So there is no way for a BEng 3 yr duration course to register with BEM or IEM??? If I were to do an MSc will I be able to be a member?
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Nov 23 2010, 03:34 PM
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So there is no way for a BEng 3 yr duration course to register with BEM or IEM??? If I were to do an MSc will I be able to be a member?
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Nov 23 2010, 08:22 PM
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QUOTE(bernardryan @ Oct 25 2010, 01:08 PM) For you to take the Professional Assessment Examination (PAE), you have to be registered with BEM for 3 years. IEM is just a society of engineers. BEM is the regulatory board. There are 2 ways to obtain your PE (Ir.). 1) Mentoring system, this way you have to become a graduate member with IEM and request them to assign you a mentor. For the next 3 years, quarterly, you will have to meet up with your Mentor and discuss what you've learnt over the past 3 months. And also fill up your log book. Very very tedious system but sure way for you to learn throughout your 3 years. 2) Submitting a design report - After 3 years of experience (usually 5 years would be a good time to apply), you will have to fill in the necessary forms and write 2 reports. 1 report would be the Experience report of what you've done throughout your working life, sort of like a resume. The other report is the design report which during your working career, you choose a project that you were involved in and write about that. So it can be anything from designing a pump system for mechanical engineers, designing a water treatment plant for chemical engineers, etc. Then you submit both your reports to your Interviewer and then you will go for the interview where you will be questioned on the design report just to make sure that you didn't copy it. Depending on the interviewer, you might just fail there and then if you don't know basic stuff. After the interviewer is satisfied, you will be required to write 2 essays. 1 with regards to your design report and 1 from the Code of Ethics. Let me know if you need help. I hope I didn't confuse anyone further. For me, I never was an IEM member until i sat for my PAE. So I actually applied to become a Corporate Member instead of the normal process of converting your Graduate membership to a corporate membership. I didn't see the need to waste my money for 3 years when my company would pay for me if i wanted to go for trainings hosted by IEM. QUOTE(sungami @ Jun 21 2009, 01:17 AM) There are two ways to become a professional engineer in Malaysia: Thanks a lot for the infomation.a) Through BEM ===> By sitting for their PAE (Professional Assessment Examination) - In order to be able to sit for their PAE you MUST have a minimum of 3 years of working experience. - Your 3 years of working experience ONLY STARTS counting after you have registered with the BEM. - Eg. In the year 2009 you have been effectively working for 10 years but you have registered with the BEM only in 2008. That means you only have 1 year of working experience in their clock. Therefore, all fresh graduates please register with the BEM ASAP after your graduation. It is supposed to be illegal for you to work in the capacity of an engineer without a registration with the BEM. - The second requirement before you can sit for their PAE is to complete 60 hours of BEM mandatory courses known as the PDP (Professional Development Programme). PS: My abbreviation for PDP may be wrong. - Once you have sat and passed the PAE you will gain your P.Eng and hence, entitled to use the title Ir. Eg. Ir. Dr. Jeffrey Han B.Eng(Hons), Phd (Mech), P.Eng b) Through IEM ===> By sitting for their PI (Professional Interview) - Before even talking about the PI, a fresh graduate is encouraged to register with the IEM as a graduate engineer. Once you have registered with the IEM as a graduate engineer, you are entitled to the title Engr. As simple as that. Eg. Engr. Dr. Jeffrey Han B.Eng(Hons), Phd (Mech), GM.I.E.M - Once you are a graduate member, you can then proceed on to become their corporate member which consists of the bulk of the IEM membership. Note: It is not mandatory to become a graduate member first before becoming a corporate member. - In order to become a corporate member, you have to first sit for the PI. Note: The PAE by BEM is EXACTLY the same as the PI by IEM. In fact the PAE is run by the same people that organizes the PI. - In order to be able to sit for the PI, applicants SHOULD have at least a minimum of 3 years of working experience. It will be virtually impossible to pass the PI if you have less than 