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post Jan 12 2008, 12:33 PM, updated 15y ago

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i did some calculation last night,
i decided to sell of most of my "rubbish" shares & get a PBBANK shares smile.gif

i am not good in looking at graph, but judging from PBBANK performance in year 2007
it is moving upwards, bits by bits
from RM 7.xx to RM 11.xx (the share price went up RM 4.00 in a year)
the shares went deep down in Feb & Aug 2007

Feb 2007 : unknown factor, according to the seniors here, composite went down 100 points on that day itself!
(i wasn't at the stock market that time, so i am not sure what was happening)
Aug 2007 : US subprime issue, hit most region markets badly, every counters are down

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what i want to highlight here is,
PBBANK shares is pretty stable
the max it went down during Feb & Aug 07 was around RM1.00
and then it slowly take a couple of month to climb back, and move upwards

based on my observation, safe price to buy PBBANK is around 10.80
but due to the upcoming financial report & dividends declaration (probably next week)
i expect the price to go up above RM 12.00

therefore, let's see how it react on Monday (since DJIA plunge 200++ points on friday night)
i shall report again once i got the shares biggrin.gif
my TP is RM 12.00 (for short term), while RM 15.00 (for long term)





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post Jan 12 2008, 12:34 PM

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how many lots have you bought ?
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post Jan 12 2008, 12:36 PM

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another reason for getting PBBANK, is the dividends biggrin.gif

Year 2007
Interim 25¢ - 01-Aug-07
Final 30¢ + Special 10¢ - 16-Mar-07

Year 2006
Interim 20¢ - 03-Oct-06
Final 20¢ + Special 15¢ - 21-Mar-06

Year 2005
Interim 20¢ - 08-Aug-05
Final 35¢ + Special 15¢ - 01-Apr-05

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QUOTE(NaMyzarC @ Jan 12 2008, 12:34 PM)
how many lots have you bought ?
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i havent own any yet, but SOON!

one of my resolution for the year (in share market), is to own a heavy weight counter, which could help me to roll in more money by the end of the year 2008 smile.gif
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post Jan 12 2008, 12:39 PM

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if want to look at dividend should look at maybulk and berjaya toto icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jan 12 2008, 12:45 PM

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last friday, early morning at 9 something
i look at the movement of PBBANK, PBBANK-O1 & its call warrants
the call warrants & PBBANK-O1 started to move
but PBBANK still at the previous day closing price, which was 11.00

i sense something,
so i quickly call up my remisier to buy PBBANK (for intra day purposes)
i queue at 11.00, mana tau, not long after, the price went up to 11.30 (highest for that day), haha!

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you guys may buy the PBBANK-CD (to keep for atleast a week)
reason : PBBANK will announce its financial report on the coming week, and also announce the dividends for March 2008
once mothershares move, the child will follow
look at the statistic on last friday, PBBANK-CD is one of the top trading volume rolleyes.gif

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Good choice Pana, maybe I'll join you if I can free up some cash. But I kind of worry that now everyone want to push up KLCI, we may be caught in a bull trap. But RM10.80 is a fair price for PBBANK, I prefer it below RM10 though. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Jan 12 2008, 01:01 PM)
Good choice Pana, maybe I'll join you if I can free up some cash. But I kind of worry that now everyone want to push up KLCI, we may be caught in a bull trap. But RM10.80 is a fair price for PBBANK, I prefer it below RM10 though.  rclxms.gif
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exactly, that is part of my concern, too - that market now is too bullish, due to the pre-GE rally
therefore i plan to slowly accumulate, getting 500 to 600 shares first, and when market is cooling down, buy in again, until i accumulate 1000 shares biggrin.gif

once i reached my 1000 shares target
and if i have extra cash & price is attractive, i'll set 1500 shares as my next target.
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PBBANK is one sound dividend counter to keep in your portfolio.
The chairman himself (Tan Sri Teh Hong Piow) is one of our most respected corporate leader. Recently I saw his book at MPH, regarding his story. He's another inspiration, next to late Tan Sri Lim Goh Tong.
As long as he's running PB, the stock will be stable and growing at the same time. Good one Pana smile.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 12 2008, 12:33 PM)
i did some calculation last night,
i decided to sell of most of my "rubbish" shares & get a PBBANK shares smile.gif

i am not good in looking at graph, but judging from PBBANK performance in year 2007
it is moving upwards, bits by bits
from RM 7.xx to RM 11.xx (the share price went up RM 4.00 in a year)
the shares went deep down in Feb & Aug 2007

Feb 2007 : unknown factor, according to the seniors here, composite went down 100 points on that day itself!
(i wasn't at the stock market that time, so i am not sure what was happening)
Aug 2007 : US subprime issue, hit most region markets badly, every counters are down

user posted image

what i want to highlight here is,
PBBANK shares is pretty stable
the max it went down during Feb & Aug 07 was around RM1.00
and then it slowly take a couple of month to climb back, and move upwards

based on my observation, safe price to buy PBBANK is around 10.80
but due to the upcoming financial report & dividends declaration (probably next week)
i expect the price to go up above RM 12.00

therefore, let's see how it react on Monday (since DJIA plunge 200++ points on friday night)
i shall report again once i got the shares biggrin.gif
my TP is RM 12.00 (for short term), while RM 15.00 (for long term)
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If u read my reply to the begineer, don remember wht name..my sugguest to buy in PBank is 10.80...Yeah!! we hv the same mind!!! nod.gif

QUOTE(TopGunn @ Jan 11 2008, 12:07 AM)
aiya....still want to go..
ok..
my opinion..for reference only..ok.
inti - could be stable but 1-2 yrs, dun know how much will growth..
air asia - high risk, hopefully it's ceo bagging his oil price/barrel shoot up...not sure how abt TUNE in the future..
pbbank - only buy below 10.80; for safer, take a 25% discount = 8.50 if u can wait...
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I do not know how u got this RM10.80; but let me share with all of us here...how i define RM10.80

I have calculate it's EPSGR abt 15%, intrinsic value RM14.50, 25% of the 14.50 will be 10.80 (Only advise small volumn for short term); but pls be carefull if this price also quite high...fair value RM 8.50..(wait for market crash to shop)... hmm.gif





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I would buy after the next correction
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post Jan 12 2008, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 12 2008, 12:45 PM)
last friday, early morning at 9 something
i look at the movement of PBBANK, PBBANK-O1 & its call warrants
the call warrants & PBBANK-O1 started to move
but PBBANK still at the previous day closing price, which was 11.00

i sense something,
so i quickly call up my remisier to buy PBBANK (for intra day purposes)
i queue at 11.00, mana tau, not long after, the price went up to 11.30 (highest for that day), haha!

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you guys may buy the PBBANK-CD (to keep for atleast a week)
reason : PBBANK will announce its financial report on the coming week, and also announce the dividends for March 2008
once mothershares move, the child will follow
look at the statistic on last friday, PBBANK-CD is one of the top trading volume  rolleyes.gif
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Pana,
Remember to discount the potential dividend given out if really want to go for the CW, as dividend given out will be deducting the share price out.
I didn't do the fair value calculation on its CWs now but the dividend issue need to be taking into it.

If CWs is trading at discount after deducting out the potential dividend then CWs can be considered depends on individual issue which I will put on the below scenario especially regarding cash flow issue.
For eg.

You really want to buy PBBank at 11.00, so one will fork out 11K for it.

On the other hand,
(this seldom happened but do happen occassional when market tumble time) If PBBank-Cx after adding up conversion value and its price, total value let say it is trading at 1.00 (exercise 9.40, ratio 1:1) = 10.40, potential dividend expected in the period before Cws expired 0.60, so in this case, it is more wise to go for CW as you have the advantage of gearing.
As CW will move tightly with mothershare price, even if its expire, you can fork out the money to buy its mothershare latter which in turn has the same amount and effect with initially straight away fork out 11K for it.
That's how hedge funds, portfolio managers play their game on it.

Scenario 1
Fork out 11k straight away

Scenario 2
Buy fair value/discount CW/W at 1.00 (to simplify the case without consider dividend first exercise price 10.00, ratio 1:1), you free out the 10K in the period before CW expire, the 10K even put in FD still gain interest out of it.

Eg. when CW expire time
Pbbank share drops to 10.00,
Scenario 1 & 2, both lose 1K, same. You stil can fork out 10K to buy it afterwards when CW expired which in turn same as 11K initial put out

Pbbank share drops to 9.00
Scenario 1 lose 2K
Scenario 2 lose 1K, while you can fork out 9K which become total cost of owning Pbbank become 10K only compared to 11K initially.

Pbbank share goes up to 12.00
Both gain 1K while scenario 2 gains extra FD interest out of 10K in the period before CW expired.

This only applicable to Warrant or CW that are trading at fair value or discount after taking account of dividend issue.

Just sharing some information. Judge you own based on which one suit to you.

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jan 12 2008, 01:36 PM)
PBBANK is one sound dividend counter to keep in your portfolio.
The chairman himself (Tan Sri Teh Hong Piow) is one of our most respected corporate leader. Recently I saw his book at MPH, regarding his story. He's another inspiration, next to late Tan Sri Lim Goh Tong.
As long as he's running PB, the stock will be stable and growing at the same time. Good one Pana smile.gif
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Since u do like Dato Teh Hong Piow so much, do u study at another share LPI capital Bhd 8621 own by him??? The performance of this share s not bad too... icon_rolleyes.gif
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like i said b4, its act tradin vry near to long term upper trendline.. if u belief it can break d trendline, yes, its a good time to buy.. goodluck wink.gif
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I do like PBBank too... But i'm concern over his successor planning... If i'm not mistaken he's quite old already...

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Sourced from wikipedia, he's now at the age of 78... sad.gif
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QUOTE(keith_hjinhoh @ Jan 12 2008, 07:24 PM)
I do like PBBank too... But i'm concern over his successor planning... If i'm not mistaken he's quite old already...
Sourced from wikipedia, he's now at the age of 78... sad.gif
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Yeah I remember reading an article about PBBANK not having an obvious successor like Genting.
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post Jan 12 2008, 09:52 PM

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Buy PBBank at RM8.50 this is the fair value. Let change topic to another counter LPI capital rclxms.gif
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What's the current PER of PBBank?
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PER:21.60
DY: 5%
Sourced from KLSETracker.
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QUOTE(keith_hjinhoh @ Jan 12 2008, 10:47 PM)
PER:21.60
DY: 5%
Sourced from KLSETracker.
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That PER would be based on last years EPS. More current would be around 18x PER or so.
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QUOTE(TopGunn @ Jan 12 2008, 02:41 PM)
Since u do like Dato Teh Hong Piow so much, do u study at another share LPI capital Bhd 8621 own by him??? The performance of this share s not bad too... icon_rolleyes.gif
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LPI is one stable defensive counter to keep too, but I am not very familiar with this company. Maybe you could enlighten me more? smile.gif
This means that I have another counter to keep an eye on and research on.
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PER is not important anymore....fair value is the most important to buy the sahre....:>


Added on January 13, 2008, 3:10 am
QUOTE(Jordy @ Jan 13 2008, 12:30 AM)
LPI is one stable defensive counter to keep too, but I am not very familiar with this company. Maybe you could enlighten me more? smile.gif
This means that I have another counter to keep an eye on and research on.
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LPI is a stable company..any way i'm think that the price is still high now....let's shop during market crash,,,,.....possible after election....smile.gif

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if i not mistaken the graph do it osmething like that
from this graph it will drop slightly. because since after august it has not really drop much and keep going upward trend.
i think it will go down later on.
oh well anyway this is a good counter to invest on if for long term
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QUOTE(TopGunn @ Jan 13 2008, 02:59 AM)
PER is not important anymore....fair value is the most important to buy the sahre....:>


Added on January 13, 2008, 3:10 am
LPI is a stable company..any way i'm think that the price is still high now....let's shop during market crash,,,,.....possible after election....smile.gif
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PER is important to some extend, because it tells a tale on the fair value.
To identify a growth company, the first measure we would compare is the PER, in my humble opinion smile.gif
A PER that is decreasing indicates that the company is growing, but the growth has not been reflected in its share prices.

LPI's DY at current is around 8x, so I believe at a price of below RM12, the DY is attractive at close to 9x.
The problem is that I don't have any software to look at the payout track record as what I see posted by some forumers here.
I do not trade using any online platforms, so any softwares you could recommend me? smile.gif

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if i not mistaken the graph do it osmething like that
from this graph it will drop slightly. because since after august it has not really drop much and keep going upward trend.
i think it will go down later on.
oh well anyway this is a good counter to invest on if for long term
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For long term investment, any sort of technical analysis is not really relevant, as charts don't really tell you the fundamentals. It merely tells you the trend, which could be an indication for entry.
There is definitely downside potential for this counter, but we won't really know the time.
If PB is successful in disposing off its NPLs like Maybank, then we could see further upside in its price.
Is there anyway we could find out the NPL owned by each banks?
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@cherroy

thanks for highlighting the two scenarios smile.gif

for long term basis, i'd still go for the mothershare.

however, i dun mind playing a day trade on the PBBANK CW, that is only applied when i see the mothershare started to move. (quick in quick out, no hanky panky, i dun want to hold any CW in my portfolio) rolleyes.gif
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making a record here...

PBBANK shares is hovering between 11.10 to 11.20
i wonder what does it mean? hmm.gif

p/s: ohyah, i have cleared most of my rubbish shares, lol
money is in hand now, i queue for PBBANK at 10.90
feel like a little impossible to get that price on today sweat.gif

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I thought you will buy it at RM10.80? You're worried it cannot be reached?
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 14 2008, 12:16 PM)
making a record here...

PBBANK shares is hovering between 11.10 to 11.20
i wonder what does it mean?  hmm.gif

p/s: ohyah, i have cleared most of my rubbish shares, lol
money is in hand now, i queue for PBBANK at 10.90
feel like a little impossible to get that price on today  sweat.gif
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Let's make target at RM10.80; I think will still down to 10.80 later this week..patient... smile.gif


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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jan 13 2008, 10:41 AM)
PER is important to some extend, because it tells a tale on the fair value.
To identify a growth company, the first measure we would compare is the PER, in my humble opinion smile.gif
A PER that is decreasing indicates that the company is growing, but the growth has not been reflected in its share prices.

LPI's DY at current is around 8x, so I believe at a price of below RM12, the DY is attractive at close to 9x.
The problem is that I don't have any software to look at the payout track record as what I see posted by some forumers here.
I do not trade using any online platforms, so any softwares you could recommend me? smile.gif
For long term investment, any sort of technical analysis is not really relevant, as charts don't really tell you the fundamentals. It merely tells you the trend, which could be an indication for entry.
There is definitely downside potential for this counter, but we won't really know the time.
If PB is successful in disposing off its NPLs like Maybank, then we could see further upside in its price.
Is there anyway we could find out the NPL owned by each banks?
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Noted..
LPI capital will be paying interim dividend soon...see below, last year announcement on January..Any good news ?

4 Jul 2007 LPI Interim Dividend 30 Sen 16 Jul 2007 25 Jul 2007 18 Jul 2007
3 Jan 2007 LPI Final Dividend 55 Sen 5 Feb 2007 13 Feb 2007 7 Feb 2007
3 Jan 2007 LPI Special Dividend 25 Sen 5 Feb 2007 13 Feb 2007 7 Feb 2007
6 Jul 2006 LPI Interim Dividend 25 Sen 3 Aug 2006 11 Aug 2006 7 Aug 2006


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i'll see how afternoon session goes.

PBBANK is A MUST to grab!!!
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 14 2008, 12:45 PM)
i'll see how afternoon session goes.

PBBANK is A MUST to grab!!!
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panasonic88,
mind to share with us, how many lots u will grap???

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QUOTE(TopGunn @ Jan 14 2008, 01:56 PM)
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mind to share with us, how many lots u will grap???
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as many as possible laugh.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 14 2008, 12:16 PM)
making a record here...

PBBANK shares is hovering between 11.10 to 11.20
i wonder what does it mean?  hmm.gif

p/s: ohyah, i have cleared most of my rubbish shares, lol
money is in hand now, i queue for PBBANK at 10.90
feel like a little impossible to get that price on today  sweat.gif
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Pana, I think your wait would be futile.
If it is as you mentioned, they could announce their dividend soon.
So, the stock could rally bit by bit before the payout because market would be looking forward for higher dividend, and possibly quick exit ex-d.
Maybe you should wait until after the ex-d, because it looks risky to chase it now.
Just my 2 cents smile.gif
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wow i feel pressured to post the price and qty sweat.gif

nobody interested to buy PBBANK mah? rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(TopGunn @ Jan 14 2008, 12:30 PM)
Noted..
LPI capital will be paying interim dividend soon...see below, last year announcement on January..Any good news ?

4 Jul 2007  LPI  Interim Dividend 30 Sen 16 Jul 2007 25 Jul 2007 18 Jul 2007
3 Jan 2007  LPI  Final Dividend 55 Sen 5 Feb 2007 13 Feb 2007 7 Feb 2007
3 Jan 2007  LPI  Special Dividend 25 Sen 5 Feb 2007 13 Feb 2007 7 Feb 2007
6 Jul 2006  LPI  Interim Dividend 25 Sen 3 Aug 2006 11 Aug 2006 7 Aug 2006
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Based on the history of their payouts, they have been increasing y-o-y, so I do believe an announcement is on its way in the next few days.
By looking at the way PBBANK and LPI are being chased up, it is even closer as many expected. Could be this week or the next.
I am putting my money on a FD of 60 sen and SD of 25 sen, making the total payout to 85 sen, which translates to 6.8% based on the current price of RM12.50. Anyone want to take their chance? smile.gif
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o'right, just to make a record smile.gif

i am now a PBBANK shareholder, officially rclxms.gif

as for price & qty,
i prefer to keep it to myself
will update again if i were to buy in somemore (next target to buy in: RM10.00)

cheers!

p/s: i feel so secure owning a PBBANK than the other foreign warrants tongue.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 14 2008, 05:13 PM)
o'right, just to make a record smile.gif

i am now a PBBANK shareholder, officially  rclxms.gif

as for price & qty,
i prefer to keep it to myself
will update again if i were to buy in somemore (next target to buy in: RM10.00)

cheers!

p/s: i feel so secure owning a PBBANK than the other foreign warrants tongue.gif
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This is definite true.
So each time we bank with Pbbank or buying PB or PM UT fund, you earn our money! Haha biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 14 2008, 05:13 PM)
o'right, just to make a record smile.gif

i am now a PBBANK shareholder, officially  rclxms.gif

as for price & qty,
i prefer to keep it to myself
will update again if i were to buy in somemore (next target to buy in: RM10.00)

cheers!

p/s: i feel so secure owning a PBBANK than the other foreign warrants tongue.gif
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longterm should not be wrong for this counter. Annual return could be around 50% to 80% for my case..... icon_rolleyes.gif GoodLuck.
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lol cherroy you are so funny tongue.gif

yuppie smartly, i am looking forward for year end, wanna see how much PBBANK shares will appreciate biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 14 2008, 05:13 PM)
o'right, just to make a record smile.gif

i am now a PBBANK shareholder, officially  rclxms.gif

as for price & qty,
i prefer to keep it to myself
will update again if i were to buy in somemore (next target to buy in: RM10.00)

cheers!

p/s: i feel so secure owning a PBBANK than the other foreign warrants tongue.gif
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Congratulations, future Tan Sri Pana laugh.gif
Let me make a wild guess (just a wild one), that you bought your lot at RM11.10? tongue.gif
You should be able to buy close to RM10.00 after the payout.

