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post Jan 22 2008, 12:11 AM, updated 17y ago

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ok children....giving u some teaser pix first of a DAC that ive been testing these past few days...still in the middle of burning in. so pix first...

reviews are gonna take awhile...wanna let it burn in first..also very busy now...next week office moving...so not much time to sit and listen. anyway...on with pr0n.

would like to thank the person who supplied me the DAC in confidence and giving me a chance to test it out. wont reveal who he is....will let him do it himself if he wants to be known. thanks for the chance bro notworthy.gif

BULK THREAD - go order!!! biggrin.gif

ZERO DAC @ Head-Fi ( friggin long thread & fast growing sweat.gif )

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PeEkAbOo! comes with optical cable
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the optical cable...brand is Choseal. for those Jln Pasar regulars, u shoud have seen this brand at a few shops.
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just in case someone who can read chinese is curious what it says at the back biggrin.gif
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the DAC itself and how its packed. with plastic styrofoam like thingy and some styrofoam-ish case to protect it.
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the entire package... Manual (in Chinese), DAC, Power cable, Optical cable
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front view....doesnt it look like a certain Z product??
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belakang mari view...aka back view la.
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top view...small vents to let out hot air. suitable enough as the unit isnt very hot (could be its directly under aircond heh)
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bottom view...some foam like feets. wont scratch the surface and easy to move around.
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post Jan 22 2008, 12:12 AM

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time for some nekkid pictures drool.gif brows.gif

full topless view...
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the DAC section
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the DAC opamp. cant see from the pix so i wrote it down biggrin.gif
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the next few pictures are for those who has a fetish for capacitors... so here u go biggrin.gif
(all the blue caps are of the same brand some kekekkekekeek brand laugh.gif )
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AMP section
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the opamp
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the caps...which is written ELNA on it.
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post Jan 22 2008, 12:13 AM

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since people waiting for review......heres some points first...

soundstage is MUCH wider than my Fubar II + Cute Battery amp. which makes the sound sig a lil laid back. it also sounds "thicker" and has more body compared to my current setup. the highs arent piercing especially on my DT990 which is known to have very prominent highs (so it helps to tame it abit). thumbup.gif

1 point though... compared to my Fubar II + Cute Battery II amp, the bass is SLIGHTLY lesser. which makes the double pedal bass slam for METAL abit lacking. but if ur music is NOT metal, i.e hip hop, fengtau, R&B etc etc. then this would do you good thumbup.gif

EDIT: just to make things clear, this is still very good for metal. but im sort of a basshead. hence the comment on the above paragraph. also because im used to my current setup....but after a short while u get used to it. the difference is bass is very minimal.



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post Jan 22 2008, 12:13 AM

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post Jan 22 2008, 12:38 AM

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mind telling me which DAC chip ? AD1955?
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post Jan 22 2008, 12:45 AM

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copied from the head-fi thread

Specifications of the ZERO 24 BIT/192KHz DAC/Headphone Amp/Pre-Amp:
Receive chip: CS8416
Decode chip: AD1852
Analog operational amplifier chip: OPA2604
Signal to noise ratio: 120dB
Total harmonic distortion: 0.0005%
Dynamic range: 117dB
Frequency response: 20Hz - 30 kHz
Analog output level: 2V
Input interface:
One independent digital fiber input
One independent digital coaxial input
One RCA analog signal unbalanced output
One 6.3mm headphone signal output
Time delay switch for ON/OFF protection circuit
Individual PCB design for future upgrade capability
Hi End components and IC (less than 1% tolerance)
Separate and individual voltage regulators
Dual Mono Amp design
Double face PCB for reducing size
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post Jan 22 2008, 01:05 AM

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post Jan 22 2008, 01:50 AM

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post Jan 22 2008, 09:15 AM

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Major parts upgrade required lol, gogogogo, add in new Elna caps, MUR820 diodes, tantalum stability caps, extra decoupling and takamisawa relays!
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post Jan 22 2008, 12:49 PM

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post Jan 22 2008, 01:27 PM

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lol,how is it sound?i think almost same price range with dah1 right?
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post Jan 22 2008, 07:11 PM

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not gonna say anything about the price yet brows.gif

lets just say its damn bang for buck.....

and as of right now...i like it man...seriously. will do better review later on... biggrin.gif

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Major parts upgrade required lol, gogogogo, add in new Elna caps, MUR820 diodes, tantalum stability caps, extra decoupling and takamisawa relays!
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that my friend, would be a job for you tongue.gif

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post Jan 22 2008, 07:28 PM

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I saw only sell at EBAY and a hongky website.
I also saw some1(NCMK) from VR-zone forum said around SGD$130 inclusive of postage!! ( wow..that is cheap..dunno how true is this fella)
This is 1 of my DAC target also...but fund got diverted to other item..lol

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Looking forward to the review...

How does it compare to the iBasso D1 and Fubar?
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post Jan 22 2008, 08:25 PM

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boys and girls.... BULK THREAD is up!!!

order urs NOW!!! rclxm9.gif
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post Jan 22 2008, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jan 22 2008, 08:25 PM)
boys and girls.... BULK THREAD is up!!!

order urs NOW!!! rclxm9.gif
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Fuyo..very interesting price...
Wat I like about it is option to opamp rolling....but if rolling 4Xopa627 with browndog adapter...another RM300 there!!!
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post Jan 22 2008, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Jan 22 2008, 08:30 PM)
Fuyo..very interesting price...
Wat I like about it is option to opamp rolling....but if rolling 4Xopa627 with browndog adapter...another RM300 there!!!
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Hi mike. Based on one headfier's review, the opa627 works great with the ZERO dac!
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post Jan 22 2008, 08:32 PM

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AD1852, OPA2604, basically Zhaolu AD, but Zhaolu has better approach at selecting components. Plus, the circuit is almost identical to the basic DAC circuit that is even apllied to Zhaolu, cept the dac buffer/pre-amp stage consist of only one opamp rather than two, meaning signal is non-balanced (zhaolu 2.5 and higher model do not haf balanced output but aminot mod would enable balanced).

Headphone out is also a simple buffered class-b output, almost similar..but then agian, everything is very similar in the audio electronic world.

The cache factor would be the price..but i bought a Zhaolu D2.5A (keep in mind, ac in-line filter, better regulation and board design, all capacitors are branded boutique capacitors, implementation is much better) at..- EDIT : I din know a bulk is on, so I wont bother -



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QUOTE(ijan @ Jan 22 2008, 08:32 PM)
AD1852, OPA2604, basically Zhaolu AD, but Zhaolu has better approach at selecting components. Plus, the circuit is almost identical to the basic DAC circuit that is even apllied to Zhaolu, cept the dac buffer/pre-amp stage consist of only one opamp rather than two, meaning signal is non-balanced (zhaolu 2.5 and higher model do not haf balanced output but aminot mod would enable balanced).

Headphone out is also a simple buffered class-b output, almost similar..but then agian, everything is very similar in the audio electronic world.

The cache factor would be the price..but i bought a Zhaolu D2.5A (keep in mind, ac in-line filter, better regulation and board design, all capacitors are branded boutique capacitors, implementation is much better) at..- EDIT : I din know a bulk is on, so I wont bother -
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Yup. basically it's a Zhaolu AD but coming with fuller and warmer sound, that's what the designer told me, before this he did working in designing the Zhaolu and now he decided to establish his own company. IMHO the ZERO is kinda a dac with lots of upgrade possibility as the Zhaolu, but since the Zhaolu 3.0 coming out, the company decided to discontinue the Zhaolu 2.x series, so people who did consider getting the Zhaolu 2.x and i wish that they may consider giving chance to this potential unit. Thanks smile.gif
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some opamps tested in the ZERO....long list (quoted from head-fi)

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QUOTE(ijan @ Jan 22 2008, 08:32 PM)
AD1852, OPA2604, basically Zhaolu AD, but Zhaolu has better approach at selecting components. Plus, the circuit is almost identical to the basic DAC circuit that is even apllied to Zhaolu, cept the dac buffer/pre-amp stage consist of only one opamp rather than two, meaning signal is non-balanced (zhaolu 2.5 and higher model do not haf balanced output but aminot mod would enable balanced).

Headphone out is also a simple buffered class-b output, almost similar..but then agian, everything is very similar in the audio electronic world.

The cache factor would be the price..but i bought a Zhaolu D2.5A (keep in mind, ac in-line filter, better regulation and board design, all capacitors are branded boutique capacitors, implementation is much better) at..- EDIT : I din know a bulk is on, so I wont bother -
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laugh.gif i dont speak ur language man...but i guessing ur saying the Zhaolu is better. wont be surprised honestly. but considering those damn things are difficult to get now... i think this is actually quite a steal. it really does sound good (too lazy to write review right now tongue.gif )

the unit i have is on loan....heck, i just might buy it off laugh.gif

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jan 22 2008, 08:42 PM)
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some opamps tested in the ZERO....long list (quoted from head-fi)

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laugh.gif i dont speak ur language man...but i guessing ur saying the Zhaolu is better. wont be surprised honestly. but considering those damn things are difficult to get now... i think this is actually quite a steal. it really does sound good (too lazy to write review right now tongue.gif )

the unit i have is on loan....heck, i just might buy it off laugh.gif
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lol..i also dun speak that lingo..
But Rm410 for a external DAC sure will pwn those PCI sound card kaw kaw....I am comparing those who use PC as source...Nowaday, most medium price range MOBO come with at least optical output...
I would said is another alternative to PC user who have audiophile sense...smile.gif
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Jan 22 2008, 08:50 PM)
lol..i also dun speak that lingo..
But Rm410 for a external DAC sure will pwn those PCI sound card kaw kaw....I am comparing those who use PC as source...Nowaday, most medium price range MOBO come with at least optical output...
I would said is another alternative to PC user who have audiophile sense...smile.gif
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RM410 really rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
definitely worth to try it wub.gif
madman, i am waiting for you bring your dac come to my home...lets AB test with DAH1...wait after CNY or march i will be free laugh.gif
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QUOTE(yeah_guyz @ Jan 22 2008, 09:43 PM)
RM410 really  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
definitely worth to try it wub.gif
madman, i am waiting for you bring your dac come to my home...lets AB test with DAH1...wait after CNY or march i will be free laugh.gif
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wat la..need to wait that long...maybe other DAH01 owner (cough cough cough TeOtq) can have a AB test this weekend..tongue.gif
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WAH......senang senang hati only wanna setup appointment for me?? laugh.gif

not free this weekend. need to work cry.gif

but no worries...next week i got dental surgery (removing widsom tooth) so meaning i got few days MC!!! laugh.gif

EDIT: crap....just remembered...next week moving office so my surgery oso have to delay doh.gif

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jan 22 2008, 09:49 PM)
WAH......senang senang hati only wanna setup appointment for me?? laugh.gif

not free this weekend. need to work cry.gif

but no worries...next week i got dental surgery (removing widsom tooth) so meaning i got few days MC!!! laugh.gif

EDIT: crap....just remembered...next week moving office so my surgery oso have to delay doh.gif
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but how to fight...RM1K vs RM400...maybe if even ..this 1 still win..lol..
Anway, looking forward for more reviews from other people..smile.gif
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Jan 22 2008, 09:47 PM)
wat la..need to wait that long...maybe other DAH01 owner (cough cough cough TeOtq) can have a AB test this weekend..tongue.gif
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lol...TeoTQ not in MALAYSIA la... he is foreiner...LOL tongue.gif

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lol...TeoTQ not in MALAYSIA la... he is foreiner...LOL tongue.gif
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Jan 22 2008, 09:54 PM)
but how to fight...RM1K vs RM400...maybe if even ..this 1 still win..lol..
Anway, looking forward for more reviews from other people..smile.gif
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never try never know..LOL,
dont judge something by price...try with own ear tongue.gif
but look at the spec of both DAC...RM400 will lose la blush.gif

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QUOTE(yeah_guyz @ Jan 22 2008, 09:55 PM)
lol...TeoTQ not in MALAYSIA la... he is foreiner...LOL tongue.gif

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never try never know..LOL,
dont judge something by price...try with own ear tongue.gif
but look at the spec of both DAC...RM400  will lose la blush.gif
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Of course RM400 will lose tongue.gif Different level laugh.gif AD1955 + HEF188, the ZERO just cheapo AD1852 + dunno what design internal amp tongue.gif
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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Jan 22 2008, 10:02 PM)
Of course RM400 will lose tongue.gif Different level laugh.gif AD1955 + HEF188, the ZERO just cheapo AD1852 + dunno what design internal amp tongue.gif
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godluv you got demo unit? u stay nearby w.maju right? can i go kkcc u ;p
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godluv you got demo unit? u stay nearby w.maju right? can i go kkcc u ;p
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I leave my unit loan at mADmAN there, I'm not from W.Maju, but it's just that I may be frequent there maybe once in a month, cos I'm Ipoh lang tongue.gif

EDITED: For those who like to do opamp rolling, me and mADmAN could teach you how to get impressive FREE opamp lol

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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Jan 22 2008, 10:07 PM)
I leave my unit loan at mADmAN there, I'm not from W.Maju, but it's just that I may be frequent there maybe once in a month, cos I'm Ipoh lang tongue.gif

EDITED: For those who like to do opamp rolling, me and mADmAN could teach you how to get impressive FREE opamp lol
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lai lai..teach me/ enlighten me.I need single channel opamp..tongue.gif...so far I rolled opa627...really like the detail and also the tight, deep bass. Not sure about other.
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Jan 22 2008, 09:47 PM)
wat la..need to wait that long...maybe other DAH01 owner (cough cough cough TeOtq) can have a AB test this weekend..tongue.gif
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why me?!lol
i not at malaysia ler,now work at singapore.
rm400+ really really a good price!!!!
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QUOTE(TeOtq @ Jan 22 2008, 11:13 PM)
why me?!lol
i not at malaysia ler,now work at singapore.
rm400+ really really a good price!!!!
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errr....coz U a easy kena poison guy ma...lol..j/k
Ya...RM410 is cheap...must resist!!!

Look at the opamp rolling option listed, so much fun le....
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Jan 22 2008, 11:29 PM)
errr....coz U a easy kena poison guy ma...lol..j/k
Ya...RM410 is cheap...must resist!!!

Look at the opamp rolling option listed, so much fun le....
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but with dah1 maybe wont upgrade or "short" period blink.gif
haha,but read the review at head fi,tis Tian Yun really nice!
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someone pls help, where to get these 2 item

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OPA627 x2 on Brown Dog Adaptor



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someone pls help, where to get these 2 item

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OPA627 x2 on Brown Dog Adaptor
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Another nice DAC. i think should upgrade myself again this time.
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Wow .... a great DAC and considering to get one for my dad as birthday gift, but still gotta read more review before the final decision. smile.gif

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Below is the comment from head-fi.org. This clears the doubt of what the noob like me keep asking the same question all over the net.

" basically DAC performs in analogy to a good player dac circuit like that in marantz CD 6000. In turn, u can couple the DAC with dvd player having optical out/with computer optical. In this way, u dont have to buy a quality cd player and dvd player. " dunno if my assumption is correct.

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As a DAC itself, comparing the Zero DAC with the internal DAC of the Marantz CD6000 OSE, I see they have different personalities. The Marantz is more crispy and more "in front" sound, while the Zero DAC is more relaxed and "analogic", but without losing much in details. After few months, I must admit I prefer the Zero DAC, more relax and charm, expecially with classical music and jazz!
With the pre-amp stage on, I see the sound is not impacted, I mean either in bad or in good. As headphone, it provides power, control and soundstage to my Sessheiser without any hint of noise, but I cannot make any significant review here (I don't have any dedicated headamp to compare with).

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f5/review-ze...58/index71.html

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QUOTE(ccschua @ Jan 23 2008, 01:22 PM)
Below is the comment from head-fi.org. This clears the doubt of what the noob like me keep asking the same question all over the net.

" basically DAC performs in analogy to a good player dac circuit like that in marantz CD 6000. In turn, u can couple the DAC with dvd player having optical out/with computer optical. In this way, u dont have to buy a quality cd player and dvd player. " dunno if my assumption is correct.

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As a DAC itself, comparing the Zero DAC with the internal DAC of the Marantz CD6000 OSE, I see they have different personalities. The Marantz is more crispy and more "in front" sound, while the Zero DAC is more relaxed and "analogic", but without losing much in details. After few months, I must admit I prefer the Zero DAC, more relax and charm, expecially with classical music and jazz!
With the pre-amp stage on, I see the sound is not impacted, I mean either in bad or in good. As headphone, it provides power, control and soundstage to my Sessheiser without any hint of noise, but I cannot make any significant review here (I don't have any dedicated headamp to compare with).

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f5/review-ze...58/index71.html
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Feel the power of standalone DAC!!! Get this, then if happy upgrade to DA-10!!! rclxm9.gif

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post Jan 23 2008, 02:24 PM

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the Zero looks very nice Maddude esp. for the very low cost. looks like a great value to me. me thinks Empire Dudes rite in that it can do with some mods. all these products stand a very good chance of improvements even with simple mods like caps changes.

i'd mite be interested in a meet up (if our schedules coincide) with the Zero vs DAH1 as i can also bring my super mod iBasso D1. i did a whole buncha parts replacement + a power supply upgrade the other day and its a pretty stonking change....& i havent even done any opamp changes yet!

think about it - Zero vs DAH1 vs D1!

we'll see which is the ZERO & which is the HERO!!! lol....

ps:for the guyz thats been looking at DAC chip specs, let me reiterate that the "HERO" WONT be down to the superior DAC chip specs but the IMPLEMENTATION of said chip and the entire DAC unit. theres plenty of old NOS philips TD1541s and TI PCM1704 R2R based DACs that kicks asss. witness the much admired & venerated Wavelength DAC series all of which utilize old DAC chipsets.

back to the old adage guys - IT AINT WHAT U GOT - ITS HOW U USE WHAT YA GOT nod.gif laugh.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

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the Zero looks very nice Maddude esp. for the very low cost. looks like a great value to me. me thinks Empire Dudes rite in that it can do with some mods. all these products stand a very good chance of improvements even with simple mods like caps changes.

i'd mite be interested in a meet up (if our schedules coincide) with the Zero vs DAH1 as i can also bring my super mod iBasso D1. i did a whole buncha parts replacement + a power supply upgrade the other day and its a pretty stonking change....& i havent even done any opamp changes yet!

think about it - Zero vs DAH1 vs D1!

we'll see which is the ZERO & which is the HERO!!! lol....

ps:for the guyz thats been looking at DAC chip specs, let me reiterate that the "HERO" WONT be down to the superior DAC chip specs but the IMPLEMENTATION of said chip and the entire DAC unit. theres plenty of old NOS philips TD1541s and TI PCM1704 R2R based DACs that kicks asss. witness the much admired & venerated Wavelength DAC series all of which utilize old DAC chipsets.

back to the old adage guys - IT AINT WHAT U GOT - ITS HOW U USE IT nod.gif  laugh.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
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would love to have a chance to have a go at the DAH1 man... of all the DACs so far thats the one thats enticed me the most tongue.gif

as for scheduling....almost everyone knows im constantly working. even today public holiday oso im in the office doh.gif

Added on January 23, 2008, 3:10 pmempy.... when u leaving?

and how long would the mod take

also estimated cost. brows.gif

(DAC isnt mine (yet?) still undecided to buy or not to buy. very tempting but we'll see biggrin.gif)

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would love to have a chance to have a go at the DAH1 man... of all the DACs so far thats the one thats enticed me the most tongue.gif

as for scheduling....almost everyone knows im constantly working. even today public holiday oso im in the office doh.gif

Added on January 23, 2008, 3:10 pmempy.... when u leaving?

and how long would the mod take

also estimated cost. brows.gif

(DAC isnt mine (yet?) still undecided to buy or not to buy. very tempting but we'll see biggrin.gif)
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Considering the price is cheaper than your current fu2, that's downgrade man!
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Considering the price is cheaper than your current fu2, that's downgrade man!
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cant say like that man....price is not a determining factor of which is good or bad.

take Alien USB DAC for example. taht little bugger is cheap and can sound a whole lot better than most creative cards at more than twice the price.

like scotties been saying...its the implementation....

but like i also said in another thread...if i pick up the ZERO it wont be replacing my Fubar. ill still be looking around for a good DAC to fulfill all my requirements.

also like i said...there are pros and cons. which ill probably explain better in my review (once i find the time and energy to write it)
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I think many ppl is holding back on the bulk until your review comes out tongue.gif

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madman, it time to do ur review here....
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dammit...i really wish i could write the review man...i do.

but im so busy right now.... even today public holiday have to work cry.gif

seriously, i would recommend getting it.


okok some points first....
soundstage is MUCH wider than my Fubar II + Cute Battery amp. which makes the sound sig a lil laid back. it also sounds "thicker" and has more body compared to my current setup. the highs arent piercing especially on my DT990 which is known to have very prominent highs (so it helps to tame it abit). thumbup.gif

1 point though... compared to my Fubar II + Cute Battery II amp, the bass is SLIGHTLY lesser. which makes the double pedal bass slam for METAL abit lacking. but if ur music is NOT metal, i.e hip hop, fengtau, R&B etc etc. then this would do you good thumbup.gif

EDIT: just to make things clear, this is still very good for metal. but im sort of a basshead. hence the comment on the above paragraph. also because im used to my current setup....but after a short while u get used to it. the difference is bass is very minimal.

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would love to have a chance to have a go at the DAH1 man... of all the DACs so far thats the one thats enticed me the most tongue.gif

as for scheduling....almost everyone knows im constantly working. even today public holiday oso im in the office doh.gif

Added on January 23, 2008, 3:10 pmempy.... when u leaving?

and how long would the mod take

also estimated cost. brows.gif

(DAC isnt mine (yet?) still undecided to buy or not to buy. very tempting but we'll see biggrin.gif)
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Leaving 13th, if you wanna do a full mod it shouldn't be a problem since i already know the ZL's general design rules so it's easy. Tops oso 1 whole day lah.

Cost for a decent mod would be 200-300.
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whoah....that doesnt leave me much time to gather the cash.....will see how it goes....currently the amp still doesnt belong to me so modding something that aint mine...aint nice laugh.gif

will let u know....tempting hmm.gif

Added on January 23, 2008, 6:26 pmoh by the way....is it possible to mod this to be able to accept USB input????

although i doubt it, that mod would be interesting brows.gif

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whoah....that doesnt leave me much time to gather the cash.....will see how it goes....currently the amp still doesnt belong to me so modding something that aint mine...aint nice laugh.gif

will let u know....tempting hmm.gif

Added on January 23, 2008, 6:26 pmoh by the way....is it possible to mod this to be able to accept USB input????

although i doubt it, that mod would be interesting brows.gif
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whoah....that doesnt leave me much time to gather the cash.....will see how it goes....currently the amp still doesnt belong to me so modding something that aint mine...aint nice laugh.gif

will let u know....tempting hmm.gif

Added on January 23, 2008, 6:26 pmoh by the way....is it possible to mod this to be able to accept USB input????

although i doubt it, that mod would be interesting brows.gif
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Very dooable, but this will take quite long as USB to I2S/SPDIF converters usually come in SSOP28 or MSOP28 which is hard to solder and very hard to make a board for. Alot of thus has to be ordered.