3 years of working experience since you will most probably have insufficient materials to be put in your report. Note: It is not necessary to become a graduate member first before you can sit for the PI and there is no IEM clock that counts your working experience. If you have been working for 10 years, you will then have 10 years of working experience as far as IEM is concerned. - Once you have sat and passed the PI, you are entitled to use the title Engr. (Same title as the graduate engineer) Eg. Engr. Dr. Jeffrey Han B.Eng(Hons), Phd (Mech), M.I.E.M - Once you have your Engr. (M.I.E.M) you can then proceed to top up with the Ir (P.Eng) from BEM. There are two scenarios: ===> If you have not registered with the BEM, go register with them and wait three years before getting your P.Eng. You must also complete the 60 hours of BEM mandatory courses known as the PDP. ===> If you have registered with the BEM and have three years of woking experience according to their clock, you can get your P.Eng. immediately. You must also complete the 60 hours of BEM mandatory courses known as the PDP. Once scenario 1 and 2 are covered, you will have the privillege to use the titles: Eg. Ir. Dr. Jeffrey Han B.Eng(Hons), Phd (Mech), P.Eng, M.I.E.M ===> Normally people will use Ir. only if they have both the Ir. and Engr. Notes: 1) If you have to approve or/and submit layouts/designs to the approving authortity, P.Eng is mandatory. But if you are working in the manufacturing sector for instance, you can opt just for the M.I.E.M. Getting either/both the P.Eng or the M.I.E.M is a great personal satisfaction if you ask me and they look absolutely fabulous on your resume 2) Once you get your P.Eng from BEM, you will have to renew your "license" every year in order to be able to continue to use the title Ir. Before you can renew your license, you must complete 40 hours (I may be wrong) of CPD (Continuous Professional Development). 3) Feel free to add/correct my points as necessary. Got few question here, hope can get some helps : 1. I've graduated and now working with an M&E firm. However, my convo will only be held on March next year, which means i only can get my cert on next year March. So, is it possible for me to register myself with BEM without the cert ? As i heard the process will already take 3-4 months, if i waited for my cert, earliest i can get registered with BEM will be around Jun - July ,more than half years exp gone 2. I'm now working in Singapore, will my exp be recognized by BEM / IEM ? or is it possible for me to register with the Singapore bodies ? and get the Ir. in Singapore ? any suggestion ? pls help ~ p/s: my bachelor is under a Malaysia Uni , the course is recognized by BEM. Anyone can help , appreciate a lot ~ THANK YOU ~ regards, kl |
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Nov 23 2010, 08:56 PM
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Right now only IEM conducting PE interview. BEM is no longer doing this. Pls correct me if I were wrong on this. This is implemented since few years ago.
Answer to Q1: You can go ahead to register without your cert. Once immediately after received your cert, you can supplement back. Write a simple formal letter to indicate this intention during submission of your BEM application form + fee, etc. I did this in year 2004 or 2005, can't recall. Shall be same right now. Answer to Q2: Pls register with BEM & IEM first before you go register with IES. [Anyone, pls correct me if I were wrong again] Refer to here Engineering Stature Washington Accord This post has been edited by ch_teo: Nov 23 2010, 09:00 PM |
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Nov 23 2010, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE(ch_teo @ Nov 23 2010, 08:56 PM) Right now only IEM conducting PE interview. BEM is no longer doing this. Pls correct me if I were wrong on this. This is implemented since few years ago. Thank you for your help.Answer to Q1: You can go ahead to register without your cert. Once immediately after received your cert, you can supplement back. Write a simple formal letter to indicate this intention during submission of your BEM application form + fee, etc. I did this in year 2004 or 2005, can't recall. Shall be same right now. Answer to Q2: Pls register with BEM & IEM first before you go register with IES. [Anyone, pls correct me if I were wrong again] Refer to here Engineering Stature Washington Accord Problem 1 solved, i will go register with BEM as soon as i back in KL. anyone know if BEM will open on Sat , if not i will need to take leave to go back on weekdays Regarding problem 2, i heard of this "Washington Accord" before, but do not know much about it .... So, after getting the graduate engineer from BEM, i can register with Singapore bodies under this agreement ? do you mind explaining more ? thx a lot ~ |