QUOTE(smartly @ Jan 14 2008, 05:23 PM)
longterm should not be wrong for this counter. Annual return could be around 50% to 80% for my case..... icon_rolleyes.gif  GoodLuck.
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50% - 80% annual return?
Are you really sure on that?
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Jordy, dun wan to tell you tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jan 14 2008, 05:32 PM)
Congratulations, future Tan Sri Pana laugh.gif
Let me make a wild guess (just a wild one), that you bought your lot at RM11.10? tongue.gif
You should be able to buy close to RM10.00 after the payout.
50% - 80% annual return?
Are you really sure on that?
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Yes, is true, in fact is > 80% when annualised it..... i got bonus issue of 4:1 and still keeping untill now...
That's why i said it won't be wrong when keeping longterm with this counter....
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wow i didnt know that PBBANK used to give out bonus issues thumbup.gif

what year was that?
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wow i didnt know that PBBANK used to give out bonus issues  thumbup.gif

what year was that?
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Year 2003.....see link.
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wow, another long term PBBANK shareholder!

our friend cherroy owns PBBANK-01 shares for 7 years (or maybe more) already, he bought it dirt cheap, 1.xx only ohmy.gif
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Based on the history of their payouts, they have been increasing y-o-y, so I do believe an announcement is on its way in the next few days.
By looking at the way PBBANK and LPI are being chased up, it is even closer as many expected. Could be this week or the next.
I am putting my money on a FD of 60 sen and SD of 25 sen, making the total payout to 85 sen, which translates to 6.8% based on the current price of RM12.50. Anyone want to take their chance? smile.gif
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Ur forecasted FD & SD absolutely rite..recommended dividend payout 80 cts ..increase of net profit after Q4 result out today...there will be moving up trend my guess...
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PBBANK owns 4.89% of LPI shares

wow i wish PBBANK & LPI will shoot up together on tomorrow biggrin.gif
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I'm hoping for FD of 35% & SD of 15% for PBBANK.....
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 14 2008, 09:35 PM)
wow, another long term PBBANK shareholder!

our friend cherroy owns PBBANK-01 shares for 7 years (or maybe more) already, he bought it dirt cheap, 1.xx only ohmy.gif
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Yup it was Pbbank-O1.

It may be once a life time opportunities, due to financial crisis which is very very severe at that time. To be precise it was 0.88 (I remembered because of this figure also biggrin.gif ), but back then it is a 0.50 Par value share, it was being merged intp Rm1 par value shares year ago, so 2 shares become 1 share. It is nothing to shout about, a lot of people suffer significant loss during that year (1998) including me, not the like of subprime plunge in the August, (just a peanut if really want to compare, it is similar to housing stocks in US currently, to be more like to like comparison, housing stocks in US has already dropped more than 50-70% now) but market across even good stocks are dropping more than 50% and more.

It occassionally does give out bonus issue, but personally view bonus issue is not actually a 'bonus', your holding value is still the same, if price doesn't go up. Nothing changes much due to bonus issue alone.
80% of annual return over long term is almost impossible, but 1-3 years average can be, but not 5-10 years time. Long term (decades) of return rate 20% pa and above is considered very good already.

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No one can foresee future, it is right that you may sustain a gain of 80% of annual return for now, it may not last when the market crash and you share drop back to where it was B4, then your 80% anuual return turn out to be 0% gain but dividend play an important role here whereby by giving 6% - 8% a year is still very much better then FD. It is true buying this type of counter achieving 20% pa is definitely a possible approach coz the div alone already cover almost half of the goal, if market is good the growth rate for this stock is definitely higher than you expected. At the moment i having 80% pa is calculated base on div, BI + appreciation of stock. Is the biggest gain so far in my portfolio.
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 14 2008, 05:34 PM)
Jordy, dun wan to tell you tongue.gif
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Oh, the Q4 result already out? Still haven't got the time to see the results.
Maybe end of the month I will browse through the results.
These days I am watching closely at my counter to see if I have any chance to jump in.
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PBBANK closed at 10.90 today

that is my initial wanted price sweat.gif

never mind, if tomorrow drop again, i'll buy somemore
(looks like it is a good tactic not to buy one whole lot sekali gus, especially during the current uncertain market)
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 15 2008, 05:07 PM)
PBBANK closed at 10.90 today

that is my initial wanted price sweat.gif

never mind, if tomorrow drop again, i'll buy somemore
(looks like it is a good tactic not to buy one whole lot sekali gus, especially during the current uncertain market)
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queue to buy PBBANK again @ 10.70 smile.gif
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what a rememberance day in KLCI!

KLCI 1454.61 -51.10

alot of panic selling, especially call warrants, but PBBANK is just as steady as a rock!

CODE

PBBANK
Opened : 10.90
Lowest : 10.70
Highest : 11.00
Closed : 10.80


i queued to buy at 10.70
but not sure whether it matches or not
will call back & check out with my remisier again on tomorrow

if not match, i will queue at 10.60 tomorrow biggrin.gif



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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 16 2008, 05:17 PM)
what a rememberance day in KLCI!

KLCI 1454.61 -51.10

alot of panic selling, especially call warrants, but PBBANK is just as steady as a rock!

CODE

PBBANK
Opened : 10.90
Lowest : 10.70
Highest : 11.00
Closed : 10.80


i queued to buy at 10.70
but not sure whether it matches or not
will call back & check out with my remisier again on tomorrow

if not match, i will queue at 10.60 tomorrow biggrin.gif
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As long as fundamental still intact, nothing to worry especially on fundamental strong stocks. Only worry if Pbbank is going to report lower profit.

Can't blame those CWs holders, as expiry time become nearer and nearer, a lot of CWs are worth nothing. After all, CWs are meant for short term speculative purposes, once goes wrong, then pay the price but once get right enjoy the gain. It is not like holding stocks like Pbbank that you can ignore the market condition and hold it indefinitely.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 16 2008, 05:23 PM)
As long as fundamental still intact, nothing to worry especially on fundamental strong stocks. Only worry if Pbbank is going to report lower profit.

Can't blame those CWs holders, as expiry time become nearer and nearer, a lot of CWs are worth nothing. After all, CWs are meant for short term speculative purposes, once goes wrong, then pay the price but once get right enjoy the gain. It is not like holding stocks like Pbbank that you can ignore the market condition and hold it indefinitely.
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Or at least until the market crashes, which will be when you need money for emergency surgery lol smile.gif

(j/k) hope that doesn't happen smile.gif

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latest news,

PBBANK financial report is expecting a good news (atleast a 22% surge, based on the news i heard from FM just now)
the report will be out on next week, not this week
which means still have a few more days to buy biggrin.gif

aiyah my 10.70 didnt' match yesterday
now i am waiting for a good chance to buy more~!
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pbb is a long term stock
mostly uncle aunty will hold
banker all dun favour this stock mch

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pbb is a long term stock
mostly uncle aunty will hold
banker all dun favour this stock mch
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aunty uncle become wealthy at their older age all because they owned PBBANK brows.gif
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News from sin chew:

香港子公司業績報捷 | 大眾銀行財報有看頭
http://biz.sinchew-i.com/node/8793


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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 17 2008, 11:46 AM)
aunty uncle become wealthy at their older age all because they owned PBBANK  brows.gif
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Should I being called 'uncle' as well? shocking.gif Just joking..
After think further, may be yes already. blush.gif


Yup, there are plenty of old folks that bought then keep it for ages, don't mean to sell at all.

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Should I being called 'uncle' as well?  shocking.gif Just joking..

Yup, there are plenty of old folks that bought then keep it for ages, don't mean to sell at all.
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whops sorry, i don't mean that tongue.gif

i dun mind to be a rich aunty when i reach 50 years old, and holding XXXX units of PPBANK in my account~!
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 17 2008, 01:58 PM)
whops sorry, i don't mean that tongue.gif

i dun mind to be a rich aunty when i reach 50 years old, and holding XXXX units of PPBANK in my account~!
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One thing to worry is that, PBBANK has got no clear succesor. If THP is gone, will history repeat itself like MBB, everything goes to gov ??? By then still worth keeping this stock ?

Panasonic88, what animal is your icon ? pig or rat ? hmm.gif
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One thing to worry is that, PBBANK has got no clear succesor. If THP is gone, will history repeat itself like MBB, everything goes to gov ??? By then still worth keeping this stock ?

Panasonic88, what animal is your icon ? pig or rat ?  hmm.gif
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It depends who is the largest shareholding or controlling stake afterwards, gov can't simply just take over without significant stake in it.
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QUOTE(smartly @ Jan 17 2008, 02:22 PM)
One thing to worry is that, PBBANK has got no clear succesor. If THP is gone, will history repeat itself like MBB, everything goes to gov ??? By then still worth keeping this stock ?

Panasonic88, what animal is your icon ? pig or rat ?  hmm.gif
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THP = founder of PPBANK, yah?
i saw his picture on the net, he is 70 plus already yah...

p/s: my avatar? i also not sure, but i like the animation, the gold tongue.gif
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THP = founder of PPBANK, yah?
i saw his picture on the net, he is 70 plus already yah...

p/s: my avatar? i also not sure, but i like the animation, the gold tongue.gif
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If no one inherit his wealth, then gov confiscate ?

Yah, the avatar. is god of prosperity....
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So, I see another green day for PBBANK.
This makes me wonder when would I be able to grab PBBANK tongue.gif j/k
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o'right, today i queued but i failed to buy PBBANK at 10.70, again (aiks~)

will continue trying until the financial report is out (which is next week!)

stay tune for more updates biggrin.gif
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rclxms.gif PBBANK should be announcing their financial report on tomorrow (22/1/08)

p/s: bite me if no news on tomorrow tongue.gif
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Yup it was Pbbank-O1.

It may be once a life time opportunities, due to financial crisis which is very very severe at that time. To be precise it was 0.88 (I remembered because of this figure also  biggrin.gif ), but back then it is a 0.50 Par value share, it was being merged intp Rm1 par value shares year ago, so 2 shares become 1 share. It is nothing to shout about, a lot of people suffer significant loss during that year (1998) including me, not the like of subprime plunge in the August, (just a peanut if really want to compare, it is similar to housing stocks in US currently, to be more like to like comparison, housing stocks in US has already dropped more than 50-70% now) but market across even good stocks are dropping more than 50% and more.

It occassionally does give out bonus issue, but personally view bonus issue is not actually a 'bonus', your holding value is still the same, if price doesn't go up. Nothing changes much due to bonus issue alone.
80% of annual return over long term is almost impossible, but 1-3 years average can be, but not 5-10 years time. Long term (decades) of return rate 20% pa and above is considered very good already.
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Congratulation. You have the foresight.

I bought 20,000 shares at RM 1 at that time. Unable to hold for long and very short sighted, i sold for small profit. Then , i moved on to IOI property also, took profit very fast ( got intention to hold for long but was hunting for a job ). No excuse other than to say you are good.

Hope to learn from you more.

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 21 2008, 10:10 AM)
rclxms.gif  PBBANK should be announcing their financial report on tomorrow (22/1/08)

p/s: bite me if no news on tomorrow tongue.gif
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People anticipate some good result and generous dividend, resulted Pbbank is up rather than following the market down trend.
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making a record

i bought PBBANK @ 10.90 today smile.gif
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making a record

i bought PBBANK @ 10.90 today smile.gif
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we need people like you to push up the CI. Market close with down 30 pts today. PBBank close 11.00 +0.10


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rclxms.gif  PBBANK should be announcing their financial report on tomorrow (22/1/08)

p/s: bite me if no news on tomorrow tongue.gif
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Quarterly rpt on consolidated results for the financial period ended 31/12/2007
Quarter: 4th Quarter
Financial Year End: 31/12/2007
Report Status: Audited
Submitted By: Chia Lee Kee (Ms)

Current Year Quarter Preceding Year Corresponding Quarter Current Year to Date Preceding Year Corresponding Period
31/12/2007 31/12/2006 31/12/2007 31/12/2006
RM '000 RM '000 RM '000 RM '000
1 Revenue 2,573,079 2,184,839 9,557,599 7,710,224
2 Profit/Loss Before Tax 821,201 649,248 3,003,638 2,416,361
3 Profit/Loss After Tax and Minority Interest 607,843 461,324 2,201,786 1,795,161
4 Net Profit/Loss For The Period 579,960 445,063 2,123,915 1,726,688
5 Basic Earnings/Loss Per Shares (sen) 17.33 13.36 63.35 52.10
6 Dividend Per Share (sen) 50.00 40.00 75.00 60.00
As At End of Current Quarter As At Preceding Financial Year End
7 Net Tangible Assets Per Share (RM) 2.7874 2.7059


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For the financial year ended 31 December 2007, the Directors have recommended a

proposed final dividend of 40%, less 26% tax and a special dividend of 10%,
less 26% tax, representing a total of 37.0 sen net per share.

Subject to shareholders' approval, the proposed final dividend and special
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Record of Depositors as at the close of business on 29 February 2008.




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proposed final dividend of 40%, less 26% tax and a special dividend of 10%,
less 26% tax, representing a total of 37.0 sen net per share.
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rclxms.gif 50 sens, less 26% tax
rclxms.gif which means every 1000 shares would be getting RM 370.00 (after deducted tax)
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4th Quater Result : Click Me

Press Release by Chairman : Click Me

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Wow...exactly is what i forecasted..
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry15144608
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lol where did you buy your crystal ball? laugh.gif
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Haha, but your forecast was a bit out, although the total payout was the same tongue.gif
Anyway, this represents 4.5% DY at the current price.
Still lower than LPI?
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making a record

i bought PBBANK @ 10.90 today smile.gif
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oh really biggrin.gif

i read Inter-Pacific Investment gives 11.80 biggrin.gif
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Pana, should have waited until today to buy tongue.gif
I'm so tempted to buy some cheap counters now, but have to look at how the market goes first.
Maybe closer to the break I'll buy some.
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yah right, should have waited until now

but no one knows the bear is coming so fast sad.gif

but anyway, for long term sake, it is okie biggrin.gif
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I also missed a chance to intra just now as I was watching sad.gif
What was I thinking? Sigh.
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Public Bank posts RM2.1bil profit

KUALA LUMPUR: Public Bank Bhd posted a 23% jump in net profit to RM2.1bil for the year ended Dec 31, 2007 (FY07), thanks to higher net interest and financing income as well as other operating income and lower loan loss provisions.

Earnings per share improved to 63.3 sen from 52.1 sen in FY06 while net return on equity rose to 26.3% from 21.9% previously.

The board has proposed a final dividend of 40 sen per share and a special dividend of 10 sen. Together with the interim dividend of 25 sen paid in August last year, the total dividend for FY07 amounted to 75 sen a share.

In the fourth quarter ended Dec 31, 2007, net profit surged 30% to RM580mil from RM445mil in the previous corresponding period. It was also 7% higher than the net profit of RM543.6mil reported in the preceding quarter.

In FY07, net interest income increased 13% and Islamic banking income, 12%. Cost-to-income ratio remained low at 33.1% compared with the industry average of 44%.

Total assets rose 18% to RM174.2bil as of end-2007, or three times the group's asset size of RM61.9bil in 2002.

Total loans grew 20% to RM101.4bil, with the bulk of lending for the purchase of property and vehicles as well as to businesses. Public Bank's share of the loan market rose to 14% as at November 2007 from 13.2% as at end-2006.

Customer deposits expanded 24% to RM138.8bil as at the end of last year, with its market share at 14.3% as at November 2007.

The bank's net non-performing loan (NPL) ratio improved to 1.2% in FY07 from 1.6% a year earlier. Loan loss coverage stood at 119%, the highest in the country's banking industry.

After deducting the proposed final and special dividends, the risk-weighted capital ratio remains strong at 12.4%.

The group's unit trust management subsidiary grew total fund assets by 75% to RM28.4bil, with a market share of 40% compared with 27.6% in the beginning of 2006.

Managing director Datuk Seri Tay Ah Lek said the bank anticipated a 15% growth in loans and about 18% to 20% for deposits.

He said net NPLs were likely to fall below 1% this year due to fewer NPLs, low unemployment and stable interest rates.

"Loan demand remains strong, driven by consumer financing like hire purchase, mortgage, personal financing and SMEs (small and medium enterprises)," he told reporters after announcing the results yesterday.

This year's prospects remain positive given the resilience of the domestic economy buoyed by a large current account surplus, ample liquidity and a strengthening ringgit.

Tay said the Government's targeted 6% gross domestic product growth would be supported by domestic demand, the salary increase for civil servants, withdrawal from the Employees Provident Fund to pay housing loans, public spending under the Ninth Malaysia Plan, the various economic corridors and intra-regional trade.

Inflationary pressure was mainly cost-push while demand was not excessive, he said, adding that the stronger local currency would moderate the pressure.

The group intends to enhance long-term fee-based revenue by expanding on its fund management, bancasurrance and wealth management services.

Its 10-year regional alliance with ING/Asia Pacific Ltd for bancasurrance distribution took effect from Jan 1 and is expected to boost fee-based commission income in the mid- to longer term.

Public Bank expects overseas contribution to increase to 20% in the next one to three years from 15% currently. The bulk of the profits in FY07 came from Hong Kong and Cambodia.

Tay said the group planned to open more branches, with two each in Hong Kong, Cambodia and Laos, and one in Vietnam.

OSK Investment Bank analyst Chan Ken Yew said Public Bank's results were within expectation but added that the higher dividend was "a sweet surprise."

He said the present consensus net profit of RM2.3bil was likely to be revised upwards.

"The group should be able to achieve the targeted loans growth as its operations in Hong Kong and Cambodia are doing very well," Chan added.

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Yahoo! But when would they give out the dividen? Consider selling all my PBB after dividen. Would buy it back later at cheaper price. Now is bear market, should drop a little bit further.
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Yahoo! But when would they give out the dividen? Consider selling all my PBB after dividen. Would buy it back later at cheaper price. Now is bear market, should drop a little bit further.
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PBBANK - NOTICE OF BOOK CLOSURE

LISTING'S CIRCULAR NO. L/Q : 48315 OF 2008
Final dividend of 40.0% per share less 26.0% income tax and a Special dividend
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Kindly be advised of the following :

1) The above Company's securities will be traded and quoted [ "Ex - Dividend"] as from : [ 27 February 2008 ]

2) The last date of lodgement : [ 29 February 2008 ]

3) Date Payable : [ 10 March 2008 ]
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QUOTE(netcrawler @ Jan 23 2008, 12:36 AM)
Yahoo! But when would they give out the dividen? Consider selling all my PBB after dividen. Would buy it back later at cheaper price. Now is bear market, should drop a little bit further.
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What type of plan is this?
To sell after dividend? wink.gif
The price will drop after dividend, so it doesn't do you any good.
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making a notes here

U.S recession fear make the whole regional market slumped
KLSE plunge from 1550 to 1350

PBBANK lowest was 10.40, rebounded to highest at 11.20
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A good rebound indeed. If DJ up tonite, then KLCI will follow suit tomorrow.
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PBBANK grows healthly as the days pass biggrin.gif

feels great to see it climb up bits by bits everyday

wonder can it break my short term TP at 11.80 by this wednesday tongue.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Feb 4 2008, 02:52 PM)
PBBANK grows healthly as the days pass biggrin.gif

feels great to see it climb up bits by bits everyday

wonder can it break my short term TP at 11.80 by this wednesday tongue.gif
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panasonic88,
Are you intent to sell at 11.80 ??
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QUOTE(smartly @ Feb 4 2008, 03:46 PM)
panasonic88,
Are you intent to sell at 11.80 ??
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NO WAY!!

why would i kill my golden eggs? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Feb 4 2008, 02:52 PM)
PBBANK grows healthly as the days pass biggrin.gif

feels great to see it climb up bits by bits everyday

wonder can it break my short term TP at 11.80 by this wednesday tongue.gif
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Pana ho sei liaw, still holding Pbank, up up and away
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Feb 4 2008, 03:48 PM)
NO WAY!!

why would i kill my golden eggs? biggrin.gif
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haha...maybe after ex you can do that if it shot up back to 11.80...
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plan to hold until end of 2008 biggrin.gif

in the mean time, will keep on accumulate~!
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wow...still want to accumulate even at this price ?? maybe wait till after ex-date...
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plan to hold until end of 2008 biggrin.gif

in the mean time, will keep on accumulate~!
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pana will not kill the goose can produce golden eggs..1 day only can product 1 egg..PBBANK 1 day +10sen
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QUOTE(smartly @ Feb 4 2008, 04:05 PM)
wow...still want to accumulate even at this price ?? maybe wait till after ex-date...
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pana will not kill the goose can produce golden eggs..1 day only can product 1 egg..PBBANK 1 day +10sen
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PBBank 10sen up...if it break 11.80 then 12.00 should be no problem ..i guess smile.gif everyone who hold Pbb will be very happy...
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today PBBANK-O1 outshine PBBANK

go go go, once hit 11.80, my next TP would be 12.50 biggrin.gif

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TP is target price or take profit price ??? hahaha
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TP is target price

my final TP is 14.00 (by the end of 2008)

p/s: i wont simply take profit on PBBANK unless there is a major crash in market, otherwise will just leave it to lay more golden eggs for me biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Feb 4 2008, 05:29 PM)
TP is target price

my final TP is 14.00 (by the end of 2008)

p/s: i wont simply take profit on PBBANK unless there is a major crash in market, otherwise will just leave it to lay more golden eggs for me biggrin.gif
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For me, i've to keep PBBank for my next generation, since i got it very low. Every now n then enjoying the dividend, just like what you described as golden eggs...
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Feb 4 2008, 05:29 PM)
TP is target price

my final TP is 14.00 (by the end of 2008)

p/s: i wont simply take profit on PBBANK unless there is a major crash in market, otherwise will just leave it to lay more golden eggs for me biggrin.gif
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panasonic88,

<<p/s: i wont simply take profit on PBBANK unless there is a major crash in market,>>

1) Where is the LOGIC in this?? If there is a major crash and you are confident that PBBank can recover plus can continuing pay the dividend, you BUY MORE.

