Heh... posted this at the bb'ing thread but might as well do it here. Best line up ever!

dave draper was before the 1970s. very old fella.. friends of arnold and tom platz. didn't compete with them as far as i know. i've been reading his stuff for sometime. very intersting. old school basic training.

check this out. this picture is him at 60+ i think

Nice. Any links to his training? I'm a fan of old school training.

all draper's stuff in here. hahaha

http://www.davedraper.com/workout-routines.html

they even have a cutting routine. 6 days a week. crazy shit

Beautiful. Thanks. I'm eyeing that advanced workout template.

hahaha.. lots of supersets in it man. u see all drapers stuff was very basic. yet the physique they build was insanely beautiful too.

What about vince gironda? He is as old school as you get. I think I might have some pdf some time ago as I was researching him.

Yeah, you got links? I've been looking up his articles but all they write about are his life, principles but no training programs.

All I have are mainly a compilation by someone who have personal experience with Vince, a collection mainly of correspondence, conversations and books with Vince himself. Very little on specific programs, but there are guides, nutrition, exercises (with pics on some), and alot of stuff. Its bundled into a pdf and its written by Alan Palmieri. If you want it, gimme your email and I can email the file to you. Its 28Mb btw.

email add is in my LYN profile, thanks man.

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Added on June 13, 2008, 2:16 pmemail add is in my LYN profile, thanks man.

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could i have a copy too? email is chiakengene@gmail.com

thanks

Ok guys, sent. See if you guys got it, pretty big file. Lemme know what you find useful, I myself been experimenting on some. Its a continuous learning process, and i've learnt a few things here in the forums myself Cheers

got it. thanks

i haven't got it bro! send again pls. thx thx

hey darklight,I want to know about the HIT regime right.

Why did you say it was bullshit? the set to failure philosophy,I heard most people are implying it and said that if the muscle progresses to failure it means that your energy quota is used up and you have pushed yourself to the limit which will help stimulate more muscle growth.

is that true?

thanks

HIT is a good regime la. but it goes against the bodybuilder's commen sense of training. the volume is too low. u train per body part 9-14 days once man. u go to the gym like 2-3 days a week? just to train one body part. its very very easy to over train too man. u gotta understand your body recovery capacity very well to do HIT. no many can make use of HIT optimally. u need a very strong mental to be able to push through failure too. training beyond failure is not an easy thing. its more than muscle. its your head.

Volume is the key word here mate. Mike Mentzer, even though he was an advocate of a variation of HIT (Heavy Duty Training) did not grow on just a single set till failure. He grew on high volume training. The results speak for themselves. Show me anyone who has an impressive physique from just doing HIT, and i don't mean those on drug assistance. I can spend all day producing scientific evidence but results from people who have done volume training compared to those who have done HIT speak for themselves. I'm also a personal experiment. I've done HIT and HVT and my physique shows a huge difference.

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Arms 14/6/2008

Rotation Day 7

Warm up
Dips
BW x 10
BW x 10

Chin ups
BW x 10
BW x 10

Dumbell curls
50lbs x 8
45lbs x 9
40lbs x 8

Supersetted with:-
Weighted dips
BW + 45lbs x 10
BW + 80lbs x 10
BW + 115lbs x 9

Concentration curls Milos Sarcev's style
40lbs x 5, 25lbs x 6, 20lbs x 4
35lbs x 6, 25lbs x 5, 20lbs x 4
30lbs x 7, 20lbs x 5, 15lbs x 4

Supersetted with:-
Dumbell overhead extension
80lbs x 9
80lbs x 9
80lbs x 9

Prone curls Charles Glass' style
5 plates x 10
5 plates x 10
4 plates x 12

Supersetted with:-
Tricep rope extensions
90lbs x 10
80lbs x 10
80lbs x 10

Comments:-
Still hungover from a drinking session the night before. Kept volume low but hit PR's so I'm still happy. Plus there were some girls who were staring at me doing weight dips so it gave me extra motivation to grind out more reps. =)

Hey dark,

I went youtubing for Milos Sarcevs' video and all...saw how he trains and all....damn nice lol

When he was doing his bicep curls and all....all his veins popping up.

so you would recommend HDV?

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