I'll ask TI if they have a free evaluation board.
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shocking.gif very doable? damn....lemme know of the availability of the stuff and cost as well....

damn this is gonna be interesting drool.gif

decided i confirm gonna send to u for the RM300 mods though biggrin.gif
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FYI, Labour law only protect those who earn less than RM1500 per month(Gross). I think most of us here are not qualify. tongue.gif

By the way, anyone know wer to get browndog adapter? I only can find some at ebay..For 2 pcs, USD9.99+10(postal fee)..

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Hi, brothers and sisters, the ZERO dac bulk just need another two units to kick start the bulk, HURRY UP! Anyway, a big thank you for you guys, thanks for considering!
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good luck dude, good DAC i shall said, as ZL ex owner, i will say...DAC make ur sound experience different, madman, when u wanna come over to my house, and get poisoned from my AMP???
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good luck dude, good DAC i shall said, as ZL ex owner, i will say...DAC make ur sound experience different, madman, when u wanna come over to my house, and get poisoned from my AMP???
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ill definitely come over to ur place man....need to change my mylars laugh.gif
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For those who are bothering about no SPDIF connection available from you computer, I may help you guys getting USB to SPDIF signal converter like below, so it works like getting signal from your USB port and through that device, after that the signal will be convert into SPDIF signal and send to the ZERO dac. TATTa ~~~ There your ZERO dac would start singing! And this useful little device would only cost you guys RM20.
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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Jan 24 2008, 11:47 PM)
For those who are bothering about no SPDIF connection available from you computer, I may help you guys getting USB to SPDIF signal converter like below, so it works like getting signal from your USB port and through that device, after that the signal will be convert into SPDIF signal and send to the ZERO dac. TATTa ~~~ There your ZERO dac would start singing! And this useful little device would only cost you guys RM20.
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Wow..i want 1X USB to SPDIF signal converter...can help me get it??
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FYI, Labour law only protect those who earn less than RM1500 per month(Gross). I think most of us here are not qualify. tongue.gif

By the way, anyone know wer to get browndog adapter? I only can find some at ebay..For 2 pcs, USD9.99+10(postal fee)..
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im not qualified,coz i havent start earning yet,still a student,lolz.bro,why u wan to use browndog adapter?
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im not qualified,coz i havent start earning yet,still a student,lolz.bro,why u wan to use browndog adapter?
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alot of us also student la...it's just depends on how you manage ur money biggrin.gif biggrin.gif brows.gif
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Wow..i want 1X USB to SPDIF signal converter...can help me get it??
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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Jan 24 2008, 11:47 PM)
For those who are bothering about no SPDIF connection available from you computer, I may help you guys getting USB to SPDIF signal converter like below, so it works like getting signal from your USB port and through that device, after that the signal will be convert into SPDIF signal and send to the ZERO dac. TATTa ~~~ There your ZERO dac would start singing! And this useful little device would only cost you guys RM20.
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is it connect tis device by using mini to rca to the dac??
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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Jan 24 2008, 11:47 PM)
For those who are bothering about no SPDIF connection available from you computer, I may help you guys getting USB to SPDIF signal converter like below, so it works like getting signal from your USB port and through that device, after that the signal will be convert into SPDIF signal and send to the ZERO dac. TATTa ~~~ There your ZERO dac would start singing! And this useful little device would only cost you guys RM20.
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if u can manage to get this device, pls collecte order at bulk, if im not mistaken, i can point out at least 3 person who are looking for this tongue.gif
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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Jan 24 2008, 11:47 PM)
For those who are bothering about no SPDIF connection available from you computer, I may help you guys getting USB to SPDIF signal converter like below, so it works like getting signal from your USB port and through that device, after that the signal will be convert into SPDIF signal and send to the ZERO dac. TATTa ~~~ There your ZERO dac would start singing! And this useful little device would only cost you guys RM20.
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ya...i'm also interested with this item drool.gif

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is it connect tis device by using mini to rca to the dac??
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Nope, it connects your USB cable to this device and then convert the USB signal into SPDIF. So this is for those got DAC which accepts SPDIF digital input but unfortunately the computer got no SPDIF output.

QUOTE(yuheng @ Jan 25 2008, 08:22 AM)
if u can manage to get this device, pls collecte order at bulk, if im not mistaken, i can point out at least 3 person who are looking for this tongue.gif
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ya...i'm also interested with this item drool.gif
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LOL I guess i gotta do one time FREE community service to help you guys get this but of course with the condition: I'm able to complete the ZERO dac bulk! So you guys please hurry up to grab your ZERO dac! cool2.gif

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Nope, it connects your USB cable to this device and then convert the USB signal into SPDIF. So this is for those got DAC which accepts SPDIF digital input but unfortunately the computer got no SPDIF output.
LOL I guess i gotta do one time FREE community service to help you guys get this but of course with the condition: I'm able to complete the ZERO dac bulk! So you guys please hurry up to grab your ZERO dac!  cool2.gif
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maybe u can complete the bulk faster by giving me FREE zero dac...just kidding lol icon_rolleyes.gif

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Nope, it connects your USB cable to this device and then convert the USB signal into SPDIF. So this is for those got DAC which accepts SPDIF digital input but unfortunately the computer got no SPDIF output.
LOL I guess i gotta do one time FREE community service to help you guys get this but of course with the condition: I'm able to complete the ZERO dac bulk! So you guys please hurry up to grab your ZERO dac!  cool2.gif
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Wow, that's cheap. RM20. Let us know where you get them. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Jan 24 2008, 11:47 PM)
For those who are bothering about no SPDIF connection available from you computer, I may help you guys getting USB to SPDIF signal converter like below, so it works like getting signal from your USB port and through that device, after that the signal will be convert into SPDIF signal and send to the ZERO dac. TATTa ~~~ There your ZERO dac would start singing! And this useful little device would only cost you guys RM20.
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interested, pls reserve 1x unit for me, got more detail spec about this item?

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Nope, it connects your USB cable to this device and then convert the USB signal into SPDIF. So this is for those got DAC which accepts SPDIF digital input but unfortunately the computer got no SPDIF output.
LOL I guess i gotta do one time FREE community service to help you guys get this but of course with the condition: I'm able to complete the ZERO dac bulk! So you guys please hurry up to grab your ZERO dac!  cool2.gif
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oh..forgot to ask. wat is the spdif output? optical only? or coax only or optical ony or both?
But anyway, put me 2 units..tongue.gif
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oh..forgot to ask. wat is the spdif output? optical only? or coax only or optical ony or both?
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Emm .... so far none, just treat it as somekind of converter smile.gif For those who are interested with the converter please leave your name and quantity here, once the bulk is ready to kick start, I would start PM you guys smile.gif
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been listening to my Fubar + Cute amp the past few days.....

switched back to the ZERO....damn the mids really came out man.... drool.gif
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got other model hav coaxial out one?
is the converter need external power source?
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been listening to my Fubar + Cute amp the past few days.....

switched back to the ZERO....damn the mids really came out man.... drool.gif
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got other model hav coaxial out one?
is the converter need external power source?
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BTW, guys! Now I got 4 confirm orders, one more spot left to kick start the bulk!!! Anyone wanna join us?
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need a better source now but the size of this thing is drawing me back sad.gif
should i go for it?
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Hi there, personally i don't think that the size is kinda big, 240mm（length）220mm（width）55mm（height), it's roughly the size of A4 paper, heck the A4 paper when place horizontal, the paper's width is even greater the DAC width.

One thing for sure, the sound quality certainly hard to beat at this price, mADman has been giving rave review about this unit! and one thing good is, if you wanna put your name into the list, we could straight kick start the bulk! Waiting is kinda killing for audiophile, I know, know it very much cool2.gif
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length = 9 1/2 inches
height = 3 inches

weight = dun have weighing scale la tongue.gif

i currently place mine on top of my office's pc chapalang case. the ZERO's feet nicely fits the width of the case.
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not really la....the difference in bass between my Fubar II + Cute Battery II amp vs Zero is VERY minimal.

i noticed it coz i listen to metal...which isnt easy to get the bass kick in the first place.

other type of songs u probably wont notice it.
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pulled the trigger and wait for this baby to come biggrin.gif
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I just found out my dvd player has got both optical digital and analog out. so should be able to support the DAC, but I am not sure if the DAC will match to my tube amp soundstage 1.5 se?

If you read the head-fi thread, you will keep finding good review about zero DAC, catching up with the iBasso head amp.

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Just browsed through the thread in headfi (only around half of the 1xx pages) about this zero and it seems like there's only the same few person giving opinion on how good it is in all the pages and the comparison that made also limited to the few thing the few person owned. Anyway looks forward for more reviews from the buyers here.
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I just found out my dvd player has got both optical digital and analog out. so should be able to support the DAC, but I am not sure if the DAC will match to my tube amp soundstage 1.5 se?

If you read the head-fi thread, you will keep finding good review about zero DAC, catching up with the iBasso head amp.
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Just browsed through the thread in headfi (only around half of the 1xx pages) about this zero and it seems like there's only the same few person giving opinion on how good it is in all the pages and the comparison that made also limited to the few thing the few person owned. Anyway looks forward for more reviews from the buyers here.
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Hi there, I have seen headfier comparing this to Yulong's DAH1 which cost 3x than this DAC, althought the DAH1 is better but the ZERO's cost/performance ratio is certainly better smile.gif Anyway, guys here got Yulong DAH1, iBasso and Musiland MD10, perhaps we should do a real head-to-head review soon tongue.gif
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So mADmAn, any improvement over quite some period of burn-in? Or your unit is already at Empy's operational table? tongue.gif
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Another 15 days i poadah. Faster send to me lol. Just got a shipment of parts to build a discreet output stage. First come first serve babeh rclxms.gif
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Hello can i know this DAC can compete Prodigy HD2?
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Hello can i know this DAC can compete Prodigy HD2?
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wahhh.. can compete with DAH1 and ibasso???
the price is half as much.... drool.gif

in term of price-to-perfomance and value-for-money, i would say that zero DAC is one of the best... thumbup.gif

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wahhh.. can compete with DAH1 and ibasso???
the price is half as much....  drool.gif

in term of price-to-perfomance and value-for-money, i would say that zero DAC is one of the best...  thumbup.gif
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You own the Zero too smile.gif ? Can input some reviews.. ?
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juz heard a good review from headfi forumer...

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Guys, I have found some source for opa627, USD11 ~ 16/piece for new one (shipping not included), some used one for serious value of just around RM20/piece, interested? brows.gif
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Interested on it but I have no idea on how to swap them sad.gif
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Guys, I have found some source for opa627, USD11 ~ 16/piece for new one (shipping not included), some used one for serious value of just around RM20/piece, interested? brows.gif
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So for the Zero I would need 2 OPA627 and a Browndog adapter right?

Do you think can get the OPA627 already soldered on the browndog adapter, I lack the tools and probably the skill to assemble it myself sad.gif


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Interested on it but I have no idea on how to swap them sad.gif
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So for the Zero I would need 2 OPA627 and a Browndog adapter right?

Do you think can get the OPA627 already soldered on the browndog adapter, I lack the tools and probably the skill to assemble it myself sad.gif
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To swap opa627 into ZERO, you guys need 2 opa627 and soldered on browndog adapter, I found some soldered 627 on browndog, will research more before update you guys with the price smile.gif
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OPA627BP? or AP?
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Test Seven: Burr Brown OPA 627 BP on Browndog adaptor Price: £28 each (Total £56 for 2 singles) Browndog adaptor £5 Total: £61

Two words sum this chip up........ "absolute class" This is the only single chip in the test (the rest all being duals) and it was necessary to fit two single channel 627's onto a single to dual Browndog adaptor which Adapts two single-channel DIP-8 op-amps to a dual DIP-8 pinout. These 2 single channel op amps absolutely trounced anything that had gone before them in this test..... the width of the soundstage, the clarity and the sheer presence make this my choice of op amp for use in the Chiarra without a shadow of a doubt. The sound is just so "clean", so "natural", so "musical" and so "detailed" with the 627's on board. I said the AD 823 was "as close to headphone heaven I have yet been" The Burr Brown 627 "is" headphone heaven....... absolute class act. 10 / 10



wow look at this review, it is BP. must do the browndog lah. his price too high, who can get cheper..

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OPA627BP? or AP?
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Test Seven:  Burr Brown OPA 627 BP on Browndog adaptor  Price: £28 each (Total £56 for 2 singles) Browndog adaptor £5    Total: £61

Two words sum this chip up........ "absolute class" This is the only single chip in the test (the rest all being duals) and it was necessary to fit two single channel 627's onto a single to dual Browndog adaptor which Adapts two single-channel DIP-8 op-amps to a dual DIP-8 pinout.  These 2 single channel op amps absolutely trounced anything that had gone before them in this test..... the width of the soundstage, the clarity and the sheer presence make this my choice of op amp for use in the Chiarra without a shadow of a doubt. The sound is just so "clean", so "natural", so "musical" and so "detailed" with the 627's on board. I said the AD 823 was "as close to headphone heaven I have yet been" The Burr Brown 627 "is" headphone heaven....... absolute class act. 10 / 10
wow look at this review, it is BP. must do the browndog lah. his price too high, who can get cheper..
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Is this the browndog adapter you guys mentioning about? Normally how much does this thing cost? I need some reference to nego with the seller if that thing is browndog adapter smile.gif Seriously if those who are really serious about getting the best out of ZERO dac, should consider swap in OPA627 for the DAC section, 2 x OPA627 BP = USD22 plus another small fees for browndog adapter and perhaps some fees for DIY sifu to help u guys solder in, i think the cost should be just around RM100 and you get one of the best sound biggrin.gif
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Woot..seem like many people kena OPA627 poison...lol...
I can get OPA627AP at USD14 (including shipping to your doorstep) from oversea. But need to order mininum 4 pcs per batch (same shipping address).
It used to be USD12....but price increase out of suddent cry.gif cry.gif ....haiz..
But the browndog adapter (socket type) i cant find it cheap beside those at ebay and some online shop...ZZZz

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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Jan 31 2008, 11:54 AM)
Woot..seem like many people kena OPA627 poison...lol...
I can get OPA627AP at USD14 (including shipping to your doorstep) from oversea. But need to order mininum 4 pcs per batch (same shipping address).
It used to be USD12....but price increase out of suddent  cry.gif  cry.gif ....haiz..
But the browndog adapter (socket type) i cant find it cheap beside those at ebay and some online shop...ZZZz
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USD11 for BP & USD16 for AP smile.gif
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Is this the browndog adapter you guys mentioning about? Normally how much does this thing cost? I need some reference to nego with the seller if that thing is browndog adapter smile.gif Seriously if those who are really serious about getting the best out of ZERO dac, should consider swap in OPA627 for the DAC section, 2 x OPA627 BP = USD22 plus another small fees for browndog adapter and perhaps some fees for DIY sifu to help u guys solder in, i  think the cost should be just around RM100 and you get one of the best sound biggrin.gif
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LOL still no ppl confirm with me that the thingie inside the picture is browndog adapter?
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yes..it is a browndog adapter..But need to take note izzit socket or solder on...
For opamp rolling, end user will prefer socket type...smile.gif
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yes..it is a browndog adapter..But need to take note izzit socket or solder on...
For opamp rolling, end user will prefer socket type...smile.gif
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That one is DIP brows.gif Mike, how much you spent on this? Seriously i think i got a nice price biggrin.gif
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i still cant find cheap browndog adapter... sad.gif
only can find reasonable price OPA627AP
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guys...so sorry...me in the middle of moving office right now....so alot of things to do. need to setup cubicles, desks etc etc. so busy..now oso just only got home.

ive also confirmed a Maya44 with akabane. so hopefully he reads the PM i just sent him and mebbe can get the Maya44 tomorrow (friday) or saturday. then i can use the digital output on the card instead of the crappy mobo im using now.

as for ZERO vs HD2...dunno...never heard the HD2 before.

but... ZERO vs Fubar II+Cute Battery II amp... that one i know.

to simply put. the ZERO at almost 1/3 the price of the Fubar II+Cute Battery II, can seriously compete with them. there are some aspects where the ZERO is better...and there are some aspects where the Fubar is better. but the price point of the ZERO is a HUGE advantage imho.

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Is this the browndog adapter you guys talking about? Changing single op to dual op. I can get 5 for around RM10 if you guys want. There also the adapter to change SOIC to DIP.

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Is this the browndog adapter you guys talking about? Changing single op to dual op. I can get 5 for around RM10 if you guys want. There also the adapter to change SOIC to DIP.

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wow..that is cheap..but is only the pcb board rite?
Browndog adapter that i lookin for is like below:
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A complete with socket (DIP)
Can u find it? and how much?
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Yup, that's only for the pcb board. The dip cost around RM1 for 1 unit and the pin around RM3 for 40 together. It's a little bit cheaper but lazy to do the conversion. It's selling separately so need to do some solder job. So should be around RM20 to get 5 set.

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Yup, that's only for the pcb board. The dip cost around RM1 for 1 unit and the pin around RM3 for 40 together. It's a little bit cheaper but lazy to do the conversion. It's selling separately so need to do some solder job. So should be around RM20 to get 5 set.

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wow...that is not bad for a adapter..
Come come every1..let do a bulk oder to teNtiOn...I want 2 units!!
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i prefer to have the complete unit. i leceh to do the soldering, my skill also no good. is it necessary to be silvered ?
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Feb 1 2008, 06:08 PM)
wow...that is not bad for a adapter..
Come come every1..let do a bulk oder to teNtiOn...I want 2 units!!
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If really available i want 2 units too thumbup.gif (not sure where to use but keep it for future use tongue.gif DAH1's opamp is soldered so cant do anything about it sad.gif )
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If really available i want 2 units too  thumbup.gif (not sure where to use but keep it for future use tongue.gif DAH1's opamp is soldered so cant do anything about it sad.gif )
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U can un solder the existing opamp and replace with a DIP adapter...tongue.gif
Is a real sad case for DAH1 to solder the opamp!!
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Feb 1 2008, 09:57 PM)
U can un solder the existing opamp and replace with a DIP adapter...tongue.gif
Is a real sad case for DAH1 to solder the opamp!!
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Hehe, but technically it'll void the warranty isn't it sad.gif Nvm i'll do it after 1 year haha.
And to be frank i'm quite new to this opamp thingy, so gotta read and learn more too..
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Feb 1 2008, 06:08 PM)
wow...that is not bad for a adapter..
Come come every1..let do a bulk oder to teNtiOn...I want 2 units!!
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I can order for you if 5 set needed so didnt waste the extra pcb or pin. I'm actually ordering something for myself so tumpang me. It should take around 2 weeks to arrive based on my last experience. Anyway let me know latest on sunday cause i will mostly made my order on sunday so that it can send out on monday as requested by the shop.
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Tention,


i also net 1 set for my ZERO. Is it 1 set = 2 unit and it it come completely aseembled ??
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Tention,
i also net 1 set for my ZERO. Is it 1 set = 2 unit and it it come completely aseembled ??
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I have a brief discussion with teNtiOn. We will do a non-profit bulk for this browndog adapter. I will bulk 10 units for 1 time only. teNtiOn is so kind enough to help me make it into final product (No DIY, Plug and play tongue.gif). thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
The total cost for 10 unit will be: RM40 (parts) + RM15(Oversea Shipping) + RM5(Poslaju to me) = RM60
So 1 Unit will be RM6 +Postage fee to your door step. I dun offer any COD unless U can come to MMU Melaka. smile.gif

U guys need to be fast. Coz 1 unit of browndog adapter is selling like USD5 (excluding shipping fee) at Ebay!!!

Once again, this is a NON-Profit bulk brought by a music lover to another...

I dun want to take any deposit, but I will definately curse those who FFK after U confirm yr order!!!
PST me if U interested.

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Buyer list for Browndow Adapter (10 units only):
1. mikelanding - 3 units
2. nicholas_1213 - 3 units (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid]
3. Kyl3 - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid]
4. kwekeugene - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid]
5. ccschua - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid]
6. stormspider - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid]
Left 0 units..pls dun feel sorry!!


Those who interest in OPA627AP. The price is USD14 per unit(ship to your door step). Min order is 4 units,which mean min 4 units will ship to 1 address. U guys can sort out yourself to divide among them. If kena tax, U have to bear it (but I doubt U will kena). I still taking order for Opamp627AP.

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1) Important note: Due to CNY, the adapter only will be ready 2-3 weeks at best...Please dun rush me or teNtiOn brother...We do it for goold will and U dun pay anything up front..Pls understand..smile.gif
2) For those who order 1 X Adapter + 2 X OPA627AP, pls bank in USD28X3.25 + RM6 (Poslaju Fee) = RM103 (corrected..sorry) latest by (04/Feb/2008 Monday). If U want to sent together with Adapter pls add RM6 for it..pm me for bank detail
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5) On 04/Feb/08: All had paid up...Thank for the fast payment!! Will make order by 11.30pm tonite

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I'm not DIY guy, else I also get 1 set from u. how about the op627 any bulk?
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Yo mikelanding bro, already PM you.. and a BIG BIG THANK to bro teNtiOn for helping us (even help us to make into final product) notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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so we can straight get the browndog adapter den plug in 2 opa627 den we are ready to rock?
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so we can straight get the browndog adapter den plug in 2 opa627 den we are ready to rock?
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Yeah u r right, no DIY required rclxm9.gif Good for a DIY noob like me blush.gif
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so, anyone wanna grab 2?
i thk i'll grab 2 for the dac.
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so in total we need

1 x browndog adaptor
2 x OPA627

total = 1x RM 6 + 2 x USD 14 without postage. Am I correct ?
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so in total we need

1 x browndog adaptor
2 x OPA627

total =  1x RM 6 + 2 x USD 14 without postage. Am I correct ?
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ya correct...already got 2 forumers ordered 2X OPA627AP each. U can join this batch which will sent to my address...smile.gif

Pls PM me on anything about the OPA627..
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i'm considering of letting go my OPA637. anybody interested?
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Please remember to put my name up for 1 unit of Browndog smile.gif
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Please put my name for 1 unit browndog and 2xopa627
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LOL dual opa627 assembled on browndog for less than RM100 is tempting, i might consider to get one unit for my self LOL Mike, I will let you know my decision by 2moro tongue.gif poison poison
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i'm considering of letting go my OPA637. anybody interested?
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how muchy ?
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look like everyone interested in op627 upgrade, very confuse now doh.gif , I think i just wait for my zero arrive 1st, maybe I like the sound leh..
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i'm considering of letting go my OPA637. anybody interested?
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bro,best price please.
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how muchy ?
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bro,best price please.
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I can get some OPA637BP @USD15...let me know if U interested...

