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 May 9 2008, 07:59 PM
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QUOTE(Caedus @ May 9 2008, 04:56 PM) I'd put money down on Streamyx nice,  Stupid ISP gives me weird problems over the last few years...Can't wait to sign up IINet Naked DSL plans and get ADSL2+ speeds WOOT!   , i wish to have ADSL2+ too but can't afford it, too expensive  |
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May 9 2008, 08:29 PM
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caedus : stick with the normal package. i was a staunch supporter of iinet until they shafted me. what was supposed to take between 10-20 days became 10-20 working days, and in the end one month until my naked dsl was connected. now i'm finally on naked, how i wish to be able to revert back to the normal package where u have a landline to call any damn call centers in the event of screw ups. wasted a total of nearly 3 hrs on my mobile calling for help.
besides, the quota packages for naked dsl is pathetic. |
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May 9 2008, 08:35 PM
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ May 9 2008, 06:02 AM) I dont know.Almost everyone give me this opinion.Besides,all my friends go to Melbourne to study.Im the only one studying here. but wouldnt those extra subjects help you? add on to ur degree or something? or is it a complete waste of time? The reason i choose UNSW because of their more practical approach in teaching,cheaper than Melbourne,they dont force me to learn economics or any non-engineering related subjects(unlike Melbourne which i hate a lot) and UNSW is better in engineering than Melbourne.  btw, applied for aeronautical engineering at unsw and usyd, and chemical for melbourne today(good thing they stated that we can decided which branch of engineering we want to do later on XD ) |
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May 9 2008, 09:15 PM
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QUOTE(notanon @ May 9 2008, 08:35 PM) but wouldnt those extra subjects help you? add on to ur degree or something? or is it a complete waste of time? I just dont want to learn economics when im doing engineering.I prefer "hardcore" engineering. |
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May 9 2008, 09:20 PM
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ May 9 2008, 09:15 PM) I just dont want to learn economics when im doing engineering. You'll thank the university for providing you manufacturing, economics and management subjects in the future I prefer "hardcore" engineering.  |
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May 9 2008, 09:54 PM
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anyone nearby Murdoch Uni,Perth? kinda sucky to wait for the slow and steady accomodation offices. might stay outside if no place in campus. suggestion?
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May 9 2008, 10:15 PM
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QUOTE(SeeD @ May 9 2008, 09:20 PM) You'll thank the university for providing you manufacturing, economics and management subjects in the future sooooooo, ur saying that hardcore engineering alone isnt good and that melbournes program is better? |
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May 9 2008, 10:19 PM
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QUOTE(SeeD @ May 9 2008, 09:20 PM) You'll thank the university for providing you manufacturing, economics and management subjects in the future If you are saying Melbourne U is better than UNSW.Then,why are you coming to UNSW?It's almost all hardcore engineering here,unless you take some econ subjects for Gen Ed. |
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May 9 2008, 10:22 PM
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QUOTE(notanon @ May 9 2008, 10:15 PM) sooooooo, ur saying that hardcore engineering alone isnt good and that melbournes program is better? Define hardcore.My definition of hardcore engineering is 100% engineering subjects with no other papers like management, manufacturing, computing etc. QUOTE(Cheesenium @ May 9 2008, 10:19 PM) If you are saying Melbourne U is better than UNSW.Then,why are you coming to UNSW? I did not say Melbourne U is better than UNSW.It's almost all hardcore engineering here,unless you take some econ subjects for Gen Ed. |
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May 10 2008, 12:25 AM
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QUOTE(SeeD @ May 9 2008, 10:22 PM) Define hardcore. Your definition is flawed (or possibly just no longer relevant). The IEA (Engineers Australia) requires all accredited Engineering programs to include basic management and computing subjects. As many Engineers eventually end up in consultancy and management positions, soft skills are now very important and the industry demand this from graduates. No matter where you go (UNSW or Melbourne), you will have to do management and computing courses as part of your Engineering degree. After all, Engineers utilise technology to implement solutions.My definition of hardcore engineering is 100% engineering subjects with no other papers like management, manufacturing, computing etc. While Economics is not compulsory, a single degree student at UNSW still has to do free electives. This is where you select from a number of courses usually not related to your field of study. Many students actually choose subjects like Economics, Asian Languages, Philosophy, etc. This post has been edited by chris_c28: May 10 2008, 12:26 AM |
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May 10 2008, 12:28 AM
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QUOTE(SeeD @ May 9 2008, 10:22 PM) Define hardcore. Computing are one of the core course in UNSW.You have to take it no matter what.My definition of hardcore engineering is 100% engineering subjects with no other papers like management, manufacturing, computing etc. I did not say Melbourne U is better than UNSW. |
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May 10 2008, 12:39 AM