2) You make money when you buy. For a HIGH DIVIDEND stock, you do not have to sell to make money. So, why should you care about current stock price except to buy more?? I only check PBBank's stock price maybe once or twice per year. And, that is when I check to see whether it crashes and I can BUY MORE.

3) Basic rule of investment said that you ONLY SELL when you have a BETTER place to invest your money. If you SELL PBBak, do you have a better place for your money?

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panasonic88,

<<p/s: i wont simply take profit on PBBANK unless there is a major crash in market,>>

1)  Where is the LOGIC in this?? If there is a  major crash and you are confident that PBBank can recover plus can continuing pay the dividend, you BUY MORE.

2) You make money when you buy.  For a HIGH DIVIDEND stock, you do not have to sell to make money.  So, why should you care about current stock price except to buy more??  I only check PBBank's stock price maybe once or twice per year.  And, that is when I check to see whether it crashes and I can BUY MORE.

3) Basic rule of investment said that you ONLY SELL when you have a BETTER place to invest your money.  If you SELL PBBak, do you have a better place for your money?

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Dreamer,

You are right.

Malaysians like to sack manager that is doing a very job, and move on and hope to find new and better manager to replace him/her.

On other hand, they keep manager that is losing moneys for them, and keep him/her for long term until one day this manager is able to make money for them.

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Feb 4 2008, 08:12 PM)
panasonic88,

<<p/s: i wont simply take profit on PBBANK unless there is a major crash in market,>>

1)  Where is the LOGIC in this?? If there is a  major crash and you are confident that PBBank can recover plus can continuing pay the dividend, you BUY MORE.

2) You make money when you buy.  For a HIGH DIVIDEND stock, you do not have to sell to make money.  So, why should you care about current stock price except to buy more??  I only check PBBank's stock price maybe once or twice per year.  And, that is when I check to see whether it crashes and I can BUY MORE.

3) Basic rule of investment said that you ONLY SELL when you have a BETTER place to invest your money.  If you SELL PBBak, do you have a better place for your money?

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1) I get your meaning. You are telling me to buy more (instead of selling it) & avg it if there is a major crash.

2) I feel it is one kind of leisure to monitor your favorite counter, be in going up or down.

3) Well said. I do not deny that. smile.gif
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This particular stock like Pbbank is worth keeping longterm. Averaging downward is a good method when come to this type of stock during crash but again if the purpose of buying this stock is no longer there such as no dividend anymore, profit not intact and management mismanaged, then i think is seriously need to reassess this stock again maybe considering selling it off...
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QUOTE(smartly @ Feb 4 2008, 10:03 PM)
This particular stock like Pbbank is worth keeping longterm. Averaging downward is a good method when come to this type of stock during crash but again if the purpose of buying this stock is no longer there such as no dividend anymore, profit not intact and management mismanaged, then i think is seriously need to reassess this stock again maybe considering selling it off...
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smartly,

<<if the purpose of buying this stock is no longer there such as no dividend anymore, profit not intact and management mismanaged, then i think is seriously need to reassess this stock again maybe considering selling it off...>>

Those items has NOTHING to do with current stock price.

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1) I get your meaning. You are telling me to buy more (instead of selling it) & avg it if there is a major crash.

2) I feel it is one kind of leisure to monitor your favorite counter, be in going up or down.

3) Well said. I do not deny that. smile.gif
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panasonic88,

1) I am telling you that if A is a good investment at $10, it should be an EVEN BETTER investment at $8 if the ONLY thing that change is the price.

2) Study had shown that people that watch stock price regularly tend to be a lousy investor. The reason is they get too emotional and attached to the stock.

Dreamer

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I find Pana is a smart lady. She learns things fast and she can make up her mind pretty fast. She also shares lots of good things with us.

In her position she needs to know and learn how the markets behave, thus she needs to get involved on day to day basis. I would like to thank her for all her efforts. She warns people when market is bad.

As a young person, it is good to know and learn esp now how the markets behave, and so long it is within control, it is all right. People learn and grow through their mistakes.

I do not think she is paid for the jobs done.

Bear in mind, no one is perfect.


Added on February 5, 2008, 12:02 am" I did some calculation last night,
i decided to sell of most of my "rubbish" shares & get a PBBANK shares smile.gif

i am not good in looking at graph, but judging from PBBANK performance in year 2007
it is moving upwards, bits by bits
from RM 7.xx to RM 11.xx (the share price went up RM 4.00 in a year)
the shares went deep down in Feb & Aug 2007"

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Brave and should be respected ( considering her young age ).

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Feb 4 2008, 10:56 PM)
smartly,

<<if the purpose of buying this stock is no longer there such as no dividend anymore, profit not intact and management mismanaged, then i think is seriously need to reassess this stock again maybe considering selling it off...>>

Those items has NOTHING to do with current stock price.

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Added on February 4, 2008, 11:00 pm

panasonic88,

1) I am telling you that if A is a good investment at $10, it should be an EVEN BETTER investment at $8 if the ONLY thing that change is the price.

2) Study had shown that people that watch stock price regularly tend to be a lousy investor.  The reason is they get too emotional and attached to the stock.

Dreamer
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Ya, agreed, i didn't even mentioned anything abt stock price at all ...did i ??
I've been keeping Pbbank for years, with the 50 div i probably gotten back all my capital...why should i bother mentioning abt stock price ??? I even have stocks keeping for more than 15 years and it baloon to 3 times of my investment maybe more if i calculated probably.....on what basis you think watch stock regularly is bad investor, just emotional alone ????
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2) Study had shown that people that watch stock price regularly tend to be a lousy investor.  The reason is they get too emotional and attached to the stock.


YES, U R ABSOLUTELY RIGHT...

one's shud see it after d market close...unless u r intraday trader...
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YES, U R ABSOLUTELY RIGHT...

one's shud see it after d market close...unless u r intraday trader...
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What happens if your counter goes Limit Up or coming Limit down on that day ?

Are you waiting for closing also ?

If you do not see during day time , you sell at night ?

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Feb 5 2008, 12:24 AM)
What happens if your counter goes Limit Up or coming Limit down on that day ?

Are you waiting for closing also ?

If you do not see during day time , you sell at night ?
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if u confident wit ur ctr, y need scare so much? anyway, its kinda sad that malaysia doesnt implement stop loss...

yes, i will take d risk.. i will wait till d market close...but d final say final say will b accordin to my tradin plan for that ctr..

i usually will key in durin night or when d market is havin a break...



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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Feb 5 2008, 12:24 AM)
What happens if your counter goes Limit Up or coming Limit down on that day ?

Are you waiting for closing also ?

If you do not see during day time , you sell at night ?
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I think what he meant is don't bother too much about daily price movement too much, only occassionally monitor it, will be enough especially for those whom opt for long term one. As market sentiment and movement might affect some emotion that could potentially lead to a person to have wrong judgement.

It is some sort like if you see market red across and plunging fast that you are somehow will be wary to enter the market. Instead if you only see the individual stock at a price which is not being traded at an attractive level that you previous wish to have then you probably will buy it.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 5 2008, 02:02 AM)
I think what he meant is don't bother too much about daily price movement too much, only occassionally monitor it, will be enough especially for those whom opt for long term one. As market sentiment and movement might affect some emotion that could potentially lead to a person to have wrong judgement.

It is some sort like if you see market red across and plunging fast that you are somehow will be wary to enter the market. Instead if you only see the individual stock at a price which is not being traded at an attractive level that you previous wish to have then you probably will buy it.
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Yes, i do agree with you , a fundamentalist needs not have to bother much on day to day movements basically.

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To Loy Yat 82,

If a person that depends lot on chartings ( usually not on fundamental stocks ) to do trading, one may have to monitoring quite closely unless he buys only blue chips. That is quite the standard in practice.

Whether scare or not as mentioned by you is another issue. If you are not scared to lose the money, then there is no need to do chartings anyway. Why needs to bother to know about where are the support lines ? Why bother about US markets and so on ? Just buy whenever people fear, sell whenever people greed ! There are people buying and sell on valuations, not on charts, also can make money.

People buying fundamental stocks on long term are not scared to lose, not affected by day to day price movement.

Do you aware that people also need to do some homeworks on charts first to make a counter looking "bullish " before goreng that counter ? Before you get to chart to know the sell signal, the game could be over. I mean it is not 100% fool proof using chart , and you have to be on alert if the chart looks extremely bullish, not to fall into the trap of others.

If you want proof, then all you have to do is to pay more tuition fees to share market.

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Feb 5 2008, 06:06 AM)
Yes, i do agree with you , a fundamentalist needs not have to bother much on day to day movements basically.

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To Loy Yat 82,

If  a person that depends lot on chartings ( usually not on fundamental stocks ) to do trading,  one may have to monitoring quite closely unless he buys only blue chips. That is quite the  standard in practice.

Whether scare or not as mentioned by you is another issue. If you are not scared  to lose the money, then there is no need to do chartings anyway. Why needs to bother to know about where are the support lines ? Why bother about US markets and so on  ? Just buy whenever people fear, sell whenever people greed ! There are people buying and sell on valuations, not on charts, also can make money.

People buying fundamental stocks on long term are not scared to lose, not affected by day to day price movement.

Do you aware that people also need to do some homeworks on charts first to make a counter looking "bullish " before goreng that counter  ? Before you get to chart to know the sell signal, the game could be over. I mean it is not 100% fool proof using chart , and you have to be on alert if the chart looks extremely bullish, not to fall into the trap of others.

If you want proof, then all you have to do is to pay more tuition fees to share market.
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Yeah, you have highlighted some good points here, nevertheless, FA and TA trading does have a different between the two. I classified myself as FA but sometime i do TA when market is choppy. Irrespective what am i, i watch market daily, am i a bad investor ???
Good point. SKY 1809 rclxms.gif
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Yes, i do agree with you , a fundamentalist needs not have to bother much on day to day movements basically.

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To Loy Yat 82,

If  a person that depends lot on chartings ( usually not on fundamental stocks ) to do trading,  one may have to monitoring quite closely unless he buys only blue chips. That is quite the  standard in practice.

ya meh? not me though tongue.gif  jsu put alert alert lor, if d price goes down to d price u lookin for or vice versa

Whether scare or not as mentioned by you is another issue. If you are not scared  to lose the money, then there is no need to do chartings anyway. Why needs to bother to know about where are the support lines ? Why bother about US markets and so on  ? Just buy whenever people fear, sell whenever people greed ! There are people buying and sell on valuations, not on charts, also can make money.

sorry man, im TA, without chart im at lost, n when im lost i consider it as GAMBLE

speakin ab valuations, that is another type of tactics..



People buying fundamental stocks on long term are not scared to lose, not affected by day to day price movement.

ya meh? tongue.gif

Do you aware that people also need to do some homeworks on charts first to make a counter looking "bullish " before goreng that counter  ? Before you get to chart to know the sell signal, the game could be over. I mean it is not 100% fool proof using chart , and you have to be on alert if the chart looks extremely bullish, not to fall into the trap of others.

wat u mean by extremely bullish? sorry not a candlesticks lover..heard about 3 white stick bla bla bla tongue.gif  for me, its vry seldom to see a counter that shows extreme strength...example of extreme strength is on 17/8/2007

If you want proof, then all you have to do is to pay more tuition fees to share market.
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Oh I see , KLSE just opened in Year 2007. Make a note here.

Were you in standard 3 also during the super bull run ?

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^ standard 5, judging from his nick, i guess so laugh.gif

addon : you know what, Buffet says he regret he didnt start early to invest in stock market
he started at the age of 13 (or younger). my dad on the other hand, absorb the good things from Buffet, my dad bought a 1000 shares of ORIENT for his first grandchild, as a gift for her when she was one month old rclxms.gif

Imagine what would happen 20 years down the road biggrin.gif

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^ standard 5, judging from his nick, i guess so laugh.gif

addon : you know what, Buffet says he regret he didnt start early to invest in stock market
he started at the age of 13 (or younger). my dad on the other hand, absorb the good things from Buffet, my dad bought a 1000 shares of ORIENT for his first grandchild, as a gift for her when she was one month old  rclxms.gif

Imagine what would happen 20 years down the road biggrin.gif
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Oh I see , KLSE just opened in Year 2007. Make a note here.

Were you in standard 3 also during the super bull run ?
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will accumulate after ex date, not now anymore
now aiming on other counters
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Ur goose product golden egg again today +10 sen. All the forumers are monitor ur goose..
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lol SKY 1980, you may do the same thing to your child, too laugh.gif

icon_rolleyes.gif PBBANK : 11.60
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Feb 5 2008, 02:04 PM)
^ standard 5, judging from his nick, i guess so laugh.gif

addon : you know what, Buffet says he regret he didnt start early to invest in stock market
he started at the age of 13 (or younger). my dad on the other hand, absorb the good things from Buffet, my dad bought a 1000 shares of ORIENT for his first grandchild, as a gift for her when she was one month old  rclxms.gif

Imagine what would happen 20 years down the road biggrin.gif
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lol SKY 1980, you may do the same thing to your child, too laugh.gif

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Keep up all the good works

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Buffet started his first stock at the age of 11 with his sister, with Coca-Cola at around USD 3 if I remember correctly smile.gif
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Do you believe the act of good karma ? If you do something good to the people, it will bounce back to you in the future in greater numbers.

Keep up all the good works

This year is Superb for boar or pig, just heard from my fm .

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yesh yesh, prosperity year, for everyone thumbup.gif
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On Monday, Primus inked an agreement to buy a 20.2% stake in EON Capital Bhd (EON Cap) for a whopping RM1.337bil, or RM9.55 a share, from DRB-HICOM Bhd unit, HICOM Holdings Bhd

In Year 20xx. SKY expects Pana & Co to buy a 20% stake of PBank at RM 20 per share.

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Feb 6 2008, 08:26 AM)
On Monday, Primus inked an agreement to buy a 20.2% stake in EON Capital Bhd (EON Cap) for a whopping RM1.337bil, or RM9.55 a share, from DRB-HICOM Bhd unit, HICOM Holdings Bhd

In Year 20xx. SKY expects Pana & Co to buy a 20% stake of PBank at RM 20 per share.
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Considering that EPF owned RHB and EPF has interest up to 10% in PBB, maybe EPF might be interested to make PBB another GLC.

Can pay more with Rakyat's monies and pay peanuts as dividend to Rakyat.
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QUOTE(eric.tangps @ Feb 6 2008, 09:29 PM)
Considering that EPF owned RHB and EPF has interest up to 10% in PBB, maybe EPF might be interested to make PBB another GLC.

Can pay more with Rakyat's monies and pay peanuts as dividend to Rakyat.
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eric.tangps,

When that happens, I will SELL ALL my PBB stocks.

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Feb 6 2008, 09:36 PM)
eric.tangps,

When that happens, I will SELL ALL my PBB stocks.

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Dreamer,

What is the price of MayBank and CIMB ? Ponders.

Of course you should not consider the other EPF owned company - MBSB.

Maybe there should not be GLC at all to ensure a healthy business enviroment.
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QUOTE(eric.tangps @ Feb 7 2008, 12:58 AM)
Dreamer,

What is the price of MayBank and CIMB ? Ponders.

Of course you should not consider the other EPF owned company - MBSB.

Maybe there should not be GLC at all to ensure a healthy business enviroment.
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eric.tangps,

I consider all GLCs as untouchable for investment. Too much political risk. I had burnt by UEM and I promised myself to NEVER to be burnt by GLCs.

<<Maybe there should not be GLC at all to ensure a healthy business enviroment.>>

GLCs are fine if they are ran with Singapore GLC's management style and they are not 90+%.

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I have some investment in PBB, Magnum, BJToto and PBA. Eyeing to purchase LPI and more of PBB shares right now, any tips on when to go in? Before or after dividend ?

Looking to expand my investment horizon since I am currently split my investment in shares & unit trusts.
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I have some investment in PBB, Magnum, BJToto and PBA.  Eyeing to purchase LPI and more of PBB shares right now, any tips on when to go in? Before or after dividend ?

Looking to expand my investment horizon since I am currently split my investment in shares & unit trusts.
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I would only go into LPI ex-dividend, as discussed earlier.
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I would only go into LPI ex-dividend, as discussed earlier.
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Pbbank seems quite stable, not much turbulence.

But dunno which one to buy, the Pbbank or Pbbank-01 ??

If both same price, which one better buy leh??
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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Feb 11 2008, 12:26 PM)
Pbbank seems quite stable, not much turbulence.

But dunno which one to buy, the Pbbank or Pbbank-01  ??

If both same price, which one better buy leh??
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if given a second chance, i'd take the PBBANK-O1 smile.gif
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Pana,

Do you mind to kindly explain a little why you prefer Pbbank-01 against Pbbank please?

With my limited knowledge, i just guess that foreign (pbbank-01) normally is 20-30sen higher than pbbank normal share. Am I right?

Local Malaysian ppl will buy Pbbank and foreigner/foreign fund will buy Pbbank-01.... betul kah ?
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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Feb 11 2008, 11:21 PM)
Pana,

Do you mind to kindly explain a little why you prefer Pbbank-01 against Pbbank please?

With my limited knowledge, i just guess that foreign (pbbank-01) normally is 20-30sen higher than pbbank normal share. Am I right?

Local Malaysian ppl will buy Pbbank and foreigner/foreign fund will buy Pbbank-01.... betul kah ?
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Pbbank-O1 is meant for foreigners holding with up to 30% of the total paid up capital. To be precise O1 doesn't have to 20-30 cents higher or lower than the local one, the market price is depended on foreigner willingness to buy/hold this stock. It can be much lower than local one, if foreigners wish to sell like 1997 case whereby O1 (back then called Pbbank-F) is much lower than the local/normal shares.

Actually foreigners also can buy Pbbank (local), just if Pbbank-O1 is full with 30% qouta then those foreigners buying local one won't have any voting right in company issue, but they still getting all the benefits like dividend, bonus etc except the voting right. So Pbbank-O1 can have a little higher price due to less supply (>30%).
Voting right is a important issue for those foreign international funds especially you are holding significant portion of it.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 12 2008, 09:18 AM)
Pbbank-O1 is meant for foreigners holding with up to 30% of the total paid up capital. To be precise O1 doesn't have to 20-30 cents higher or lower than the local one, the market price is depended on foreigner willingness to buy/hold this stock. It can be much lower than local one, if foreigners wish to sell like 1997 case whereby O1 (back then called Pbbank-F) is much lower than the local/normal shares.