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Nov 24 2010, 09:27 AM
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for SG to be a PE isnt so simple. 1st your uni need to b recognized by the PE board whole of msia only UM is recognized even then they only recognize the Electrical and Pure Mech only. manufacturing mech is not recognized
then u need to sit for 1st paper which is mostly your uni day's exam ques if u r elec the paper will hav fault cal, transmission systems, etc. mech ones u hav heat transfer, thermodynamics etc. after passing the 1st paper u need to sit for the 2nd paper which consist of mostly design and codes since u're working in sg i'm sure u know sg has damn many codes. after 2nd paper 3y xp with local completed projects and a report need to be done b4 u can submit and attend the PE board interview. they'll interview u on your report n work xp. Added on November 24, 2010, 9:33 amiirc BEM dun open on sat. but u can always call up n ask. and iirc u can mail them your application however, make sure its complete. anyway meaningless since u work overseas u cant attend the courses they offer to collect the points. This post has been edited by nicvoo: Nov 24 2010, 09:33 AM |
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Nov 24 2010, 01:01 PM
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I think so, you must registered with BEM first. Then only proceed to IES from what I understood from here or maybe provisional:
http://www.ies.org.sg/pageview.php?page_id=110 The best to clarify this is contact them too to check the above mentioned since you are now in Sg.: http://www.ies.org.sg/contactus.php Pls. keep us update if IES accepting your membership after your registration to BEM approved. Agreed with nicvoo, you can post them. Sat I do not think they open. This post has been edited by ch_teo: Nov 24 2010, 01:04 PM |
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Nov 24 2010, 01:40 PM
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I am not an engineer but I found this thread is very interesting. Can anyone tell me how to qualify as a Chartered Engineer (UK)? Any idea about the Institute of Engineers and Technologies (IET, UK) and Engineering Council, UK. Can anyone who only has an Advance Diploma from a local private technical college call themselves an engineer and be admitted as member of the IEM/BEM?
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Nov 24 2010, 08:23 PM
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QUOTE(nicvoo @ Nov 24 2010, 09:27 AM) for SG to be a PE isnt so simple. 1st your uni need to b recognized by the PE board whole of msia only UM is recognized even then they only recognize the Electrical and Pure Mech only. manufacturing mech is not recognized only UM being recognized ? then u need to sit for 1st paper which is mostly your uni day's exam ques if u r elec the paper will hav fault cal, transmission systems, etc. mech ones u hav heat transfer, thermodynamics etc. after passing the 1st paper u need to sit for the 2nd paper which consist of mostly design and codes since u're working in sg i'm sure u know sg has damn many codes. after 2nd paper 3y xp with local completed projects and a report need to be done b4 u can submit and attend the PE board interview. they'll interview u on your report n work xp. Added on November 24, 2010, 9:33 amiirc BEM dun open on sat. but u can always call up n ask. and iirc u can mail them your application however, make sure its complete. anyway meaningless since u work overseas u cant attend the courses they offer to collect the points. i'm sure u know sg has damn many codes. yeah , damn lot code . cop n then the ss anyway meaningless since u work overseas u cant attend the courses they offer to collect the points. the only solution i can think of is , live in Johor . But the problem is , dun know will there be any courses offered in Johor , or will clash with my working hour . Just hope the course will be on weekend.... QUOTE(ch_teo @ Nov 24 2010, 01:01 PM) I think so, you must registered with BEM first. Then only proceed to IES from what I understood from here or maybe provisional: yeah, is the "Washington Accord" i'm counting on right now . dun worry , will keep u guys updated ~ gone do my BEM registration 1st ....http://www.ies.org.sg/pageview.php?page_id=110 The best to clarify this is contact them too to check the above mentioned since you are now in Sg.: http://www.ies.org.sg/contactus.php Pls. keep us update if IES accepting your membership after your registration to BEM approved. Agreed with nicvoo, you can post them. Sat I do not think they open. QUOTE(Selecao @ Nov 24 2010, 01:40 PM) I am not an engineer but I found this thread is very interesting. Can anyone tell me how to qualify as a Chartered Engineer (UK)? Any idea about the Institute of Engineers and Technologies (IET, UK) and Engineering Council, UK. Can anyone who only has an Advance Diploma from a local private technical college call themselves an engineer and be admitted as member of the IEM/BEM? heard that can take external paper from BEM, success then can register with them , but not much details, as this info i got long time ago from my lecturer. |
