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Andy214
post Apr 11 2008, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(icypetals @ Apr 11 2008, 10:42 AM)
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why everytime got piano thread u advertise ur bussniss doh.gif  doh.gif

anyway, WElcome to the cword Andy214!
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Wa lao, what my business. I'm also a student only. I was just recommending to people, sharing what we have. Aisheh man, so charm, sharing things but kena say as advertise pulak. doh.gif doh.gif
Plus, I'm impressed that the founder created this formula/course and he's a Malaysian, now recognized in UK Music School. They also have a very good ex-guitarist and now Jerry Felix the drummer in their team.

I never even ask anyone to promote my name to the centre which I could get discount if I invite people. rclxub.gif
Sharing things become being advertising.... never even I get any benefit from it... rclxub.gif

Anyway, I just hope many people would have more fun learning music... icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 11 2008, 01:01 PM

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yamaha courses are pretty good on play by ears. they don't advertise as such but they do train your ears as part of their courses. they're especially useful if you train since small kid. smile.gif

andy would you roughly describe what kind of stuffs Play By Ears will teach?
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QUOTE(little ice @ Apr 11 2008, 01:01 PM)
yamaha courses are pretty good on play by ears. they don't advertise as such but they do train your ears as part of their courses. they're especially useful if you train since small kid. smile.gif

andy would you roughly describe what kind of stuffs Play By Ears will teach?
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Well, let's be fair, all courses are good. It all falls in each persons need and views.

The "Play By Ear" course I mentioned was meant for contemporary/pop songs. For those who wish to learn classical would not be suitable but of course you can also took up both.

There're many types of modern teaching methods which are suitable for contemporary songs, this "Play By Ear" is just another, but it is founded by our own local Malaysian, and he has created many proven formula and teaching method.

Basically, this "Play By Ear" teaches you music, how to capture melody, creating chords based on melody, feeling and hearing, etc via an instrument, currently the Piano/Keyboard, and soon to be available eletric and bass guitar.
You don't learn notes, of course you can learn, but you don't rely on notes. For in depth note reading and sight reading, you'll have to pickup yourself but it isn't recommended in the course as they don't encourage you to read notes.
How they teach you is to let you listen to a song, and you learn how to create the melody and they slowly "GUIDE" you how to understand and creating chords.

The 1st level will only have 20 classes, teaching you the 3 major chord mainly, which is enough to play many songs. They also allow you to choose 1 or 2 song of your own and they'll guide you on how to go play it, create your own arrangement, styles, etc.

Level 2 is more on bassing ideas, accompaniment, etc. In level 2 you'll learn about all other chords, but it's tough for me as yuo'll start to learn a lot on the left hand bassing idea, which I believe many have trouble with the left hand. You'll also learn many different styles like Latin, Jazz, etc...

I haven't take up Level 3 yet, personally, I feel my playing isn't smooth and good enough. Because of that, I'm struggling in level 2 trying to coordinate both my left and right hands. But I can say level 2 open up a lot of possibilities and more in depth understanding, much much more than Level 1. Level 1 is more for total beginners, but you explore many different style of playing, arrangements and they let you be creative and create your own style for each song. So for each song, you'll see different style from each person, which is nice.

If you want to know more, just inquire for a preview, they don't charge you anyway. They also have a VCD explaining about their courses, etc.

Anyway, it's an interesting to find out and learn, I just want to share it out and hope more people can learn music in their own fun way. For me, I love to play contemporary songs, or should say, when I listen to a song, I feel like playing it on the piano. This course is very suitable for me.

There're also some which has dropped out from conventional piano lessons which they find no interest mainly because they wanted to play contemporary songs only but they hardly get a chance to understand and play, also some which has been confused, once took up the course for few classes, suddenly everything become so clear. So, for this, I can say, the have learnt a lot but they need someone who can help them fix the puzzle.
So maybe for those having problem after years of learning, might want have a look at it and then decide.

Anybody watch Mr. Holland Opus? It was recommended by the founder, I watch it and was very touched by it. Here's some of the quote from the movie:

"Playing music is supposed to be fun. It's about heart, it's about feelings, moving people, and something beautiful, and it's not about notes on a page. I can teach you notes on a page, I can't teach you that other stuff. "

"A teacher has two jobs; fill young minds with knowledge, yes, but more important, give those minds a compass so that that knowledge doesn't go to waste."

"If You Can't Teach a Willing Student Like Louis Russ to Bang a Drum, Then You Are a Lousy Teacher"!

The story is about a composer who needed money and became a teacher, at first he has no passion or heart to teach, but soon, he changed and become someone who has changed many lives, but given up his dream of being a composer. There's a scene where he try to help a girl having problem with her clarinet, where he finally found she's not having fun and very stressed, hence the 1st quote above.


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post Apr 11 2008, 11:21 PM

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omg...
andy...
so long lazy read...
but i saw the 'play by ear'...
this is a skill tat is very hard to manage...