Actually foreigners also can buy Pbbank (local), just if Pbbank-O1 is full with 30% qouta then those foreigners buying local one won't have any voting right in company issue, but they still getting all the benefits like dividend, bonus etc except the voting right. So Pbbank-O1 can have a little higher price due to less supply (>30%).
Voting right is a important issue for those foreign international funds especially you are holding significant portion of it.
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Dear Cherroy,
TQ for explanation. let say like u and me, if we wana buy publicbank share, which one is a better buy? let say if wanna keep for 1 year from now.
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Dear Cherroy,
TQ for explanation. let say like u and me, if we wana buy publicbank share, which one is a better buy? let say if wanna keep for 1 year from now.
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Normally, it is advisable to get the 'cheaper' one as for local Malaysia, both are the same.
But if one sees Pbbank-O1 price going to rise due to foreign fund influx, then might as well go ahead, as when there are some huge foreign money coming, in history, the foreign one was once having as much as Rm1.++ premium over the local one. But Pbbank-O1 can suffer more in price drop if there are huge outflow of foreign funds.
Whenever, the foreign holding start to exceeding the 30% then Pbbank-O1 tends to have some premium although it is not a must.

Actually, the 'foreign' shares can be a gauge (not foo;proof as sometimes individual stocks issue is more important)how much interest of foreigners in this market as for long term foreigner portfolio fund managers, there are not many stocks they can choose from KLSE, can't run away several big caps one.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 12 2008, 11:36 AM)
Normally, it is advisable to get the 'cheaper' one as for local Malaysia, both are the same.
But if one sees Pbbank-O1 price going to rise due to foreign fund influx, then might as well go ahead, as when there are some huge foreign money coming, in history, the foreign one was once having as much as Rm1.++ premium over the local one. But Pbbank-O1 can suffer more in price drop if there are huge outflow of foreign funds.
Whenever, the foreign holding start to exceeding the 30% then Pbbank-O1 tends to have some premium although it is not a must.

Actually, the 'foreign' shares can be a gauge (not foo;proof as sometimes individual stocks issue is more important)how much interest of foreigners in this market as for long term foreigner portfolio fund managers, there are not many stocks they can choose from KLSE, can't run away several big caps one.
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I think like this: now USA subprime is a fear factor in USA, so fund managers have tendency to withdraw investment from USA and pour to Asia market. Therefore Pbbank-O1 is a favourite to them, bcoz not much big cap stock for foreign fund managers to go in in Malaysia, except for a few. One of them is clearly this one as it is famous and got many awards and its financial performance is prudent with excellent track records year after year.
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One thing I respect Public Bank most is their ability to lend to "China man" without proper or complete documents, and yet their NPL is the lowest. They make efforts to know their customers' backgrounds, whereas other banks do not. I call this a hidden value. Some say this is an extra bonus.


Can you borrow loan without furnishing complete documents?
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Good or bad ---- You decide.

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All time high for both PBBANK & PBBANK-O1

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PBBANK : 11.80
PBBANK-O1 : 11.90


Dividend 50 sens ex-date would be on next week smile.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Feb 19 2008, 08:40 PM)
All time high for both PBBANK & PBBANK-O1

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PBBANK : 11.80
PBBANK-O1 : 11.90


Dividend 50 sens ex-date would be on next week smile.gif
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Any teh tarik party for the forumers, on Dr Pana's account. rclxms.gif

One golden egg may has to be forgone,

P/S : i think she is going to propose "virtual " teh tarik for us.l laugh.gif

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Feb 19 2008, 07:40 PM)
All time high for both PBBANK & PBBANK-O1

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PBBANK : 11.80
PBBANK-O1 : 11.90


Dividend 50 sens ex-date would be on next week smile.gif
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Pana,

Mine is the O1. I will keep for a while.

Congrat to u too
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Feb 19 2008, 08:11 PM)
Any teh tarik party for the forumers, on Dr Pana's account. rclxms.gif

One golden egg may has to be forgone,

P/S : i think she is going to propose "virtual " teh tarik for us.l laugh.gif
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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Feb 19 2008, 09:08 PM)
Pana,

Mine is the O1. I will keep for a while.

Congrat to u too
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let's keep it rclxms.gif
let's report how many PBBANK shares we have by the end of the year rclxms.gif
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just a notes here...

i noticed that there is a strong obstruction at 11.80

it is like whenever the price touches 11.80, it will slowly come back to 11.20, and go up to 11.80 again

i'd continue to observe, next week would be the ex-date week, shall see how the price is going to maneuver.



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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Feb 20 2008, 06:06 PM)
just a notes here...

i noticed that there is a strong obstruction at 11.80

it is like whenever the price touches 11.80, it will slowly come back to 11.20, and go up to 11.80 again

i'd continue to observe, next week would be the ex-date week, shall see how the price is going to maneuver.
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If Pbank can stay will at current price is good odeli. Imagine other stocks might fall 30% later on and your Pbank stays at current price, then you can do fund switching. Just joking. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Feb 20 2008, 05:13 PM)
If Pbank can stay will  at current price is  good odeli. Imagine other stocks might fall 30% later on and your Pbank stays at current price, then you can do fund switching. Just joking. tongue.gif
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i remember dreamer101 used to say :

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If there is a major crash and you are confident that PBBank can recover plus can continuing pay the dividend, you BUY MORE.


he is right, but to certain extend, i disagree.
if market crash, the one who has cash in hand is the winner

a senior share with me his story,

he said, during 1993 economic crash, he had a neighbour who sold *his apartment and got back a pile of cash in hand
during that time, everything in the stock market were dirt cheap, people are dumping their shares for cash
and this neighbour took the chance and picked up some good counters with the money after he sold his apartment
slowly, after years, market recovered,
the neighbour bought a bungalow out of the money he made from share market

sold an apartment and got a bungalow, pretty impressive, isn't he smile.gif

p/s: *i assume he has more than two houses
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Feb 20 2008, 05:06 PM)
just a notes here...

i noticed that there is a strong obstruction at 11.80

it is like whenever the price touches 11.80, it will slowly come back to 11.20, and go up to 11.80 again

i'd continue to observe, next week would be the ex-date week, shall see how the price is going to maneuver.
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Don't be too greedy lah, at current market condition especially for financial stock, staying put already very good liao. See others financial stock around the world, drop range from 30-70%. Even the stock is not moving, you are getting some dividend yield which is 2x of normal FD rate. <- still consider a win.

Also, stocks won't go straigh up one, mostly see-saw in between. Some period, it would be 'boring' one. smile.gif Even some of my holding also 'lazzy' to monitor much as known it mostly will hardly move.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 20 2008, 05:29 PM)
Don't be too greedy lah, at current market condition especially for financial stock, staying put already very good liao. See others financial stock around the world, drop range from 30-70%. Even the stock is not moving, you are getting some dividend yield which is 2x of normal FD rate. <- still consider a win.

Also, stocks won't go straigh up one, mostly see-saw in between. Some period it would be 'boring' one.  smile.gif
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exactly, i saw an opportunity to make some penny out of the see-saw moment laugh.gif

p/s: o'right, i understand a long term investor wouldn't care much about the see-saw moment
maybe i have been watching the counter too closely tongue.gif

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Bursa is coming down from 13th floor ( unlucky no ) to eleven floor , and soon to 10th floor.

Are you expecting Pbank to go up to 13t floor soon to replace Bursa ?
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Feb 20 2008, 05:33 PM)
Bursa is coming down from 13th floor ( unlucky no ) to eleven floor , and soon to 10th floor.

Are you expecting Pbank to go up to 13t floor soon to replace Bursa ?
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if i know its fate, by all means i'd jump out at 13th floor and wait for it at 10th laugh.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Feb 20 2008, 05:29 PM)
i remember dreamer101 used to say :
he is right, but to certain extend, i disagree.
if market crash, the one who has cash in hand is the winner

a senior share with me his story,

he said, during 1993 economic crash, he had a neighbour who sold *his apartment and got back a pile of cash in hand
during that time, everything in the stock market were dirt cheap, people are dumping their shares for cash
and this neighbour took the chance and picked up some good counters with the money after he sold his apartment
slowly, after years, market recovered,
the neighbour bought a bungalow out of the money he made from share market

sold an apartment and got a bungalow, pretty impressive, isn't he smile.gif

p/s: *i assume he has more than two houses
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panasonic88,

1) Hindsight is 20/20. I am preparing 2 to 5 years of living expense in cash or equivalent for the coming recession. So, I have the cash ready for quite a while. So, I do not have to sell anything to buy stuff.

<<he said, during 1993 economic crash, he had a neighbour who sold *his apartment and got back a pile of cash in hand
during that time, everything in the stock market were dirt cheap, people are dumping their shares for cash
and this neighbour took the chance and picked up some good counters with the money after he sold his apartment
slowly, after years, market recovered,
the neighbour bought a bungalow out of the money he made from share market>>

2) Think about this. This story is full of holes that does not make sense. Unless the person sold the house way before the recession, the person will either cannot sell or take a huge loss.

<<the neighbour bought a bungalow out of the money he made from share market>>

3) How smart is it to spend that much money on a bungalow?? It is an expense and it will not make money for you.

4) If the counter is good like Public bank, he do not need to sell to begin with??

5) How smart is it to sell a good dividend paying counter like Public bank and spend it on a bungalow that make you no money and cost more to maintain??

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i ain't sure how the real picture is as i wasn't there to witness everything thing

what i want to highlight is : cash is king when everything is down

it could change your apartment to a bungalow (doesn't mean you have to follow him, maybe he dream to own a bungalow since he is young, now he has the money, why not? everyone has their own way on spending money right)

good for you that you have your cash ready.
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Feb 21 2008, 08:09 AM)
i ain't sure how the real picture is as i wasn't there to witness everything thing

what i want to highlight is : cash is king when everything is down

it could change your apartment to a bungalow (doesn't mean you have to follow him, maybe he dream to own a bungalow since he is young, now he has the money, why not? everyone has their own way on spending money right)

good for you that you have your cash ready.
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Depending on what type of investor he is. If he is speculator, he might have to sell his property next time and rent an apartment. Wining and losing are parts of the games. Does his stop after wining, for example ? It is like a person going regularly to Genting casino. I think you just got half the story. Would like to hear more from you.

Cash is king, no doubt. 100% agree. But, big downside risk for dow has discounted for the time being. Speculation is still risky at this moment.

Take Pbank for example , share price is still trading above the price when the CI was at 1500pts right ? Meaning people take Pbank annual growth factor into account rather CI pts as yardstick.

There are still stocks able to move in the different direction of CI if you observe carefully.

If there is no prolonged crisis , people may buy after corrections of market ( but when is the bottom and lowest , you do not know ). Maybulk fell to rm 3.50 for a short while, could you manage to catch that price, for example ?

A 50% cash and 50% shares ( including REIT ) could be a better option.

Hope to hear more mature opinions from others.

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I am preparing 2 to 5 years of living expense in cash or equivalent for the coming recession. So, I have the cash ready for quite a while. So, I do not have to sell anything to buy stuff.


this is the difference why me & dreamer has different point of view.
he is well-prepared, i am not.
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this is the difference why me & dreamer has different point of view.
he is well-prepared, i am not.
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I do not want to comment on other people.

Prudence is good. I 100% agree with that.

Financing plannings for young people like you and the mature people are different.


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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Feb 21 2008, 08:05 AM)
Depending on what type of investor he is. If he is speculator, he might have to sell his property next time and rent an apartment. Wining and losing are parts of the games. Does his stop after wining, for example ? It  is like a person going regularly to Genting casino. I think you just got half the story. Would like to hear more from you.

Cash is king, no doubt. 100% agree. But, big downside risk for dow has discounted for the time being. Speculation is still risky at this moment.

Take Pbank for example , share price is still trading above the price when the CI was at 1500pts right ? Meaning people take Pbank annual growth factor into account rather CI pts as yardstick.

There are still stocks able to move in the different direction of CI if you observe carefully.

If there is no prolonged crisis , people may buy after corrections of market ( but when is the bottom and lowest , you do not know ). Maybulk fell to rm 3.50 for a short while, could you manage to catch that price, for example ?

A 50% cash and 50% shares ( including REIT ) could be a better option.

Hope to hear more mature opinions from others.
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SKY 1809,

My model is very simple. For PBBank, I am looking at the price where the dividend yield is good enough before I buy. For example, let's assume that PBBank annual dividend is RM0.80. And, dividend yield of 8% is my target. So, I will buy when the counter is at RM10 or lower. I am NOT aiming for the absolute bottom since no one can time it perfectly.

<<A 50% cash and 50% shares ( including REIT ) could be a better option. >>

We are probably at the different of our life. I will not put less than 5% and more than 20% in any single asset class.

Less than 5% is not worth my effort. More than 20% is too risky.

Dreamer

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SKY 1809,

My model is very simple.  For PBBank, I am looking at the price where the dividend yield is good enough before I buy.  For  example, let's assume that PBBank annual dividend is RM0.80.  And, dividend yield of 8% is my target.  So, I will buy when the counter is at RM10 or lower.  I am NOT aiming for the absolute bottom since no one can time it perfectly.

<<A 50% cash and 50% shares ( including REIT ) could be a better option. >>

We are probably at the different of our life.  I will not put less than 5% and more than 20% in any single asset class.

Less than 5% is not worth my effort.  More than 20% is too risky.

Dreamer
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Thank you for sharing. I do agree with your method. As I say earlier, it is very prudent.

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this is the difference why me & dreamer has different point of view.
he is well-prepared, i am not.
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We are all young, and working. If we have save some backup money, we can go all out. No need preparation
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We are all young, and working. If we have save some backup money, we can go all out. No need preparation
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QUOTE(sharesa @ Feb 21 2008, 10:57 AM)
why didn't you hold, I thought this company is promising?
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sold my pbb at 11.50 bought at 11.00 .. now at 11.70 ( so high )
how to buy ?? cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif
should have listen to my sister and keep pbb instead of buying genting.

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QUOTE(jongkolkhoo @ Feb 21 2008, 12:22 PM)
sold my pbb at 11.50 bought at 11.00 .. now at 11.70 ( so high )
how to buy ??   cry.gif   cry.gif   cry.gif 
should have listen to my sister and keep pbb instead of buying genting.
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as long as u earned liao...nvm la......now it's better for you to buy back when there is a big drop (hard to see it coming) or after ex-date for the dividend.....

at least u earned some during the weak market!

BTW...if i can prepare 2-5 yrs of savings..i think i need to wait another 10 yrs only can play share lo..hehehehe

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QUOTE(jongkolkhoo @ Feb 21 2008, 12:22 PM)
sold my pbb at 11.50 bought at 11.00 .. now at 11.70 ( so high )
how to buy ??  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif 
should have listen to my sister and keep pbb instead of buying genting.
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In investment, a rule of thumb is to never look back and never be greedy.
If the situation is recersed, you would be thanking the gods instead smile.gif
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In investment, a rule of thumb is to never look back and never be greedy.
If the situation is recersed, you would be thanking the gods instead smile.gif
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Actually I see some of the PBank investors are quite anti Public Mutual agents.

By right, people like Jordy and some agents who sold billions of funds that making Pbank stronger in time to come.

Do appreciate what Jordy has done for us. Thank you.
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Actually I see some of the PBank investors are quite anti Public Mutual agents.

By right, people like Jordy and some agents who sold billions of funds that making Pbank stronger in time to come.

Do appreciate what Jordy has done for us. Thank you.
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rclxm9.gif Gua also have some public mutual. in my pocket whistling.gif agent keep asking me to top up. advice me not to play so much on shares.
first encounter with mutual I bought on epf. now epf oledy penuh ( every 3 month i sign to top up) i add cash. but because it is crawling vmad.gif (mutual funds) and I got itchy hands rclxm9.gif , I think buying shares is much more fun.. wub.gif

I only play small time. don't have much money.
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leaving a notes here...

PBBANK 50 sens dividend exdate is today
price is dropping, at 10.90 now rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Feb 27 2008, 08:42 AM)
leaving a notes here...

PBBANK 50 sens dividend exdate is today
price is dropping, at 10.90 now rolleyes.gif
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if I buy pbbank today (feb 27 at 2.00pm) do i still qualify for the dividend ? drool.gif


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if I buy pbbank today (feb 27 at 2.00pm) do i still qualify for the dividend ? drool.gif
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not qualify. you must buy before the exdate. you should buy on yesterday.

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Feb 27 2008, 09:37 AM)
not qualify. you must buy before the exdate. you should buy on yesterday.
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tried buying at 11.30 yesterday but was not lucky cry.gif cry.gif
on the bright side, I have extra money for karaoke . brows.gif brows.gif
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B U S I N E S S

Wednesday February 27, 2008

Public Bank aims to maintain loan growth

PETALING JAYA: Public Bank Bhd, the country's second largest lender, aims to maintain double-digit loan growth this year.

Independent co-chairman Tan Sri Thong Yaw Hong told shareholders at the bank's AGM yesterday that this was among the targets, which also included a high dividend payout that would continue to create superior shareholder value.

The group's loans increased 20% to RM101.4bil at end-2007, giving it a domestic market share of 14.4%. At the same time, its customer deposits grew 24% to RM138.8bil.

Public Bank's net dividend payout for the financial year ended Dec 31, 2007 is expected to total RM1.85bil or 87% of net profit.

Tan Sri Teh Hong Piow (right) and Tan Sri Thong Yaw Hong
Its founder and chairman Tan Sri Teh Hong Piow said the banking group would continue to pursue its strategy of high organic loan and deposit growth, and improve cost efficiency and asset quality during the year.

The group would also further enhance its fee-based revenue.

"While we are pleased with the strong profit performance in 2007, I wish to reassure shareholders that the Public Bank group will continue to harness its resources to strive for another year of record performance in 2008," he said.

Teh also said the group intended to maintain the rate of increase in dividends in line with the rise in the group's profits.

To a shareholder's question on the group's succession plan and the possibility of the share price falling if Teh sold his stock, Thong said Teh had told the board of directors that he had no intention of disposing of his stake in the group.

"Teh will maintain his shares in Public Bank," he said.

Meanwhile, senior general manager Leong Kwok Nyem, in response to a question from the floor, said Public Bank was in strong position to deal with any possible effect of a slowdown in the US economy.

Malaysia's economy, being more domestic driven due stronger internal demand as well as Ninth Malaysia Plan spending, would be more resilient to an external slowdown and the group expected its domestic customers to also be resilient for this reason, Leong said.

He said Public Bank also had no plan at the moment to sell its treasury shares or distribute them to shareholders. To date, Public Bank has spent RM1.27bil buying back 176 million of its own shares or 5% of the bank's paid-up capital.



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Actually I see some of the PBank investors are quite anti Public Mutual agents.

By right, people like Jordy and some agents who sold billions of funds that making Pbank stronger in time to come.

Do appreciate what Jordy has done for us. Thank you.
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Oh, it has been awhile since I last checked this thread.
I must take this as a compliment from an old-timer biggrin.gif

I am very confident with PBBANK.
If the price touches RM10.50 by any chance, I would consider taking it.
I still need to think of accumulating my money, but PBBANK is considered defensive counter.
I need to weigh the pros and cons to come up with a solution.
Any opinions guys? smile.gif
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Feb 27 2008, 11:37 PM)
Oh, it has been awhile since I last checked this thread.
I must take this as a compliment from an old-timer biggrin.gif

I am very confident with PBBANK.
If the price touches RM10.50 by any chance, I would consider taking it.
I still need to think of accumulating my money, but PBBANK is considered defensive counter.
I need to weigh the pros and cons to come up with a solution.
Any opinions guys? smile.gif
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Jordy,

1) One strategy on accumulating the counter that you have strong confident on is to set a limit buy order at 10% to 15% below current price. So, you do not have to watch counter every day. If there is some kind of panic going on, it will hit your buy order.

