any comment on UTAR sg long?do the study environment like very much similiar with KTAR?

not really, sg long dun have much place, too many student, too little space

i'm a student of UTAR & i just completed my Foundation programme.

about the lecturer, i dont think it's true for somebody said that the lecturers of foundation is the degree year 3 student.
as i know , all the lecturers for foundation are at least a DEGREE holder and most of them are pursuing their master programme part timely.

most of the lecturers can't speak english fluenty??
I think this is not right.Most of the lecturers there can speak english fluently, though some may have their own accent. But don't you think it is more important for a lecturer to make the student understand what they wan to teach easily by using a simple words/sentences instead of using a long long & hard to understand sentences?

I've come across few lecturers who can speak english so fluently. For me, it is more difficult to understand as they used lots of freakin tough words which i could not understand. But, some lecturers are just nice & can speak english smoothly & they use simple words to make student understand of what they're teaching, isn't this is better?? =)

no cocuriculum??
actually, it's depends on you whether to join the cocuriculum or nt cause the degree student / the committee of the clubs will still running different activities for their members. You cant said that there're no any cocuriculum activity at all. For me, i think the main problem is UTAR has separated its department. So for foundation student, they might not know what activities is running by the degree student as both foundation & degree students are placed in different blocks. So, you might need to go to degree's block to check out for the latest news of activities.

about the fees, as i know, most of the private uni/coll out there has increased their fees year by year.It's not only UTAR do that, but most of the private uni/coll do the same thing as well. But still, UTAR's foundation fees is cheaper among other private uni/coll.

about the swimming pool, it is very common for a uni not to have a swimming pool, only those uni/coll that are rich are having this kind of facilities for students. If you want a swimming pool in uni, then you should choose the uni that provides you a swimming pool.

UTAR is also having a campus in kampar. The rent there is much cheaper compared to pj. My friends rent a double-storey house and it costs only rm 400++ for the whole house, compare to pj, you can only rent a ROOM with the same price, isn't this is cheaper??

kampar rent is cheep? my cousin say he pay thru his nose 4 rental?

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Added on May 27, 2008, 11:56 pmi agree. But the lecturer assistant is year 3 student
STRONGLY DISAGREE. Pronouncing age as ah-ge -_-lll its not their slang or what, they have problem in speaking good english, seriouslly. Maybe science lecturer don't, but art lecturer, YES. Specially mathematic lecturers.

How can u consider this right?

"when you out go work with outsiders, the TAUKE wun want good treatment you" -_-lll this is not slang, this is direct translation

and my foundation lecturer say : "allow me to continue in mandrine / cantonese, those non chinese, later u ask me again la"



DSA does not include foundation students as post graduate. So foundation are not included in the list when it comes to activities. heck, u dun even get a cert after u complete a club sentence, what more include u?

Agree, but the increase is shocking! 3K to 7K
but i pay rm600+ for facilities, dun u think they shd give us something?????



This post has been edited by kanzakicyn: Jun 1 2008, 09:35 PM

as the matter of fact, there are less students in FAM now. in previous sem, i had to park at Secret Recipe there coz the RM1 parking area would be full by 11am, today i went there at same time, there were ample of parking spaces available. not to mention there are less people "queuing" for elevators too i guess it's due to the fact that there are at least few hundreds of our seniors have graduated and left the campus, and only some of the new students enrolled in sg long campus as most of them have been relocated to Kampar

and back to ahgirl, the campus is small compared to KTAR as it is just a building without any facility available. i presume u just finished your diploma study and deciding whether u wanna further ur study in advanced diploma level or in degree level. i can say that some of the KTAR students who transferred to UTAR can't get used to the environment and the teaching styles of the lecturers, then they shifted back to KTAR for advanced diploma. however, i would certainly recommend that students to try to give time to adapt themselves into the new environment. many of the UTAR lecturers are good and there are students who do well thanks to those dedicated lecturers. and i have read in this forum that, those who hold a degree would get higher salary in some companies compared to those who hold an advanced diploma.