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pls pm bank account details and instruction for us to bank in before 4/2
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pls pm bank account details and instruction for us to bank in before 4/2
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I have PM U
Also I added my bank in detail on the post as well...smile.gif
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am i too late anyway?
can i still proceed my order?..
1 X Adapter + 2 X OPA627AP
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All had paid up!!..Nice nice rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

Buyer list for Browndow Adapter (10 units only):
1. mikelanding - 3 units
2. nicholas_1213 - 3 units (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid]
3. Kyl3 - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid]
4. kwekeugene - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid]
5. ccschua - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid]
6. stormspider - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid]

Left 0 units..pls dun feel sorry!!

For those who want OPA627AP (USD14 per pcs) or OPA637BP (USD15) excluding poslaju to your doorstep, still can order coz I will final confirm with my oversea friend around 11.pm tonite. HUrry or be sorry later..tongue.gif
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Feb 4 2008, 02:11 PM)
All had paid up!!..Nice nice rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

Buyer list for Browndow Adapter (10 units only):
1. mikelanding - 3 units
2. nicholas_1213  - 3 units (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid]
3. Kyl3 - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid]
4. kwekeugene - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid]
5. ccschua - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid]
6. stormspider - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid]

Left 0 units..pls dun feel sorry!!

For those who want OPA627AP (USD14 per pcs) or OPA637BP (USD15) excluding poslaju to your doorstep, still can order coz I will final confirm with my oversea friend around 11.pm tonite. HUrry or be sorry later..tongue.gif
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Wow so many ppl getting the opa627, hype of the month tongue.gif
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Seriously I have not listened to head phone for a long long time. I knew the hype is there. Can someone explain how is that Senheiser HD 550 compared to listening Stereo bookshelf speaker such as B&W.

rgds.
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post Feb 7 2008, 09:18 PM

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is this dac can be plug to other source, say mp3 player or dvd player...
if can, how?? coz i juz saw only spdif input at the dac..
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QUOTE(dark_evilz @ Feb 7 2008, 09:18 PM)
is this dac can be plug to other source, say mp3 player or dvd player...
if can, how?? coz i juz saw only spdif input at the dac..
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Normally DAC just accept signal then connect to the amplifier, the DAC only got RCA out, if your mp3 player or DVD player accepts RCA in, then you need a RCA to RCA cable. If accept mini stereo, then you need RCA to mini cable smile.gif
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hhmm... let say my mp3 player only have mini phone jack. Mean i need the mini to RCA cable, plug the mini to the mp3 player and plug the rca to the DAC. where?coaxial in?
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QUOTE(dark_evilz @ Feb 7 2008, 09:18 PM)
is this dac can be plug to other source, say mp3 player or dvd player...
if can, how?? coz i juz saw only spdif input at the dac..
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The Zero Dac can only accept digital signal using either Coaxial (RCA) or Toslink (Optical..

if your mp3 only had headphone out (mini jack) u cant used it with the dac..
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QUOTE(ferds @ Feb 7 2008, 10:20 PM)
The Zero Dac can only accept digital signal using either Coaxial (RCA) or Toslink (Optical..

if your mp3 only had headphone out (mini jack) u cant used it with the dac..
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are u positively sure bout that?? hmm.gif coz i juz happen to read few info that it can... juz need a right converter or cable.. so thats y i'm here to ask.... smile.gif

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QUOTE(dark_evilz @ Feb 8 2008, 04:35 PM)
are u positively sure bout that??  hmm.gif  coz i juz happen to read few info that it can... juz need a right converter or cable.. so thats y i'm here to ask....  smile.gif
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how about quoting that info u found? or mebbe post a link to it.

u can see from the pix in the front page that the zeros input is only optical or coaxial. doesnt support analog input.
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i juz google for it... forgot where i read it...


anyway, u mean that dac only support analog input from spdif right??
and say if my source like dvd player or mp3 player doesn't have the spdif, is there any solution to it? or it is juz impossibly can...
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QUOTE(dark_evilz @ Feb 8 2008, 05:24 PM)
i juz google for it... forgot where i read it...
anyway, u mean that dac only support analog input from spdif right??
and say if my source like dvd player or mp3 player doesn't have the spdif, is there any solution to it? or it is juz impossibly can...
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DIGITAL input only.. thats why its could dac - DIgital to analog converter..

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i'm asking if there any solution?? juz asking... i oredi know it take digital input only... whats your problem dude...zzzzz
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QUOTE(dark_evilz @ Feb 8 2008, 05:47 PM)
i'm asking if there any solution?? juz asking... i oredi know it take digital input only... whats your problem dude...zzzzz
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i dont have a problem.. im just giving you answers to your questions..

so you want solution.. OK.. u dont have a choice if your dvd/mp3 plyer dont have spdif out. U can either replace your player or buy ADC ( analog to digital converter) blink.gif


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not even this user posted image could help????
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i dont think that would work.. its only a I/O module..
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oh..ic. so i juz plug the dac to my pc then...

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if you really want to make it work.. this is what u need (though its not practical and it doesnt make sense rolleyes.gif )

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http://cgi.ebay.com/Kramer-6420-Stereo-Ana...7QQcmdZViewItem

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Emm .... I'm wondering did mADmAN send his unit for mod these few days? CNY is near to the end, any late comers wanna join us? tongue.gif
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post Feb 12 2008, 01:26 AM

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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Feb 2 2008, 11:36 AM)
I have a brief discussion with teNtiOn. We will do a non-profit bulk for this browndog adapter. I will bulk 10 units for 1 time only. teNtiOn is so kind enough to help me make it into final product (No DIY, Plug and play tongue.gif).
The total cost for 10 unit will be: RM40 (parts) + RM15(Oversea Shipping) + RM5(Poslaju to me) = RM60
So 1 Unit will be RM6 +Postage fee to your door step. I dun offer any COD unless U can come to MMU Melaka.
U guys need to be fast. Coz 1 unit of browndog adapter is selling like USD5 (excluding shipping fee) at Ebay!!!

Once again, this is a NON-Profit bulk brought by a music lover to another...

I dun want to take any deposit, but I will definately curse those who FFK after U confirm yr order!!!
PST me if U interested.

**Once again, credit to teNtiOn because he will spend his effort to make it into final product with NO CHARGE** 

Buyer list for Browndow Adapter (10 units only):
1. mikelanding - 3 units
2. nicholas_1213  - 3 units (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid]
3. Kyl3 - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid]
4. kwekeugene - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid]
5. ccschua - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid]
6. stormspider - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid]
Left 0 units..pls dun feel sorry!!
Those who interest in OPA627AP. The price is USD14 per unit(ship to your door step). Min order is 4 units,which mean min 4 units will ship to 1 address. U guys can sort out yourself to divide among them. If kena tax, U have to bear it (but I doubt U will kena). I still taking order for Opamp627AP.

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1) Important note: Due to CNY, the adapter only will be ready 2-3 weeks at best...Please dun rush me or teNtiOn brother...We do it for goold will and U dun pay anything up front..Pls understand..smile.gif
2) For those who order 1 X Adapter + 2 X OPA627AP, pls bank in USD28X3.25 + RM6 (Poslaju Fee) = RM103 (corrected..sorry) latest by (04/Feb/2008 Monday). If U want to sent together with Adapter pls add RM6 for it..pm me for bank detail
3) Bank in Detail. Pls PM me or Screen shot it once U have bank into me. TQ
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4) Sorry, It shoud be RM103 instead of early RM97.. Really Sorry about it notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
5) On 04/Feb/08: All had paid up...Thank for the fast payment!! Will make order by 11.30pm tonite
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Good new!!
The part for Browndog adapter had arrived early. It was unexpected because seller use EMS instead of normal mail. Some extra charges incurred but it all settle out between me and tention bro...Kudos to him!! thumbup.gif
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For the OPA627AP, it already sent out before CNY...should be arrived sometime this week or next...smile.gif
Will update from time to time.

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Wow, poison is here! Too bad the DAC still got 5 more days to start shipping sad.gif This is a freaking long CNY!

EDIT: 12th Feb, I just received a call from LT's Malaysia representative, emm .... those LT sample opamp unit is able to reach me by next week time tongue.gif Anyone else getting the LT sample unit?

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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Feb 10 2008, 08:03 PM)
Emm .... I'm wondering did mADmAN send his unit for mod these few days? CNY is near to the end, any late comers wanna join us? tongue.gif
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wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....just received a pm from empire32 and he wants to come and pick it up later in the evening rclxm9.gif

QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Feb 12 2008, 01:32 AM)
EDIT: 12th Feb, I just received a call from LT's Malaysia representative, emm .... those LT sample opamp unit is able to reach me by next week time  tongue.gif Anyone else getting the LT sample unit?[/b]
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uiks??? they contacted u?? so nice ah?? doh.gif why they never call me oso doh.gif
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mADmAN: I think the LT guy would contact you within these few days, cos if i'm not wrong we order roughly about the same day. He ask me about the usage of opamp, i said for Project, my college year-end project! a DAC project! LOL! Gosh, please forgive me for cheating a few FREE opamp tongue.gif

Anyway, looking forward to your hard-modded ZERO DAC brows.gif

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crap...now i gotta think of an excuse to tell the feller doh.gif
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Looks like I'll have to make some excuse too. But my status in LT says that it is "Shipped" since last week...

Yet to see or hear anytinhg sad.gif
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cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif

im currently ZERO-less til friday cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Feb 13 2008, 12:40 PM)
cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif

im currently ZERO-less til friday cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif

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ZERO-less till friday but HAPPY-ness till forever! abit over here! tongue.gif

Any guys here receive phone call from LT? Once my unit is here, will update u guys with the sound signature, hope that it's warm and smooth as OPA627, detail as LM4562 yet punchy as AD opamp! tongue.gif
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post Feb 13 2008, 06:51 PM

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Good new!!!
The OPA627AP had arrived safely!!
Picture time!!!
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I asked my friend to sent me more OPA627AP. So any1 who need can pst me. USD14 per piece + Rm6 poslaju fee.

I also got myself 4X OPA602AP. Just want to test out, compare to OPA627AP later...tongue.gif
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when u say USD14 per piece...

per piece u mean 1 complete set for 1 socket is it?? since the zero got 3 swappable sockets, meaning need 3 pieces?

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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Feb 13 2008, 06:51 PM)
Good new!!!
The OPA627AP had arrived safely!!
Picture time!!!
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I asked my friend to sent me more OPA627AP. So any1 who need can pst me. USD14 per piece + Rm6 poslaju fee.

I also got myself 4X OPA602AP. Just want to test out, compare to OPA627AP later...tongue.gif
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Wow, U got totally 24 pieces out there!!!! I thought u guys ordering only 10 pieces! I might need four OPA627AP, getting for my friend! Will come back to you very soon tongue.gif

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post Feb 14 2008, 12:42 AM

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Currently modding the DAC.

Stuff done so far,

1) Some cap replacement
2) Diode bypassing with ceramics to whack switching noise (since the spacing isn't suited to the fatter MUR820s)

The only complaint so far i have is with the bad soldering and cheap PCB, the plated holes seem to lift and crack everytime you desolder them, not any different with my ZL or the YuLongs i've worked on, though i wish something China made would have a good PCB.
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Feb 13 2008, 06:57 PM)
when u say USD14 per piece...

per piece u mean 1 complete set for 1 socket is it?? since the zero got 3 swappable sockets, meaning need 3 pieces?
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No...U need 1 unit of browndog adapter + 2 units of OPA627AP for 1 sockets. If u change all 3...u need to multuply by 3..which is QQ to me... tongue.gif
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so whats the complete cost for 1 socket?

Added on February 14, 2008, 11:01 am@empy....

if u still havent packed ur camera...take some pix man tongue.gif

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Feb 14 2008, 11:01 AM)
so whats the complete cost for 1 socket?

Added on February 14, 2008, 11:01 am@empy....

if u still havent packed ur camera...take some pix man tongue.gif
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For 1 socket (based on USD1 = RM3.25),
1 unit of browndog adapter (RM6) + 2 units of OPA627AP (2XUSD14X3.25) ~~ RM97

So 3 sockets = RM97X 3 = Rm291...haha...over half of the DAC price liao.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Feb 14 2008, 04:21 PM)
For 1 socket (based on USD1 = RM3.25),
1 unit of browndog adapter (RM6) + 2 units of OPA627AP (2XUSD14X3.25) ~~ RM97

So 3 sockets = RM97X 3 = Rm291...haha...over half of the DAC price liao.. tongue.gif
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I only hope zero DAC sound qlty suit my hearing. Top up another 3 sockets (RM300) into zero DAC, slightly expensive to me. sad.gif
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shocking.gif crap....thats friggin expensive.

spend money on DAC + spending money for empires mod + the OPA627 = moneyflies.gif

forget it....id rather use the money and buy more DAC's laugh.gif
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oooppps I never know we need 3 sets. Now can u tell me, do I need this OPA627 for the Preamp stage, i mean just output to amplifier and speakers (no head fi)

is it easy to swap the browndog? u need a crocodile clip right.
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QUOTE(utellme @ Feb 14 2008, 05:49 PM)
I only hope zero DAC sound qlty suit my hearing.  Top up another 3 sockets (RM300) into zero DAC, slightly expensive to me.  sad.gif
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I think the ZERO dac quality would satisfy you well, you can slowly play with it smile.gif

QUOTE(mADmAN @ Feb 14 2008, 06:11 PM)
shocking.gif crap....thats friggin expensive.

spend money on DAC + spending money for empires mod + the OPA627 = moneyflies.gif

forget it....id rather use the money and buy more DAC's laugh.gif
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LOL i think a OPA627 upgrade at the DAC section would be more than enough, should try the LM4562 at the headamp section since it's capable of driving high ohm headphone like your DT990 smile.gif

QUOTE(ccschua @ Feb 14 2008, 09:52 PM)
oooppps  I never know we need 3 sets. Now can u tell me, do I need this OPA627 for the Preamp stage, i mean just output to amplifier and speakers (no head fi)

is it easy to swap the browndog? u need a crocodile clip right.
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Well, you only need 1 set if you connect the DAC to amplifier and speaker smile.gif Ok, let me explain about this, inside the ZERO dac there are 3 set of opamp, one at the DAC section then another two at the headamp section. I guess change the DAC section's opamp to OPA627 is more than enough cos IMHO OPA627 at the headamp is abit overkill since I believe the headamp not quite state of the art design smile.gif

I think browndog is kinda plug and play thing, i'm not quite sure about the crocodile clip, let expert explain about this biggrin.gif
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Some good new!!
All Browndog adapter had been make into final product!! Big thank to tenTion bro for his help.

But....the bad new is: 2 out of 10 unit had some problem during making. tenTion told me he might be able to fix it. If worst case scenario, I will fork out my 2 units to let other got their adapter. Err...this mean I got no adapter liao cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif

Anyway, I recieved some interest for this adapter. I might organise another non-profit bulk for this browndog adapter. But I need help from other kind soul who can help us make it into final product...smile.gif Any volunteers?? tongue.gif

I will post some photo on the browndog once I back home...Picture poison alway work!! laugh.gif laugh.gif
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got any spare?? me thinks me interested in 1 unit...aka for 1 socket biggrin.gif
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wheeeeeeeeeeee
got my DAC back from empy!!! time to test it a lil biggrin.gif

empy....post the mods u did pls

people ask me i wont know oso laugh.gif
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Feb 15 2008, 02:41 PM)
wheeeeeeeeeeee
got my DAC back from empy!!! time to test it a lil biggrin.gif

empy....post the mods u did pls

people ask me i wont know oso laugh.gif
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Here is mah list of short mods. Could have done more with my osci and mm, but i'm leaving on monday, so didn't have enough time.

1. Diode Bypass (reduce noise)
2. Stability and Noise killing mod for digital section (PS bypass replaced with Silver Mica)
3. Ground loop breaker mod (better caps)
4. More capacitance for the main analog stage, from 4400uF to 6600uF
5. More capacitance for the digital stage with Silmic II parallel, from 2000uF to 2330uF and bypass.
6. Cap replacement on analog output stage
7. Film cap replacement with german Wimas near the clock, DAC and supply lines.

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got picture and review or not? how is the burn in?

is the delivery news of Zero available. is the browndog ready to deliver to us ?
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got picture and review or not? how is the burn in?

is the delivery news of Zero available. is the browndog ready to deliver to us ?
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As pormised earlier. Some picture on the adapter. They still at Tention bro hand. Picture taken by tention
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Bottom view..Nice pointin legs..hehe

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Holes to be fill by Opamp papa...tongue.gif

Attention to all who order:
1. mikelanding - 2 units
2. nicholas_1213 - 3 units (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid]
3. Kyl3 - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid]
4. kwekeugene - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid]
5. ccschua - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid]
6. stormspider - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid]
7. dark_evilz - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid]

Please email me your Shipping detail to shawn_tew at hotmail.com. Please do not pm me coz no more space liao sad.gif
Format as below:
Full name:
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Address:
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Once I got the adapter from tention bro, I will sent out to U all.

To other who interested to order the browndog adapter but miss the previous bulk. Good new!! I will organize another non-profit bulk around 1 week time. Price will be slightly higher (higher shipping cost) coz this batch only order the part for adapter without other items like last time. But dun worry, will be RM1-3 higher than previous bulk. Do pm or stated here if U are interested. smile.gif
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aiyo, really hope to see my zero arrive this weekend lah..
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Sorry for late announcement! As promised I'm here to let you guys know about the latest status:

As what I mentioned last time, too bad the stock unable to reach my supplier's hand by 3rd of February and the whole China is having mostly 2 weeks holiday since that day, and the logistic service my supplier used just back to normal activity on this Monday, so the stock is now on the way to the supplier, and it would reach by this Friday.

The supplier promised to send it out on Monday, I know you guys have been waiting long but hope that you guys understand the situation, all these China people have been in dilemma due to sudden snow bizarre and they nearly unable to balik kampung for CNY dude to transportation owned by the snow bizarre sad.gif

Anyway, that's all I could let you guys be updated, any latest update I will post it up ASAP smile.gif
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willing to wait but i'm going back to hometown for 2 months starting march
don think will bring back sad.gif
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QUOTE(dark_evilz @ Feb 21 2008, 10:36 AM)
no problem man, we all be patient.... its worth the wait...  thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Kyl3 @ Feb 21 2008, 11:51 AM)
willing to wait but i'm going back to hometown for 2 months starting march
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patience guys....itll be worth it.

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patience guys....itll be worth it.

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havent been listening to it lately....been too busy...cant concentrate doing work....headache like shit now with this stupid project sad.gif
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okie..so i got bored and decided to install the OPA2107 opamps into my ZERO...

Metallica - Through The Never
the highs are much tamer now...although even with stock it was real good already...but soundstage is VERY much improved. first time im hearing things where theyre really coming from... i.e left n behind and not just left only...that kinda thing...

also the intro to nothing else matters...im hearing where the guitar is echoing in the room. never heard that before...

there is 1 drawback though... mid range. the DT990 already has a recessed midrange...pair that with the airy sound signature of the 2107 the it makes the recessed midrange apparent.

lazy wanna take out and remove for now so ill just leave it be...i like the way it sounds oso anyway biggrin.gif
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madman: ur DAC modded by empire23 right? want to A/B test with his Yulong DAC (mod) ? the DAC is with me now. i am interested to test ur ZERO DAC as well. somemore i dont have qualified headphone to test it, i am using philips SHP2000.
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wanna test can...but when n where?? me busy with work...wanna ask u come office later boss will look 1 at me 1 kind tongue.gif

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Feb 21 2008, 07:50 PM)
wanna test can...but when n where?? me busy with work...wanna ask u come office later boss will look 1 at me 1 kind tongue.gif

i oso interested in testing Yulong brows.gif
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One thing i need to clarify: the DAC on my hand now is Zhaolu D2. not yulong dac. sorry for the mistake i made..
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then most likely there wont be much difference ler...coz the ZERO and Zhaolu are very similar. supposedly the ZERO designer used to work for Zhaolu oso laugh.gif
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Update!! All adapters safely reach my place liao. Thank U tenTion brother for his kind help. Doing some final Visual Inspection..hehehe. I will sent them out only by early next week because too bz with work atm.

Attention to all who order:
1. mikelanding - 2 units
2. nicholas_1213 - 3 units (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid][shipping detail received]
3. Kyl3 - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid][shipping detail received]
4. kwekeugene - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid][shipping detail received]
5. ccschua - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid][shipping detail received] - Your Fullname is Mitkey? Pls verify tongue.gif
6. stormspider - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid][shipping detail received]
7. dark_evilz - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid][shipping detail received]

I also got all shipping detail with me. Good.

For those who miss the previous bulk, there will be another non-profit bulk of 20 pcs browndog adapters comin in around 3-4 weeks time. Price yet to confirm. Might be increase a bit. Please book yr adapter if ya need. NO need pay first. But if U booked, pls dun FFK la..or I will blacklist U in my book.
Opa627AP still got like 8 pcs...USD14 + postage fee.

Cheer!
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is opa627 come with browndog? , I might get from you when I get my ZERO soon.
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QUOTE(wui223 @ Feb 21 2008, 08:30 PM)
ya time and place are problem. i am busy with study on the other hand. anyway i am studying in uniten now, staying near Seri Kembangan. Uniten is neighbour to UPM. i think we gonna arrange a meeting somewhere in march. where are u staying btw?
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Wui223, now only i know u study from uniten too. I'm graduating very soon lol..

If u guys wanna try the yulong DAH1, i have one and i can bring over, but unfortunately.. it wanna 'balik kampung' for a while to see his daddy lol.. actually something happen to it and i have to send it back to yulong to repair sad.gif not sure when it will return to me cry.gif
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Wui223, now only i know u study from uniten too. I'm graduating very soon lol..