2) Patient. Things will go BAD after GE. So, why are you in a rush to buy anything?? Do (1) and wait.

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Feb 28 2008, 12:37 AM)
Oh, it has been awhile since I last checked this thread.
I must take this as a compliment from an old-timer biggrin.gif

I am very confident with PBBANK.
If the price touches RM10.50 by any chance, I would consider taking it.
I still need to think of accumulating my money, but PBBANK is considered defensive counter.
I need to weigh the pros and cons to come up with a solution.
Any opinions guys? smile.gif
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If I were given a choice to choose between Pbank and " others ", I would choose Pbank.

Pbank. Put your hard earned money to where "the trust and faith are ." The management works day and night for you. The track records are there for you to see.

Others might look good on paper but comes with a catch.

P/s > i assume you had given me the permission to talk.

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making another note...

PBBANK is moving downtrend after the exdate

today PBBANK closed at 10.40 while PBBANK-O1 closed at 10.50

i wonder will PBBANK goes below 10? if yes, i would like to wait for it at 9.80 rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Feb 28 2008, 05:16 PM)
making another note...

PBBANK is moving downtrend after the exdate

today PBBANK closed at 10.40 while PBBANK-O1 closed at 10.50

i wonder will PBBANK goes below 10? if yes, i would like to wait for it at 9.80 rolleyes.gif
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I believe won't drop below RM10 for this current quarter unless KLCI crash again. Seems pretty strong above RM10.
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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Feb 28 2008, 05:29 PM)
I believe won't drop below RM10 for this current quarter unless KLCI crash again. Seems pretty strong above RM10.
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crossing finger, let's see smile.gif
please report in when you hit the "buy" button on PBBANK tongue.gif
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Feb 27 2008, 11:51 PM)
Jordy,

1)  One strategy on accumulating the counter that you have strong confident on is to set a limit buy order at 10% to 15% below current price.  So, you do not have to watch counter every day.  If there is some kind of panic going on, it will hit your buy order.

2) Patient.  Things will go BAD after GE.  So, why are you in a rush to buy anything?? Do (1) and wait.

Dreamer
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Yes, very good comment there bro smile.gif
Currently, I am still not going in yet because the time is way sooner than what I thought.
I would consider it after April.

QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Feb 28 2008, 12:03 AM)
If I were given a choice  to choose  between Pbank and " others ", I would choose Pbank.

Pbank. Put your hard earned money to  where "the trust and faith are ." The management works day and night for you. The track records are there for you to see.

Others might look good on paper but comes with a catch.

P/s > i assume you had  given me the permission to talk.
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Of course you have the permission to talk! smile.gif
PBBANK is definitely a good choice, but it is still not the best.
Management wise, I really have no doubts in PBBANK.
We will have to look at the loan performance now.
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Yes, very good comment there bro smile.gif
Currently, I am still not going in yet because the time is way sooner than what I thought.
I would consider it after April.
Of course you have the permission to talk! smile.gif
PBBANK is definitely a good choice, but it is still not the best.
Management wise, I really have no doubts in PBBANK.
We will have to look at the loan performance now.
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You need to compare Apple with Apple.

Foreign Banks like Citigroup always trying their best for benefits of the shareholders, but comes with Sub Prime problem.

The best as you know in PM could be just one year performance out performing others.

To me, bank with Lowest NPL and high annual growth rate of 20% is the BEST.

Chinese do not believe in Good Sales figures alone. but also good collections too. There are so many people want to borrow from you if it is for "FOC".


Just my 2 sen opinion.

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Hi All,

I'm new to stock. Is pbank share that attractive ? what's the bottom price for it? When would it giving out dividend?
Can you tell me more about this? I'm a greenhorn in this area. Hope you don't mind .




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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Feb 28 2008, 05:16 PM)
making another note...

PBBANK is moving downtrend after the exdate

today PBBANK closed at 10.40 while PBBANK-O1 closed at 10.50

i wonder will PBBANK goes below 10? if yes, i would like to wait for it at 9.80 rolleyes.gif
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Pbbank is going down due to its china financial risk, caused by usa subprime. but fundamentally, it is still strong
when reach 9.50, it will be an attractive buy.
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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Feb 29 2008, 12:41 AM)
Pbbank is going down due to its china financial risk, caused by usa subprime. but fundamentally, it is still strong
when reach 9.50, it will be an attractive buy.
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Hi Chinkw1.


What do u mean by the exdate? i don't understand it. Can explain?





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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Feb 28 2008, 11:24 PM)
To me, bank with  Lowest NPL and high  annual growth rate of 20% is the BEST.
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Of course I know banks with the lowest NPL is the best.
That is why I mentioned that I need to look at the loan performance before making my investment smile.gif
Currently, the bank with the lowest NPL is Maybank if I am not mistaken. They just sold RM1 Billion of NPL a few months ago. That is a very nice recovery strategy.


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Hi Chinkw1.
  What do u mean by the exdate? i don't understand it. Can explain?
Thank You.
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You are new in this, so I suggest taking a look at Bursa Malaysia's website before making any move. It is www.bursamalaysia.com.
Ex-date is a date when the investors are not entitled to receive dividends. If you buy anytime before the ex-date, only then you are entitled to receive the stipulated dividend.

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Feb 29 2008, 04:31 AM)
Of course I know banks with the lowest NPL is the best.
That is why I mentioned that I need to look at the loan performance before making my investment smile.gif
Currently, the bank with the lowest NPL is Maybank if I am not mistaken. They just sold RM1 Billion of NPL a few months ago. That is a very nice recovery strategy.


Added on February 29, 2008, 4:35 am

You are new in this, so I suggest taking a look at Bursa Malaysia's website before making any move. It is www.bursamalaysia.com.
Ex-date is a date when the investors are not entitled to receive dividends. If you buy anytime before the ex-date, only then you are entitled to receive the stipulated dividend.
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Jordy,

<<Currently, the bank with the lowest NPL is Maybank if I am not mistaken. They just sold RM1 Billion of NPL a few months ago. That is a very nice recovery strategy.>>

If a bank is managed properly, those NPL will not exist to begin with. And, I think you are mistaken about Maybank has the lowest NPL.

http://www.theedgedaily.com/cms/content.js...7b2220-e198c1db
<<Maybank's net non-performing loans (NPL) also improved to 2.69%, compared with 3.67% a year ago.>>

http://www.theedgedaily.com/cms/content.js...ebe180-ee5ffa83

<<Teh said the bank's net non-performing loan (NPL) ratio improved to 1.2% in FY07 from 1.6% a year earlier, with loan loss coverage standing at 119%, the highest in the local banking industry.>>

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Feb 29 2008, 06:15 AM)
Jordy,

<<Currently, the bank with the lowest NPL is Maybank if I am not mistaken. They just sold RM1 Billion of NPL a few months ago. That is a very nice recovery strategy.>>

If a bank is managed properly, those NPL will not exist to begin with.  And, I think you are mistaken about Maybank has the lowest NPL.

http://www.theedgedaily.com/cms/content.js...7b2220-e198c1db
<<Maybank's net non-performing loans (NPL) also improved to 2.69%, compared with 3.67% a year ago.>>

http://www.theedgedaily.com/cms/content.js...ebe180-ee5ffa83

<<Teh said the bank's net non-performing loan (NPL) ratio improved to 1.2% in FY07 from 1.6% a year earlier, with loan loss coverage standing at 119%, the highest in the local banking industry.>>

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Hi Dreamer,

You are right.

But I think Jordy is coming back to challenge you ( making the forum more exciting ).



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Yup, even Maybank sold off its NPL ratio, it is still higher than Pbbank. Locally, Pbbank has the lowest NPL ratio among all.

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When the best price to buy PBank ? Any ideas ? Do you think that it's the right time to go for it ?Any professional advice.





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When the best price to buy PBank ? Any ideas ? Do you think that it's the right time to go for it ?Any professional advice.
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The " best price " of Pbank that a forumer managed to buy is about RM 0.88. That was more than 10 years old.

Fair valuation at 2008e is RM 9.90. But there is no guarantee that the market price would not fall below this price.

I mean there is no floor and ceiling price, subject to demand and supply factor.

You may have opportunity to buy cheaper later, but not at rm 0.88.

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QUOTE(DJWC @ Feb 29 2008, 11:48 AM)
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When the best price to buy PBank ? Any ideas ? Do you think that it's the right time to go for it ?Any professional advice.
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There is no 'best price', the 'best price' is always 'as low as possible'. tongue.gif
You don't know how far a stock can go down or go up.

Also, purely using the figure alone is not accurate to tell. Stock can have stock split, bonus issue which make the share price become 'small'. Just like Genting it was a Rm40, now is RM6.80 but this 6.80 is equivalent to 5x6.80 = 34.00.
Stock price alone means not much, it is a relative return rate potential that matter the most, that's why people come out some PE ratio, dividend yield etc to justify the stock is cheap or not.

Just my 2 cents.

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making a note here...

based on my past two months observation,
PBBANK lowest / bottom price was 10.30...

any possibility to go lower than it? rolleyes.gif

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making a note here...

based on my past two months observation,
PBBANK lowest / bottom price was 10.30...

any possibility to go lower than it? rolleyes.gif
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RM10.30 before ex-dividend. So I expect it can come down a little lower but stay above RM10 if there was a sudden sell-off or something.
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Jordy,

<<Currently, the bank with the lowest NPL is Maybank if I am not mistaken. They just sold RM1 Billion of NPL a few months ago. That is a very nice recovery strategy.>>

If a bank is managed properly, those NPL will not exist to begin with.  And, I think you are mistaken about Maybank has the lowest NPL.

http://www.theedgedaily.com/cms/content.js...7b2220-e198c1db
<<Maybank's net non-performing loans (NPL) also improved to 2.69%, compared with 3.67% a year ago.>>

http://www.theedgedaily.com/cms/content.js...ebe180-ee5ffa83

<<Teh said the bank's net non-performing loan (NPL) ratio improved to 1.2% in FY07 from 1.6% a year earlier, with loan loss coverage standing at 119%, the highest in the local banking industry.>>

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 29 2008, 10:15 AM)
Yup, even Maybank sold off its NPL ratio, it is still higher than Pbbank. Locally, Pbbank has the lowest NPL ratio among all.
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Ah, my mistake guys! Thank you dreamer for the very helpful information smile.gif
Well then, I guess there is no doubt with PBBANK anymore smile.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Feb 29 2008, 06:36 PM)
making a note here...

based on my past two months observation,
PBBANK lowest / bottom price was 10.30...

any possibility to go lower than it? rolleyes.gif
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The above is based on the assumption that BN is to retain 2/3 majority, failing which price could fall below RM 10..

Just my 2sen opinion.
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RM10.30 before ex-dividend. So I expect it can come down a little lower but stay above RM10 if there was a sudden sell-off or something.
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Feb 29 2008, 08:21 PM)
The above is based on the assumption that BN is to  retain 2/3 majority, failing which price could fall below RM 10..

Just my 2sen opinion.
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you got the point, i am waiting for the polling day before making any decision. rolleyes.gif
p/s: but nevertheless, 10.30 is indeed a yummy price for me~
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Feb 29 2008, 08:21 PM)
The above is based on the assumption that BN is to  retain 2/3 majority, failing which price could fall below RM 10..

Just my 2sen opinion.
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Feb 29 2008, 08:42 PM)
you got the point, i am waiting for the polling day before making any decision.  rolleyes.gif
p/s: but nevertheless, 10.30 is indeed a yummy price for me~
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All,

IMHO, all counters in KLSE will drop in general after GE. The simple reason is the counters are supported aka window dressing by ASx/EPF and so on. After GE, they no longer have to do that and they will use those fund for something else.

So, it does not matter whatever the GE's result is. It will go down.

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Are you sure with your statement ? A lot of forummers is going to take your view seriously.



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Hi dreamer101

Are you sure with your statement ? A lot of forummers is going to take your view seriously.

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Hey DJWC dude,

Wah lao... sounds like a threat to dreamer. blink.gif
Let me amend your statement to reflect what you truly want to say brows.gif :

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Opinions dispensed here are only opinions. Whether you choose to listen/believe them or not is totally up to you. And only you alone can be responsible for the consequences, whether good or bad.
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Let the NPL accumalate higher, rename it Super Grade Asset Mortgage then sell it to EPF and make super profit.

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Are you sure with your statement ? A lot of forummers is going to take your view seriously.
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DJWC,

1) Ask yourself a simple question, why do we have so MANY ASx offering in 2007? Do you count them?

QUOTE(Kinitos @ Feb 29 2008, 11:07 PM)
Let the NPL accumalate higher, rename it Super Grade Asset Mortgage then sell it to EPF and make super profit.
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Kinitos,

2) You are ASSUMING that EPF has the money to buy. PBBank do not need that anyhow.

3) Normally, this is done with OIL MONEY from Petronas. Do we have the OIL MONEY to do that?

All,

This is simply my opinion. Our economy is sustained by the two OILS: Palm Oil and Oil. Nothing else is doing well. Past few years, our economy is sustained by domestic consumption.

A) So, is enough people HELP or HURT by the two OILS for the economy to grow??

B) Even if the economy is growing at 5% or 6%, our stock market has GONE UP so much that it CANNOT be sustained by the grow rate of 5% or 6%.

C) Then, why the stock market is going up but the economy is not doing that well?? Who are the buyers?

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DJWC,

1)  Ask yourself a simple question, why do we have so MANY ASx offering in 2007?  Do you count them?
Kinitos,

2)  You are ASSUMING that EPF has the money to buy.  PBBank do not need that anyhow.

3) Normally, this is done with OIL MONEY from Petronas.  Do we have the OIL MONEY to do that?

All,

This is simply my opinion.  Our economy is sustained by the two OILS: Palm Oil and Oil.  Nothing else is doing well.  Past few years, our economy is sustained by domestic consumption. 

A) So, is enough people HELP or HURT by the two OILS for the economy to grow??

B) Even if the economy is growing at 5% or 6%, our stock market has GONE UP so much that it CANNOT be  sustained by the grow rate of 5% or 6%.

C) Then, why the stock market is going up but the economy is not doing that well??  Who are the buyers?

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I'm a greenhorn in this area. Well,i really don't know why there are so many ASX offering in 2007 ? mind to give me the answer?



C) i know who is the buyers? Is it the foreign investor? hmm.gif

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woah PBBANK drop to almost 5 months low, must vote BN this time.
so that Bank Negara can print more money to pump up the stock market
oh yeah oh yeah

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you got the point, i am waiting for the polling day before making any decision.  rolleyes.gif
p/s: but nevertheless, 10.30 is indeed a yummy price for me~
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last week i bought at 10.50.
today may be break <10.00.
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last week i bought at 10.50.
today may be break <10.00.
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U.S market closed at -300++ last friday
this morning KLCI slumped to 1338 (-19 points)

it is 9.15AM and PBBANK has dropped 20 sens
priced at RM 10.30 now...
maybe next week or the week after would be a better time to enter rolleyes.gif

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U.S market closed at -300++ last friday
this morning KLCI slumped to 1338 (-19 points)

it is 9.15AM and PBBANK has dropped 20 sens
priced at RM 10.30 now...
maybe next week or the week after would be a better time to enter  rolleyes.gif
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Why the index fall so sharply today? what trigger it?






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Why the index fall so sharply today? what trigger it?
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not only malaysia, other regional markets are down, too

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partly also affected by U.S market perfomance on last friday
not only malaysia, other regional markets are down, too
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Is it time to pick up some? wink.gif







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Hi  Panasonic88
Is it time to pick up some? wink.gif
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KLCI drops 21pts.

Pbank lost one golden egg only.

Still not bad.
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wat chance of KLSE to go up in this week? should sell everything and pick up next week?
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most senior member says after GE will drop somemore wor...but nobody knows for sure as regionally...all influenced n affected by US......
i will monitor till thurs n fri just before GE ....if price dropped a lot...then might consider entering..if still almost the same (like 10.0-10.3) then rather wait for next week after GE is over n monitor somemore.....

i was still targetting 10.30 as a good price previously just before Dow dropped 300++ points.....

i had to re-evaluate since then to reduce my target price....nt rushing anything
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most senior member says after GE will drop somemore wor...but nobody knows for sure as regionally...all influenced n affected by US......
i will monitor till thurs n fri just before GE ....if price dropped a lot...then might consider entering..if still almost the same (like 10.0-10.3) then rather wait for next week after GE is over n monitor somemore.....

i was still targetting 10.30 as a good price previously just before Dow dropped 300++ points.....

i had to re-evaluate since then to reduce my target price....nt rushing anything
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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Mar 3 2008, 02:32 PM)
most senior member says after GE will drop somemore wor...but nobody knows for sure as regionally...all influenced n affected by US......
i will monitor till thurs n fri just before GE ....if price dropped a lot...then might consider entering..if still almost the same (like 10.0-10.3) then rather wait for next week after GE is over n monitor somemore.....

i was still targetting 10.30 as a good price previously just before Dow dropped 300++ points.....

i had to re-evaluate since then to reduce my target price....nt rushing anything
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Most investors (including foreign fund) are concern about the inflation impact on the economy as there are plenty of goods in Malaysia are under heavy subsidy which gov won't be afford to keep on subsidise like previous due to significant rise in comodities and oil price. (Petrol is one of the best example).
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The data i attain is wrong is it on CPO ??
My data shows today, CPO up by 10%, a whooping +393 to 4243.0. 10% up in a single day.

OMG, imagine how much things will increase in price after GE. cry.gif
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U.S market closed at -300++ last friday
this morning KLCI slumped to 1338 (-19 points)

it is 9.15AM and PBBANK has dropped 20 sens
priced at RM 10.30 now...
maybe next week or the week after would be a better time to enter  rolleyes.gif
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market closed

PBBANK closed at 10.30
PBBANK-O1 closed at 10.20

this is getting more & more interesting!
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market closed

PBBANK closed at 10.30
PBBANK-O1 closed at 10.20

this is getting more & more interesting!
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Do you think that PBBANK will go back to RM9:00 ?





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  Do you think that PBBANK will go back to RM9:00 ?
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US subprime will indirectly affect banking stocks world wide. Pbbank may go down but with its strong fundamental, it wont go far off the mark. I think 10 is a reasobably good price, 9.50 is better, 9 is best.
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just now i "accidentally" saw PBBANK buy price at 9.95 (woot!)
but it quickly bounce back to 10.00 & 10.10
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alright, another stormy day for PBBANK

PBBANK closed at 10.10
PBBANK-O1 closed at 10.00

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will it come to 9.80 - 9.90 on tomorrow?
judging that it dropped about 20 sens a day rolleyes.gif
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this is just great man.....looks like it's gonna drop like a rock....

i'm a noob here...would like to get some comments from all the sifoos here...

i've got one lot of PBB-01 share, that i got some time back(early '07)....with the current situation...and the uncertainty of the GE outcome....i've been having some sleepless nites...

kept thinking whether to let it go or not....

so, basically, i'm lost....

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this is just great man.....looks like it's gonna drop like a rock....

i'm a noob here...would like to get some comments from all the sifoos here...

i've got a lot of PBB-01 share, that i got some time back(early '07)....with the current situation...and the uncertainty of the GE outcome....i've been having some sleepless nites...

kept thinking whether to let it go or not....

so, basically, i'm lost....
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wow you are holding a good share yet you are having a sleepless night! ohmy.gif
imagine if you have some call warrant in hands! insomnia for the rest of the month(s) ka?

steady man biggrin.gif

i am interested to know how much did you buy the PBBANK-O1?
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haha my target price for pbb around RM8 to rm9 around there....
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this is just great man.....looks like it's gonna drop like a rock....

i'm a noob here...would like to get some comments from all the sifoos here...

i've got one lot of PBB-01 share, that i got some time back(early '07)....with the current situation...and the uncertainty of the GE outcome....i've been having some sleepless nites...

kept thinking whether to let it go or not....

so, basically, i'm lost....
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ravewar,

Why do you buy the stock to begin with?? For PBBank, the main attraction is the dividend that you collect every year. So, you do not have to sell to make money. The only time that I look at price is to buy more.