I'm sure if you rent rent a double-storey house with 4 rooms[1 master bedroom,1medium room & 2 single room ], you won't stay alone in the whole house without sharing. Those house can placed at least 4 people and you may share with your housemates to buy all those essential things. I'm sure this is much cheaper. & what facilities do you expect from such cheap price of rental?! i dont think you should ask for more.

ohya,where are you living currently?
If you're in pj, i guess you know the living cost here in pj......
I was living in a so-called condo in pj and the rent for the master bedroom is rm220 per head! and guess what, there were 4 persons staying in a master bedroom. It means the rent for the master bedroom is rm800++. This is really freakin' expensive.

Kampar rent is definitely cheaper than KL. Even people might be taking advantage of students staying there, the house rent is still cheaper there. My grandfather owns several properties there and he is now renting two houses to some UTAR students at RM 500 per month only.

Facilities. We, the older student cant expect much. Since we are not in the new campus, what facilities you think they will give us? Computers in computer lab? Books in library? Online Journal system? So, those who are in Kampar, I must say, LUCKY YOU !

Those house in Kampar are relatively big. The house rented out by my grandfather was actually shared by 7 students (Double storey with 4 rooms, 3 toilets). At a price of RM 500 per month, at average one student actually paid less than RM 80.

About the lecturer thingy..
Yes, maybe there are a minority of them who can't speak a sentence well.. and also a minority who do not how to teach well..
But, a majority of them do speak very good english and know how to teach very well!

I'm in semester two now, and i have to say that i am very very satisfied with my new lecturers, although some of them may be quite boring sometimes, but as long as you pay attention in their class, you will have no problem understanding what they are trying to say.. If you do not understand their lessons, you can always take the initiative to ask them.. I mean, i asked questions, and you know what? I got detailed and concise explanations from those lecturers, and i am very happy with that!

Also, if you are really not satisfied with certain lecturers' way of teaching, you can always make complaints..
For example, in my first sem, most of us were very unhappy with our physics lecturer, cause we were having a very hard time understanding her lectures and she wasn't very dedicated in teaching us, so some of us made a complaint to Mr.Wesley, the head of department of foundation studies, and VOILA! we got a new physics lecturer this semester, and if i am not mistaken, actions have been taken too..





This post has been edited by CaptWong: May 29 2008, 02:49 AM

Long time nvr show up here. Juz to increase some info.
You cant direct compare the cost living in Kampar direct to KL area, it is not proportional. A living cost for Kampar shouldn't go so far, only mean the hostel.
I saw every year, student paying extra charges for the following :
Activity and Recreation rm100
Resource Centre RM200
Development RM300
Insurance RM9

Insurance, i agree wif it since nowadays utar don't have time to take care the safety of student around PJ or Setapak, so buy you an insurance, anything happen, still got money for your parents. (Still, Utar think for the student benefit, good thing)

I have asked the office for the reason of others fee. By their explanation is like below:
Activity and Recreation : the 2 ping pong table in PD block, sharing swimming pool facilities wif KTAR, PC block sports area and some others activity held by UTAR around campus area (Does utar held any activity?)

Resource centre : You are using the computer lab and library from our school. wble also need money to operate it as well.

Development : Painting over UTAR, renovation on utar. Lift maintainance, toilet repair, air-cond service. computer lab.

So, Juz my 2cent. are you going to pay rm600 for those unreliable computers in lab? Does UTAR really make any renovation in PJ area?

After that, office direct me to phone over finance department as they can provide better explanation. We cant argue on this fees, since many people and UTAR will be telling you, if you don't want pay, then don't study here lar. So, my aim only explaining some of the weird cases in utar. Not to boycott.

One of utar lecturer (myfren), telling me that, he/she(private confidential) not really know about the resouce and activity fees. but the development fee is a donation for Kampar campus.

A organisation have thousand and millions of excuses to gaining more money. Ya, you does nid to pay for your study. But is it equivalent to what you get?