If u guys wanna try the yulong DAH1, i have one and i can bring over, but unfortunately.. it wanna 'balik kampung' for a while to see his daddy lol.. actually something happen to it and i have to send it back to yulong to repair  sad.gif not sure when it will return to me  cry.gif
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Is it? i am final year first sem now, doing ME course. my full name is Chong Wui. maybe we can meet up at uniten?
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put me in for 1 unit of browndog adapters and 2 units of Opa627AP, thanks.
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QUOTE(utellme @ Feb 22 2008, 12:11 PM)
is opa627 come with browndog? , I might get from you when I get my ZERO soon.
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It not come with together. U need to pay for the adapter...smile.gif


QUOTE(Rock_Fever @ Feb 22 2008, 04:20 PM)
put me in for 1 unit of browndog adapters and 2 units of Opa627AP, thanks.
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Ok. Will let U know how much is the final price for the browndog adapter. It should be around RM7-9 per unit.
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so ur bulking the adapter only?

me wan a full complete unit (adapter + opamp)...meaning i get the stuff straight can plug in to the dadc already.

how much would that cost?

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Feb 22 2008, 04:48 PM)
so ur bulking the adapter only?

me wan a full complete unit (adapter + opamp)...meaning i get the stuff straight can plug in to the dadc already.

how much would that cost?
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I think u didnt follow this thread closely. But nvm..

I will bulk the adapters + OPA627AP ( got 8 units at my hand now). The adapter will take around 3-4Weeks to reach here.
1 Adapter = RM7-9
1 Opa627Ap = USD14 x 3.25 = RM46

so 1 full set will be arouond RM9 + (RM46 X 2) +RM6 (POslaju) = RM107

Hope this clear thing out.
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okie good....but when the set reaches me will it be ready to plug n play or will i have to solder things myself??
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okie good....but when the set reaches me will it be ready to plug n play or will i have to solder things myself??
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Plug and rock n roll, bro...smile.gif
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haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa......

thats what i wanna know!! rclxm9.gif

boss... 1 unit for me pls... thanks biggrin.gif

if i itchy for more ill let u know biggrin.gif
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Waiting for latest review smile.gif Especially mADmAN bro's modded unit, consider getting this for my beloved big bro with great enthusiasm in modding audio gadget smile.gif

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laugh.gif truthfully...i cant tell the difference.... but mebbe if i compare it side by side with stock i might be able to la... the change might be subtle.

as it is my belief... (especially in audio) people usually wont notice upgrades....but will definitely notice downgrades tongue.gif
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Feb 25 2008, 10:41 PM)
laugh.gif truthfully...i cant tell the difference.... but mebbe if i compare it side by side with stock i might be able to la... the change might be subtle.

as it is my belief... (especially in audio) people usually wont notice upgrades....but will definitely notice downgrades tongue.gif
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LOL I agree with mADmAN bro, A-B is important tongue.gif

Anyway, here is the latest update about the stock:

The supplier just sent it out today morning and it may reach the logistic company by Wednesday. So Thursday, the ZEROs will say bye bye to China and sleeping nicely until they say Hi to our Malaysia friends smile.gif
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Hmm... how long is the "sleeping" period tongue.gif ?

Can't wait for it to come. smile.gif
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Some update for me, I still havent post out any Browndog adapter +opa627ap yet. Really sorry about that, lot of equipment movements in my workplace...zzz..Weekend still need to work..><
I will post out sometime these 1-2 days..hopefull before U all receive yr Zero..
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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Feb 25 2008, 10:47 PM)
LOL I agree with mADmAN bro, A-B is important tongue.gif

Anyway, here is the latest update about the stock:

The supplier just sent it out today morning and it may reach the logistic company by Wednesday. So Thursday, the ZEROs will say bye bye to China and sleeping nicely until they say Hi to our Malaysia friends smile.gif
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The postage from china to malaysia will take how long ya?
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The postage from china to malaysia will take how long ya?
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It happen last time to my Darkvoice amp. laugh.gif
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The postage from china to malaysia will take how long ya?
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Around 2 weeks time by sea smile.gif
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Oh yea, completely forgot to ask you.

When Zero gets to Malaysia. Do we do a mass COD session or postage? Your location is in Ipoh?
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Oh yea, completely forgot to ask you.

When Zero gets to Malaysia. Do we do a mass COD session or postage? Your location is in Ipoh?
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Well, for KL people you may choose for mass COD when I pay visit at around 28th March or you may choose for postage if you cant wait, fees should be around RM20 within peninsular smile.gif For buyer from other state, I guess you gotta stick to postage or COD with me in Ipoh tongue.gif

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Today got some free time so doing some packing.Some picha to show!!

Adapter + 2XOPA627AP in bubble wrap...Look alike Dope eh? tongue.gif
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Dope with LYN nick on it to avoid confusion
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Next, I will wrap the "Dope" in newspaper and then mail with bubble wrap envelop...double protection...smile.gif


About next bulk, again browndog adapter will be a non-profit bulk. Part already ordered and will ship to my friend to DIY it. Still havent arrive yet. Hopefully by next 2 weeks can reach my hand..smile.gif. Other who interested do post here or PM me.
Next bulk order list:
1) Rock_Fever - 1 X Browndog adapter + 2X OPA627AP
2) Madman - 1 X Browndog adapter + 2X OPA627AP

Cheer
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I hope the postal service doesn't open and mess around with those opamps..
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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Feb 26 2008, 11:09 PM)
Well, for KL people you may choose for mass COD when I pay visit at around 28th March or you may choose for postage if you cant wait, fees should be around RM20 within peninsular smile.gif For buyer from other state, I guess you gotta stick to postage or COD with me in Ipoh tongue.gif
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OK, I've been reading through the reviews and I'm mighty interested to get a unit. Since this is a bulk, am I too late? Thanks.
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OK, I've been reading through the reviews and I'm mighty interested to get a unit. Since this is a bulk, am I too late? Thanks.
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Sorry, dude. It's too late for you, the shipment is on the way reaching Malaysia. Anyway, second bulk is going to kick start once the first bulk arrived smile.gif So you could join the second bulk, anyway thanks for your attention smile.gif
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Oh crap... can't order the Burr Brown then... or else have opamp no dac... crap...
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Feb 21 2008, 10:38 PM)
Update!! All adapters safely reach my place liao. Thank U tenTion brother for his kind help. Doing some final Visual Inspection..hehehe. I will sent them out only by early next week because too bz with work atm.

Attention to all who order:
1. mikelanding - 2 units
2. nicholas_1213 - 3 units (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid][shipping detail received]
3. Kyl3 - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid][shipping detail received]
4. kwekeugene - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid][shipping detail received]
5. ccschua - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid][shipping detail received] - Your Fullname is Mitkey? Pls verify tongue.gif
6. stormspider - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid][shipping detail received]
7. dark_evilz - 1 unit (+2 OPA627AP) [Paid][shipping detail received]

I also got all shipping detail with me. Good.

For those who miss the previous bulk, there will be another non-profit bulk of 20 pcs browndog adapters comin in around 3-4 weeks time. Price yet to confirm. Might be increase a bit. Please book yr adapter if ya need. NO need pay first. But if U booked, pls dun FFK la..or I will blacklist U in my book.
Opa627AP still got like 8 pcs...USD14 + postage fee.

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Dear All,
I have posted all units out just now. I will emal u guys individually the poslaju tracking number.
Let me know if U have recieve it.

Cheer.

Update:
Arrrgh....i forgot to refund some of u that payme extra due to atm bank in... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
I will contact u all to sort it out later...

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Hope can receive the DAC soon also smile.gif

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Received the package by my friend already rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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Receive the package of Browndog. Now waiting for the news of DAC.
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same here...opamp received and its already in my ZERO in the DAC section...

now waiting for next round opamp so i can transfer it to the headamp section...

most likely my final config would be...

1* opa2107 - DAC
2* op627 (full units) - headamp
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Yo, guys. Sorry for being no news updating for awhile, been very busy lately and I'm on high possibility on oversea working trip soon, hope to get the DACs arrived before I fly. Today I phone the representative for further news about the shipment, too bad she's taking leave and back on 2moro. Will update you guys regarding the latest news.

Anyway, I heard from her colleague, the kastam there are quite damn busy right now, thanks to the recent resumed logistic activity from China after long few weeks CNY holiday and the Malaysia General Election, maybe the head there taking extra caution to avoid caught of "illegal activity" tongue.gif Hope those head not cakap banyak biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Mar 11 2008, 08:19 PM)
same here...opamp received and its already in my ZERO in the DAC section...

now waiting for next round opamp so i can transfer it to the headamp section...

most likely my final config would be...

1* opa2107 - DAC
2* op627 (full units) - headamp
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Bro, wont it be lots better the OPA627 at the DAC section? I always think of the computering term, Garbage in Garbage out, I think the OPA627 is the better garbage than the opa2107 tongue.gif I think you should try the LME49720 at the headamp there, the LME49720 is quite fast, more detail and bass slam is quite good, best thing is you can get it from NS sample program, i think 3 unit of sample cost you around RM30 "processing" fees, you can use two at the headamp section, then last one you can use it on the DAC section, quite different sound signature compare to OPA family smile.gif Personally i think that the musical of OPA627 + speed, slam of LME49720 would bring your DT990 to another level, trust me, bro!

EDIT: I think the LT's malaysia representative FFK me, after so long they still havent send me the opamp unsure.gif

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Got my OPA627s too.. Now all I need is a Zero to plug it into... drool.gif
Thanks to bro mikelanding for taking the time and trouble to organise the bulk...
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I received my OPA627 too.

Many thanks for shawn and tention for bringing and soldering this in for us.
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QUOTE(Kyl3 @ Mar 10 2008, 04:42 PM)
Hope can receive the DAC soon also smile.gif

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Receive the package of Browndog. Now waiting for the news of DAC.
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Mar 11 2008, 08:19 PM)
same here...opamp received and its already in my ZERO in the DAC section...

now waiting for next round opamp so i can transfer it to the headamp section...

most likely my final config would be...

1* opa2107 - DAC
2* op627 (full units) - headamp
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QUOTE(stormspider @ Mar 11 2008, 09:04 PM)
Got my OPA627s too.. Now all I need is a Zero to plug it into...  drool.gif
Thanks to bro mikelanding for taking the time and trouble to organise the bulk...
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QUOTE(kwekeugene @ Mar 11 2008, 09:33 PM)
I received my OPA627 too.

Many thanks for shawn and tention for bringing and soldering this in for us.
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U all are welcome. I wrote the 6 poslaju forms till I want to cry..Imagine those bulker that had 20-30 order.... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
Now i know organize a bulk is not easy. hahha..
Anyway, another 20 adapter is on the way from my oversea friend. ETA will be this weekend or next week. Anyone want to order please let me know..smile.gif

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i'd received the opamp....thanks again mikelanding...
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Ok guys, times for some update. the DAC should be arrived on next Monday hope that it could all clear without any hassle from kastam and reach my hand before Thursday so that I could arrange further arrangement with you guys, and I could move on my oversea working trip without feeling sorry tongue.gif

So guys, after so many days of waiting! Finally it's payback time!!!!

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Will you be coming down to KL say next week early.
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Cool... Can't wait for next week to come...
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QUOTE(ccschua @ Mar 13 2008, 12:01 AM)
Will you be coming down to KL say next week early.
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Cool... Can't wait for next week to come...
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Hi bro, I will only be at KL around end of March, will trying to do a massive COD with KL people, so we could exchange some idea too smile.gif
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Well then that makes it...

Can't wait for the next two weeks to past... thumbup.gif

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Brother, I am seriously consider the courier. I dont mind paying for it bcos i cant wait to see the baby
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Brother, I am seriously consider the courier. I dont mind paying for it bcos i cant wait to see the baby
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I know the feeling of waiting, I also cant wait to deliver this to you guys, hope that you read through my last few posting, I'm on oversea working trip next Thursday, If I able to receive it before Thursday, sure I would courier it ASAP as you wish tongue.gif
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My LinearTech samples finally arrived. smile.gif

I ordered on Jan 30th, so you guys might have to wait a little while before getting the op-amps.

@GodLuvSxs,

Any updates tongue.gif ?
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My LinearTech samples finally arrived. smile.gif

I ordered on Jan 30th, so you guys might have to wait a little while before getting the op-amps.

@GodLuvSxs,

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Your sample just arrived? I must go back home check later!

The ZEROs is currently at KASTAM there, dunno how many days they will harass our lovely DAC then finally they will satisfy and let it go, hope to get them before Thursday, else you guys have to wait till I coming back from oversea trip sad.gif
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how long is ur overseas trip?

EDIT: MSN me..

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Daily update: The ZEROs still at the Kastam there, heard from the logistic representative that high chance it cant reach by Thursday due to Kastam's high traffic volume, let's see how it's going to be!

Anyway my supplier send me a great news, he's shipping me along some decent Choseal brand 4N OFC interconnect as freebies, hope that it's performance is up to par with Canare's , so guys please choose one, RCA-RCA or RCA-mini?
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Can I have both ah.. joking.

I prefer RCA-RCA. If u have additional RCA-mini, i play to buy
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I'll have the RCA-Mini


How long is your oversea's trip? Since we waited so long already, tongue.gif a few more days wouldn't hurt...
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Guys how do u find the forum in Headfi on ZERO thread headed by Penchuum. Looks like Zero is getting more and more popular, due to the fact rolling amps of all kinds sorts of giving the kick. I hope to roll the browndog, once i burn it in and hope to get one pair of good speaker to replace my KEF Cresta 10 (known for smooth and clear).

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Can I have both ah.. joking.

I prefer RCA-RCA. If u have additional RCA-mini, i play to buy
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I think I only able to provide you either one, cos I dont have much in hand tongue.gif

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I'll have the RCA-Mini
How long is your oversea's trip? Since we waited so long already, tongue.gif a few more days wouldn't hurt...
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My oversea trip planning is good so far, actually I feel sorry to let you guys waited for so long, I promise I will plan properly next time. My LT opamp sample unit aint coming in sad.gif Bad bad ... I got a good feeling the ZEROs would sounds great with the LT1364, cos I seen some review about this unit about opamp rolling in LD MK1 headamp, it sounds quite balance to me:

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Guys how do u find the forum in Headfi on ZERO thread headed by Penchuum. Looks like Zero is getting more and more popular, due to the fact rolling amps of all kinds sorts of giving the kick. I hope to roll the browndog, once i burn it in and hope to get one pair of good speaker to replace my KEF Cresta 10 (known for smooth and clear).
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I think your KEF Cresta 10 is quite good wo, maybe it's time for floorstander? What amp you are using?
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I saw this return address at the back of my LT package. It looks like they are the local distributors for LT in Malaysia. Here's the info...

WesCal Electronics Sdn Bhd
Tel : 03-78778175
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I would like a Mini - RCA one... thanks...
Luckily I haven't jump the gun and order a DIY cable from a from LYN forumer... lol
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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Mar 18 2008, 08:40 PM)
Daily update: The ZEROs still at the Kastam there, heard from the logistic representative that high chance it cant reach by Thursday due to Kastam's high traffic volume, let's see how it's going to be!

Anyway my supplier send me a great news, he's shipping me along some decent Choseal brand 4N OFC interconnect as freebies, hope that it's performance is up to par with Canare's , so guys please choose one, RCA-RCA or RCA-mini?
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I'll prefer RCA-RCA, Thx
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i prefer the Mini - RCA ... thanks...
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I would like a Mini - RCA one... thanks...
Luckily I haven't jump the gun and order a DIY cable from a from LYN forumer... lol
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I'll prefer RCA-RCA,  Thx
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Ok, noted. How about others? Rock_Fever, Andiboi and Kyl3?

I think the 4N OFC is quite ok, i'm going to do some DIY cable experiment soon, trying to build a better quality cable with the same price offered around in lowyat.net tongue.gif
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rca-mini will do, don thk able to connect it to my speaker anyway, will use it for headphone only biggrin.gif
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i really cant wait til u guys to get ur ZEROs man and start enjoying what ive been enjoying for the past month or so (jeles or not laugh.gif )
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hey TS, if self collect in ipoh where will it be?
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hey TS, if self collect in ipoh where will it be?
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Emmm ... I'm from Ipoh Garden, may I know where your place is? If you are staying nearby me, we can arrange somewhere around Jusco or Tesco. Else i think DBI area is the best place, central of the city smile.gif
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Jusco or Tesco is fine for me as i stay around the klebang area.
Will let u know if i want to self collect or postage
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Tomorrow's a public holiday, don't think will reach ur hand tomorrow. How long is your trip, when will you be back?
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Jusco or Tesco is fine for me as i stay around the klebang area.
Will let u know if i want to self collect or postage
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Ok, will contact you again for further details.

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Tomorrow's a public holiday, don't think will reach ur hand tomorrow. How long is your trip, when will you be back?
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Phew, just back from work! Too bad to tell you guys that I only able to deliver the ZEROs once I'm back, if nothing goes wrong, I would be back on 31th and once I step down from the plane, will straight rush to Serdang there to collect the ZEROs. I guess I would be arranging COD session around evening time, at maybe KL sentral station.
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Ahh, have to wait for another few weeks
anyway good luck for ur working trip
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Hi all,
Good new to those who miss the 1st non-profit bulk!!
Another 20 pcs Browndog adapters already arrived at my hand and ready to ship out.
Those in the 2nd bulk list below. Please pm me if U still interested..
2nd bulk order list:
1) Rock_Fever - 1 X Browndog adapter + 2X OPA627AP
2) Madman - 2 X Browndog adapter + 4X OPA627AP
3) xtremedummy - 2 X Browndog adapter + 2X OPA627AP

Price for browndog will be increase to RM9 per pcs coz it took 2 times airplane...lol..Taiwan to Philippine..then to Malaysia...tongue.gif

All Ready stock OPA627AP already been booked. If Any1 want OPA627AP, I need to get from my oversea friend. Leak time is 2 weeks.

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can i pair this zero dac to my edifier S530d?? i am using laptop.. currently using asus xonar u1 sound card.. kinda wan to upgrade mine to this. can this pair with my s530d? anyone plz help me.. i am a noobie in DAC related stuff rclxub.gif users of S530d who pair it with this DAC plz cum n give review n opinion.. tqtq rclxms.gif
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just to tease u fellers whos waiting for the zero and also the opa627..... my opa627 in DAC slot... brows.gif

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looks like the two green ceramic capacitor has to be bent to make way. what tools u used for the change?
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QUOTE(ccschua @ Mar 22 2008, 08:33 AM)
looks like the two green ceramic capacitor has to be bent to make way. what tools u used for the change?
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NO need special tool to swap opamp. Just use a smaller screw driver to slowly, carefully pry out the existing opamp.
Then slot in the new opamp WITH CORRECT ORIENTATION.
Be careful not to bend the pins of opamp or browndog adapter.

By the way, all people inside my 2nd bulk list, U all got PM. I will try to sent out 1-2 days time after the bank in..

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can i pair this zero dac to my edifier S530d?? i am using laptop.. currently using asus xonar u1 sound card.. kinda wan to upgrade mine to this. can this pair with my s530d? anyone plz help me.. i am a noobie in DAC related stuff  rclxub.gif users of S530d who pair it with this DAC plz cum n give review n opinion.. tqtq rclxms.gif
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IMHO the ZERO dac would sound great with Edifier S530d, because the S530 is known for great highs, neutral mid, which may abit less enjoyable for vocal playback, while the stock ZERO dac does come with "thick" sound and warmish , the synergy between them should be great!

mADmAN: How's the OPA627 sounds in the ZERO? Great?

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sounds alright imho.... the DAC section probably didnt affect much....now waiting for the opamps for my amp...no money to pay mike yet..have to wait til after gaij.

DACs from my experience dont really get much effect from opamps. amps on the other hand are significant.
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if pair with edifier s2.1m will good or not ? plan to get one
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if pair with edifier s2.1m will good or not ? plan to get one
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"IMHO the ZERO dac would sound great with Edifier S530D, because the S530D is known for great highs, neutral mid, which may abit less enjoyable for vocal playback, while the stock ZERO dac does come with "thick" sound and warmish , the synergy between them should be great!"

That's what GodLuvSxS mentioned before, S2.1M is S530D, S530D is S2.1m, i'm having the S2.1M too, would get this once money is available tongue.gif

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QUOTE(SandyPiggy @ Mar 26 2008, 08:42 PM)
"IMHO the ZERO dac would sound great with Edifier S530D, because the S530D is known for great highs, neutral mid, which may abit less enjoyable for vocal playback, while the stock ZERO dac does come with "thick" sound and warmish , the synergy between them should be great!"

That's what GodLuvSxS mentioned before, S2.1M is S530D, S530D is S2.1m, i'm having the S2.1M too, would get this once money is available tongue.gif
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s2.1m is s330 laugh.gif laugh.gif

s530 should call as s2.1d in tis moment i think hmm.gif
s730 --------->s2.1mk2

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Hi there, after browsing through some review, I found out that S2.1M is having the good highs and neutral mid type of sound, the bass is tight too. So I could safely assume that the warm sounding ZERO dac would sounds great with the S2.1M, great synergy I would say biggrin.gif
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hi godluv, u mention that u'll be at serdang on 31st...
well, is it possible if we do COD at that day coz i be at serdang to on 31st too...
on 1st april i'll be back to johor.
so if it possible, that would be good, but if u can't make it, postage is fine by me.
U do let me know ya... smile.gif

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Hi guys, I will be at KL this Sunday to arrange ZERO dac COD session and the logistic company promised to send the stock to my GF house 2moro, yup it's one day earlier than expected, thanks to the swift and smooth dealing during my oversea trip.

Those who are going to turn up for the mega COD session please do PM me your HP no and I'm now trying to work out the best possible COD place to avoid the weekend crazy jam. Any suggestion from you guys? Prefer not those shopping center, any LRT station?

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eh eh....i interested to join oso....just to be a busy body.... laugh.gif

if im free i come and kacau the COD session.....

post up time and place here yah....
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eh eh....i interested to join oso....just to be a busy body.... laugh.gif

if im free i come and kacau the COD session.....

post up time and place here yah....
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Ok may I suggest Serdang southcity plaza at the Parkson main entrance. can get free car park there. time around 11.30am

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Any other suggestions besides Serdang? Coz eventhough Cheras is very near I don't really know how to get to South City Plaza...lol

YES!!! Here comes the ZERO... another reason why I love my weekends... biggrin.gif
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nearby mentari shop lot(nearby taylors pj); shell petrol station..
spacious space there for cod plus sunday less people went there..
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You back so soon? I won't be around on Sunday for early "ching ming" at my hometown. How long will you be in KL?
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By the way, are u coming with the free cable ?? Is it too late to change the RCA to mini ?
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South City plaza, Mentari Sunway or any KL, Subang and PJ place are fine for me. COD after 2:30 pm will be superb.
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Ok ... to be fair to everybody, I suggest we COD at KL sentral station, it's center in between nearly every area, you could take LRT or KTM from your nearby area and drop by there, minus the traffic jam!

Somemore I'm a Ipoh guy plus I might not have the transport to go anywhere far cos I rely on my GF's car and it's might occupied during weekend, cos I gotta take Taxi to reach there.