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Nov 24 2010, 09:01 PM
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QUOTE(kl87 @ Nov 24 2010, 08:23 PM) only UM being recognized ? yup CP 1-100 also go SS dunno wat to wat fire code summore got 6volumes iirc. i'm sure u know sg has damn many codes. yeah , damn lot code . cop n then the ss anyway meaningless since u work overseas u cant attend the courses they offer to collect the points. the only solution i can think of is , live in Johor . But the problem is , dun know will there be any courses offered in Johor , or will clash with my working hour . Just hope the course will be on weekend.... yeah, is the "Washington Accord" i'm counting on right now . dun worry , will keep u guys updated ~ gone do my BEM registration 1st .... heard that can take external paper from BEM, success then can register with them , but not much details, as this info i got long time ago from my lecturer. great cont dreaming it'll b on weekends didnt u know msia is 5 working days only? lol even in sg the courses/seminars for PEs r on weekdays btw u get IR in msia can only practice in msia u get PE in sg only can practice in sg not sure about chartered. chartered eng only recognised in hk,aussie uk i hear anywya y wanna get an IR or PE? nowadays its damn worthless not to mention the amount of responsibility especially in SG |
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Nov 25 2010, 08:24 AM
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QUOTE(nicvoo @ Nov 24 2010, 09:01 PM) yup CP 1-100 also go SS dunno wat to wat fire code summore got 6volumes iirc. hahaha, then may i know, if those courses/seminars will be held on night ? if not , even if i stay in johor, it is impossible for me to join great cont dreaming it'll b on weekends didnt u know msia is 5 working days only? lol even in sg the courses/seminars for PEs r on weekdays btw u get IR in msia can only practice in msia u get PE in sg only can practice in sg not sure about chartered. chartered eng only recognised in hk,aussie uk i hear anywya y wanna get an IR or PE? nowadays its damn worthless not to mention the amount of responsibility especially in SG i will only work in singapore for few years, after that sure going back to My, as my family and frens stil there. so getting a Ir in malaysia still relevant for me. especially no more x2.4 salary, to get a high salary in My , the only thing i can count on is the Ir tittle while getting Ir in sg, it seems like a "mission impossible" for me, after wat u said.... |
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Nov 25 2010, 09:41 AM
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QUOTE(kl87 @ Nov 25 2010, 08:24 AM) hahaha, then may i know, if those courses/seminars will be held on night ? if not , even if i stay in johor, it is impossible for me to join u sure wif a PE u can get high pay?i will only work in singapore for few years, after that sure going back to My, as my family and frens stil there. so getting a Ir in malaysia still relevant for me. especially no more x2.4 salary, to get a high salary in My , the only thing i can count on is the Ir tittle while getting Ir in sg, it seems like a "mission impossible" for me, after wat u said.... simply jus sign any bloody drawings tat comes in your way? well no wonder the industry in getting from bad to worst with the mindset of yours wanna get high pay u join wrong industry already Added on November 25, 2010, 9:42 amnot really mission impossible to get PE in sg u can take a masters course in nus or ntu then u can qualify to sit for the exams This post has been edited by nicvoo: Nov 25 2010, 09:42 AM |
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Nov 25 2010, 10:30 AM
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I am in civil path and has not registered with BEM due to my cert not being recognized by BEM. Other options is to pursue Master or sit for their BEM/IEM Part II and Part III exam, at which I believe very tough.