Don't aim your cannon on me, all utar defenders. I juz want to add some info. It's kinda heart pain to see all people shooting TS in TS's own forum...Haha.

For AS student, juz my 2cent again, there is two round of student kicking in around Y1S2 and Y2S2. If you check back the student record, many student accepted into actuarial science (AS) this course without really taking into consideration about the ability of the student. UTar does a good job by providing everyone to study AS since UKM and UM setting a 4.0CGPA for STPM student to join( with limited seats around 40 in UKM,UM juz open AS course last year, so i'm not sure).
What i want to mention is, in Y1S2 and Y2S2, there is alot of student around 30% change course since they unable to continue AS study (you can check the record or ask AS student to tell you truth). Why doesn't UTAR set a tighter rule to let studnet join AS, but they only accept all student although the student don;t have the qualification for AS? Reason: You will be ending change course in utar and paying more to utar. Especialy foundation student, bcoz foundation cert not really gets recognition from other UNI. Imposible for you to change to other UNI and start wif foundation again. You will mostly stay in UTAR in other subject.
Note: The case i just mention only apply to AS. Other courses don't have such a high rate in changing course.

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Added on May 29, 2008, 8:13 am@reyzai
Haha. Ya, you get it right. i'm enjoy dota as well. Sad case is Milinium Court now have bcome Mahsa College (MC change to MC) and does not accept any utar student anymore.
Not only PC many pretty. I think your utar FAM faculty also have 65% of girls population.
Next, I been working already, so i open up this thread juz to wish can telling utarian some truth that nvr shown up.

UTAR still will be choice(only one) for many people, the fees low compare others. Juz the "low" is not suppose the "low" we should get. Haha, i get confused by my "low" as well.

This post has been edited by mphpopular: May 29 2008, 08:21 AM

Ahh, don't worry bout those canons pointing at you, coz that magnitude of shootings can be regarded as handgun level only XD, haha, just kidding..

I don't know much about the fees, as i am not being charged by UTAR on those fees ( development, bla bla bla ), but if you ask me about PJ campus, i can clearly see that many things have improved in UTAR PJ campus PA block

The airconds are fixed in every room, now some are complaining that it's too cold, lol..
The damaged lights have been replaced.
All PA system in all lecture rooms are working fine now..
More PC in the Multimedia Lab are now usable..

However, i don't see any renovations in PJ campus, but i think it makes sense right? If there are renovations in PJ campus, then i think that's a serious waste of money, as we are moving to kampar campus soon, so it makes sense that those development fees are "donated" to kampar campus..

Just my two cents, and i'm not shooting

This post has been edited by CaptWong: May 29 2008, 05:20 PM

Yes, most probably part of the developmental fee will goes to Kampar but other than that, they do need the money to service the facilities available. Maintenance of the Intranet service, air conditioning system, servicing the lift and other stuff spoiled by the good UTARians. All these needs money. Heck, some students dont even realize that when they spoiled the properties of UTAR, they will pay for the repair fees. Thus, the RM 600 you paid, is not only for the computer labs. But I do agree that, these fees could be a burden for some poorer students. Heck, those with no PTPTN will suffer a lot.

And remember, you only pay around 30-40k for your degree. Dont tell me shit as what you pay is not what you expect to get. You wan something good ? Pay 100k and study in Monash. That place is good i tell you. But the difference, is almost 60k.

Not much comment on AS as I dont do AS. But, I have friends doing AS in London, fully sponsored by Bank Negara. I only know that AS are tough subjects. Yes, UTAR should set a tighter entry requirements for AS. But for a new course, what you can expect? Most probably the paper they sitting now are still under experimental stage. For your information, my friends used his foundation result to get a place in MMU. And I have friends who did their MUFY and joined UTAR later on. But for some other case, its normal for other Unis not accepting foundation result from a different uni.