The MEGA COD attentants (KL sentral, 3pm?)
1. stormspider
2. ccschua (dun worry dude, I will carry all the freebies cables and let you choose:D)
3. dark_evilz
4. Andiboi (HP no? Please let me know biggrin.gif)
5. utellme
6. mADmAN (kacau?! tongue.gif)

kwekeugene: I will be at KL till Thursday, is it possible to arrange COD at Bank of China or Ampang Park LRT station which is located nearby the KLCC? Actually if the Sunday Mega COD could arrange at either these two location, that would be wonderful!!!! So I could walk myself from my GF's resident and reach there with ease tongue.gif

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KL Sentral is a damn good idea actually..... i say meet at the starbucks there sometime after lunch on Sunday....

how how how?? brows.gif

mebbe i bring my modded ZERO there so can lansi to everyone laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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I have no problems with KL Sentral or any of the places that GodLuvSxS mentioned.,
3pm is ok with me rclxms.gif

If like madman says want to meet up earlier also no problem... Can get
the opportunity to meet up and get to know new friends and discuss how next to
empty our wallets... thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

PS: GodLuvSxS if you don't have transport on Sunday, you can actually let me know,
I can give you a ride from Ampang Park or Bank of China and help you transport the ZEROes
to KL Sentral... caused it should be quite heavy and troublesome to carry so much things
by yourself to KL Sentral... hmm.gif

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QUOTE(stormspider @ Mar 29 2008, 09:34 AM)
I have no problems with KL Sentral or any of the places that GodLuvSxS mentioned.,
3pm is ok with me  rclxms.gif

If like madman says want to meet up earlier also no problem... Can get
the opportunity to meet  up and get to know new friends and discuss how next to
empty our wallets...  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif

PS: GodLuvSxS if you don't have transport on Sunday, you can actually let me know,
I can give you a ride from Ampang Park or Bank of China and help you transport the ZEROes
to KL Sentral... caused it should be quite heavy and troublesome to carry so much things
by yourself to KL Sentral...  hmm.gif
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KL Sentral Sunday 3pm is fine to me, what about location ? Mcdonald?/Starbuck?,

GodLuvSXS : If Ampang Park or Bank of China or your girl place is much convenient to you, then I can COD there as well.
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Hey GodLuvSxS, do let me know when you going back to ipoh biggrin.gif
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Ampang park / bank of China is fine with me, if COD can be earlier. else KL sentral 3pm is fine also.
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kl sentral 3pm is good... let me know if has any changes.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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since everyone is OK with KL Sentral 3PM.....

i guess its KL Sentral 3PM la?

Starbucks ok??? dun wan McDonalds la.... too cramped and sure got damn alot of people...
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Okie, confirm KL sentral 3pm at Starbucks ... The stock already arrived at my GF house, and all 8 ZEROs safely arrived!

Bro Kyle: I will PM you once I back at Ipoh smile.gif

Bro Stormspider: I think i might need you to give me a ride from Bank of China tomorrow, anyway I will SMS and confirm with you 2moro morning, anyway thanks for your offer, really appreciate it!!!

Oh yeah, any of you guys got this Crossroad X3i and any portable media player? If do, could you please bring it along, I wanna do some head-to-head comparison with my new little toy tongue.gif
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my GF has the X3i...will take try and pinjam from her later....

but i dont have portable media player though
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Mar 29 2008, 04:32 PM)
my GF has the X3i...will take try and pinjam from her later....

but i dont have portable media player though
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Thanks bro mADmAN, hope to have it 2moro at the gathering biggrin.gif

Emm ... now that's only portable media player to fulfill, anyone? laugh.gif

EDIT: Hope to have portable media player because Starbucks got this power socket, we can try review the ZERO live and fight with mADmAN's modded unit, together with the OPA627, OPA2107(bro mADmAN please try to bring along tongue.gif), LME49720, OPA2604, too bad Bro kwekeugene not coming, else we got LT1364 and LT1469 to test too .... Opps, too bad we dont have headphone, any volunteer to bring along their beloved? DT990 whistling.gif biggrin.gif

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anyone with a laptop that has SPDIF out shoud bring theirs oso ler....

my attendance still not confirmed...need to refer to GF first sweat.gif

but ill try to be there la and if i come i bring my ZERO and DT990 as well..
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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Mar 29 2008, 04:23 PM)
Okie, confirm KL sentral 3pm at Starbucks ... The stock already arrived at my GF house, and all 8 ZEROs safely arrived!

Bro Kyle: I will PM you once I back at Ipoh smile.gif

Bro Stormspider: I think i might need you to give me a ride from Bank of China tomorrow, anyway I will SMS and confirm with you 2moro morning, anyway thanks for your offer, really appreciate it!!!

Oh yeah, any of you guys got this Crossroad X3i and any portable media player? If do, could you please bring it along, I wanna do some head-to-head comparison with my new little toy tongue.gif
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GodLuvSxS - No prob, let me know by around 1pm

I'll also bring along my X3i and a PK2 to play around...lol rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif




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I think no need SPDIF ready notebook because we got the USB to SPDIF converter LOL Anyone can bring along notebook? Sorry I got no notebook on my hand sad.gif

mADmAN: Try 100% to be there la, more ppl more merrier ma biggrin.gif
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hey steve,
did u get my pm anyway?
i been pming you since, but have no reply from you..
a little bit of curious, have you received my message?
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QUOTE(Andiboi @ Mar 30 2008, 12:01 AM)
hey steve,
did u get my pm anyway?
i been pming you since, but have no reply from you..
a little bit of curious, have you received my message?
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Sorry, Andy! I forgot to tell you when I'm ready to reply your PM, the connection is stuck and i'm unable to reply you. Anyway, you got PM reply biggrin.gif
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I think I may bring along my office notebook and also my AKG 171s...
Looks like a mini audiophile gathering... laugh.gif

Someone bring multiple power source adaptor... coz will need one power source for the notebook
and also one for the ZERO.. Don't think starbucks will have two individual power sockets next to each other...
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QUOTE(stormspider @ Mar 30 2008, 01:02 AM)
I think I may bring along my office notebook and also my AKG 171s...
Looks like a mini audiophile gathering... laugh.gif

Someone bring multiple power source adaptor... coz will need one power source for the notebook
and also one for the ZERO.. Don't think starbucks will have two individual power sockets next to each other...
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I will bring along the power source adaptor. Anyway another "attraction" for Bro mADmAN to attend, I got one extra LME49720, attractive? Emm ... I would like to have a cup of Caramel Macchiato and the LME49720 is yours tongue.gif
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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Mar 30 2008, 01:13 AM)
I will bring along the power source adaptor. Anyway another "attraction" for Bro mADmAN to attend, I got one extra LME49720, attractive? Emm ... I would like to have a cup of Caramel Macchiato and the LME49720 is yours tongue.gif
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GodLuvSxs, can I COD with you slightly early at Ampang area ard 10:00-11:00 AM, Maybe Bank Of China or Ampang Park or any place the convenient to you. I need to childcare my two kids as my wife going back to home town for "ChingMin" and properly not able to reach home before 2:30pm.
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Finally COD with Godluvsxs at KL Sentral. nice seller with a lot of freebies.

My setup

Sony DVD player NS76H -> Zero -> Soundstage 1.5 -> KEF Cresta 10

1st hour burn in, very shiok. test with Janis Ian, breaking silence and Guess u had to be there.. now can hear the bass and mid better. Improve soundstge. Bass is punchy, but is a bit stretch causing boominess at certain frequency.

next fourplay chant (pa pa pa ra pa pa ra papapapapa),andy Mckee art of motion, and NAIM test CD

Now the bass and instrument and high are begining to shine. as if the hidden instrument begin to uncover itself.

next come the women voices III, jennifer wernes, rebecca pidgeon, alison krauss. The vocal is more true, the speaker is disappearing more and more (but still there)

wait for next 24 hours.

really worth the investment and wait

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I wan my zero as well sad.gif
Very gatal already biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ccschua @ Mar 30 2008, 07:04 PM)
Finally COD with Godluvsxs at KL Sentral. nice seller with a lot of freebies.

My setup

Sony DVD player NS76H -> Zero -> Soundstage 1.5 -> KEF Cresta 10

1st hour burn in, very shiok. test with Janis Ian, breaking silence and Guess u had to be there.. now  can hear the bass and mid better. Improve soundstge. Bass is punchy, but is a bit stretch causing boominess at certain frequency.

next fourplay chant (pa pa pa ra pa pa ra papapapapa),andy Mckee art of motion,  and NAIM test CD

Now the bass and instrument and high are begining to shine. as if the hidden instrument begin to uncover itself.

next come the women voices III, jennifer wernes, rebecca pidgeon, alison krauss. The vocal is more true, the speaker is disappearing more and more (but still there)

wait for next 24 hours.

really worth the investment and wait
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Finally met with Godluvsxs today and COD at Bank OF China.

Just tried out for two hours, I think Zero need at least 10-15 break hrs, b4 you can feel the real musical sound from Zero.

Hi Guy, can someone show me some picture of the LM49720 installation. TIA
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1 review only so far????

cmon people..post up ur initial impressions la.......
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Mar 31 2008, 12:16 AM)
1 review only so far????

cmon people..post up ur initial impressions la.......
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It means they all still busy listening to it tongue.gif
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Mar 31 2008, 12:16 AM)
1 review only so far????

cmon people..post up ur initial impressions la.......
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The Zero need more times to burn in, I Reckon.
The reason I bought this Zero, mainly due to my two spare DVD players and I've plan to pair with my old DVD player as below
Samsung DVDP Or Toshiba DVDP -> Zero -> 13 yrs old Harmon Kardon AVR35 and my currently dedicated set is Marantz CD63 + NAD 320Bee.

Just tested two hours this evening, I reckon the music produced from Zero abit slow compared to CD63. CD63 much crispy, forward and detail sound, but a bit bright sound and also produce minor cripping when it's play those high b**** music. overall, it's not fair comparison - CD63 is direct RCA out and Samsung DVDP + Zero is Optical. I hv not try out to use Zero as preAmp pairing with the NAD 320Bee yet, anyway this my last option as I still think the Zero can pair well with my DVDP after sufficient hour burn in.







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Sorry couldn't really post any thing last night as I was totally wiped out..
In fact I fell asleep while listening to the Zero on my SR80s... Barely managed
to wake up and put the SR80s on my table before collapsing to bed again... rolleyes.gif

Well first things first, met fellow LYN forumers GodLuvSxS, DarkEvilz, Csschua, Madman
at KL Sentral Starbucks... very friendly people and fun to talk to. Managed to get a chance
to try Madman's Beyers.. which was worth the wait.. rclxms.gif

Didn't managed to hook up my Zeros to my PC till around 9... Well the Zero's are definitely
a bang for their buck.. Really happy with the performance.. The amp section drives my
AKGs perfectly and all the DAC part is solid in processing of the songs I played.. All the
small details such as the gasp as the singers take a breath in the middle of the song, the
tiny little background sound which you'll never notice on a normal headphones are all
brought out by the DAC...

Now at work but I left the Zero on to burn it in... Can't wait till it reaches the 100+ hour
mark so that I can swap the Opamps... icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(stormspider @ Mar 31 2008, 09:47 AM)

Now at work but I left the Zero on to burn it in... Can't wait till it reaches the 100+ hour
mark so that I can swap the Opamps...  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Ya...For those who brought the adapter +opamp627ap. Please dun swap it out with original yet...familiar with the original opamp, then after some time swap it with better opamp..BANG!!! U will sure notice the difference and improvement. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Mar 31 2008, 11:51 AM)
Ya...For those who brought the adapter +opamp627ap. Please dun swap it out with original yet...familiar with the original opamp, then after some time swap it with better opamp..BANG!!! U will sure notice the difference and improvement. rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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My main Zero purchase objective solely acted as DAC for my two old DVDP. but from the MadMan comments early, there isn't much sound improvement so I rather stay on to the original stock for the time being. Anyway can anyone guide or show me on the LM49720 installation.
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look at the LM49720. notice that 1 side has a notch or a circle on it?

next remove the opamp u wanna replace.... look at the socket... notice the socket has a notch on it as well??

make sure the notch/ circle on the opamp matches the socket. plug it in and ur done
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Mar 31 2008, 01:15 PM)
look at the LM49720. notice that 1 side has a notch or a circle on it?

next remove the opamp u wanna replace.... look at the socket... notice the socket has a notch on it as well??

make sure the notch/ circle on the opamp matches the socket. plug it in and ur done
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Hi MadMan, I'm electronic illiterate old guy, can shoot some picture for me here, so that I can start DIY once the Zero burnt in enough. I'm only interested on DAC section and I seldom listen music on my PC, hence headAmp is not important for me. current stock, bass a bit weak and vocal a bit soft. wonder how much improvement with the LM49720 replacement.
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haven't try my dac yet... still haven't buy the power plug converter...
since this thing is from china, do i have to worried bout the volt... it can be plug directly to malaysian 220~240v switch right?
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Finally i got the internet connection and see how you guys' unit performing! Currently surfing at CC while waiting for GF to finish facial biggrin.gif

utellme: Sorry for unable to provide pictures about how to sweep opamp correctly cos of no internect connect at my staying place until I back to my home biggrin.gif Hope that any kind soul here able to provide you the desired picture!

I think you guys should let the stock opamp burn in for at least 100 hours biggrin.gif I'm planning to get the LT1364 opamp directly from LT head office, the sample unit is too darn hard to get, estimate cost should be RM20 each, should be quite worth the money. Wait till bro kwekeugene review his unit with LT1364, see how well it sounds biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(dark_evilz @ Mar 31 2008, 03:04 PM)
haven't try my dac yet... still haven't buy the power plug converter...
since this thing is from china, do i have to worried bout the volt... it can be plug directly to malaysian 220~240v switch right?
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Sure, can plug straight without any hassle, u just cant plug those 110V directly cool2.gif

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QUOTE(dark_evilz @ Mar 31 2008, 03:04 PM)
haven't try my dac yet... still haven't buy the power plug converter...
since this thing is from china, do i have to worried bout the volt... it can be plug directly to malaysian 220~240v switch right?
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No worry, just use plug in. or u can use the normal computer power cable .
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Finally got my Zero today smile.gif

Optical out > Zero > Grado SR225

Just plugged in it, what I immediately noticed is the widened and more defined soundstage. In some songs, the highs were noticeably tamer, making it less fatiguing to listen to. The expanded soundstage makes the mids more prominent and clearer. Or rather, in layman terms, less congested. No hiss or background noise up till the 12 o'clock volume level, going all the way has some slight hiss. Certainly won't be noticeable if using efficient headphones since at 9 o'clock, it's already quite loud!

All of this is from a fresh unit, will do a further review once I get more hours in and start opamp rolling....

Note : the unit gets rather hot, probably 50-60 degrees. you guys having the same problem?
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Okie, guys! Gotta go now, been surfing for 4 hours in CC and finally GF is ready to be released from facial shop biggrin.gif Any question please contact me at 012-5690433 since I got no internet connection, thanks smile.gif Enjoy your ZERO wink.gif
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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Mar 31 2008, 03:09 PM)

I think you guys should let the stock opamp burn in for at least 100 hours biggrin.gif I'm planning to get the LT1364 opamp directly from LT head office, the sample unit is too darn hard to get, estimate cost should be RM20 each, should be quite worth the money. Wait till bro kwekeugene review his unit with LT1364, see how well it sounds biggrin.gif
Wah.. GodLuvSxS if your getting the LT1364 remember to let me know.. interested in getting it to try too... rclxms.gif
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http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f46/prelude-...617/index3.html
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f46/just-not...general-306913/
Somes prefer LT1361 over LT1469 and LT1364. rolleyes.gif But again, it's very subjective. nod.gif

Currently no money for Zero. doh.gif But I do have 2 brand new LT1361 lying down somewhere inside my room. brows.gif

p/s: It's prelude btw. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(BSOD @ Mar 31 2008, 09:35 PM)

Currently no money for Zero. doh.gif But I do have 2 brand new LT1361 lying down somewhere inside my room. brows.gif

p/s: It's prelude btw. tongue.gif
Hmm are u implying that your LT1361's are for sale?? hmm.gif
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The more I listen to it, the more i feel engaged.

just dig out those audiophile CD and replay those songs, I felt like being thrown into it. Can feel more warm and depth, and the sweetness of mid and highs.

wait another 24 hours.
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QUOTE(BSOD @ Mar 31 2008, 09:35 PM)
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f46/prelude-...617/index3.html
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f46/just-not...general-306913/
Somes prefer LT1361 over LT1469 and LT1364. rolleyes.gif But again, it's very subjective. nod.gif

Currently no money for Zero. doh.gif But I do have 2 brand new LT1361 lying down somewhere inside my room. brows.gif

p/s: It's prelude btw. tongue.gif
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Form the link, it seems that people tend to hv different opinion of the opamp swapping and there is no right or wrong, as it's very much matter of individual musical preference. but I don't mind to try out LT1364 just for RM20 if GodLuvSXS can get that for us.
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QUOTE(utellme @ Apr 1 2008, 10:29 AM)
Form the link, it seems that people tend to hv different opinion of the opamp swapping and there is no right or wrong, as it's very much matter of individual musical preference. but I don't mind to try out LT1364 just for RM20 if GodLuvSXS can get that for us.
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opamps rolling is a preference, a pure preference, there will not be the best on any combinations biggrin.gif
try to get some options, and try to search thru which opamps u love biggrin.gif
it is just a matters u need a mid strong bass, low deep bass, wide soundstage, narrow aggressive..and etc....
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QUOTE(BSOD @ Mar 31 2008, 09:35 PM)
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f46/prelude-...617/index3.html
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f46/just-not...general-306913/
Somes prefer LT1361 over LT1469 and LT1364. rolleyes.gif But again, it's very subjective. nod.gif

Currently no money for Zero. doh.gif But I do have 2 brand new LT1361 lying down somewhere inside my room. brows.gif

p/s: It's prelude btw. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(utellme @ Apr 1 2008, 10:29 AM)
Form the link, it seems that people tend to hv different opinion of the opamp swapping and there is no right or wrong, as it's very much matter of individual musical preference. but I don't mind to try out LT1364 just for RM20 if GodLuvSXS can get that for us.
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Well, actually I'm pondering whether to get LT1361 or LT1364, the LT1469 should be ruled out cos it sounds quite bright compare to those two, maybe I pay bro BSOD to ship over one of this LT1361 to bro Kwekeugene do a A-B review since he got the LT1364, maybe he would get poisoned biggrin.gif Last time I seen one review between OPA2111 and LT1364, the LT1364 comes out as a more all round performer, I think it's quality should be around OPA627 lvl biggrin.gif

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The LT's are ok. The 1361s have very nice mids but they lack transparency highs and bass. The lt1469 is insanely detailed but lacks mids and base. You will the most minute details possible with the lt1469, if a fly farted in the recording studio, you will hear it, but it's really not a very enjoyable experience since it's so darn bright. The lt1364 is somewhere in between and doesn't really have any discernible stand out qualities.

- Reviewed with Sennheiser headphone, I guess I'm more on LT1364 cos I love balance sound cool2.gif

Anyway, a notice to all interested audiophile: THE SECOND BULK KICKS START!!! Please proceed to counter get yours! cool.gif

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Zero burn in currently around 30 hours. Might start rolling earlier tongue.gif

Here's the op-amps I have
LT1361
LT1364
LT1057
LT1469
OPA627
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Zero burn in currently around 30 hours. Might start rolling earlier tongue.gif

Here's the op-amps I have
LT1361
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DAC / Amp :

LT1364 + LT1469 DAC=great, phone=great

LT1364 + LT1361 DAC=great, phone=great

LT1364 + LT1057 DAC=great, phone=good

LT1469 + LT1364 DAC=good, phone =good

LT1469 + LT1361 DAC=great, phone=great
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one question, where u guys buy opamp from?
hmmm?
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wrong post pulak... was confused with the bulk thread. doh.gif

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WHEEEEEEEEEE.....

already paid mike for the OPA627s....

now just waiting for them to arrive only... then my ZERO will have OP627s all around = total 3 complete units...

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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Apr 2 2008, 11:07 AM)
Well, actually I'm pondering whether to get LT1361 or LT1364, the LT1469 should be ruled out cos it sounds quite bright compare to those two, maybe I pay bro BSOD to ship over one of this LT1361 to bro Kwekeugene do a A-B review since he got the LT1364, maybe he would get poisoned biggrin.gif Last time I seen one review between OPA2111 and LT1364, the LT1364 comes out as a more all round performer, I think it's quality should be around OPA627 lvl biggrin.gif

EDIT:

- Reviewed with Sennheiser headphone, I guess I'm more on LT1364 cos I love balance sound cool2.gif

Anyway, a notice to all interested audiophile: THE SECOND BULK KICKS START!!! Please proceed to counter get yours! cool.gif
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GodLuvSXS, if you can help us to get LT1364, LT1361 Or LT1469 then it will be good.

Added on April 3, 2008, 8:19 pm
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I saw this return address at the back of my LT package. It looks like they are the local distributors for LT in Malaysia. Here's the info...

WesCal Electronics Sdn Bhd
Tel : 03-78778175
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Look like this CO is located in leisure comm square, in PJ.
If they have stock Lt1364 , LT1469 or LT1361 then it will be handy.



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Sony DVD player NS76H -> Zero -> Soundstage 1.5 -> (KEF Cresta 10) replaced with B&W 602 S3

HIFI quality. extended soundstage. Warm and crisp. low volume playing is very enjoyable. feel the matching of amp and speakers. However the bass at certain frequency (may be the 80 or 100 hz) is not controlled. suspect 1. stand 2. the dac.

Dig back the women audiophile, and now with the B&W, i really feel the soundstage is there, as if the singer radiates no matter where i sit. When i sit right in front of the cd player, I can feel like holding the singer mic (as if the singer is there), the more I feel the speaker is gone. I am almost there, only to be awaken when the mid bass (not low bass, the speaker can go very low, it has 7" woofer) is present, a hum that is reavealing.

Feel like rolling the browndog now. has anyone started browndog. will the browndog give me extended bass, or which opamp will give me the more complete bass.

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I had about 50 hours on my Zero.

I just put in the OPA627 a mins ago. All I can say is that it's awesome. With the stock OPA2604, I felt there was some veil to the music, with the OPA627, crystal clear. The mids are very enjoyable smile.gif
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QUOTE(kwekeugene @ Apr 3 2008, 10:36 PM)
I had about 50 hours on my Zero.

I just put in the OPA627 a mins ago. All I can say is that it's awesome. With the stock OPA2604, I felt there was some veil to the music, with the OPA627, crystal clear. The mids are very enjoyable smile.gif
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I follow the thread, to discover when the phono turns green, I can use the knob to control the volume. I must say I am very happy with soundstage 1.5 tubeamp.
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Hi guys, I just back at my own home! Last time I did inquire price from the local distributer of LT, guess what?! He charge me RM30 each for 12pcs and shipping from Singapore not included!!! I guess that's a no no!