Plus, many has said that if one is pursuing a highly paid job, civil is the wrong industry. One who stays are one with passion. I believe I am in the wrong industry. Getting that professional title really doubles up the pay, mostly, but to get one, have to go long way. |
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Nov 25 2010, 11:12 AM
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QUOTE(nicvoo @ Nov 25 2010, 09:41 AM) u sure wif a PE u can get high pay? i knw wat u tries to say. just that become a PE will have more advantages , not to mention about the sign drawng things, but at least more option , like become a RE, working with contractor as consultant , or even open own M&E firm. simply jus sign any bloody drawings tat comes in your way? well no wonder the industry in getting from bad to worst with the mindset of yours wanna get high pay u join wrong industry already Added on November 25, 2010, 9:42 amnot really mission impossible to get PE in sg u can take a masters course in nus or ntu then u can qualify to sit for the exams This post has been edited by kl87: Nov 25 2010, 11:13 AM |
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Nov 25 2010, 11:27 AM
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QUOTE(kl87 @ Nov 25 2010, 11:12 AM) i knw wat u tries to say. just that become a PE will have more advantages , not to mention about the sign drawng things, but at least more option , like become a RE, working with contractor as consultant , or even open own M&E firm. nah..dun blame u u haven been in the industry long enuf RE dun need a PE unless u r civil + not many projects hav M&E RE work wif contractor as consultant no pe also can enuf xp can already y the contractor wan a PE on their side? wan u sign drawing only ma wan u to design meh their design many times more practicel n better then yours. open own firm?jus c the amount of competition 1stly, 2ndly your network in msia u dunno a few dato YB tan sri jus bcos u r PE u think can get job? lol if u hav connections u dun need a PE already u can hire a PE to get him to sign u only go find jobs. in SG how can u compete with the big companies? BECA, PB, TYLIN, Meinahrdt, Aecom unless u say u can offer wat they r doin at half their price else jus do small small jobs in msia dun say every bugger is a PE every bugger is opening their own firm producing crappy drawings to me if u wanna b a PE for the pay is a very stupid reason |
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Nov 25 2010, 01:11 PM
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IEM Southern Branch, you may try to put your address at JB, then any updates/seminars, they will notify you.
http://www.iemsb.org.my/ nicvoo has mentioned lot of things happening at site from RE's point. Lot of RE handles C&S + M&E, depends on project scale. Sometimes, C&S RE with Ir. at site will hand-sketch modify the drawings from HQ consultant & implement at site. He will sign the modify drawings & feedback to HQ (the designer) due to impracticable design. That is one of the many reasons I left consultant after 3 years plus in M&E (2.5 years design experience at M side from high rise building to infra [prepare tender doc, plumbing, sanitary, lift + escalator, natural gas, ACMV, fire protection, T&C, SAT], 7 months plus full time based at site as inspector) & join oil & gas. Just for your info, my knowledge is slightly better than a Ir. when i joined a consultant company last time. Even 1 of my seniors without Ir. far far better than a Ir. Not boosting, it is a realization when discussing design & actual practicability come to site implementation & construction stages, tender document...there are lot of things happening at site, it is not like design in office. The value of Ir. for me is??? Unless you join back consultant firm. Singapore with Er. is very lucrative if as part time & as 3rd party inspector/certificator but the "heavy responsibilities" are there in case unlucky events happened, touch wood... This post has been edited by ch_teo: Nov 25 2010, 01:22 PM |
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Nov 25 2010, 01:36 PM