Plz change the mindset that the "low" fees caused a lot people to joined UTAR. There are plenty of low fees uni outside. UNITEN, UNITAR, Wawasan Uni, Open Uni and etc etc are some affordable uni. Even HELP is relatively cheap and if you can get full loan to finance your study there.

Remember, your "low fees" had been subsidized by MCA, the Malaysian Community and plenty of NGOs. If not because of the subsidization, UTAR might be charging around 60-70k per degree. Not only you did not appreciate the help from these people, but you are saying the fees are expensive. Ask them to remove the subsidization and used it to develop the campus and improve the facilities. I bet you can get first class infrastucture and facilities then. But you will end up paying higher fees than now and I bet you will be complaining even more then!

I guess that's because u r suspended for spamming in Educational Essential?
Anyway, just my guess.

Erm... do u mean, universities that buy insurance for their students are universities that don't have time to take care of their students' safety?
Sorry if I misinterpret ur meaning.

No comment on this, since I'm not from PJ campus.

No comment also for the rest, I don't know much on AS.

We are not shooting each other, we are just discussing the topic mah, peace in LYN~ lol~

If I am not mistaken, there is around 1000 students graduating and only 100+ new students came in.

Basically now Sg Long campus only help very limited course and most of the FAM course shifted to Kampar. Eventually they will move entirely out from Sg Long but there is no confirmation date. Too much rumors about when UTAR going out and whos coming flying around, you will never know which is true.

When UTAR finally decided to move to Sg Long(at 2004), they made the official announcement in less then 6 months before the start date. At that time, nobody heard about Sg Long.

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Added on May 30, 2008, 4:20 pmI think all kind of the fees are to coupe with the running cost of the university, remember, their new campus Kampar just started, and someone has to settle the bills behind those beautiful views and facilities. Their course fee is just so much to cover the lecturing expenses(to hire lecturer, notes, etc), how are the rest? The only way is to give an extra fees, like development fees.

One example is the IT fee(whatever they called it), this fee actually not for expanding the ICT Center, but just barely pay up their running cost. Yeah, even thou some of the PC as some of us claimed is pretty old, but to keep them running, the software within, all come with a cost. And not to mention consumables like ribbons.

Just view it as part of the school fees, or something for you to pay in order to utilize UTAR facilities.

When I choose MMU, I as well look at the "low school fees" plus point as well coz it is really low compare to studying oversea. It depends on how you see things, and note that "low school fees" also still need to pay something.

Rather then being low cost as the main point of choosing UTAR, you should look at some other fact, I think that one of the main selling point of UTAR is that it is a local university and they recognize UEC aka chinese independence school exam - something that even MMU do not offer easily nowadays(MMU do accept some UEC students, but their requirement is very high)

In the old days, chinese independence school students will have no choice but their parents has to sell house and land to pay them to study oversea.



This post has been edited by rexis: May 30 2008, 04:20 PM

oh dear, who is that poor physics lecturer? Miss J? Miss Y?

Miss JLPF , hope you understand

P/s : maths form 6 books??

oh JLPF, yes i understand where you come from there. That teacher lets us out early as much as 2 hours during physics practical.

Oops form 6 books i tot i sent u a pm regarding that, its the same as sun rae's book. You can get from her if you want. Might not be selling til i get another text book for now.

Hi all,
wanted to enquire about exams
in the matter of unsatisfactory towards the results released,

if i appeal for a remark for a certain subject, would it be the examiner remark the whole paper again or just RE-calculate the marks?
anyone hav an experience of remarking a paper and got their grades changed to better ones?

about re-sitting a paper, what is condition for a candidate to resit a paper, only if he/she failed that paper? or a D and below or regardless of grades a candidate can still re-sit for a paper

if i were to re-sit, are the previous grade i got included together with the new result of the paper i've resit(ed) in the CGPA? or only the new result is counted?

what are the conditions/cause to repeat a subject and would the grading be the same as above for re-sit?


thx in advance for answering my questions.

Remark/appeal = The Dean will personally mark your paper. No point just to recalculate the marks as their maths is not that suck.