Wow, seems like you guys enjoy the DAC very much, I'm so glad tongue.gif I guess few more days later, the stock OPA2604 will reach it's peak, that's time for opamp swapping biggrin.gif

Kwekeugene: Did you tried LT1364 on the DAC section? I'm eager to know how it's going performing tongue.gif

mADmAN: How the LME49720 fare in the DAC section? great?
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Apr 3 2008, 11:45 PM)
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i dunno how the LME is man... coz i think i misplaced it laugh.gif

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Great, just hope that you dont throw it like wrap tissue paper XD Anyone here wanna try OPA2111? Might bring in some along next bulk, it's also quite an all-round opamp, price should be around RM30, you guys may google it biggrin.gif
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So far this is the Opamp I tested in the DAC section. Need to get some sort of plier to get to the opamps from the amp section. It's quite tight to reach....

OPA2604
Heavy on bass, shy of highs, however seductive mids. A tube like sound signature. Has a laid back nature which makes listening to it non-fatiguing at all.

OPA627
Overall the better DAC. I noticed for the 1st time in some songs the voice of the backup vocalist. I do find it rather revealing too, try playing poor recordings and it will show.

LT1361
Not bad at all but lacks the "wow" factor. Less revealing than the OPA627, but overall it's quite decent.
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QUOTE(kwekeugene @ Apr 4 2008, 12:21 AM)
So far this is the Opamp I tested in the DAC section. Need to get some sort of plier to get to the opamps from the amp section. It's quite tight to reach....

OPA2604
Heavy on bass, shy of highs, however seductive mids. A tube like sound signature. Has a laid back nature which makes listening to it non-fatiguing at all.

OPA627
Overall the better DAC. I noticed for the 1st time in some songs the voice of the backup vocalist. I do find it rather revealing too, try playing poor recordings and it will show.

LT1361
Not bad at all but lacks the "wow" factor. Less revealing than the OPA627, but overall it's quite decent.
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after 5 days - almost accumulated 15 hrs burnt in, currently my setting is
1. Marantz CD63SE (MaxCable - Optical) ---> ZERO (DAC-only) ---> NAD320Bee ---> Cambridge SoundWork (Passive Woofer) + Mission 771E spk.
2. Samsung S128 (DIY - Canare Crump plug + Belden 1694A ) ----> ZERO (DAC-only) ---> Harmon Kardon AVR 35 ---> Mission 773E spk.

I really like the 1st setting, it really bring out very clear and sweet sound from the my Mission spks.


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utellme,

I think if you want absolutely all the details in music, try the OPA627s.
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I'm just scare, I will be disappointted after swap in the expensive 3 set opa627. sad.gif prior to this Zero, both my marantz CD and Mission spks are good in vocal but leaking a bit bass, that is why, I used passive wf. anyway, the stock opamp did really add in some tube amp sensation which is amazing to me.

I'll wrote wescal(KL) to ask about LT1364 and Lt1361 and hope they will come back to me. Since its cheap not harm trying mah, is still not satisfy then try opa627 in the DAC section.
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QUOTE(utellme @ Apr 4 2008, 02:18 PM)
I'm just scare, I will be disappointted after swap in the expensive 3 set opa627.  sad.gif      prior to this Zero,  both my marantz CD and Mission spks are good in vocal but leaking a bit bass, that is why, I used passive wf.  anyway,  the stock opamp did really add in some tube amp sensation which is amazing to me.

I'll wrote wescal(KL) to ask about LT1364 and Lt1361 and hope they will come back to me.  Since its cheap not harm trying mah, is still not satisfy then try opa627 in the DAC section.
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QUOTE(utellme @ Apr 4 2008, 02:18 PM)
I'm just scare, I will be disappointted after swap in the expensive 3 set opa627.  sad.gif      prior to this Zero,  both my marantz CD and Mission spks are good in vocal but leaking a bit bass, that is why, I used passive wf.  anyway,  the stock opamp did really add in some tube amp sensation which is amazing to me.

I'll wrote wescal(KL) to ask about LT1364 and Lt1361 and hope they will come back to me.  Since its cheap not harm trying mah, is still not satisfy then try opa627 in the DAC section.
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Hi bro, I guess you only need 1 set of OPA627 since you are stick with speaker setup, just change the OPA2604 in DAC section to OPA627 is good smile.gif I think the local price should be abit steep. Ok, I'm here officially announce a no service fees charge LT opamp bulk order.

Details:
LT1364 USD4.58/each x 3.2(conversion rate) = RM14.7 (Most balanced of the bunch, highly recommended)
LT1361 USD4.25/each x 3.2(conversion rate) = RM13.6 (Nice mid but lack of transparent high and bass)
LT1469 USD5.85/each x 3.2(conversion rate) = RM18.7 (Most detailed of the bunch but mid and bass not that great)

Shipping fees is USD34 per shipment, sorry for expensive rate cos it's the LT only settle for FeDex no other choice, let's say if total order unit is 20units, then USD34/20units = USD1.7/unit is the shipping rate, ok?

LT1364
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LT1361
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LT1469
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Let's fill up the blanks smile.gif

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Here's a little opamp review for Zero headphone amp. In the DAC section, I used the OPA627.

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LT1361
My favourtie of the bunch, it is very musical and provides adequate amount of details. The midrange is pretty good too. Listening to this, makes your feet go tapping smile.gif

LT1057
This opamp is not for everyone. It has a very prominent midrange at the expense of the highs. You could say it gives a very "acoustic" sound. It isn't very musical, and rock songs on this lacks excitement almost to the point of being boring.

LT1469
This opamp is kind of the opposite of the LT1057. Highs and lows at the expense of the midrange. I'm not sure bout this, bout I do find it rather revealing. Have you ever been to band performance, whereby the guitar and drums is really loud compared to the singer mic. That's what I think this opamp sounds like..

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I don't think there is a good or bad opamp in the Zero. It all comes down to your own preference. Some might looks for a easy going opamp while others prefer a more musical setup. Have fun rolling opamps!
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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Apr 4 2008, 02:35 PM)
Hi bro, I guess you only need 1 set of OPA627 since you are stick with speaker setup, just change the OPA2604 in DAC section to OPA627 is good smile.gif I think the local price should be abit steep. Ok, I'm here officially announce a no service fees charge LT opamp bulk order.

Details:
LT1364 USD4.58/each x 3.2(conversion rate) = RM14.7  (Most balanced of the bunch, highly recommended)
LT1361 USD4.25/each x 3.2(conversion rate) = RM13.6  (Nice mid but lack of transparent high and bass)
LT1469 USD5.85/each x 3.2(conversion rate) = RM18.7  (Most detailed of the bunch but mid and bass not that great)

Shipping fees is USD34 per shipment, sorry for expensive rate cos it's the LT only settle for FeDex no other choice, let's say if total order unit is 20units, then USD34/20units = USD1.7/unit is the shipping rate, ok?

LT1364
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LT1361
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LT1469
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Let's fill up the blanks smile.gif
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PM mikelanding... see if he has any to spare...

anyway.... i just tried my ZERO with my X3i. and i didnt like it. sounded very weird. bass was lacking and it was also very weird... like something not right. cant put my finger on it...but it just wasnt right for me.

but the X3i sounds superb direct from my W810i hmm.gif
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i used pc as my source..
my pc doesn't have the spdif connection so i used the convertor which i purchased from godluv as well.. my setup is like this: pc -> usb to spdif convertor -> zero dac -> ms-1
i been burning my zero for around 2 to 3 days.
i found out that, i am really really disappointed with the sound.. background noise is so obviously and i am using wma lossless which all from cd audio converted it. or i used audio cd to test as well.. background noise is real loud, overall high/mid/bass so "bad", cant reveal the feeling of that music.. so "digital"..
can anyone tell me what's wrong? is the converter cause all these problem or i need not used pc as source.. should i get a reliable cd player?.. or headphone problem? surprisingly setup of zune 30gb -> visely amp -> ms-1 is "FAR" better than the dac setup i mentioned above..

hmmmmm??
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Hmm... not sure about your problem. but I'm using the same setup as you,
PC > USB spdif converter> Speakers/Headphones but I don't have any background noise.. could it be that there's something wrong with the Zero you got?

I used a variety of sources from flac to mp3 which are only 128kb and haven't notice any background noise...
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what is ms-1? dont even know that ?suspect no amp?
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QUOTE(Andiboi @ Apr 4 2008, 08:23 PM)
i used pc as my source..
my pc doesn't have the spdif connection so i used the convertor which i purchased from godluv as well.. my setup is like this: pc -> usb to spdif convertor -> zero dac -> ms-1
i been burning my zero for around 2 to 3 days.
i found out that, i am really really disappointed with the sound.. background noise is so obviously and i am using wma lossless which all from cd audio converted it. or i used audio cd to test as well.. background noise is real loud, overall high/mid/bass so "bad", cant reveal the feeling of that music.. so "digital"..
can anyone tell me what's wrong? is the converter cause all these problem or i need not used pc as source.. should i get a reliable cd player?.. or headphone problem? surprisingly setup of zune 30gb -> visely amp -> ms-1 is "FAR" better than the dac setup i mentioned above..

hmmmmm??
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Emmm ... background noise is obvious, i guess maybe you try to shift the power cord's plug to another power socket, cos last time I put my Aego 2 on a power adapter with lots of plug on it ends up background noise appear, after I shift it, noise no more smile.gif And bro Andiboi , you try to make sure every single cable is plugged properly cos loose connection may contribute to noise smile.gif And did you ever tried to swap opamp? Maybe the opamp leg aint plugged in properly. I'm here to assist you to solve the problem, hope to see the result of the troubleshoot. Thanks smile.gif
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i'm using the same setup also... PC>USB spdif converter>Zero DAC>MS-1/senn hd555... didn't notice any noise. I even test the same setup n listen to madman DT990 that day, also haven't notice any noise.

I'd juz put the OPA627, very detail n cristal clear... thumbs up...
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hmm?..
let's forget about the noise issue.. what is your review with oem opamp and the setup that same as mine..
my short review after listen these few days, listen to like old vocal chinese song, the song is quite acceptable but the high doesn't shine, mid is weak and mostly covered by bass. listen to rock music, *shake head* channel separation is bad, when to the part that every instruments are beating and all i can say "bising" and not enjoying the music.
as conclusion: i am compromised with the sq, not the sq compromised me. a good sound quality doesn't need to be compromised.

now saving money for marantz cd5001 cd player and try to pair with this dac.

Opamps? i wonder where can i find it? my area is at petaling jaya/subang/sunway pyramid.

Thanks

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QUOTE(Andiboi @ Apr 4 2008, 10:31 PM)
hmm?..
let's forget about the noise issue.. what is your review with oem opamp and the setup that same as mine..
my short review after listen these few days, listen to like old vocal chinese song, the song is quite acceptable but the high doesn't shine, mid is weak and mostly covered by bass. listen to rock music, *shake head* channel separation is bad, when to the part that every instruments are beating and all i can say "bising" and not enjoying the music.
as conclusion: i am compromised with the sq, not the sq compromised me. a good sound quality doesn't need to be compromised.

now saving money for marantz cd5001 cd player and try to pair with this dac.

Opamps? i wonder where can i find it? my area is at petaling jaya/subang/sunway pyramid.

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The stock opamp tends to be sound tubey, the high certainly doesnt shine while mid and bass certainly more dominating, i guess the OPA family opamp certainly not your cup of tea, try the LME49720 I provided along, please do give the ZERO a chance before classify it as an "you compromised" unit, the LME49720 sounds more detail, fast and bass is tight. Maybe you anticipate a RM4k worth of sound in this RM400 unit, i guess that's why you are disappointed biggrin.gif
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Steve,

You know where I can get those opamp chipset heat sinks? I think I might need some since the LT1361 runs quite warm..
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QUOTE(kwekeugene @ Apr 4 2008, 11:09 PM)
Steve,

You know where I can get those opamp chipset heat sinks? I think I might need some since the LT1361 runs quite warm..
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I think you can get it from Moderno, try PM him smile.gif
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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Apr 4 2008, 10:54 PM)
The stock opamp tends to be sound tubey, the high certainly doesnt shine while mid and bass certainly more dominating, i guess the OPA family opamp certainly not your cup of tea, try the LME49720 I provided along, please do give the ZERO a chance before classify it as an "you compromised" unit, the LME49720 sounds more detail, fast and bass is tight. Maybe you anticipate a RM4k worth of sound in this RM400 unit, i guess that's why you are disappointed biggrin.gif
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one question: do i need to burn in the opamp? i mean if i change the opamp, do i need to burn in again? cause i change to lme49720, and spending few hours to play around the opamp rolling thing(kinda fun), i even put the opa2604 to head amp or the ne5532 to dac.. hahhaa... anyway between lme49720 and opa2604, i found that opa2604 is better than lme49720. cause at same volume which is quite loud, lme49720 hurt my ear and i turn the volume down and for some reason it still hurt my ear. if the answer of my question is yes, how long do i need to burn in the opamp?
i tried put the lme49720 to dac and opa2604 to head amp, i found that at the beginning of the song(i was like WOW, really nice), after awhile i found out that it sound getting worst at the middle of the song.. lol, i wonder why?


steve, i would like have lt1469,lt1364 and lt1361 opamps.
i getting addicted by playing opamps rolling stuff.

"third times of asking: i wish someone could tell me where to buy opamps beside online?"

Thanks smile.gif

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Just try the OPA627 on Browndog.

Now i listen to the music longer, till the song finish instead of jumping the 'fav' songs.

the feeling with OPA627 is quite obvious, so obvious and real that u think u are a step higher.

The bass and high is extended, more background music, giving the extension more depth.

However I feel the extended soundstage is making feel color or less neutral. (stock opamp is more tubelike, the vocal is rich and warm)

more so at certain knocking at guitar and drums. cant seem to hear the knocking coming out.

I just replaced the stock 2604 with browndog. Did I miss something?

site note : Boy, the feeling of this OPA627 is like opium.
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opa627 + browndog is way too expensive. >.<!
RM100 if i'm not mistaken.
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Hi all,
Since I got few pm about the opa627ap + browndog adapter. I guess is best for me to kick start 3rd Bulk.

I got 11 pcs Browndog adapters already arrived at my hand and ready to ship out. But the opa627ap need to order from my oversea friend. Min 4 units to kick start this bulk. ETA will be 1-2weeks after collected some deposit (RM15) to avoid FFK.
This might be the last bulk if all 11 pcs Browndog adapter finish coz too much hassle for me..sad.gif

Price will be
Browndog adapter (1 pc) =RM9 (with opamp), RM10 (alone)
Opa627AP (1 pc) = RM45.5
Poslaju fee+handling = RM6

note: 1 complete set will consist 1 Browndog adapter + 2 pcs opamp

Please pm me if U still interested..

1st Bulk order list:
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2nd bulk order list:
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3rd Bulk order list: (10 Browndog adapter left...grab it before it gone!!)
1) utellme - 1 X Browndog adapter + 2X OPA627AP

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QUOTE(Andiboi @ Apr 4 2008, 11:37 PM)
one question: do i need to burn in the opamp? i mean if i change the opamp, do i need to burn in again? cause i change to lme49720, and spending few hours to play around the opamp rolling thing(kinda fun), i even put the opa2604 to head amp or the ne5532 to dac.. hahhaa... anyway between lme49720 and opa2604, i found that opa2604 is better than lme49720. cause at same volume which is quite loud, lme49720 hurt my ear and i turn the volume down and for some reason it still hurt my ear. if the answer of my question is yes, how long do i need to burn in the opamp?
i tried put the lme49720 to dac and opa2604 to head amp, i found that at the beginning of the song(i was like WOW, really nice), after awhile i found out that it sound getting worst at the middle of the song.. lol, i wonder why?
steve, i would like have lt1469,lt1364 and lt1361 opamps.
i getting addicted by playing opamps rolling stuff.

"third times of asking: i wish someone could tell me where to buy opamps beside online?"

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Every new opamp need to burn in to reach the peak, around 50 hours it would have almost reach the peak smile.gif Anyway did you roll the opamp correctly? Every opamp got a small circle on one corner, make you follow the same direction where the default opamp at. Fail to do so may damage your unit, no joking!

Bro, i think you should only try replacing the opamp in DAC section (the big board), unless you got two same opamp then only try to swap the headamp section (small board), imagine your car one side is 15inch wheel while the other side is 16inch wheel, it would be very imbalance, an imbalance setup wouldn't gives you best performance. And a reminder for you guys, only use those double type opamp not single type opamp unless you able to browndog it biggrin.gif About the LT opamp, i think those who want should let me know ASAP, so that I could arrange the bulk faster smile.gif

I could only know the best way to get opamp is order online since i dont quite know where all those component shop and prices here are way overpriced. Bro Andiboi, if you encounter any question, please do seek for reference here first before take action, cos a slight error might damage your ZERO dac, dont be shy, just ask! I will try my best to answer you smile.gif

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QUOTE(Andiboi @ Apr 4 2008, 10:31 PM)
hmm?..
let's forget about the noise issue.. what is your review with oem opamp and the setup that same as mine..
my short review after listen these few days, listen to like old vocal chinese song, the song is quite acceptable but the high doesn't shine, mid is weak and mostly covered by bass. listen to rock music, *shake head* channel separation is bad, when to the part that every instruments are beating and all i can say "bising" and not enjoying the music.
as conclusion: i am compromised with the sq, not the sq compromised me. a good sound quality doesn't need to be compromised.

now saving money for marantz cd5001 cd player and try to pair with this dac.

Opamps? i wonder where can i find it? my area is at petaling jaya/subang/sunway pyramid.

Thanks
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you don't need marantz cd5001 to pair with the Zero, any normal DVDP can do the job.
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What happens if you mount the opamps in the wrong direction. Will I still get music, or it will be dead silent?
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i think the opamp would be burnt.... thats what was told me to when i got my first opamps...."stick it in properly, follow the notch otherwise the opamp will burn"

anyway.. as for the stock opamps...i kinda like them actually....especially with my DT990 which has extended highs and lows....and recessed midrange.

it actually helped to tame the highs on my DT990 abit. though bass was slightly lacking. but the mids were awesome. though yeah..sounds kinda tubey....but not by much imho. so it wasnt so boring listening to metal for me.

but after putting in the 2107, i dont think i can go back to stock opamps. tamed highs, better bass, and a lil recessed mids. i can live with it. excellent soundstage and detail honestly.

now i cant wait for my 2units of 627 to arrive from mike's 2nd bulk. then can plug in to the headamp section brows.gif
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Thanks for the info. So in total you'll have 3 dual OPA627s in your Zero. And you already upgraded yours with better caps/components earlier. I think the upgrades already cost as much as your Zero if not more tongue.gif

Ultimate Extreme Zero DAC/Amp?
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Emmm .... I just cant see any LME49720 impression in DAC section after few days of waiting? You guys threw the tissue paper wrap into rubbish bin ade? biggrin.gif
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Well I tried LME49720 but I dont seem to find any discernable diff. plus i was so eager to try out the OPA627, so cant comment much. do u need to burn in the OPA 627 or not ?
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After one day of listening intensively to the LT1361 in the amp section, I changed it to LT1364. I think this will be my final setup for now.

The LT1364 is very close to the LT1361 in everything except for midrange. For most songs, I found it rather lacking at the midrange and after listening for some time, it was fatiguing. LT1364 adds on to the midrange to make listening more natural while preserving the qualities of LT1361.

LT1057 is a no go for me, too much detail is lost in music. Didn't like the LT1469 either, too much of midrange is lost. How about you guys, what setup are you using?
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Well I tried LME49720 but I dont seem to find any discernable diff. plus i was so eager to try out the OPA627, so cant comment much. do u need to burn in the OPA 627 or not ?
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QUOTE(kwekeugene @ Apr 5 2008, 09:49 PM)
After one day of listening intensively to the LT1361 in the amp section, I changed it to LT1364.  I think this will be my final setup for now.

The LT1364 is very close to the LT1361 in everything except for midrange. For most songs, I found it rather lacking at the midrange and after listening for some time, it was fatiguing. LT1364 adds on to the midrange to make listening more natural while preserving the qualities of LT1361.

LT1057 is a no go for me, too much detail is lost in music. Didn't like the LT1469 either, too much of midrange is lost. How about you guys, what setup are you using?
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Looks like LT1364 performing quite all round, you should try it at the DAC area tongue.gif
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How is like comparing OPA 627 with LT 1364 in the DAC section? Has anyone tried it?
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LT1364 x2
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steve, count me in to the opamps bulk. smile.gif thanks.
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Thanks for the info. So in total you'll have 3 dual OPA627s in your Zero. And you already upgraded yours with better caps/components earlier. I think the upgrades already cost as much as your Zero if not more tongue.gif

Ultimate Extreme Zero DAC/Amp?
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Emmm .... I just cant see any LME49720 impression in DAC section after few days of waiting? You guys threw the tissue paper wrap into rubbish bin ade? biggrin.gif
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LT1364
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2. Andiboi
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LT1469
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Now we got the ball start kicking, anyone else? Target a 20 unit bulk smile.gif
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As I am going thru the thread, I found the experience is more rewarding if I try to experiment diff opamp and analyse the behaviors of opamp for your liking.Pls find review from lawrence here and lets see who wants what.

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I am highly recommended OPA627.
See below:

The op-amps used are generally of poor quality, corrupting the analogue signal, having a disastrous effect on the sonic capabilities of the CD player. The effects are a smearing of detail, reduced dynamics, congestion of instruments on complex music passages causing a mass of sound, rather than a spacious, airy, sound stage. The quality of the mid-high frequencies is particularly poor, where the mid-band is brittle and aggressive, and higher frequencies are edgy, cold and fatiguing to listen to.

The following op-amps produce the poorest results; NE5534, NJM2114, NE5532, NJM4558, NJM4560, AD711, AD712, LM833.

The performance of op-amps from different manufacturers varies considerably. Therefore, selecting a single type of op-amp to meet the parameters required for the analogue output stage involved analysing data sheets and conducting many listening tests.

The important parameters for sound quality are high speed (or bandwidth) low THD, fast settling, and low input noise. The most natural and musical sounding were FET-Input types as opposed to bipolar.