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QUOTE(ravewar @ Mar 4 2008, 05:25 PM)
this is just great man.....looks like it's gonna drop like a rock....

i'm a noob here...would like to get some comments from all the sifoos here...

i've got one lot of PBB-01 share, that i got some time back(early '07)....with the current situation...and the uncertainty of the GE outcome....i've been having some sleepless nites...

kept thinking whether to let it go or not....

so, basically, i'm lost....
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Edit: I have to eat my words already, PBBANK did drop below RM10. Looks like RM10 wasn't the strongest support after all.

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9.95 now .. and at that price the sell queue is way more than buy queue .. expecting it to fall further .. just queued to buy @ 9.90 .. hopefully can grab some
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9.95 now .. and at that price the sell queue is way more than buy queue .. expecting it to fall further .. just queued to buy @ 9.90 .. hopefully can grab some
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me, still prefer to stay sideline with cash in hand.

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i think should be able to get at 9.90 today...

me, still prefer to stay sideline with cash in hand.
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i think iw iould enter market when around june that will be some better time to enter for what i predict
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i think iw iould enter market when around june that will be some better time to enter for what i predict
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can consider to buy now and keep until June (based on your prediction)
the PBBANK flower would blossom by that time rolleyes.gif
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88, i got my unit before the boom....can't really remember when i actually got it....

anyway, juz wondering how low you guys would predict it'll hit?




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oh yeah, there goes another day

as expected, PBBANK dropped another 15 sens today

PBBANK closed at 9.95 (touched 9.00 at one time)
PBBANK-O1 closed at 9.95

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assuming DJIA is below 12,000 tonight
we'll probably see PBBANK at 9.80 next rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Mar 5 2008, 06:09 PM)
oh yeah, there goes another day

as expected, PBBANK dropped another 15 sens today

PBBANK closed at 9.95 (touched 9.00 at one time)
PBBANK-O1 closed at 9.95

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assuming DJIA is below 12,000 tonight
we'll probably see PBBANK at 9.80 next rolleyes.gif
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Pbank at 9.00, sure kah ?

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Pbank at 9.00, sure kah ?
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unlikely bah, unless something bad really really happen.

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PBBank's announced the Employees' Share Option Scheme commencing 7th march....

would this affect negatively towards their value?
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PBBank's announced the Employees' Share Option Scheme commencing 7th march....

would this affect negatively towards their value?
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 6 2008, 10:39 AM)
No effect or not much effect.
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Hi All,


I think the the PBBANK will down again. What do SKY1809,dreamer101,Chinkw1 and Panasonic88 would think about the current trend?



Should all the investor go after the GE or wait further until JUNE ?





Thank YOu.
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Hi All,
I think the the PBBANK will down again. What do SKY1809,dreamer101,Chinkw1 and Panasonic88 would think about the current trend?
Should all the investor go after the GE or wait further until JUNE ?
Thank YOu.
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P/s, you say Pbank should go down first, it is quite true also, but why ? I am also learning from you.

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making a note here...

the dropping of financial stock - PBBANK looks like eased...

no more further dropping after it touched lowest at 9.90

i am curious to know what would happen to the price on Monday (after GE result is out), let's stay tune rolleyes.gif
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i'm curious too...

but whatever the outcome of the GE, i'm speculating that it'll hover around the rm10 mark for a coupla months, till the GE craze settles down.....
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IMHO, you are asking the WRONG question. In this case, you should ask what is the RIGHT price for you to buy. If the RIGHT price is RM8, you have at least 2 batches of money. You set the first batch at RM8. If it hit, you buy.

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Share with us of what you think of share market, and why ?remember there is no right or wrong way. Just put up your own thinking will do.

P/s, you say Pbank should go down first, it is quite true also, but why ? I am also learning from you.
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I don't really know but i'm very convinced that since a lot of negative news coming out from everywhere.
I think mostly it won't sustain in a very high price. In all of that, i will think most of the blue chips stock will drop tommorrow.

I really hope that i'm wrong.
Please correct me some one.




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Hi,

  I don't really know but i'm very convinced that since a lot of negative news coming out from everywhere.
I think mostly it won't sustain in a very high price.  In all of that, i will think most of the blue chips stock will drop tommorrow.

I really hope that i'm wrong.
Please correct me some one.
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There could be panic sell esp those bought for contra purposes .

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Well.


lets see the tommorrow market. it's very exciting outcome.



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9.7 morning session ..

everything red .. Gamuda terus lost 20% in the morning drop until 2.8

Digi also drop till 21.6

hoho .. uncertain times ahead .. everyone cautious
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0202 GMT [Dow Jones] STOCK CALL: Citigroup retains defensive stance on Malaysian financials; recommends switching away from banks with higher proportion of capital markets-related income, such as Bumiputra-Commerce (1023.KU) and AMMB (1015.KU), to more defensive consumer/SME franchises with high dividend yields such as Public Bank (1295.KU), Maybank (1155.KU) and Hong Leong Bank (5819.KU). "Banks continue to see good loan growth rates. We estimate loan growth this year to average 9%, from a bottoms-up approach, which is in line with the estimated nominal GDP growth rate of 8.4%," says Citi in report. Adds, banks will continue to enjoy good NPL recoveries and low NPL formation rates into 2008. Among top picks, keeps Buy on Maybank, target price MYR10.63; share down 4.5% at MYR8.55; Public Bank (1295.KU), target MYR12.53, share down 3.9% at MYR9.80; Alliance Financial Group (1163.KU) down 5.4% at MYR2.61, target MYR3.39; Hong Leong Bank (5819.KU) target MYR7.46, down 3.6% at MYR5.40. KLCI down 7.2%. (VGB)



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bro i am interested to invest. so can i still go for pbank? is it a good time today?
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oh man, this is a day to remember!!

GE aftermath! shocking.gif

KLCI trading halted* for the first time ever! shocking.gif

KLCI halted at 3.05PM
CI stopped at 1166.32 (-130.01)
PBBANK & O1 on big sales, too, closed at 9.50 (-0.70)

*trading halted means KLCI falls by an aggregare of 10% or more of the previous market day's closing index

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damn geng man .. lol this is historical

i was checking halfway then suddenly "hmm how come all buy/sell at 0 quantity"

thought my website got pasal pun ahahah

PBB drop slow liao, compared to the rest, which is a good thing

.. GLCs suffer big time

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damn geng man .. lol this is historical

i was checking halfway then suddenly "hmm how come all buy/sell at 0 quantity"

thought my website got pasal pun ahahah

PBB drop slow liao, compared to the rest, which is a good thing

.. GLCs suffer big time
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1 transaction of 445k shares were sold down for PBBANK at RM9.60. Biggest transaction so far. Such a big amount is sure big time player one.
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1 transaction of 445k shares were sold down for PBBANK at RM9.60. Biggest transaction so far. Such a big amount is sure big time player one.
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eh, how to check ah? I using OSK online trading portal .. how to see the last transaction how many lots?
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eh, how to check ah? I using OSK online trading portal .. how to see the last transaction how many lots?
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Unfortunately I'm using OSK as well and it doesn't show time and sales report.

I'm using a third party website which has this function. Go to Invest Asia Online

Just need to register for some basic functions for free. If you pay I think more options open up.

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Unfortunately I'm using OSK as well and it doesn't show time and sales report.

I'm using a third party website which has this function. Go to Invest Asia Online

Just need to register for some basic functions for free. If you pay I think more options open up.
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fuh....unbelievable....PBB dropped all the way down.....speechless....
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fuh....unbelievable....PBB dropped all the way down.....speechless....
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oh man, this is a day to remember!!

GE aftermath!  shocking.gif

KLCI trading halted* for the first time ever!  shocking.gif

KLCI halted at 3.05PM
CI stopped at 1166.32 (-130.01)
PBBANK & O1 on big sales, too, closed at 9.50 (-0.70)

*trading halted means KLCI falls by an aggregare of 10% or more of the previous market day's closing index
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KLCI resumed trading at 3.58PM
selling pressure was still strong, however CI managed to rebound back to 1173.22 (-123.11) at 5 o'clock

PBBANK lowest was 9.35
PBBANK-O1 lowest was 9.45

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PBBANK closed at 9.55 while O1 closed at 9.50

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wow this is madness
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oh so sparta huh? guys please do not treat here as kopitiam.

treat it as erm, high class pbbank cafe, perhaps biggrin.gif
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oh so sparta huh? guys please do not treat here as kopitiam.

treat it as erm, high class pbbank cafe, perhaps biggrin.gif
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Hi Pana.

How's your analysis for the PBank ? Have you entered ?



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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Mar 10 2008, 05:04 PM)
KLCI resumed trading at 3.58PM
selling pressure was still strong, however CI managed to rebound back to 1173.22 (-123.11) at 5 o'clock

PBBANK lowest was 9.35
PBBANK-O1 lowest was 9.45

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PBBANK closed at 9.55 while O1 closed at 9.50
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making a record here...

KLCI rebounded after losing 123 points yesterday
KLCI closed at 1206.54 (+33.32)

PBBANK & O1 closed at 9.90 (+0.40)

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Looking good today, back to > RM 10
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Looking good today, back to > RM 10
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good share no scare
i am more interested to see how low it can go biggrin.gif

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good share no scare
i am more interested to see how low it can go biggrin.gif
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P/s : all new comers must buy Pbank before getting any advice. just joking.

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Just gotten my dividend on PBB. smile.gif
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i gotten mine, too,
first dividend from PBBANK, wow!
i given dad & mum a small ang pow, as a appreciation to them (err for directing me to get PBBANK? hahaha!)
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It is reported that CIMB top pick Pbank ( replacing Maybank) in Financial sector.

Good for Pbank's retail investors.

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i gotten mine, too,
first dividend from PBBANK, wow!
i given dad & mum a small ang pow, as a appreciation to them (err for directing me to get PBBANK? hahaha!)
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wah...then u must have a lot of PBBANK! i'm still collecting now.....
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I miss the boat. darn it.


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Can I ask ..

PBB gives after-tax dividend right? For instance, one is entitled to RM1 but we get only RM 0.7 and taxable RM 0.3

And I understand we can claim RM 0.3 from tax department. May I know how?

But let say one's income is already subjected to the highest tax bracket of 28% , can he or she still claim the taxed dividend?

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Can I ask ..

PBB gives after-tax dividend right? For instance, one is entitled to RM1 but we get only RM 0.7 and taxable RM 0.3

And I understand we can claim RM 0.3 from tax department. May I know how?

But let say one's income is already subjected to the highest tax bracket of 28% , can he or she still claim the taxed dividend?

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As of 2008, franked dividends (ie claimable tax) has been abolished and replaced with single-tier tax system.
Now every dividend is taxed at the highest corporate tax rate of 26%, regardless of your tax bracket.
So, for those below tax bracket of 26%, they lose out. For those above tax bracket of 26%, it is a savings.
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First time i enter Lowyat forum, so surprise seeing a lot of stock expert here. Just to say hello to everyone..... Public Bank is a good share to keep .....
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Pbbank very good! no joke. Never regrer buying it. Got nice capital gains, and got nice dividends. What more can ask for hor....
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but pbbank is so expensive....1 lot already over 1k....i hvnt hv enough money to buy...

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I do not think out of over 1 thousand listed companies in Bursa Malaysia, only PBBANK is good. You can always look for other counters with good fundamentals and paying high dividends which suit your budget. A few good low priced dividend counters are discussed frequently in http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/596903.
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Mar 15 2008, 11:28 PM)
I do not think out of over 1 thousand listed companies in Bursa Malaysia, only PBBANK is good. You can always look for other counters with good fundamentals and paying high dividends which suit your budget. A few good low priced dividend counters are discussed frequently in http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/596903.
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Jordy,

I bet to differ. IMHO, there are less than 5 companies in KLSE that is WORTH investing. You can speculate on the rest.

A) 50% of the KLSE is Government or GLC or GLIC owned. So, they are out of question. Aka, too much political risk.

B) How many industries are GUARANTEED to make money?? Only financial and gambling companies.

C) How many of those companies in those 2 industries treat minority share holder fairly by giving out good dividend and no strange inter companies loan, political loan??? As far as I can tell, only one left.

So, besides PBBank, there are may be only a few more that is worth investing. And, they are NOT necessary better than PBBank either.

My definition of investing is you can buy the counter and goes to sleep for 5 years. You do not have to care whether there is a recession or so on.

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P.S.: It is against my interest to offer this advice. I want as many peope to panic and drive the price down so that I can buy more. I am not selling my stock for any price at this moment.
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what is the minimum? I also want to invest.
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Jordy,

I bet to differ.  IMHO, there are less than 5 companies in KLSE that is WORTH investing.  You can speculate on the rest.

A) 50% of the KLSE is Government or GLC or GLIC owned.  So, they are out of question.  Aka, too much political risk.

B) How many industries are GUARANTEED to make money?? Only financial and gambling companies.

C) How many of those companies in those 2 industries treat minority share holder fairly by giving out good dividend and no strange inter companies loan, political loan??? As far as I can tell, only one left.

So, besides PBBank, there are may be only a few more that is worth investing.  And, they are NOT necessary better than PBBank either.

My definition of investing is you can buy the counter and goes to sleep for 5 years.  You do not have to care whether there is a recession or so on.

Dreamer

P.S.: It is against my interest to offer this advice.  I want as many peope to panic and drive the price down so that I can buy more.  I am not selling my stock for any price at this moment.
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Dreamer, your opinion is much appreciated. I do agree with you that GLCs are not even worth a look at, but as of now, deity01 is looking for a counter with good DY below RM10, so I am giving him a piece of advice that there ARE counters with reasonable DY below RM10. No doubt PBBANK is a great counter, but with limited cash, one can look for other alternatives too. I do not name any counter because it is up to deity01 to make his decision.
Just sharing my 2 cents though, not intended to offend anyone smile.gif
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Mar 15 2008, 11:47 PM)
Dreamer, your opinion is much appreciated. I do agree with you that GLCs are not even worth a look at, but as of now, deity01 is looking for a counter with good DY below RM10, so I am giving him a piece of advice that there ARE counters with reasonable DY below RM10. No doubt PBBANK is a great counter, but with limited cash, one can look for other alternatives too. I do not name any counter because it is up to deity01 to make his decision.
Just sharing my 2 cents though, not intended to offend anyone smile.gif
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Jordy,

If a person has less than $1K in cash, the person SHOULD NOT invest on anything. At the minimum, a person should have 3 to 6 months of expenses in savings before they can talk about investing.

And, if a person has less than 1K to invest, any individual stock is a bad answer anyhow. Unit trust make more sense.

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Jordy,

If a person has less than $1K in cash, the person SHOULD NOT invest on anything.  At the minimum, a person should have 3 to 6 months of expenses in savings before they can talk about investing.

And, if a person has less than 1K to invest, any individual stock is a bad answer anyhow.  Unit trust make more sense.

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well person like me who has less then 1k but i still go for good dividend share. as time when i collected sufficient money i buy again.
so if depend on the person risk portfolio.
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well person like me who has less then 1k but i still go for good dividend share. as time when i collected sufficient money i buy again.
so if depend on the person risk portfolio.
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ahpoh,

So, if we hit recession and have a bear market for 2 years, what are you going to live on? You WILL be forced to sell your share at a loss.

<<so if depend on the person risk portfolio.>>

You can ONLY afford to take risk if you have emergency fund.

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omg...my little questions started a flame......:-/

well...i am new to investment for sure at the moment....

well...for unit trust...i hv about 6k in it...
for cash...i hv about 2 months of my current salary...
i hv another 2k cash loanned to somebody....
i hv IL insurance...
i just started my stock investment..so i hv invested 1k in it...

so....okok...u r right...i really hv less then 1k in my investment fund for now...:-)

i tend to slowly build up my saving n my investment at the same time...
when i get my saving equal to 3 months of my investment...then i will adjust my saving/investment ratio...i will put more on investment at tat time.....

as for my loan debts...i am able to handle it...dont worry..
i dont live a fancy life...aka going to pub or drink or smoke or gamble or womens...i dont use credit card...
my monthly expenses are almost a constant at the moment for each month..

i wont worry about the bear market or it hits recession...my salary..although is low...but is already enough to cover my expenses n yet allow me to hv extra money to make investment..

and i am aware of risk but i dont affraid of risk..

so my main problem now is how to do fundamental analysis correctly, ie interpret financial report correctly.... and how to determine the actual price of a stock..:-)

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well person like me who has less then 1k but i still go for good dividend share. as time when i collected sufficient money i buy again.
so if depend on the person risk portfolio.
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Dont invest in anything if you have no idea how the investment vehicle works. You mean you have less than 1k per month or total of 1k money for investment? sounds like you dont know anything. Dont buy a counter just because of dividend yield.
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QUOTE(deity01 @ Mar 16 2008, 02:42 AM)

and i am aware of risk but i dont affraid of risk..

so my main problem now is how to do fundamental analysis correctly, ie interpret financial report correctly.... and how to determine the actual price of a stock..:-)

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fantastic attitude to have for an investor. The only concern here is whether one thinks they know the risk when the ACTUAL risk is far greater than what they know wink.gif



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ahpoh,

So, if we hit recession and have a bear market for 2 years, what are you going to live on?  You WILL be forced to sell your share at a loss.

<<so if depend on the person risk portfolio.>>

You can ONLY afford to take risk if you have emergency fund. 

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for me i think is fine if hit recession, my main purpose is to buy and lock it.of course time to time will collect money from other source of income.

QUOTE(Vv.SoViEt.vV @ Mar 16 2008, 12:38 PM)
Dont invest in anything if you have no idea how the investment vehicle works. You mean you have less than 1k per month or total of 1k money for investment? sounds like you dont know anything. Dont buy a counter just because of dividend yield.
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well sometime i don't really know some of the important part of share such as PE, still trying to find out.
i already diversify the invesment to share,unit trust and normal saving as well as monthly insurance invesment. (just a student).
so when each holiday will work and it will help me last for 6month.
i do buy counter that make me confort about and the background of the company i know.

people say the stock is good, but how good is it need to study by yourself not just listen only.

so in the end of the day still come back to,are you able to take small risk, medium risk or the high risk.
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with this counter, evenwhen recession come and got fire from your job the dividend alone is enough for you to survive and continue zzzzzzz

Rule No.1# Never run away from burning house
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QUOTE(Kinitos @ Mar 16 2008, 03:36 PM)
with this counter, evenwhen recession come and got fire from your job the dividend alone is enough for you to survive and continue zzzzzzz

Rule No.1# Never run away from burning house
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Huh?!?

Please explain how do you NOT run away from a burning house?

Dividends depends how much the person buys. A dividend for example can be 10% per year. Even if you put RM100k that would mean only RM10k for 12 months. Less than RM1k a month.

Most dividends does NOT reach 10% and capital depreciation of your investment during the recesion periods will dwindle your RM100k to RM70K for example. So that's even less than RM1k a month from dividends.

Please don't get me wrong, I love, admire and hold dividend counters. But kind of hard to survive with just 'dividends' when got no job and recession looming. Although I do get the spirit of your statement, which is the best stocks to hold are still dividend stocks, if not due to stability of the stock, also it's ability to give cash returns even during recession.