Resit = u can resit the paper even u get a B. It is not for those who failed or get D only. I have friends who resit just to try and improve their cgpa.

okay............ if thats the case then those who like AS but didnt do well in former exams shd be killed and never given a chance?

Like me and my other frens, i hate maths, i dunno what is AS, honestly, when my ucl ask me to take actuary, i tot it was something to do with marine. I kinda linked actuaries with aquamarine -_-ll yes i am stupid

then i did just okay in my foundations and got into AS, i found that this is not impossible, but hard. In fact, they let us take a chance and try, see if we can actually make it thru this course. Many who have not tried will regret after they take their other course. It is a place where ppl learn and find wht they actually like, tho its a bit late.

many cant even diffrenciate mathematic course, applied maths with computing, statistical studies and actuarial science. In fast, what we learn are of no difference, but what happen later is what differentciate us.

Since there are ppl who cant make up their mind, then let them try, they want to feel contented. Curiousity kills the cat.

Another thing is, this AS course with lenient requirement, give us chance to prove to ppl we can do it. Come on!!! Actuarial science is about maths, finance and management. How the heck are you going to test if a person is good in this field fully just by foundation, stpm and spm? There is only 3 mathematic subject in foundation, n 2 in spm (if ur in sub science or science). I dunno bout stpm, sorry. So....... what is i ACED my maths, FLUNKED my physics, FLUNKED my sejarah and so on? so my result will be bad, but i can be the world best actuary???

btw. 4.0 does not mean ur good, it means ur well rounded. Many, and i mean MANY ppl whom scored 4.0 in foundation are transfering course when they reach degree. IT is because they failed badly after the first 2 sem/year or they cant take the pressure and transfered course (p/s: my fren transferred with 3.9 cgpa in DEGREE 1st yr cuz dun like AS, she is 24 this year, she wanted to be in AS since young. Saved up money to join and left with dignity that at least she tried)

of course many things may say that utar is cheeting off us, but then again, if not because of utar, where will we be?

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Added on June 1, 2008, 9:36 pm i was talking bout RM600 facilities fee I paid to UTAR. Not rental..........

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Added on June 1, 2008, 9:40 pmur lucky u have mr wesley, when we have mr pek ,things turned out good too. But when u have no one who can help u, ur dead. They dun care if u have a bad lecturer, we complained but they give us all the conditiona dn terms we must do in order to APPEAL to change lecturer. I know, ur in foundation in science, mr wesley is very efficient.

I am from foundation in arts, the lecturer are really really bad. Try this. On first week, 200 ppl entered the lecture hall, 2nd week, 50 entered the lecture hall, 3rd week, only 10 left... and they slept in the class and help other student to sign attendance.

not student fault, cuz not everyone will be probamatic student.

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Added on June 1, 2008, 9:47 pmthe ping pong table? the very chan ping pong table??? ........

What does KTAR have to do with us PD block?????

hold on, activities in utar are being paid by student? damn! 2mrw i will go up to finance department AND dsa to make them clear this us. EVERY SINGLE ACTIVITIES are NOT subsidised by utar, the committee have to use their OWN money and HUNT FOR SPONSORSHIP! DSA made MANY MANY project crumble due to insufficient fund. Even after months and months or preparation. And now thay say we are paying for DSA?! hell no.....i am gonna call bank and cancle my cheque 2mrw and i am NOT paying those DSA b**tards and their lies

library n computer lab : okay........... acceptable.....

development : they have made pd block room smaller and there is not enough place 2 study since they move most of the tables and chairs to kampar.......

toilet repair : acceptable

air con service : fine............tho always rosak....

painting : since when?

This post has been edited by kanzakicyn: Jun 1 2008, 09:48 PM

No matter you choose to pay or not, You only have the choice to pay it. UTAR finance department will have one conclusion for you, If you don't want to pay, Juz don't become UTARIAN. That is such simple for them. Hehe. Work harder for your future to all of people here. Good lucks.