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QUOTE(nicvoo @ Nov 25 2010, 11:27 AM) nah..dun blame u yes, u r right , i have too little exp in this field, maybe work for few years then i can know the reality ....haiz u haven been in the industry long enuf RE dun need a PE unless u r civil + not many projects hav M&E RE work wif contractor as consultant no pe also can enuf xp can already y the contractor wan a PE on their side? wan u sign drawing only ma wan u to design meh their design many times more practicel n better then yours. open own firm?jus c the amount of competition 1stly, 2ndly your network in msia u dunno a few dato YB tan sri jus bcos u r PE u think can get job? lol if u hav connections u dun need a PE already u can hire a PE to get him to sign u only go find jobs. in SG how can u compete with the big companies? BECA, PB, TYLIN, Meinahrdt, Aecom unless u say u can offer wat they r doin at half their price else jus do small small jobs in msia dun say every bugger is a PE every bugger is opening their own firm producing crappy drawings to me if u wanna b a PE for the pay is a very stupid reason p/s: just few weeks in work , dun be too harsh on me la QUOTE(ch_teo @ Nov 25 2010, 01:11 PM) IEM Southern Branch, you may try to put your address at JB, then any updates/seminars, they will notify you. advice and helps noticed. thx a lot ~http://www.iemsb.org.my/ nicvoo has mentioned lot of things happening at site from RE's point. Lot of RE handles C&S + M&E, depends on project scale. Sometimes, C&S RE with Ir. at site will hand-sketch modify the drawings from HQ consultant & implement at site. He will sign the modify drawings & feedback to HQ (the designer) due to impracticable design. That is one of the many reasons I left consultant after 3 years plus in M&E (2.5 years design experience at M side from high rise building to infra [prepare tender doc, plumbing, sanitary, lift + escalator, natural gas, ACMV, fire protection, T&C, SAT], 7 months plus full time based at site as inspector) & join oil & gas. Just for your info, my knowledge is slightly better than a Ir. when i joined a consultant company last time. Even 1 of my seniors without Ir. far far better than a Ir. Not boosting, it is a realization when discussing design & actual practicability come to site implementation & construction stages, tender document...there are lot of things happening at site, it is not like design in office. The value of Ir. for me is??? Unless you join back consultant firm. Singapore with Er. is very lucrative if as part time & as 3rd party inspector/certificator but the "heavy responsibilities" are there in case unlucky events happened, touch wood... |
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Nov 25 2010, 01:39 PM
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QUOTE(afosz @ Nov 25 2010, 10:30 AM) I am in civil path and has not registered with BEM due to my cert not being recognized by BEM. Other options is to pursue Master or sit for their BEM/IEM Part II and Part III exam, at which I believe very tough. U are right dude...no future of being 'high pay' become civil engineer in malaysia..become kuli...the only path is to become contractor & sogok here & there & become rich..Plus, many has said that if one is pursuing a highly paid job, civil is the wrong industry. One who stays are one with passion. I believe I am in the wrong industry. Getting that professional title really doubles up the pay, mostly, but to get one, have to go long way. |
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Nov 25 2010, 01:50 PM
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QUOTE(feekle @ Nov 25 2010, 01:39 PM) U are right dude...no future of being 'high pay' become civil engineer in malaysia..become kuli...the only path is to become contractor & sogok here & there & become rich.. That's the 'side income' or 'undertable envelope' but let's not get too detail about it, shall we ? Although we all know that is the reality.Ir title is required, especially in civil. You get the respect, and the pay. To earn one is not as easy as it sounds like. Most people I know with Ir are from civil. Once I met an Ir but he's from electrical, I thought "What, electrical can get Ir too ?" and that is the first time I know Ir for engineers for all fields, not particularly on civil, but for civil, it is something like a must get title. |