But I still don't get your 'Rule No. 1' though. I'm not sure if it is a typo or was it something you really meant. If you can explain it just so I don't feel like I'm mising something. nod.gif


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QUOTE(Kinitos @ Mar 16 2008, 03:36 PM)
with this counter, evenwhen recession come and got fire from your job the dividend alone is enough for you to survive and continue zzzzzzz

Rule No.1# Never run away from burning house
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DY for PBBANK is around 7%, so it means that by investing RM10,000 you are only getting around [RM700 - 26% tax]. Is this what you mean 'enough' to survive for the whole year through? Even if you have 10 lots of it, it would only give you [RM7,000 - 26% tax]. It still wouldn't be enough for me to live through a year wink.gif
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The way I see it :-

There are juniors want to do some savings by way of investing in Pbank shares. From the financial planning point of view, saving a certain sum of money each month always come first ( expenses next ). Maybe they have good intention to save, but do not know a proper way to do it. After all, most Malaysians believe in DIY method when come to personal financial planning.

Then most seniors object or trying to impose their DIY methods on the juniors. They may good intention too.

However, financial planning has to be tailored made to suit the needs of each individual per se.

No doubt, we can clarify, educate but the final decision comes from the individual himself. Moreover, younger investors do have more years before reaching retirements. so risk appetite is different and acceptable ( in the case of investing in Pbank shares ).

Do not intend to flame everyone. Hope to clear some confusions.

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Mar 16 2008, 04:14 PM)
DY for PBBANK is around 7%, so it means that by investing RM10,000 you are only getting around [RM700 - 26% tax]. Is this what you mean 'enough' to survive for the whole year through? Even if you have 10 lots of it, it would only give you [RM7,000 - 26% tax]. It still wouldn't be enough for me to live through a year wink.gif
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Jordy,

1) I thought the Dividend yield is 7.5%.

2007 total Dividend is RM0.75 and assuming that you buy PBBank at RM10

2) The actual dividend yield is dependent on your buying price. I bought at RM7 so my dividend yield is more than 10%

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After seeing so much interest in public bank shares on the main thread and this thread, I decided to check out a recent analyst report. If EPS grows to 70 cents this year, at Rm10, the stock is trading at a PER of 14.3. Net profit margin is a respectable 23%. Interesting to see how much longer investors would be willing to pay to invest at such a high PER when banks around the world are trading at less. To go in now in my opinion would be a pure dividend yield play (not so attractive after deducting tax), especially if valuation drops to around PER of 12.
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QUOTE(okyjace @ Mar 18 2008, 02:11 PM)
After seeing so much interest in public bank shares on the main thread and this thread, I decided to check out a recent analyst report. If EPS grows to 70 cents this year, at Rm10, the stock is trading at a PER of 14.3. Net profit margin is a respectable 23%. Interesting to see how much longer investors would be willing to pay to invest at such a high PER when banks around the world are trading at less. To go in now in my opinion would be a pure dividend yield play (not so attractive after deducting tax), especially if valuation drops to around PER of 12.
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You have the valid point, but we never said at current level Pbbank is cheap though. It is fairly value, not cheap.

Pbbank is a conervative bank, it has not have the risk exposure like others bank (like US and international counterpart which had large exposure to derivatives product, CDO, subprime etc).

It is just better (not best, some others may be better choice) than ABC or XYZ stock (especially those 'goreng' one) in the market, if one really really want to put money into the stock market.

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but what if one day the key man of PBB (touch wood) is no longer in this world? won't it seriously affect its share price & management?
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but what if one day the key man of PBB (touch wood) is no longer in this world? won't it seriously affect its share price & management?
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This is something I personally find amusing that people are worried if Tan Sri Teh pass on, PBB will degenerate without leadership. Kind of like 'if Robert Kuok dies, will Maybulk be bankrupt?' question.

Unlike other business like construction and properties, the owner rarely has to make decisions everyday to ensure his business goes on smoothly. As a bank, standards and procedures are already decided and their business is based on these written instructions how to evaluate loans and potential customers. So in other words even if the good Tan Sri were to retire permanently, the bank business is unaffected by his absence.

Unlike business like properties and construction where management has to constantly look for business and partners and such, banks are more conservative and boring in nature. Other than the new Islamic banking products which they are trying to promote, what else can banks do? Venture into properties? I think not.

I think PBBank at the moment is not into any risky or completely different busines model other than conventional banking. So unless the Tan Sri is responsible for actually approving each housing loan and trying to personally sell you his mutual funds, his absence will not be felt in PBBank's everyday business. IMHO anyway. biggrin.gif

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Jordy,

1) I thought the Dividend yield is 7.5%. 

    2007 total Dividend is RM0.75 and assuming that you buy PBBank at RM10

2) The actual dividend yield is dependent on your buying price.  I bought at RM7 so my dividend yield is more than 10%

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Wow, PBBANK is trading at 10.60/10.70 now plus the recent 50sen dividend, almost like back to where it was previously before ex.
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Wow, PBBANK is trading at 10.60/10.70 now plus the recent 50sen dividend, almost like back to where it was previously before ex.
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PBBANK-O1 is leading, 11.00 / 11.10 biggrin.gif
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When PBBANK would give out the next dividend?



Thank You.
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When PBBANK would give out the next dividend?
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expecting in July.
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Yeah Pana, it may be another Interim Dividend of 25% coming July...happy huh...  tongue.gif
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after that, waiting for March 2009's dividend, hehe.
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yeah....am very glad to have kept it even though it dipped waaay down....

anyway, it's a good share to keep...the sea's kinda stormy...hopefully it could still keep sailing....
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even though it dip down, but it will float up eventually

yup, keep on sailing 1295 biggrin.gif
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go go go PBBank! thanks Pana for 'brainwashing' me into this! hhahahaha
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go go go PBBank! thanks Pana for 'brainwashing' me into this! hhahahaha
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Wow, big volume done at RM11.00 this morning and announcement from PBB.


1295 PBBANK PUBLIC BANK BHD
Percentage of PBB Shares Held by Foreigners as at 31 March 2008

Quarterly Announcement on Percentage of Public Bank ("PBB") Shares of RM1.00
Each Held by Foreigners as at 31 March 2008
We would announce for public information that as at 31 March 2008, 33.06% of
the issued shares of PBB were held by foreigners. The percentage is computed
based on the total number of PBB shares in issue and after excluding PBB shares
bought-back by PBB and retained as treasury shares as at 31 March 2008.

As the percentage of shareholdings of foreigners of 33.06% exceeded PBB's
maximum foreign shareholding limit of 30.00%, and pursuant to the Securities
Industry (Central Depositories)(Foreign Ownership) Regulations 1996:

1. 30.00% of the issued and paid-up share capital of PBB which were held by
foreigners would be entitled to the rights and entitlements attached to the
shares.

2. 3.06% of the issued and paid-up share capital of PBB which were held by
foreigners would be entitled to the rights and entitlements attached to the
shares except for voting rights.
You are advised to read the entire contents of the announcement or attachment.
To read the entire contents of the announcement or attachment, please access
the Bursa website at http://www.bursamalaysia.com .


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^ what does the statement mean?

would PBB buy back the overlimit?
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rclxms.gif Well done, 1295!

Monday April 14, 2008
Public Bank's Q1 net profit surges 51% to RM717m

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It is a contrast comparison between Pbbank and Maybank. As some forumers worry what if Maybank and CIMB merged, how Pbbank will survive. Take this 2 result to compare, then it already explain largest is not mean strongest (Maybank is the largest bank in Malaysia currently). It is the profitability and efficiency that's matter the most.
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It is a contrast comparison between Pbbank and Maybank. As some forumers worry what if Maybank and CIMB merged, how Pbbank will survive. Take this 2 result to compare, then it already explain largest is not mean strongest (Maybank is the largest bank in Malaysia currently). It is the profitability and efficiency that's matter the most.
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cherroy,

Actually merger is messy and disruptive to operation. So, a merger of Maybank and CIMB will give PBBank less competition for at least 1 to 2 years due to disruption to Maybank/CIMB operation.

Any suggestion as to what is a good price to accumulate PBBank?? Looks like it will take a recession to drop the price.

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cherroy,

Actually merger is messy and disruptive to operation.  So, a merger of Maybank and CIMB will give PBBank less competition for at least 1 to 2 years due to disruption to Maybank/CIMB operation.

Any suggestion as to what is a good price to accumulate PBBank??  Looks like it will take a recession to drop the price.

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Pbbank share is quite stubborn, won't go down much. With EPS around 21 cents/Q, it turns annualised of PE of 13, which is considered fair price at historical level.
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Sorry to ask
I also looking forward to join this
But have a problem about how it work and how to do
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Sorry to ask
I also looking forward to join this
But have a problem about how it work and how to do
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Huh?? From your display name, I assume you are 20 this year?
If you are still a student currently, I would suggest that you take some time to do some reading on stock market and understand it, before trading on it. Bursa Malaysia's website is a good start. It can be found at www.bursamalaysia.com.
Quite frankly if you are new to this, a forum is not a good learning ground as there are a lot of rumours and misleading informations around.
Get a learning ground which is in a neutral position smile.gif
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Apr 27 2008, 02:10 AM)
Huh?? From your display name, I assume you are 20 this year?
If you are still a student currently, I would suggest that you take some time to do some reading on stock market and understand it, before trading on it. Bursa Malaysia's website is a good start. It can be found at www.bursamalaysia.com.
Quite frankly if you are new to this, a forum is not a good learning ground as there are a lot of rumours and misleading informations around.
Get a learning ground which is in a neutral position smile.gif
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Yeap take some time to read up and understand how company play around with its financial


Added on April 29, 2008, 12:53 pmI was kind of happy when i see the share market tumble last month. Kind of cool in away.

One week before being hit by the big crash i sold off my
LPI Capital at RM 13 <------- Bought at 9.85
Bursa at RM 14.70 <-------- Bout at 9.90
BJTOTO at RM 5.10 <------- Bought at RM 4.64

I buy all share base on FA analysis taking consideration on the Cahflow as well as the dividend payout. I might go in and out of the same counter more than once in a year if valuation changes.

eg.
I bought LPI when it was RM 8.40 sold it when it wat RM 9.40. I did bought back when it wat RM9.85. I seldom sell a counter unless it is overprice at that moment. Safety margin is the most imporatnat indicator and valueing a sahre base on value is the best gauge when comes to trading. In short i buy on investor's weakness and i am good when comes to valuing the market.

In average gain from trading is 20-35% yearly.

When comes to analysis...
I did few simple comparison such as Div, ROE, ROA, Cahflow Analysis, Net Sales, Net profit

I do counter check most of it and try to imagine how to company would churn the money and understand how the flow of the money in the company. I think FA investor needs to understand the nature of the company. A FA investor must always counter check the company's Income Statement, Balance Sheet and Cash Flow Statements. Most important is the Cash Flow Statements because it tells you how the money flows.

There are tons of way how the accountant can cheat but it is harder to cheat the cash flow statement. There will be always gaps here and ther eto patch up if accountants would cheat the Cash flow statements.

Just be extremely careful on how you analyse the company.



Anyway.... i think you guys did great over PBBANK thread.


By the way...after selling the BURSA, LPI and BJTOTO
i bought the following 3 counter
-----> Genting at RM 6.40
------> Tanjong at RM 15.60

Now i am looking at DIGI, Bursa, Commerz.

Digi sounds good base on my analysis.
www.mybigcubicle.blogspot.com for the full analysis on the DIGI.






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Pbank has benefited from funds switching from Maybank .

Only the "quality" bank left in Bursa.

Surprising the PE is much higher than the rest.

I believe investors have faith, do not mind to pay a premium.

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Huh?? From your display name, I assume you are 20 this year?
If you are still a student currently, I would suggest that you take some time to do some reading on stock market and understand it, before trading on it. Bursa Malaysia's website is a good start. It can be found at www.bursamalaysia.com.
Quite frankly if you are new to this, a forum is not a good learning ground as there are a lot of rumours and misleading informations around.
Get a learning ground which is in a neutral position smile.gif
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so where can i learn bout all that, study books
this 2 days just look the board and i totally dun know how it play around rclxub.gif
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so where can i learn bout all that, study books
this 2 days just look the board and i totally dun know how it play around rclxub.gif
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Go to Investopedia and do their tutorial. It should cover most of topics you want to ask and also do the advance topics to understand how certain market instruments work in the stock market.

Go to your local library and read up on stock market related books.


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Pbank has benefited from funds switching from Maybank .

Only the "quality" bank left in Bursa.

Surprising the PE is much higher than the rest.

I believe investors have faith, do not mind to pay a premium.
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i agree with the first statement. looking forward for PBBANK to climb up to RM 11.80 (this week) laugh.gif
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i agree with the first statement. looking forward for PBBANK to climb up to RM 11.80 (this week)  laugh.gif
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Pbank is the largest by market capitalisation today.

Others still depend government assistance from time to time.

Maybank down 30sen at this moment, investors are losing confidence.

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i agree with the first statement. looking forward for PBBANK to climb up to RM 11.80 (this week)  laugh.gif
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am i having the magical power or i am too "familiar" with the price movement

PBBANK closed at 11.80 on friday, lol!

next, would be the critical part, as the price couldn't cross 11.80 way back in Feb/March 08 (dropped to RM 9.30 on 10-3-08)

i am waiting for PBBANK at RM 13.00, then RM 14.00, RM 15.00 .... RM 20.00 rclxm9.gif
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am i having the magical power or i am too "familiar" with the price movement

PBBANK closed at 11.80 on friday, lol!

next, would be the critical part, as the price couldn't cross 11.80 way back in Feb/March 08 (dropped to RM 9.30 on 10-3-08)

i am waiting for PBBANK at RM 13.00, then RM 14.00, RM 15.00 .... RM 20.00  rclxm9.gif
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doing a record.

CODE
PBBANK - 12.00
PBBANK-O1 - 12.10

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hi there.

i've been wondering...since PBB has touched rm12, would it go drop again?

or would it climb to a higher level?

would greatly appreciate inputs/opinions/feedbacks....

cheers...& hooray to PBB!!!


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none of a share would go up one liner straight, there sure will be a supporting level and resistance level in between.

looks like now PBBANK resistance level at RM12.00
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none of a share would go up one liner straight, there sure will be a supporting level and resistance level in between.

looks like now PBBANK resistance level at RM12.00
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Yeah, until a clear breakthrough of RM12 will it stay above that. Maybe the next quarterly report will push it higher.
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Public Bank shares hit record high on good figures

KUALA LUMPUR: Shares in Public Bank Bhd rose to a fresh record yesterday as investors switched from their shareholdings in Malayan Banking Bhd (Maybank).

Analysts said apart from becoming the country's largest bank in terms of market capitalisation, Public Bank's strong balance sheet, impressive capital ratios and high growth numbers were the added attractions to investors.

“Investors may (also) be looking at Public Bank for its dividend angle,'' said one analyst.

The stock closed up 20 sen at RM12.

Public Bank shares have been rising since the middle of March when it was trading at RM9.80 a share. Its uptrend coincided with the time when news of Maybank's interest in Bank Internasional Indonesia (BII) first surfaced.

Confirmation of Maybank's bid for BII towards the end of March and the group's subsequent proposal to buy a 15% stake in Pakistan's MCB Bank Ltd further soured investor appetite for the stock.

Investors were turned off by the high price for the BII bid, and to a lesser extent the purchase of MCB Bank. They also found the prospect of a lower dividend from Maybank difficult to swallow.

The confluence of disappointing news from Maybank has led to its share price sliding from a high of RM9.92 on Feb 14 to RM7.85 yesterday. However, as Maybank's share price fell, Public Bank's shares went in the opposite direction.

Analysts said that apart from Public Bank's dividend of 75 sen a share in the last financial year against 60 sen a year earlier, investors were also pleased with the group's solid fundamentals.

One analyst said Public Bank's loans growth of over 20% on an annualised basis and its strong balance sheet made it a top choice among banking stocks in the country.

“Public Bank's business in Hong Kong, China and Cambodia is growing strongly,'' said one analyst.

The rise in Public Bank's share price has put its valuations at the upper tier in terms of price to book and price to earnings but analysts feel that the growth the stock has been displaying over the years justify such valuations.

Of the 18 analysts polled by Bloomberg, none have a sell call on the stock.

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Hi Pana,

For sure 1295 make you a happy guys. What is the best price to grab some? I miss the speed boat at 9.40. *Grin*


Thank You.-
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I'm can be considered as "virgin" for stock exchange market. Just start working < 1 year and plan to invest some portion of my saving in stock rather than keep all of them in bank (saving account somemore sad.gif )

From last gathering with my friend, he recommended me pbbank is a potential stock and he claimed that the dividend could get from this stock might higher than the amount of interest i could gain from saving account.

I would like to seek opinion from you guys here, should i invest in this stock for a beginner like me? ( feel like asking this question already prove me as a beginner tongue.gif)

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Hi,
I do not want to open a new thread but since it has somethign to do with public bank, my as well asked it here.
i have a question regarding Dividend payout between Maybank and Public Bank.

I got this data online therefore I am not sure how accurate it is

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Does that mean that Maybank is giving better Dividend as compared to Public Bank? or did i miss anything

Thanks in advance
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Hi,
I do not want to open a new thread but since it has somethign to do with public bank, my as well asked it here.
i have a question regarding Dividend payout between Maybank and Public Bank.

I got this data online therefore I am not sure how accurate it is

user posted image

Does that mean that Maybank is giving better Dividend as compared to Public Bank? or did i miss anything

Thanks in advance
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The info is wrong for Public Bank. Maybank one seems correct.
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The info is wrong for Public Bank. Maybank one seems correct.
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Pbbank dividend history posted surely wrong. Only take pieces of it but not full picture.

Don't rely purely on public media to obtain those data, sometimes those data are not accurate. Even in Bloomberg, they had stated that those data published on their TV, they don't guarantee the accruracy of the data published.
You need to verify those data if those data are the key for your decision making process.

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thanks guys...will do some homework
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i update in this thread la. Bought half lot of PBBANK @ 10.80
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Can anyone explain to me why the banking stocks are getting hit so badly over the last week? Surely Bank Negara raising interest rates will make more people save / lending will be at a higher rate? more profits?
Thinking of going into commerz ... at its 52 week low.
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Can anyone explain to me why the banking stocks are getting hit so badly over the last week? Surely Bank Negara raising interest rates will make more people save / lending will be at a higher rate? more profits?
Thinking of going into commerz ... at its 52 week low.
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klmc,

NPL -> Non-performing loan aka bad loan. You SHOULD avoid all banks except PBBank. Raising BLR will force people in the marginal financial stage into deep shit.

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Wah, it drops RM0.30. Is it safe to enter?
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supporting line at 10.00 & 10.20
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PBBANK & PBBANK-O1 closed at 10.20!!!!!!

me see you at 9.80-9.90 biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jun 19 2008, 05:09 PM)
PBBANK & PBBANK-O1 closed at 10.20!!!!!!

me see you at 9.80-9.90 biggrin.gif
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Guys and gal, total newbie to stocks here. Just got interested in PBB shares thru dreamer.

My questions for all you sifus,

1) What do I need to do to buy stocks at KLSE?
2) Any charges involved?
3) 1 lot of PBB share is around RM1k+ correct?
4) Where / or with who do I open an account with?

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Guys and gal, total newbie to stocks here. Just got interested in PBB shares thru dreamer.

My questions for all you sifus,

1) What do I need to do to buy stocks at KLSE?
2) Any charges involved?
3) 1 lot of PBB share is around RM1k+ correct?
4) Where / or with who do I open an account with?

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1] You need money,CDS Account that you may open with your brokerage firm such as OSK, HLE-Broking, CIMB,PBB,Maybank respectively
2]Brokerage fees, stamp duty, and some small charges.
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4] Brokerage firm such as OSK,HLE,PBB,CIMB,etc
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1] You need money,CDS Account that you may open with your brokerage firm such as OSK, HLE-Broking, CIMB,PBB,Maybank respectively
2]Brokerage fees, stamp duty, and some small charges.
3]Yes
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Brokerage fees, stamp duty and small charges is for the opening of the CDS account? How about buying and selling of shares? Roughly how much ya?
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Brokerage fees, stamp duty and small charges is for the opening of the CDS account? How about buying and selling of shares? Roughly how much ya?
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No, those charges r 4 the transactions (buying & selling)..... meaning u need 2 pay twice 4 buying + selling........
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tumpang thread, what is CDS account? is it the same with EDS?
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QUOTE(jeff_ckf @ Jun 20 2008, 12:38 AM)
Guys and gal, total newbie to stocks here. Just got interested in PBB shares thru dreamer.