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QUOTE(chris_c28 @ May 10 2008, 12:25 AM) Your definition is flawed (or possibly just no longer relevant). The IEA (Engineers Australia) requires all accredited Engineering programs to include basic management and computing subjects. As many Engineers eventually end up in consultancy and management positions, soft skills are now very important and the industry demand this from graduates. No matter where you go (UNSW or Melbourne), you will have to do management and computing courses as part of your Engineering degree. After all, Engineers utilise technology to implement solutions. That's exactly my point. I'm saying be it UNSW or Melbourne U, they're going to feed you with lots of irrelevant course(not) and you're going to be thankful for them as the so called irrelevant courses are going to help you in the future.While Economics is not compulsory, a single degree student at UNSW still has to do free electives. This is where you select from a number of courses usually not related to your field of study. Many students actually choose subjects like Economics, Asian Languages, Philosophy, etc. QUOTE(Cheesenium @ May 10 2008, 12:28 AM) Computing are one of the core course in UNSW.You have to take it no matter what. If you're saying hardcore engineering, I don't see computing involved at all. Engineering is engineering, computing is computing. Even though they are closely related and many got the wrong idea that computing comes along with engineering. Actually no, computers are just items used to expand the capability and empower engineering uses.But I can't deny that you'll touch computer no matter what kind of engineering field you're in This post has been edited by SeeD: May 10 2008, 12:41 AM |
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May 10 2008, 07:38 AM
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Shame over foreign students in Melbourne
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « well quite true This post has been edited by KVReninem: May 10 2008, 07:40 AM |
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May 10 2008, 08:48 AM
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QUOTE(SeeD @ May 10 2008, 12:39 AM) That's exactly my point. I'm saying be it UNSW or Melbourne U, they're going to feed you with lots of irrelevant course(not) and you're going to be thankful for them as the so called irrelevant courses are going to help you in the future. I still consider computing as part of engineering.Computers plays a major role in engineering and if you can do even some basic VB,that will help you a lot.If you're saying hardcore engineering, I don't see computing involved at all. Engineering is engineering, computing is computing. Even though they are closely related and many got the wrong idea that computing comes along with engineering. Actually no, computers are just items used to expand the capability and empower engineering uses. But I can't deny that you'll touch computer no matter what kind of engineering field you're in I dont mind learning extra subjects like surveying(that one is a fun subject) or computing but not things like economics or bio when im doing civil engineering. |
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May 10 2008, 09:00 AM
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QUOTE(notanon @ May 8 2008, 01:40 AM) aight, since im undecided on where to go, i have decided to apply for common engineering(it means that i decide which branch only in the 2nd year right? ) I'm doing engineering at ANU. We have a relatively small number of students compared to UNSW and Melbourne (about 250 this year, mostly locals) but I'm pretty sure our program is just as good! Engineering at ANU is actually a systems engineering degree - you get to major in one or two areas that you're interested in but you also take courses outside that area. I think it's great.for unsw, melbourne, anu, and uwa. the comments here really helped, thanks lotsa. We also have a engineering reseach and development scholars program (for people with UAI 98++) in which you get to conduct your own research in a field that interests you with the guidance of a mentor (one of the lecturers). Oh and our fees is significantly less than that of UNSW and Melb Uni  The downside to coming here would be that there's nothing much to do in Canberra. Haha. But hey, ur here to study so I guess that's actually a good thing. And Sydney's only 3 hours away if u ever need your big city fix |
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May 10 2008, 11:24 AM
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Guys, i just attended a talk in my college in Perth from the University of Melbourne, about the melbourne model, do you guys think the linking degrees are better than combined degrees? I'm planning to do law, but this means that i can't confirm whether i'll be in law in my first year in uni, and have to "bia" another 3 more years after foundation to prove that i worth-while to get into law, more headaches >< @@
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May 10 2008, 02:08 PM
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Any job recommend for new students like me in melb? Plan to get one for the mid sem break. I am from RMIT and this is my 3rd month in melb.
Besides, I experience broadband line shaped in my 1st month. Omg, waiting ages to open a site. My fren told me it is only 64kbps but i feel it's worse than dial-up line. And the landlord is charging 5 bucks for extra 1GB  Missing streamyx... |
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May 10 2008, 02:43 PM
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3,107 posts Joined: Apr 2007 From: Sarawak
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QUOTE(Ver @ May 10 2008, 11:24 AM) Guys, i just attended a talk in my college in Perth from the University of Melbourne, about the melbourne model, do you guys think the linking degrees are better than combined degrees? I'm planning to do law, but this means that i can't confirm whether i'll be in law in my first year in uni, and have to "bia" another 3 more years after foundation to prove that i worth-while to get into law, more headaches >< @@ Nah i don like their new model, even though it 'seems' good. Well, its good in some parts, like bachelor of engineering is bridged to the masters degree in 5 years time, while if u do it separately , it will take around 6 years. So thats the good part. The bad part is the graduate entry =) Thats why i din choose melbourne, if not, i'll be seeing u all, like KVReninem =D |
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May 10 2008, 04:46 PM
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ahhh f***, i cant decided, melbourne or unsw, melbourne for one is the more popular and would it perhaps seem better in the eyes of future employers?
unsw, the guy said i shouldnt have any problem getting in with my results, luls,but ya, cant decide if i should go to unsw or melb.... |
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May 10 2008, 05:30 PM
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haha if you like to partay and go out then i think choose melb, if not, go to unsw
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