Burr Brown OPA 627 BP(single, ceramic) on Browndog adaptor
Price: US$28 each (Total US$56 for 2 singles) Browndog adaptor $5 Total: $61
Comment: Two words sum this chip up........ "absolute class" This is single chip and it was necessary to fit two single channel 627's onto a single to dual Browndog adaptor which Adapts two single-channel DIP-8 op-amps to a dual DIP-8 pinout. These 2 single channel op amps absolutely trounced anything that had gone before them ..... the width of the soundstage, the clarity and the sheer presence make this my choice of op amp for use in the Chiarra without a shadow of a doubt. The sound is just so "clean", so "natural", so "musical" and so "detailed" with the 627's on board. The Burr Brown 627 "is" headphone heaven....... absolute class act.


LM4562(dual, ceramic)
Price: US$30.
Comment : A "Very" revealing chip, sound similar to the OPA627 but puncher around the edges. I found this chip gave out "way" too much information for my liking. It is analytical to the point that certain pieces of music can become impossible to listen to, especially bad recordings, it reproduces every last detail / imperfection with microscopic accuracy which, at times, can be detrimental to the overall enjoyment of the music. For those that love a warts and all insight into the music then this is the star of the show but it may not be to everyone liking. It may be an op amp which can beat OPA627.

Burr Brown OPA2604 (dual, ceramic)
Price: US$10.
Comment: OPA2604 sounded very warm, very laid back and very easy to listen to but slightly veiled in the detail department. "Chocolaty" and "syrupy" though a good easy to listen to Op amp., This may just be what the doctor ordered for those who like a laid back, thick, chocolaty, easy going and easy to listen to sound.

Linear techonolgy LT1057(dual, ceramic)
Price: US$20,
Comment: Without a shadow of a doubt this op amp is the star of the the centry. Easy to listen to, easy to pick out every last detail and ever so natural. There was an ethereal quality to the sound that only ever heard on high quality loudspeaker based systems. It's hard to put what this op amp does into words but listening to the sound with it on board is as close to headphone heaven. Very analytical.

Linear techonolgy LT1028(single, ceramic) on Browndog adaptor
Price: US$15 each (Total US$30 for 2 singles) Browndog adaptor $5 Total: $35
Comment: It provided very similar results to the LT-1057 but each component of the sound was treated to an additional air of realism and effortless delivery that was immediately evident.

Linear techonolgy LT1028(single, metal) on Browndog adaptor
Price: US$25 each (Total US$50 for 2 singles) Browndog adaptor $5 Total: $52
Comment: It provided very similar results to the LT-1028 but the sound is ten times better LT-1028 with their punch , detail , range of frequency ..... especially the naturality.

Analog device AD797 (single, ceramic)
Price: US$25 each (Total US$50 for 2 singles) Browndog adaptor $5 Total: $52
Comment : Smooth, highly analytical, warm, uncoloured, laid back yet all detail is present (and then some) Very electrostatic quality to the sound with that super solid state bass underpinning the proceedings without overwhelming them. Start and stops are followed by an inky black silence and the timbre of the drums is very realistic indeed. Something that is very evident with this op amp is it's inherent ability to provide accurate timing which I really do like! There is no bass overhang, the drums start and stop as they should and, as a result, the timing is pretty much spot on. This is like listening to music with a stethoscope with the metronome ticking away in the background but it also adds a touch of valium to make the experience very bearable and extremely enjoyable.

Analog device DY2000 (dual, ceramic)
Price: US$20
Comment : These chips makes the sound more valve like than the tube sound ever did if that can possibly make any sense! Melodious, slightly laid back and warm yet it brings out every last bit of detail from a recording. Overall a very nice sound. A kind of hybrid valve and solid state mix which gives the best of both worlds. Nice smooth valve like mids and highs with lovely solid state bass oomph . This is the Op amp for those who prefer a valve like sound but would also like a solid state bottom end delivery. With this Op amp you can have your cake and eat it. Smooth as silk.

Analog device DY2000 (dual, metal)
Price: US$35.
Comment : It provided very similar results to the DY2000 ceramic but the sound is ten times better with their punch , detail , range of frequency ..... especially the naturality.
Thank you very much !

Best regards,
Lawrence


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ok, i have to start apologize my previous statement or feedback.

Today i spent 3 to 4 hours listening music(playing computer in the same time), i found out that what i listen is totally different to what i listen few days back. Everything is improved than b4, i never believe the term of "Burn-in" back then. Lol. I didn't know it can be such big different(HUGE) before burn-in and after burn-in. I really enjoy listening right now and haven't change any opamp yet(it's still all stock/oem). What i like now is the bass become more live and deep, voice become neutral than before, mid is clear and balance. Overall, it served me real well now. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Andiboi @ Apr 7 2008, 12:25 AM)
ok, i have to start apologize my previous statement or feedback.

Today i spent 3 to 4 hours listening music(playing computer in the same time), i found out that what i listen is totally different to what i listen few days back. Everything is improved than b4, i never believe the term of "Burn-in" back then. Lol. I didn't know it can be such big different(HUGE) before burn-in and after burn-in. I really enjoy listening right now and haven't change any opamp yet(it's still all stock/oem). What i like now is the bass become more live and deep, voice become neutral than before, mid is clear and balance. Overall, it served me real well now. biggrin.gif
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Emmm ... it's ok, it's usually takes time to make a doubter to become believer cool2.gif That's why I always mentioned always give around one week time for the gadget to burn in, it sounds lots different biggrin.gif

So still no body wanna follow up the LT opamp bulk? mADmAN? ccschua? dark_evilz? utellme? rolleyes.gif
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I think Lawrence's sound preference is more towards the "tube" sound signature. You can notice it in the stock Zero sound. And further stated with his support for the LT1057 tongue.gif
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Based on what Lawrence say make me tick for LT1057, AD797 on browndog and DY2000 (metal). I would also like to try LT1364.

kwekeugene, can i try yr opamp?
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Emmm ... it's ok, it's usually takes time to make a doubter to become believer  cool2.gif That's why I always mentioned always give around one week time for the gadget to burn in, it sounds lots different biggrin.gif

So still no body wanna follow up the LT opamp bulk? mADmAN? ccschua? dark_evilz? utellme?  rolleyes.gif
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How much does those opamp costs?
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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Apr 7 2008, 12:37 AM)
Emmm ... it's ok, it's usually takes time to make a doubter to become believer  cool2.gif That's why I always mentioned always give around one week time for the gadget to burn in, it sounds lots different biggrin.gif

So still no body wanna follow up the LT opamp bulk? mADmAN? ccschua? dark_evilz? utellme?  rolleyes.gif
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GodLuvSxs, I wld like this.

LT1364 x 1
LT1361 x 1
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QUOTE(ccschua @ Apr 7 2008, 09:31 AM)
Based on what Lawrence say make me tick for LT1057, AD797 on browndog and DY2000 (metal). I would also like to try LT1364.

kwekeugene, can i try yr opamp?
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QUOTE(utellme @ Apr 7 2008, 10:16 AM)
GodLuvSxs, I wld like this.

LT1364 x 1
LT1361 x 1
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Opps .... posted using GF's acc tongue.gif Will switch back to mine ASAP biggrin.gif

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How much does those opamp costs?
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Details:
LT1364 USD4.58/each x 3.3(conversion rate) = RM14.1 (Most balanced of the bunch, highly recommended)
LT1361 USD4.25/each x 3.3(conversion rate) = RM14.0 (Nice mid but lack of transparent high and bass)
LT1469 USD5.85/each x 3.3(conversion rate) = RM19.3 (Most detailed of the bunch but mid and bass not that great)

Shipping fees is USD34 per shipment, sorry for expensive rate cos it's the LT only settle for FeDex no other choice, let's say if total order unit is 20units, then USD34/20units = USD1.7/unit is the shipping rate

QUOTE(utellme @ Apr 7 2008, 10:16 AM)
GodLuvSxs, I wld like this.

LT1364 x 1
LT1361 x 1
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LT1364
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2. Andiboi
3. utellme
4.
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LT1361
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1. Andiboi
2. Andiboi
3. utellme
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LT1469
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1. Andiboi
2. Andiboi
3.
4.
5.

still got 12 unit to complete the 20 pcs bulk, or should we change to 15 unit bulk? sweat.gif

QUOTE(kwekeugene @ Apr 7 2008, 10:41 AM)
Sure, where's your location?
I think if you want to put it in the amp section you would need (2 units).
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I think bro utellme only using it as DAC connect to his speaker setup, rich dude which got place and money to setup speaker LOL So Bro what's your final combination in your ZERO right now? OPA627 in dac and LT1364 in amp? All opamp well burnt in?

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QUOTE(kwekeugene @ Apr 7 2008, 10:41 AM)
Sure, where's your location?
I think if you want to put it in the amp section you would need (2 units).
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Just give Steve some support on his opamp bulk biggrin.gif , I only use at DAC section, cuurently the Zero is paired with my NAD amp.
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I'll decide which one to buy later on, need to do some research first. LME49720 doesn't sounds nice with Katie Melua and Leann Rimes vocals, so I decide to change them biggrin.gif
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Not really well burnt in yet but the LT1364 is really scary la. It is so hot you can't touch it for more that 2-3 seconds with your finger.

The LT1057 is the best, runs very cool.
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i suggest getting them chipset heatsinks like the ones from zalman or even coolermaster. should help dissipate the heat a little.

of course itll be better if u can figure out a way to blow a fan on the heatsinks as well biggrin.gif

anyway.....

wooooohhhhoooooo!!!!.......... just received my last 2 units of opa627s....thanks mike!!! gonna install them now rclxm9.gif

Added on April 7, 2008, 4:06 pmall installed.... rclxm9.gif

headamp section....

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and finally.... THE ULTIMATE ZERO flex.gif bruce.gif
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Apr 7 2008, 03:24 PM)
@kwekeugene
i suggest getting them chipset heatsinks like the ones from zalman or even coolermaster. should help dissipate the heat a little.

of course itll be better if u can figure out a way to blow a fan on the heatsinks as well biggrin.gif

anyway.....

wooooohhhhoooooo!!!!.......... just received my last 2 units of opa627s....thanks mike!!! gonna install them now rclxm9.gif

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headamp section....

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and finally.... THE ULTIMATE ZERO flex.gif bruce.gif
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just only plug in mah...so cant really tell...

besides.. ive never heard the yulong nor even seen it in real life so i cant compare between the 2
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I guess yours will be super revealing. Haha tongue.gif You'll have a tough time looking for music which will sound perfect tongue.gif
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Well they are Ibasso, Yulong, Zhaolu (new version) and other DAC to compare with but it boils down to costs and the flexibility of rolling. With other DAC, any mistake in the swapping and soldering will fry the chip. Zero is just plug and play and good play ground before one matures.

how I do the burn in, feed the ZERO with thousands of mp3 with the headphone connected .. is there other way?

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I guess yours will be super revealing. Haha tongue.gif You'll have a tough time looking for music which will sound perfect tongue.gif
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Well they are Ibasso, Yulong, Zhaolu (new version) and other DAC to compare with but it boils down to costs and the flexibility of rolling. With other DAC, any mistake in the swapping and soldering will fry the chip.  Zero is just plug and play and good play ground before one matures.

how I do the burn in, feed the ZERO with thousands of mp3 with the headphone connected .. is there other way?
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Got mine yesterday at last. Sorry for the waiting again steve.

A question, sometimes when I change song, the first few seconds of the song like went crazy, like crackling sound, after that the song is fine.
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Got mine yesterday at last. Sorry for the waiting again steve.

A question, sometimes when I change song, the first few seconds of the song like went crazy, like crackling sound, after that the song is fine.
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Still on the stock opamp, was playing normal mp3s, it happens once in a while only.
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i faced this problem too.. i assumed that transferring signal from pc to dac isn't smooth or fast. i don know how tosay in the right way, but only agak agak say one..
cause when you open the DAC case, u can see the optical light. once it transferring the signal from pc(when i press Play in window media player), it light up(red light at the optical part there).. when it light up, the few sec(mostly half to 1 second) something like warming up(crack sound or weird sound or scary sound) then it start singing after that.

hmmm correct me if i'm wrong.
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Yeap, should be the transfer speed problem I guess as when I can't make the windows error sound out anymore if there's no other audio source.

Luckily it only happens once in a while biggrin.gif
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odd..... ive never had any of that problems with my ZERO.... optical or coaxial no problems at all man....both using onboard SPDIF and Maya44 SPDIF

u guys using the USB to optical converter?
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Steve,

1xLT1057,
1set of 2xAD797 on browndog and DY2000 (metal)
1xLT1364.

can u help on this.
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i faced this problem too.. i assumed that transferring signal from pc to dac isn't smooth or fast. i don know how tosay in the right way, but only agak agak say one..
cause when you open the DAC case, u can see the optical light. once it transferring the signal from pc(when i press Play in window media player), it light up(red light at the optical part there).. when it light up, the few sec(mostly half to 1 second) something like warming up(crack sound or weird sound or scary sound) then it start singing after that.

hmmm correct me if i'm wrong.
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Yeap, should be the transfer speed problem I guess as when I can't make the windows error sound out anymore if there's no other audio source.

Luckily it only happens once in a while biggrin.gif
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odd..... ive never had any of that problems with my ZERO.... optical or coaxial no problems at all man....both using onboard SPDIF and Maya44 SPDIF

u guys using the USB to optical converter?
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I guess should be the problem of USB converter, USB tend to in jam mode while computer in heavy usage, I think the less smooth operating contribute to the sudden spike while switching song:(

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Steve,

1xLT1057,
1set of 2xAD797 on browndog and DY2000 (metal)
1xLT1364.

can u help on this.
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LT1364
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1. Andiboi
2. Andiboi
3. utellme
4. Najimods
5. ccschua

LT1361
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1. Andiboi
2. Andiboi
3. utellme
4.
5.

LT1469
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1. Andiboi
2. Andiboi
3.
4.
5.

LT1057
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1. ccschua
2.
3.
4.
5.

ccschua: I think right now atm I could only try to help you get LT opamp first, the AD one i gotta source somewhere else sad.gif

9 more units to complete the target 20 units bulk, anyone else?

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those who are using PCs... check ur motherboard specs.. see if it has any SPDIF header or not. especially at the I/O ports at the back...if got...use that instead....

if dont have...check ur mobo manual. look for SPDIF pins on the motherboard itself. if got then use the SPDIF PCI bracket like the one i used....u can probably get this at sri computers or something...heck...check ur mobo package.. might even have it.

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this is what i used before i used the Maya44. works like a charm... no issues whatsoever and even had more volume than my Maya44. also easier to setup.
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I am looking for that actually, where you bought it? Sri comp?
How much is that ya?
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i didnt buy it.....

it came with my Biostar mobo.... so i just used it on my office MSI mobo... can use...

only thing is the wiring abit terbalik. so had to switch the thing around then kowtim.
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GodLuvSxS, I would like to buy one LT1364 please smile.gif
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QUOTE(Najmods @ Apr 8 2008, 08:50 PM)
I changed my mind, make it two LT1364 biggrin.gif
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2. utellme
3. Najimods x 2
4. ccschua
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LT1361
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1. Andiboi x 2
2. utellme
3.
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5.

LT1469
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1. Andiboi x 2
2.
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4.
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LT1057
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1. ccschua
2.
3.
4.
5.

Currently 12 units, bro mADmAN dont wanna try some? bro Kyl3, you would be bored with the stock opamp and LME49720 soon, try LT1364 and LT1469 la tongue.gif
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While I still prefer to have OPA627 in the DAC, I find the cello and bass guitars is missing. The sound of bass strumming seems rather weak. Perhaps I have tubeamp thats why I want to try the tube like LT1364, knowing that it will fry my fingers.

I would still love the rich vocals and the guitar/cello bass
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Let me play with it longer 1st biggrin.gif
Left my 627 at KL, have to go back and take, probably will take 2 units of LT1364 as well
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naah...me think me have to skip the offer for LT opamps this time around...

gotta concentrate all my fund to my car now which i just sent to the workshop for a makeover brows.gif

anyway...ive tried pairing my ZERO (DAC-OPA627) + Battery Cute II (OPA2107) and i like how it sounds... better me thinks than the ZERO's own amp.

but having problems with my battery amp now... after about 20 minutes the sounds just fades away and turns into distortion sad.gif

need to figure that one out... once thats done im gonna try the 627 in the battery amp.
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Would like to know can the zero dac sustain long hour usage? 12 hours or more biggrin.gif
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confirm can...thats what ive been doing almost everyday since i got my unit...
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bro godluv, did i miss the opamp bulk?? i need a pair of LT1364 for the amp section... do add me on the list "LT1364" x 2 if the bulk is still on.. tq..

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bro godluv, did i miss the opamp bulk?? i need a pair of LT1364 for the amp section... do add me on the list "LT1364" x 2 if the bulk is still on.. tq..
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1. Andiboi x 2
2. utellme
3. Najimods x 2
4. ccschua
5. dark_evilz x 2

LT1361
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1. Andiboi x 2
2. utellme
3.
4.
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LT1469
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1. Andiboi x 2
2.
3.
4.
5.

LT1057
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1. ccschua
2.
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4.
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6 more units to go ... come on!
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bro godluv, did i miss the opamp bulk?? i need a pair of LT1364 for the amp section... do add me on the list "LT1364" x 2 if the bulk is still on.. tq..
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How's your ZERO so far? Been lost of your progress so far, any improvement after some burn in? I think it's time for you change to MS2i tongue.gif
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LT1364
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1. utellme
2. Najimods x 2
3. ccschua
4. dark_evilz x 2
5.


LT1361
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1. utellme
2.
3.
4.
5.


LT1469
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1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

LT1057
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1. ccschua
2.
3.
4.
5.

sad.gif Bro Andiboi retreat from bulk order, somemore he's selling his ZERO off to fund another upgrade hmm.gif
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other than that, i found out that my hometown isn't in kl and i back to my hometown frequently. I wonder how i bring such bulky thing around each time i travel back sabah or kl? shocking.gif
Overall is good by performance/price ratio. The dac section performs quite good, only the headamp section(the opamps from headamp definitely need to be changes) drawback. nod.gif

I try dac section rca out to my visely hea-1, the sound quality improve a lot and got "the Feel back from music". rclxm9.gif




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Lai lai, put me in for 2 units of LT1364.
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Lai lai, put me in for 2 units of LT1364.
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LT1364
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1. utellme
2. Najimods x 2
3. ccschua
4. dark_evilz x 2
5. Kyl3 x 2


LT1361
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1. utellme
2.
3.
4.
5.


LT1469
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1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

LT1057
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1. ccschua
2.
3.
4.
5.
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anyone try it on hifi

currently

Marantz CD > tube > amp

now plan for a DAC
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anyone try it on hifi

currently

Marantz CD > tube > amp

now plan for a DAC
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Hi bro abel, below is bro ccschua's review of ZERO dac pairing with hifi setup,
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Finally COD with Godluvsxs at KL Sentral. nice seller with a lot of freebies.

My setup

Sony DVD player NS76H -> Zero -> Soundstage 1.5 -> KEF Cresta 10

1st hour burn in, very shiok. test with Janis Ian, breaking silence and Guess u had to be there.. now can hear the bass and mid better. Improve soundstge. Bass is punchy, but is a bit stretch causing boominess at certain frequency.

next fourplay chant (pa pa pa ra pa pa ra papapapapa),andy Mckee art of motion, and NAIM test CD

Now the bass and instrument and high are begining to shine. as if the hidden instrument begin to uncover itself.

next come the women voices III, jennifer wernes, rebecca pidgeon, alison krauss. The vocal is more true, the speaker is disappearing more and more (but still there)

wait for next 24 hours.

really worth the investment and wait


Hope it answered your question smile.gif

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GodLuvSxS, sorry but I have to bail out from the opamp bulk, I need the money on something else sad.gif
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a bit O/T here, can this opamp replace the opamp of the Audiotrak prodigy 7.1 Hifi??
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a bit O/T here, can this opamp replace the opamp of the Audiotrak prodigy 7.1 Hifi??
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how's the result will be then? any idea??
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how's the result will be then? any idea??
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this Zero very tempting smile.gif
bcoz just get a speaker cable out of RM now need to wait next month sad.gif

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this Zero very tempting smile.gif
bcoz just get a speaker cable out of RM now need to wait next month sad.gif
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Hehe cool2.gif The bulk is still open biggrin.gif
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Hi bro abel, below is bro ccschua's review of ZERO dac pairing with hifi setup,
Hope it answered your question smile.gif
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thanks man

refer to ccshua i prefer fourplay track 7 Bali Run the parts when start got soft ting ting sound ... mine just tinnng very soft n no extension i found my ICE the tinnggggg is longger extension my car CDP have dual 20bit Burr Brown DAC sad.gif

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has anyone compare this to the zhaolu?
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i wonder why nobody's going into the 2nd bulk yet.....

anyway.... ZERO owners!!! report in please... me wanna update the front page with a list of owners
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Zero user reporting in biggrin.gif
Very satisfied with the performance of this DAC as it sounds great to my ears
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LOL maybe those interested buyer scared of previous long period waiting biggrin.gif Emmm .... the opamp bulk seems like dragging for so long .... it's too bad sad.gif
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those nicks i missed out please report in as i damn lazy wanna go through page by page and see who has and who doesnt...

and if any names i accidentally put in and u dont have 1 oso lemme know...
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A notice to all interested buyer:

For those who are interested and dont really wanna feeling for waiting anymore, this is a great chance, I'm going to complete the 2nd bulk at latest Next Monday without having to meet the MOQ, so please do consider getting yourself one this time cos there would be less chance like this in the future unless I got the chance to combine shipping with other stuff again biggrin.gif Thanks
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tempted....sigh!!! if only less then rm300.... rolleyes.gif
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rolleyes.gif Anyone else interested? Hurry to grab this chance biggrin.gif Seem like all ZERO users busy listening to music, you guy's ZERO must kinda like getting enough of burn in, must be pretty impressive huh?
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can the headphone and lineout use at the same time?

thinking to get one dedicated DAC but currently i already have ibasso D1...no money ah, if have money no need to think. -.-''

do you guys think opamp upgrade is a must? roughly how much is the price for DAC + opamp upgrade?
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Wait for me!!!!
Lemme think...2 days time...
tempting
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opamp bulk still open???
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can the headphone and lineout use at the same time?

thinking to get one dedicated DAC but currently i already have ibasso D1...no money ah, if have money no need to think. -.-''

do you guys think opamp upgrade is a must? roughly how much is the price for DAC + opamp upgrade?
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Opamp upgrade is not a must but i suggest order one LT1364 from the opamp bulk order to try, i think it would gives you a brand new tonal compare to the stock OPA2604. I might consider getting half amount as deposit and clear the payment when DAC arrived cool2.gif

QUOTE(velodyne82 @ Apr 15 2008, 11:45 PM)
Wait for me!!!!
Lemme think...2 days time...
tempting
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Sure, take your time! What I could say is it really worth the money spent biggrin.gif

QUOTE(rioven @ Apr 15 2008, 11:54 PM)
opamp bulk still open???
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Yup, the opamp bulk still open, any order?