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post Apr 11 2008, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(x-crusader @ Apr 11 2008, 11:21 PM)
omg...
andy...
so long lazy read...
but i saw the 'play by ear'...
this is a skill tat is very hard to manage...
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actually is kinda easy to me wo.
i just listen to a singing song(eg jaychou) bout 2 times, hum it out, already can paly the song main melody, then listen to the third time, already can play it the chord.

if piano song 1 time sapu all!
so the "play by ear" course actually not hard and not required la.

but wait........i got yamaha course and piano course since i was 3:sweat:
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post Apr 11 2008, 11:53 PM

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yup i can do that too.

actually learning from young lets you develop that 'skill' naturally.
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post Apr 12 2008, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(icypetals @ Apr 11 2008, 11:37 PM)
but wait........i got yamaha course and piano course since i was 3:sweat:
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i'm yamaha trained too. biggrin.gif

yeah i find play by ear is quite easy too. never regret i took yamaha course since i was a small kid. thumbup.gif

and thanks andy for elaborating the course. notworthy.gif

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playing by ear is kinda nice. but i'm trying to push myself even further by identifying the exact chords, the position of the chords and the exacts notes. kinda hard, but it improves ur hearing and knowledge. u guys should try it out too.
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QUOTE([vogue]angel @ Apr 12 2008, 01:19 PM)
playing by ear is kinda nice. but i'm trying to push myself even further by identifying the exact chords, the position of the chords and the exacts notes. kinda hard, but it improves ur hearing and knowledge. u guys should try it out too.
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exact chords and notes? yup, i do that!

the simples way to get the exact chord is follow this format
1) first if it is a C sounding chord, u play C G C, u dont need care whether its Minor or major.
2) next u find the root of the chord, eg C/G
3) later only u find out wheteher there is a suspension or augmented,dimmished, diatonic, etc etc blah blah

joining yamaha courses improve ur hearing,sight reading etc etc but not ur piano skill
joining piano courses improves ur playing skill

Some who join piano course can play from sheet but terrible at hearing
some who join yamaha course have good hearing but bad piano playing

a combination of both= whistling.gif
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QUOTE(icypetals @ Apr 12 2008, 01:43 PM)
a combination of both= whistling.gif
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somehow i think we're alike, i took both yamaha and AB together. laugh.gif

pity my father have to pay twice along with piano and books and time and petrol and...my father is my hero!! thumbup.gif
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post Apr 12 2008, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(little ice @ Apr 12 2008, 03:11 PM)
somehow i think we're alike, i took both yamaha and AB together. laugh.gif

pity my father have to pay twice along with piano and books and time and petrol and...my father is my hero!! thumbup.gif
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my classes schelude are all together XD 12pm-3pm ( lol, non-stop )
12-1pm= yamaha
1-2pm= theory
2-3pm= pratical

LOL...

my fees my mom see want to do, especially 2 months-3months never pay.

U count:-
yamaha fees( higher musician course) rm180
grd 8- rm150( if not wrong)
violin X2( double lesson) rm120
rm450 per month ( excluding books XD)
ahahhaa, rm450 for small town in kedah, imagine if i live in KL, my parents will be dead in debts XD
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QUOTE(icypetals @ Apr 12 2008, 04:30 PM)
rm450 per month ( excluding books XD)
ahahhaa, rm450 for small town in kedah, imagine if i live in KL, my parents will be dead in debts XD
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post Apr 13 2008, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(little ice @ Apr 12 2008, 05:57 PM)
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eh last time +electric guitar fees is rm520+++ LOL
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post Apr 13 2008, 07:49 PM

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whoa~ hmm... my most expensive time was when i was learning violin and piano dipl. piano = rm220 per month, violin beginners around rm60? haha~ xD so its rm280.
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QUOTE(icypetals @ Apr 11 2008, 11:37 PM)
actually is kinda easy to me wo.
i just listen to a singing song(eg jaychou) bout 2 times, hum it out, already can paly the song main melody, then listen to the third time, already can play it the chord.

if piano song 1 time sapu all!
so the "play by ear" course actually not hard and not required la.

but wait........i got yamaha course and piano course  since i was 3:sweat:
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i knw its easy...
coz i can do it too...
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i juz dunno how to teach those who ask me...
this is the hard thing... tongue.gif
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i can play by ear too~ yay! well, i learned it thru playing piano in church haha~ slowly you'll get an idea of what chords and the left hand accompaniment of a certain pattern. somehow.
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QUOTE(x-crusader @ Apr 13 2008, 10:11 PM)
i knw its easy...
coz i can do it too...
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i juz dunno how to teach those who ask me...
this is the hard thing... tongue.gif
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haha, when my friends ask me how, after 10min of explaining. they reply with a "huh?".

LOL. hearing must be train and not to be taught by words XD

QUOTE(onelove89 @ Apr 14 2008, 11:44 AM)
i can play by ear too~ yay! well, i learned it thru playing piano in church haha~ slowly you'll get an idea of what chords and the left hand accompaniment of a certain pattern. somehow.
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yup, cause they singing songs are only co-existing as 2 keys : major and minor.
when they are major sounding, usually they are root chords or major chords, I, IV, V
when they are singing minor, it is III, VI

usually a song chord cadence goes like this, I-VI( major to minor), I-V(major to major), III-VI( minor to minor), IV-V, VI-IV etc etc

Example
C Am
i saw a monkey, jump over the wall
F G
i saw a monkey Jump

chorus

Am F
i took a stick, and poke it down

C G
well, that is the end of the song
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QUOTE(icypetals @ Apr 14 2008, 03:02 PM)
yup, cause they singing songs are only co-existing as 2 keys : major and minor.
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what are you trying to say, exactly? rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(little ice @ Apr 14 2008, 03:33 PM)
what are you trying to say, exactly? rolleyes.gif
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im saying in a scale only got major or minor sounding ma XD so if not major sound means minor sound lo XD

lol

I ii iii IV V vi vii


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QUOTE(icypetals @ Apr 12 2008, 04:30 PM)
my classes schelude are all together XD 12pm-3pm ( lol, non-stop )
12-1pm= yamaha
1-2pm= theory
2-3pm= pratical

LOL...

my fees my mom see want to do, especially 2 months-3months never pay.

U count:-
yamaha fees( higher musician course) rm180
grd 8- rm150( if not wrong)
violin X2( double lesson) rm120
rm450 per month ( excluding books XD)
ahahhaa, rm450 for small town in kedah, imagine if i live in KL, my parents will be dead in debts XD
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tat expensive???? shocking.gif shocking.gif rclxub.gif

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