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QUOTE(ch_teo @ Nov 25 2010, 01:11 PM) IEM Southern Branch, you may try to put your address at JB, then any updates/seminars, they will notify you. yes many experienced ppl b better then IRs or ERs y they dont take the IR title? simple they dont wan to wake up 1 morning n get sued. http://www.iemsb.org.my/ nicvoo has mentioned lot of things happening at site from RE's point. Lot of RE handles C&S + M&E, depends on project scale. Sometimes, C&S RE with Ir. at site will hand-sketch modify the drawings from HQ consultant & implement at site. He will sign the modify drawings & feedback to HQ (the designer) due to impracticable design. That is one of the many reasons I left consultant after 3 years plus in M&E (2.5 years design experience at M side from high rise building to infra [prepare tender doc, plumbing, sanitary, lift + escalator, natural gas, ACMV, fire protection, T&C, SAT], 7 months plus full time based at site as inspector) & join oil & gas. Just for your info, my knowledge is slightly better than a Ir. when i joined a consultant company last time. Even 1 of my seniors without Ir. far far better than a Ir. Not boosting, it is a realization when discussing design & actual practicability come to site implementation & construction stages, tender document...there are lot of things happening at site, it is not like design in office. The value of Ir. for me is??? Unless you join back consultant firm. Singapore with Er. is very lucrative if as part time & as 3rd party inspector/certificator but the "heavy responsibilities" are there in case unlucky events happened, touch wood... QUOTE(kl87 @ Nov 25 2010, 01:36 PM) yes, u r right , i have too little exp in this field, maybe work for few years then i can know the reality ....haiz well tats y i say i dont blame u i've seen many who r like u amongst my colleagues and friend they think getting an IR title means they will b highly paid n can goyang kaki. the truth is totally opposite. worst still in sg where if u get an IR n dont wanna sign cos dont wanna take the responsibility the authorities will revoke your title. especially for FIRE designs p/s: just few weeks in work , dun be too harsh on me la advice and helps noticed. thx a lot ~ QUOTE(feekle @ Nov 25 2010, 01:39 PM) U are right dude...no future of being 'high pay' become civil engineer in malaysia..become kuli...the only path is to become contractor & sogok here & there & become rich.. yes tats the truth but you always have the choice to take or not to QUOTE(afosz @ Nov 25 2010, 01:50 PM) That's the 'side income' or 'undertable envelope' but let's not get too detail about it, shall we ? Although we all know that is the reality. only in the construction industry Irs are required. Mech Elec n CivilIr title is required, especially in civil. You get the respect, and the pay. To earn one is not as easy as it sounds like. Most people I know with Ir are from civil. Once I met an Ir but he's from electrical, I thought "What, electrical can get Ir too ?" and that is the first time I know Ir for engineers for all fields, not particularly on civil, but for civil, it is something like a must get title. the a Qualified person is required to endorse the design. u dont wan a switch board to blow up in your face do u?or getting a black out everytime thers a storm or during fire the spinkler system n exhaust dont work or a building to crack n collapse when u r in it right? |
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QUOTE(nicvoo @ Nov 25 2010, 07:05 PM) yes many experienced ppl b better then IRs or ERs y they dont take the IR title? simple they dont wan to wake up 1 morning n get sued. tell you the truth , after think deep , i oso scare to take the responsibility of being a PE .... looks like registering with BEM become worthless .... plus nid to go to the seminar n courses + yearly renewal fees. well tats y i say i dont blame u i've seen many who r like u amongst my colleagues and friend they think getting an IR title means they will b highly paid n can goyang kaki. the truth is totally opposite. worst still in sg where if u get an IR n dont wanna sign cos dont wanna take the responsibility the authorities will revoke your title. especially for FIRE designs yes tats the truth but you always have the choice to take or not to only in the construction industry Irs are required. Mech Elec n Civil the a Qualified person is required to endorse the design. u dont wan a switch board to blow up in your face do u?or getting a black out everytime thers a storm or during fire the spinkler system n exhaust dont work or a building to crack n collapse when u r in it right? |
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