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excuse me , i am a newbie accually .. what are the different between DAC and amp accually ? thanks
which model of budget 300> can intro to me for my headphone ?smile.gif
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lt1364x2 plz...
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excuse me , i am a newbie accually .. what are the different between DAC and amp accually ? thanks
which model of budget 300> can intro to me for my headphone ?smile.gif
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DAC is like your soundcard but stays external. While amp is like a device to strengthen and power up the signal from source example DAC, soundcard.

Well, of course I would intro you to get the ZERO dac, the built in amp is quite efficient to drive headphone while the DAC produce great sound with all kind of opamp rolling option biggrin.gif

Added on April 16, 2008, 1:31 am
QUOTE(rioven @ Apr 16 2008, 01:16 AM)
lt1364x2 plz...
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LT1364
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1. utellme
2. rioven x 2
3. ccschua
4. dark_evilz x 2
5. Kyl3 x 2


LT1361
=====
1. utellme
2.
3.
4.
5.


LT1469
=====
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

LT1057
=====
1. ccschua
2.
3.
4.
5.

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uih...rioven... apa plak plan ko ni kan.... brows.gif
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ahahaha..just rolling opamp for drhead je....
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*ehem* was feeling a lil rajin today... and also felt like wanna lansi.... so see muh siggy laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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Wow lansi ~~~ Ultimate ZERO DAC (w/ OPA627) !!! This setup may last you for quite some time, but I could see a possible headamp upgrade from you cool2.gif

To all interested party: Emm ... how you you guys pondering so far? Deadline is approaching tongue.gif
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headamp??? no need to upgrade... will probably shove in the OPA627 into my battery headamp.

right now the combo of ZERO (OPA627) + Battery amp (OPA2107) is awesome la...alot better than the ZERO headamp with OPA627. but not feeling rajin enough to open up both and put the OPA627 into the battery amp yet... heheheh
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of all the pix of the ZERO that ive posted... ive never posted where its home is... so...

user posted image

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LT1364
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1. utellme
2. rioven x 2
3. ccschua
4. dark_evilz x 2
5. Kyl3 x 2
6. stormspider x 2

LT1361
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1. utellme
2.
3.
4.
5.


LT1469
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1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

LT1057
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1. ccschua
2.
3.
4.
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Total: 12 units, 8 more to go, LOL looks like it gonna take some time to complete the bulk!
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ok... i think ive decided on my final setup with the Zero....

ESI Maya44 -> (ZERO + OPA627AP in DAC) -> (Cute Battery II Headamp + OPA627AP) -> Beyerdynamic DT990 '05.

the battery has a slighly narrower soundstage than the zero's amp..but i dont really need soundstage since i listen mainly to metal.

ive always found the zero's built in headmp a lil weak for the DT990 for some reason...its as if there was some sort of veil to it.. almost muffled..dont get me wrong...they sounded good... but i knew there could be better. the battery has alot more power and alot more detail at the same volume level. everything is crisp and clear and even the bass is tighter and punchier. and more importantly..it didnt sound weak.

the only issue i have with this setup is that the 627 + browdog is a little "tall". the guy i bought it from placed the 627 in removable sockets so the sockets add to the height. which means i cant close my battery amp properly... LOL

anyway...i guess i need to get off my scrawny butt and get down to chopping up some Canare L-4E6S for some decent RCA-RCA cables.... currently using the RCA cables that came with my Firestone Audio Fubar II.

Added on April 22, 2008, 3:13 pmby the way mike... any chances of getting the OPA627BP ??

those on the zero thread in headfi claim that the BP is far superior than the AP

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Apr 22 2008, 03:09 PM)
ok... i think ive decided on my final setup with the Zero....

ESI Maya44 -> (ZERO + OPA627AP in DAC) -> (Cute Battery II Headamp + OPA627AP) -> Beyerdynamic DT990 '05.

the battery has a slighly narrower soundstage than the zero's amp..but i dont really need soundstage since i listen mainly to metal.

ive always found the zero's built in headmp a lil weak for the DT990 for some reason...its as if there was some sort of veil to it.. almost muffled..dont get me wrong...they sounded good... but i knew there could be better. the battery has alot more power and alot more detail at the same volume level. everything is crisp and clear and even the bass is tighter and punchier. and more importantly..it didnt sound weak.

the only issue i have with this setup is that the 627 + browdog is a little "tall". the guy i bought it from placed the 627 in removable sockets so the sockets add to the height. which means i cant close my battery amp properly... LOL

anyway...i guess i need to get off my scrawny butt and get down to chopping up some Canare L-4E6S for some decent RCA-RCA cables.... currently using the RCA cables that came with my Firestone Audio Fubar II.

Added on April 22, 2008, 3:13 pmby the way mike... any chances of getting the OPA627BP ??

those on the zero thread in headfi claim that the BP is far superior than the AP
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OP627BP?
I think my friend got stock..let me check for ya after work tonite. Price should be about the same or 2-3USD more..
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Mar 22 2008, 02:26 AM)
just to tease u fellers whos waiting for the zero and also the opa627..... my opa627 in DAC slot... brows.gif

anyway....here are pix of the internals of the zero after modded by empire23. dunno exactly what to take pix of...so i just hentam take only la...
Wow i found got upgraded to Nichicon Muse , Elna Silmic II , Elna RE3 and some Wima Film cap

hi empire23 where u get those Elna cap and MUSE because i cant find in K.L are u get from oversea thanks ? thanks

i just order Zero DAC .... drool.gif
cant wait already tongue.gif

Added on April 24, 2008, 1:02 pmfor DAC owner normally wut input u prefer COAX or optical

for my personal Coax cable smile.gif

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im using coaxial... although... ive tested plugging in both coaxial and optical at the same time form the same source... and switching between them using the front switch on the Zero.

cant tell any difference.
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Apr 24 2008, 01:26 PM)
im using coaxial... although... ive tested plugging in both coaxial and optical at the same time form the same source... and switching between them using the front switch on the Zero.

cant tell any difference.
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ok maybe when my Zero arrived i try it out n see got any different

wut the cost u upgrade ur Zero from empire23 .... just the cap smile.gif
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that wan me thinks u best ask empy himself..not my place to state prices...sorry.

but it was lesser than expected due to the fact there werent enough parts and lack of time to obtain them as empy was leaving for aussie in a few days.
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Apr 24 2008, 02:23 PM)
that wan me thinks u best ask empy himself..not my place to state prices...sorry.

but it was lesser than expected due to the fact there werent enough parts and lack of time to obtain them as empy was leaving for aussie in a few days.
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ok nvm anywhere thanks ..... biggrin.gif
actually i can mod mysellf but just the component i want cant get in K.L
especially Elna n Nichicon Muse those audio grade cant get .... only those normal one
i more prefer to use Elna cap compare others Blackgate is way more expensive due stop production blink.gif smile.gif
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Wow, bro Abel already talking about modding, anyway hope to arrange another meet when next bulk arrive, I just got myself new toys for you guys to play with tongue.gif But i think not quite up to taste of mADdude biggrin.gif
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must be something related with tubes

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must be something related with tubes

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ermm this my DIY Tube preamp when Zero DAC come it will go thru to this before going to amp. drool.gif
even the PCB i do myself really not easy to do take me 3-4 days to finish sweat.gif

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I can't believe the 2nd bulk taking so long to complete the MOQ. I think this is the perfect for those buying their 1st amp/dac. One of the best value you can find, and it's relatively cheap!

I ripped some old CDs in lossless and couldn't stop grinning ear to ear smile.gif Even my el crapo Panasonic Mini Compo sounds better with the DAC feeding it music.
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Stay tuned cool2.gif I guess bro Stormspider would lovesss it  cool.gif
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Hmm... and just what would that be? hmm.gif

Please don't add any new poisons into my system... currently have
too much in my " to buy" list already.. rclxub.gif

Next month's salary already moneyflies.gif moneyflies.gif moneyflies.gif

Well since I'm posting, minus as well update everyone on my ZERO experience..

I've already sold off my ADA 885 speakers as my headphone now produces better sound
quality with the Zero. I have added in the OPA627s into the DAC section and the bass and
details never ceases to amaze me..

Listened to an old Ray Charles song and I could actually hear his voice vibrate with a
slight echo.. don't really know how to put it in words but it's just AMAZING.. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

Looking into upgrading to the next level and to grab some bookshelf speaker and an amp to
hook up to my ZERO... icon_rolleyes.gif


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I can't believe the 2nd bulk taking so long to complete the MOQ. I think this is the perfect for those buying their 1st amp/dac. One of  the best value you can find, and it's relatively cheap!

I ripped some old CDs in lossless and couldn't stop grinning ear to ear smile.gif Even my el crapo Panasonic Mini Compo sounds better with the DAC feeding it music.
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LOL actually I also quite surprise with the 2nd bulk progress, maybe ppl waiting for a head to head group test between similiar priced SOURCE like Prodigy HD2, IBasso's Viper D2 ...

QUOTE(stormspider @ Apr 24 2008, 10:55 PM)
Hmm... and just what would that be?  hmm.gif

Please don't add any new poisons into my system... currently have
too much in my " to buy" list already..  rclxub.gif

Next month's salary already  moneyflies.gif  moneyflies.gif  moneyflies.gif

Well since I'm posting, minus as well update everyone on my ZERO experience..

I've already sold off my ADA 885 speakers as my headphone now produces better sound
quality with the Zero. I have added in the OPA627s into the DAC section and the bass and
details never ceases to amaze me..

Listened to an old Ray Charles song and I could actually hear his voice vibrate with a
slight echo.. don't really know how to put it in words but it's just AMAZING..  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

Looking into upgrading to the next level and to grab some bookshelf speaker and an amp to
hook up to my ZERO... icon_rolleyes.gif
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LOL of course I will try inject more poison and emotion to your favourite vocal, just stay tuned! biggrin.gif If you really wanted to build a bookshelf system, please do consider Usher S520, just google it and see why biggrin.gif
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i just get my LM4562NA sample cant wait my DAC liow hahaha
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how's the opamp bulks going? macam slow jer... biggrin.gif
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Just finished reading this thread. Thinking hard about Zero DAC but i have few queries as below: -


My current HIFI setup is as follow: -

a) Cambridge Audio 540A CD player (wolfson WM8740 24-bit/192kHz DAC) -> Cambridge Audio 540A Amplifier -> Sonus Faber Concertino Domus

Question (a) - is Zero DAC (Burr Brown OPA627)better than Wolfson DAC?

b) Slim Devices Squeezebox 3 Network Music Player (Burr Brown 24-bit DAC) -> Cambridge Audio 540A Amplifier -> Sonus Faber Concertion Domus

Question (b) - Not sure what model Burr Brown DAC used in Squeezebox 3, is it better than Zero DAC?


My music taste is towards classical, new age, jazz, easy listening, is OPA627 suit my music taste?


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QUOTE(dark_evilz @ May 12 2008, 01:14 PM)
how's the opamp bulks going? macam slow jer...  biggrin.gif
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Quite slow la, bro ~~~ less attention, maybe after bulk 2 received the stock, may quicken the bulk order smile.gif

QUOTE(auronthas @ May 12 2008, 10:07 PM)
Just finished reading this thread. Thinking hard about Zero DAC but i have few queries as below: -
My current HIFI setup is as follow: -

a) Cambridge Audio 540A CD player (wolfson WM8740 24-bit/192kHz DAC) -> Cambridge Audio 540A Amplifier -> Sonus Faber Concertino Domus

Question (a) - is Zero DAC (Burr Brown OPA627)better than Wolfson DAC?

b) Slim Devices Squeezebox 3 Network Music Player (Burr Brown 24-bit DAC) -> Cambridge Audio 540A Amplifier -> Sonus Faber Concertion Domus

Question (b) - Not sure what model Burr Brown DAC used in Squeezebox 3, is it better than Zero DAC?
My music taste is towards classical, new age, jazz, easy listening, is OPA627 suit my music taste?
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Actually It's hard to answer your question cos we didnt have any direct comparison between the ZERO dac with OPA627, CA 540A and Squeezebox 3, maybe can invite one of our "ZERO with OPA627" bring along his unit to your house for direct comparision? Your 4k Sonus Faber Concertino Domus is quite an attraction tongue.gif
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My current setup is:

PC > Zero DAC (OPA 627 in DAC section) > Denon Amp PMA 500-AE > Wharfedale Diamond 9.1

Currently experiencing some unrefined bass where the bass will sound hollow as in a "Doong" sound which will sound overwhelming till it drowns out the other parts of the song.. An example would be Duffy's Mercy also experienced the same for other songs in flac format playing using foobar...

I'm suspecting that the synergy is not there cause there's no such problem when I'm listening out through the headphone amp...

Just my experience with hooking it up to an amp and bookshelf speakers.. doesn't mean the same thing with other setup as it depends on the synergy with the other components...
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QUOTE(stormspider @ May 13 2008, 12:34 AM)
My current setup is:

PC > Zero DAC (OPA 627 in DAC section) > Denon Amp PMA 500-AE > Wharfedale Diamond 9.1

Currently experiencing some unrefined bass where the bass will sound hollow as in a "Doong" sound which will sound overwhelming till it drowns out the other parts of the song.. An example would be Duffy's Mercy also experienced the same for other songs in flac format playing using foobar...

I'm suspecting that the synergy is not there cause there's no such problem when I'm listening out through the headphone amp...

Just my experience with hooking it up to an amp and bookshelf speakers.. doesn't mean the same thing with other setup as it depends on the synergy with the other components...
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I think should be the synergy problem, try the simple tunning first like cable changing, maybe try "slimmer" speaker cable, one of my Taiwan mentioned to me before Slimmer cable do result in thinner tonal, less full, that's what he said la, not sure it's bluffing or not tongue.gif
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wut i know the thinner cable is suitable for bookshelf or those low power amp and speaker if those high power amp n speaker u need thicker cable ....... smile.gif wut i found thinner copper cable give lack of bass if thicker cable the bass are more solid n stable smile.gif is also depends on ur speaker n ur system nvr try nvr know smile.gif
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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ May 12 2008, 11:48 PM)
Actually It's hard to answer your question cos we didnt have any direct comparison between the ZERO dac with OPA627, CA 540A and Squeezebox 3, maybe can invite one of our "ZERO with OPA627" bring along his unit to your house for direct comparision? Your 4k Sonus Faber Concertino Domus is quite an attraction tongue.gif
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It's still best to do audition for comparison. Who can offer a 'demo' Zero with OPA627 or default OPA2604 for auditioning? I stay around Puchong.

I just found out Burr Brown PCM 1748 24-bit 96kHz DAC chip is used for Squeezebox 3, anyone know how good is this PCM 1748 compared to AD 1852 24-bit 192kHZ DAC chip?



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QUOTE(auronthas @ May 13 2008, 03:56 PM)
It's still best to do audition for comparison.  Who can offer a 'demo' Zero with OPA627 or default OPA2604 for auditioning?  I stay around Puchong.

I just found out Burr Brown PCM 1748 24-bit 96kHz DAC chip is used for Squeezebox 3, anyone know how good is this PCM 1748 compared to AD 1852 24-bit 192kHZ DAC chip?
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i think better wait arrived of second bulk order ask GodLuvSxS to come to K.L have a small TT to audit n compare ask some volunteer to bring some DAC .... smile.gif

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QUOTE(abel @ May 14 2008, 09:18 AM)
i think better wait arrived of second bulk order ask GodLuvSxS to come to K.L have a small TT to audit n compare ask some volunteer to bring some DAC .... smile.gif
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rclxms.gif That's good suggestion.

Btw, i heard from other website, besides DAC chips, opamp, the circuitry design in PCB also affect the sound quality.

Just imagine Mercedes engine(DAC/opamp) in Proton chasis (PCB) compared to a genuine Mercedes car.
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QUOTE(abel @ May 14 2008, 09:18 AM)
i think better wait arrived of second bulk order ask GodLuvSxS to come to K.L have a small TT to audit n compare ask some volunteer to bring some DAC .... smile.gif
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I would like to bring attention to the fact that normally GodLuvSxS would choose a common place in a public area to COD..
(The last time being KL Sentral Starbucks) So you won't really be able to see how well the Zero DAC matches your own
system... would just like to point this out... for in my case, I bought an amp and wharfedale without testing how it would
sound with the Zero thus leading to my current predicament...
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how about the person(s) who want to test the DAC with a speaker system offer their place for a mini-meet of about 4-5 people max? then u can test the speakers' synergy with the DAC. and others who uses headphones could also test it out at the same time...
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As Stormspider mentioned, I usually choose a common place is public area to COD, maybe Bro auronthas try to contact utellme arrange a possible audition since bro utellme asking about your location, probably he's staying around there smile.gif
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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ May 14 2008, 09:01 PM)
As Stormspider mentioned, I usually choose a common place is public area to COD, maybe Bro auronthas try to contact utellme arrange a possible audition since bro utellme asking about your location, probably he's staying around there smile.gif
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Sorry i can't arrange audition at my home due to family problem. I would google around before make up my mind, if everything ok, i would make an order and PM GodLuvSxS.

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nvm just test with the headphone bcoz i going to get 1 headphone soon smile.gif

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hi abel,

are u using tube amp? happy with your tube amp, mind to share your hifi setup ?
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Hi guys, I got one ready stock ZERO dac coming in along with the second bulk, it's actually bro velodyne82 friend's unit but just that he FFK velodyne82, I'm here to just help him sell it here, price is the same RM410 minus the waiting period tongue.gif If u dont have spdif output, just top up another RM20 to get the USB to SPDIF converter, it's ready stock too biggrin.gif

Just PM me biggrin.gif
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Hi Kwek,

Can I borrow your LT1361 and LT1469? I am in Cheras, I can meet you anywhere in KL.

I dunno why Lawrence recommended AD797 since it is not unit gain stable. I felt missing out AD797 since this chip is widely used in MBL DAC.

besides i am looking for
1. 1x LT1028
2. 1x DY2000 (ceramic or metal)

how to find above ??

recently i switch back to stock OP2604 as I changed my tube to Mullard, meant for vocal, laid back listening. I found i am able to listen longer using tube like opamp.

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i have order these

Part Number Description QTY
LT1028ACN8 Ultra Low Noise Op Amp 2
LT1057ACN8 Dual Precision JFET Op Amp 1
LT1361CN8 Dual 4mA 50MHz 800V/uSec OA 1
LT1469CN8 Dual 90MHz 16-Bit Accurate OA 1


is it correct part number ?

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QUOTE(ccschua @ May 19 2008, 11:42 PM)
Hi Kwek,

Can I borrow your LT1361 and LT1469? I am in Cheras, I can meet you anywhere in KL.

I dunno why Lawrence recommended AD797 since it is not unit gain stable. I felt missing out AD797 since this chip is widely used in MBL DAC.

besides i am looking for
1. 1x LT1028
2. 1x DY2000 (ceramic or metal)

how to find above ??

recently i switch back to stock OP2604 as I changed my tube to Mullard, meant for vocal, laid back listening. I found i am able to listen longer using tube like opamp.

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i have order these

Part Number Description QTY
LT1028ACN8 Ultra Low Noise Op Amp 2
LT1057ACN8 Dual Precision JFET Op Amp 1
LT1361CN8 Dual 4mA 50MHz 800V/uSec OA 1
LT1469CN8 Dual 90MHz 16-Bit Accurate OA 1
is it correct part number ?
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Yup, all part number is correct, as long as they are PDIP and unity gain stable then it's compatible!
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QUOTE(ccschua @ May 18 2008, 06:51 PM)
hi abel,

are u using tube amp? happy with your tube amp, mind to share your hifi setup ?
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sorry for late reply

i just use diy Tube Buffer ...... my setup very normal only Marantz PM-4001 amp and Marantz CD5001 cd player with Mordaunt Short Carnival 2 speaker if not using the tube buffer sound very light .... vocal thin smile.gif

i saw ur signature u using soundstage 1.5 what i know soundstage amp enuf power for ur B&W ... n little sound bright ? bcoz B&W is using metal dome dunno la this my own opinion

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QUOTE(abel @ May 20 2008, 04:50 PM)
sorry for late reply

i just use diy Tube Buffer ...... my setup very normal only Marantz PM-4001 amp and Marantz CD5001 cd player with Mordaunt Short Carnival 2 speaker if not using the tube buffer sound very light .... vocal thin smile.gif

i saw ur signature u using soundstage 1.5 what i know soundstage amp enuf power for ur B&W ... n little sound bright ? bcoz B&W is using metal dome dunno la this my own opinion
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well the soundstage 1.5 hybrid is 35W / channel. My setup is quite musical. I have lots of choice with the setup. I can change the tube or the DAC opamp to get the best results. As for power, I seldom turn the volume more than 10 oclock, usually at 9.00 clock. quite happy with the power. The sound since I change to Mullard is very warm. Tonal separation is quite good. but suffers from dynamic, fast moving musics, till the point music get congested, and out of sync. Well a comprise is required. since i am getting more opamp, I will test and see.

The Linear email confirm I should receive my sample in 5-8 days time. cant wait for the opamp to come for rolling.
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QUOTE(ccschua @ May 20 2008, 08:29 PM)
well the soundstage 1.5 hybrid is 35W / channel. My setup is quite musical. I have lots of choice with the setup. I can change the tube or the DAC opamp to get the best results. As for power,  I seldom turn the volume more than 10 oclock, usually at 9.00 clock. quite happy with the power. The sound since I change to Mullard is very warm. Tonal separation is quite good. but suffers from dynamic, fast moving musics, till the point music get congested, and out of sync. Well a comprise is required. since i am getting more opamp, I will test and see.

The Linear email confirm I should receive my sample in 5-8 days time. cant wait for the opamp to come for rolling.
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my Linear still not yet received already 1 week but already confirm ship out and now also waiting my OPA827 new one .... yeah soundstage not dynamic myself also like Mullard i think sound stage is running ECC82.

hehe i get all the opamp first before the DAC arrived biggrin.gif

yeah most important yourself like the sound dont get poison by ppl hahahah

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Emm ... is there any ppl interested to take a listen to the ZERO dac? You guys may come over to join our second bulk COD gathering and bring along your headphone test kau kau, dont be shy dont be scare, the Starbucks ppl wont chase us away biggrin.gif

PM me or leave a msg here, so we could arrange into a list smile.gif





EDIT: Forgot to let you guys inform of the second bulk shipment status. I phoned the logistic company this afternoon and they mentioned the shipment would arrive tomorrow at port, will keep you guys updated again tomorrow. Thanks

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when is the big day. may be someone interested to come and test. is kwek still in.
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when is the big day. may be someone interested to come and test. is kwek still in.
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