My questions for all you sifus,

1) What do I need to do to buy stocks at KLSE?
2) Any charges involved?
3) 1 lot of PBB share is around RM1k+ correct?
4) Where / or with who do I open an account with?

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tumpang thread, what is CDS account? is it the same with EDS?
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I think you can find the answers to these questions in some other threads.
There were a few of this threads already.
But to make it clearer for you, CDS is Central Depository System account, where your stocks will be kept after you have bought them.
You can open account with any stockbroker or any banks with stockbroking facilities.
The popular ones are OSK, HwangDBS and Hong Leong eBroking.
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Brokerage fees, stamp duty and small charges is for the opening of the CDS account? How about buying and selling of shares? Roughly how much ya?
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buy and sell roughly 1.XX% of your stock price (for online trading @ brokerage fee 0.42%). Depends pretty much on your sell price tho, if buy & sell price are not much different, then it's roughly 1%.
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Try to aim below RM9.50, because RM10 is still not attractive enough.
With current market situation and higher inflation coupled with the high possibility of interest rate hike, we could see PBBANK at around RM9.50 or less after Q3. Be patient my friend. There is still a long way to go smile.gif
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Try to aim below RM9.50, because RM10 is still not attractive enough.
With current market situation and higher inflation coupled with the high possibility of interest rate hike, we could see PBBANK at around RM9.50 or less after Q3. Be patient my friend. There is still a long way to go smile.gif
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noted your words.

i wish to accumulate more, more and more.
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noted your words.

i wish to accumulate more, more and more.
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pana,
probably can sell half your holding and buy back later stage at a cheaper price to gain the diff.
just a suggestion, act at your own risk. tongue.gif
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pana,
probably can sell half your holding and buy back later stage at a cheaper price to gain the diff.
just a suggestion, act at your own risk.  tongue.gif
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She wish to accumulate more, and not less wink.gif
Selling and buying back WILL work, but what's the point of cutting that loss if she has a long term view?
She could just easily average down her cost on PBBANK and aim for long term smile.gif
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just bought some @ 10.00 today.... lol....
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She wish to accumulate more, and not less wink.gif
Selling and buying back WILL work, but what's the point of cutting that loss if she has a long term view?
She could just easily average down her cost on PBBANK and aim for long term smile.gif
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I will not term this as cutting loss, this is just a stretegy adopted by following the market condition.
Yes, one can go for longterm by averaging downward. One could also opt to buy stages irrespective up or down.
There are many methods ppl use. If one feel his method the best by all mean.
Loaded with cash may adopt by averaging down, cash tight fellow may opt for diff style.
That is human nature, no human are same when come to thinking.
I will not say averaging down is wrong, its just a preference of individual and experience of oneself.

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Currently put an eye on PBB and IOI only. PBB will be my first choice as i wish to keep it thru. Juz wish to gain dividend. Still looking for an entry.


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Something cooking with PBB. Insider news telling the last quarter results going to show very high profit smile.gif

Expect the price to shoot up to 11.50 this coming week. Already last Friday price went up 40 sen. Those holding now can sell on strength and buy on dips
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I'm chartist, only know about this. Wish to learn more about fundamental over here.

Currently put an eye on PBB and IOI only. PBB will be my first choice as i wish to keep it thru. Juz wish to gain dividend. Still looking for an entry.
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If you wish to be a fundamentalist, do not get a counter JUST to gain dividend.
That is not a fundamentalist, but rather a conservative saver wink.gif
Wish to tell you that fundamentalists look to grow their value over time, not depending their views solely on dividend.

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Something cooking with PBB. Insider news telling the last quarter results going to show very high profit smile.gif

Expect the price to shoot up to 11.50 this coming week. Already last Friday price went up 40 sen. Those holding now can sell on strength and buy on dips
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You are actually contradicting yourself. So you are saying that PBBANK will dip further next week, but still so bullish that the price will go skyhigh to reach RM11.50 in a week??
At current price of RM10.50 and IF PBBANK is going to dip further, we are expecting a stable price of RM10.20-RM10.30 on Monday. To reach RM11.50 in 4 days means a CONSTANT increase of RM0.30-RM0.35 a day.
Everybody has already expected that PB's results will reach another new high, that was why you see the price inceased so high on Friday. It WAS anticipated in the price, so how much more you think the price will rise when the result comes out? wink.gif
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PBB will announce a hefty profit since it's currently the leading bank in malaysia. Not only that, it's unit trust subsidiary is performing quite well compare to others.

At 10.00, PBB might be a bargain in the short run.
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According to my internal sauce, there'll be around 15-20% rise in net profit. wink.gif
So i upgrade PBBANK to SAPU laugh.gif
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According to my internal sauce, there'll be around 15-20% rise in net profit.  wink.gif
So i upgrade PBBANK to SAPU  laugh.gif
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Has the news been anticipated in its price? Mostly we would have expected that from its track record, so I don't think it would jump a lot.
At most, we might see a jump of only between RM0.30-RM0.40, no more than that in my opinion. Unless it declares a higher than expected final dividend, that is the only potential jump smile.gif
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jul 16 2008, 12:41 PM)
Has the news been anticipated in its price? Mostly we would have expected that from its track record, so I don't think it would jump a lot.
At most, we might see a jump of only between RM0.30-RM0.40, no more than that in my opinion. Unless it declares a higher than expected final dividend, that is the only potential jump smile.gif
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I m more optimistic....target price revised to 11.50 laugh.gif
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I m more optimistic....target price revised to 11.50  laugh.gif
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Really or not? tongue.gif
Can't go that high la, unless interest rate is terbalik. Hehe.
We are still waiting for interest rate to increase, people also scared to go in PBBANK now.
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Really or not? tongue.gif
Can't go that high la, unless interest rate is terbalik. Hehe.
We are still waiting for interest rate to increase, people also scared to go in PBBANK now.
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Rate hike will benefit PBBANK and other banks (short term) wink.gif

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Rate hike will benefit PBBANK and other banks (short term)  wink.gif
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Hmm, how can rate hike benefit the banks in this sense as we would see slower loan growth? hmm.gif
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That is true, higher rate will cause slower loan growth, that in turn will cause economic slow down. Just think back in year 1997/1998 similar thing happen where the BLR was in > 12%, i paid 14% for my loan till bank raise my repayment to cover shortfall. At that time FD rate was at 10%, just imagine that.....not a good news though if BNM raise rate....time to think of bond fund.
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jul 16 2008, 12:41 PM)
Has the news been anticipated in its price? Mostly we would have expected that from its track record, so I don't think it would jump a lot.
At most, we might see a jump of only between RM0.30-RM0.40, no more than that in my opinion. Unless it declares a higher than expected final dividend, that is the only potential jump smile.gif
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Market already anticipated a relative good result. Yup, I had the same opinion, even with a good result, mostly will up roughly like that unless got extra special dividend.

Current market facing is the future prospect of the financial stocks. With potential high interest rate in the future, slow growth ahead, and profit margin being squeezed, financial stocks might be vulnerable to higher NPL ahead.
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Market already anticipated a relative good result. Yup, I had the same opinion, even with a good result, mostly will up roughly like that unless got extra special dividend.

Current market facing is the future prospect of the financial stocks. With potential high interest rate in the future, slow growth ahead, and profit margin being squeezed, financial stocks might be vulnerable to higher NPL ahead.
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True. At the closing price of RM10.20, it is not going anywhere far. you could buy though, if you don't mind paying RM170 in brokerage and earning an extra RM120-RM220 smile.gif That is a very short term earnings, but beware as not to fall into the trap. Hehe.
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That is true, higher rate will cause slower loan growth, that in turn will cause economic slow down. Just think back in year 1997/1998 similar thing happen where the BLR was in > 12%, i paid 14% for my loan till bank raise my repayment to cover shortfall. At that time FD rate was at 10%, just imagine that.....not a good news though if BNM raise rate....time to think of bond fund.
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If ever the FD rate reaches 10% again, I'll just dump in my cash pile there and set a contract for 5 years. Haha.
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If ever the FD rate reaches 10% again, I'll just dump in my cash pile there and set a contract for 5 years. Haha.
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If FD rate is 10%, surely everyone will dump share and flock to FD. That's why KLCI dropped to 300 points because of FD rate of 12%, there is no reason to hold on stocks back to 1997 crisis.

Interest rate always plays a key part why a stock stay at certain level. If FD rate is 10%, a stock with PE of 10x will be seen expensive. While if FD rate is 1%, then a PE of 20x will be seen as cheap. It is always a return reward ratio game in investment world. That's why you see Japanese stocks are having quite high PER (25-30x and above) across the board because of relative low interest rate or should say none at all.
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Yup, that is if the interest rate reach near 10%. But for now its still far away from that at 6.75%. Ever a rate hike, it won't exceed 7.5%
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Yup, that is if the interest rate reach near 10%.  But for now its still far away from that at 6.75%.  Ever a rate hike, it won't exceed 7.5%
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Huh? Our rate is 3.5%, how come you're saying it's 6.75%? wink.gif
We could be only seeing a maximum of 50 basis points to 4% if ever there's a hike, so no worries.
It would affect market a little, and that should be an entry point. No big deal smile.gif
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Huh? Our rate is 3.5%, how come you're saying it's 6.75%? wink.gif
We could be only seeing a maximum of 50 basis points to 4% if ever there's a hike, so no worries.
It would affect market a little, and that should be an entry point. No big deal smile.gif
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1295 PBBANK PUBLIC BANK BHD
Interim Dividend 30%

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Interim dividend of 30% less 26% income tax


Entitlement Type: Interim Dividend
Entitlement Date and Time: 05/08/2008 05:00 PM
Year Ending/Period Ending/Ended Date: 31/12/2008
EX Date: 01/08/2008
To SCANS Date:
Payment Date: 13/08/2008
Interest Payment Period:
Rights Issue Price: 0.000
Trading of Rights Start On:
Trading of Rights End On:
Stock Par Value: 1.00


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QUOTE(smartly @ Jul 17 2008, 05:19 PM)
1295    PBBANK    PUBLIC BANK BHD 
Interim Dividend 30% 

Entitlement Details:
Interim dividend of 30% less 26% income tax


Entitlement Type: Interim Dividend
Entitlement Date and Time: 05/08/2008  05:00 PM
Year Ending/Period Ending/Ended Date: 31/12/2008
EX Date: 01/08/2008
To SCANS Date: 
Payment Date: 13/08/2008
Interest Payment Period: 
Rights Issue Price: 0.000
Trading of Rights Start On: 
Trading of Rights End On: 
Stock Par Value: 1.00
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wow... where did ya get it? so the dividend is 26% after tax?
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wow... where did ya get it? so the dividend is 26% after tax?
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i think is 30% of the par value 1.00. that is 0.30 minus 26% tax, that is 0.22. Thus if got 1,000 unit (big lot), u get RM220. tongue.gif Kanasai, profit below my estimate of 15-20%. Only 13.2%. Downgrade to hold. sweat.gif

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Public Bank Q2 net profit up 13.2% to RM593.5m

KUALA LUMPUR: Public Bank Bhd posted net profit of RM593.53mil for the second quarter ended June 30 this year, up 13.2% from a year ago.

Its revenue rose 3.78% to RM2.51bil from RM2.43bil while earnings per share was 17.69 sen, an increase from 15.62 sen. Its chairman Tan Sri Teh Hong Piow said in view of the sustained strong performance of the group, the board of directors had declared an interim gross dividend of 30%, which would result in a payout totalling RM745mil. The dividend would be paid on Aug 13.

“Pre-tax profit improved by 25% to RM1.76bil despite an increase of RM48mil in general allowance made due to the higher loan growth in the current period,†said

For the first half, net profit was RM1.31bil compared with RM1bil while revenue rose to RM5.15bil from RM4.57bil.

Teh said the record profit performance in the first half was contributed by strong growth in net interest and financing income and other operating income, partially offset by an increase in operating expenses and higher loan loss allowances due to higher business volumes.

He added the increase in loan loss allowances during the first half was mainly due to higher general allowance which increased by RM48mil arising from stronger loan growth as well as additional specific allowance made for old non-performing loan accounts secured by properties which are more than seven years in arrears.

He added these accounts were fully provided for with no value assigned to the collateral.

URL: http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...13&sec=business
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QUOTE(Singh_Kalan @ Jul 17 2008, 06:27 PM)
i think is 30% of the par value 1.00. that is 0.30 minus 26% tax, that is 0.22.  Thus if got 1,000 unit (big lot), u get RM220.  tongue.gif Kanasai, profit below my estimate of 15-20%. Only 13.2%.  Downgrade to hold.  sweat.gif
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Huh? Looks like you are unsatisfied with PB's growth rate? Hehe.
For me, that amount is good enough. If PB can continue growing at that rate, it would be enormous in 10-20 years time.


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1295    PBBANK    PUBLIC BANK BHD 
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Entitlement Details:
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Entitlement Type: Interim Dividend
Entitlement Date and Time: 05/08/2008  05:00 PM
Year Ending/Period Ending/Ended Date: 31/12/2008
EX Date: 01/08/2008
To SCANS Date: 
Payment Date: 13/08/2008
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Rights Issue Price: 0.000
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Stock Par Value: 1.00
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So, I see that the interim dividend has increased by 5 sen. Bravo! smile.gif
In that case, if the final dividend + special dividend is still 50 sen, then the total for the year would be 80 sen.
At the closing price of RM10.30, that's a yield of 7.8%. Not too bad smile.gif

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What I see is an ok result but revenue is a bit lightweight which might be a concern, although not big deal.

My opinion only.

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jul 17 2008, 09:40 PM)
Huh? Looks like you are unsatisfied with PB's growth rate? Hehe.
For me, that amount is good enough. If PB can continue growing at that rate, it would be enormous in 10-20 years time.


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So, I see that the interim dividend has increased by 5 sen. Bravo! smile.gif
In that case, if the final dividend + special dividend is still 50 sen, then the total for the year would be 80 sen.
At the closing price of RM10.30, that's a yield of 7.8%. Not too bad smile.gif
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Jordy,

Your yield is based on your purchase price. I bought at less than RM7.00. So, my yield is GREATER than 10%.

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Jordy,

Your yield is based on your purchase price.  I bought at less than RM7.00.  So, my yield is GREATER than 10%.

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I am assuming IF someone had bought at that price. Of course, the lower your price, the higher your yield.
I am still looking for a price of below RM9 currently smile.gif
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PBB...one of my target oso
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PBBANK half year net profit UP 31%
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Huh?! Where you get that 31% figure? Or do you mean 13%? tongue.gif
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Petronas Dagangan is paying even more dividend, 33sen less tax at 25%, ex-date on 1st of August.
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Petronas Dagangan is paying even more dividend, 33sen less tax at 25%, ex-date on 1st of August.
http://announcements.bursamalaysia.com/EDM...7F?OpenDocument
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PBBANK half year net profit UP 31%
Distributing 30 sens dividend biggrin.gif
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Sorry, i didn't mean to post something off-topic but I was just replying your statement because the 30sen font you were using is so big! tongue.gif
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lol i was expecting a 20 to 25 sens interim (based on previous years dividend history), now they announced 30 sens laugh.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jul 18 2008, 03:03 PM)
lol i was expecting a 20 to 25 sens interim (based on previous years dividend history), now they announced 30 sens laugh.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jul 18 2008, 01:47 PM)
nope Jordy, it is 31% smile.gif

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Oh, I was confused as there were posts of 13% increase before you.
I read back, and I realised the 13% was only for 2Q, and the 31% was for 1H tongue.gif
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Oh, I was confused as there were posts of 13% increase before you.
I read back, and I realised the 13% was only for 2Q, and the 31% was for 1H tongue.gif
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hello, fellas!!!
as we know, PBBANK is going 2 give out dividend soon & the ex-date is on 1st Aug 08 rite?
Let's say i have a buying order "matched" on 31st July 08 but i have not pay the transaction amount yet 2 my broker as it can be done in between T+3 days....
so in this case, will i be entitled 2 the dividend?
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hello, fellas!!!
as we know, PBBANK is going 2 give out dividend soon & the ex-date is on 1st Aug 08 rite?
Let's say i have a buying order "matched" on 31st July 08 but i have not pay the transaction amount yet 2 my broker as it can be done in between T+3 days....
so in this case, will i be entitled 2 the dividend?
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Star article yesterday said analysts expecting SEA banks (including the biggest ones in singapore) to face weakening growth end of yr & turn sharply lower nxt yr.

Should this affect my interest in pbb ?
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Star article yesterday said analysts expecting SEA banks (including the biggest ones in singapore) to face weakening growth end of yr & turn sharply lower nxt yr.

Should this affect my interest in pbb ?
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dripinrain,

Let's assume that PBBank has NO GROWTH, so what?? You buy at RM10. You collect RM0.80 every year. You get 8% return every year. Is that so bad?? It is double the 3.7% that you get from FD.

So, what if PBBank drop to RM5?? You still collect RM0.80 every year. In fact, you should buy more because now the yield is 16%. And, we are still talking about NO GROWTH. Any growth is gravy on top of that.

You make money when you buy.

For GOOD dividend paying stock, you do not need to sell in order to make money. In fact, in most cases, you do not even check the stock price for a few years except perhaps to buy more.

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jul 30 2008, 10:35 AM)
dripinrain,

Let's assume that PBBank has NO GROWTH, so what??  You buy at RM10.  You collect RM0.80 every year.  You get 8% return every year.  Is that so bad?? It is double the 3.7% that you get from FD.

So, what if PBBank drop to RM5?? You still collect RM0.80 every year.  In fact, you should buy more because now the yield is 16%.  And, we are still talking about NO GROWTH.  Any growth is gravy on top of that.

You make money when you buy.

For GOOD dividend paying stock, you do not need to sell in order to make money.  In fact, in most cases, you do not even check the stock price for a few years except perhaps to buy more.

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If PBBANK really drop to RM5, then there must be something wrong di and the dividend won't be at 0.80 anymore. Just look at Maybank, after they bought in a few banks, investor start throwing the share as they don't think can receive the same high dividend as previously.
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QUOTE(Singh_Kalan @ Jul 30 2008, 10:41 AM)
If PBBANK really drop to RM5, then there must be something wrong di and the dividend won't be at 0.80 anymore.  Just look at Maybank, after they bought in a few banks, investor start throwing the share as they don't think can receive the same high dividend as previously.
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Singh_Kalan,

Who say so?? If that is TRUE, why PBBank was at RM0.80 at 1997?? There are GUILTY by association. Sometimes, all BANKS are hit regardless how good they are. Look at what is happening now in USA.

Either a bank is well managed or not. IMHO, I do not consider Maybank as a well managed bank.

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jul 30 2008, 10:54 AM)
Singh_Kalan,

Who say so?? If that is TRUE, why PBBank was at RM0.80 at 1997??  There are GUILTY by association.  Sometimes, all BANKS are hit regardless how good they are.  Look at what is happening now in USA.

Either a bank is well managed or not.  IMHO, I do not consider Maybank as a well managed bank.

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then may i know how much dividend they gave on that year?? Don't tell me its 0.80, if its true then its a 100% dividend payout di. shocking.gif

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then may i know how much dividend they give on that year??
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I do not know. Perhaps someone else can help you. By the way, at 97, I bought Maybank and UEM before the crash. I learned my lessons.

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Singh_Kalan,

I do not know.  Perhaps someone else can help you.  By the way, at 97, I bought Maybank and UEM before the crash.  I learned my lessons.

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i believe on that year the dividend payout may only be 5-15% of 0.80, any figure higher than that the stock price would be adjusted higher. The stock price of dividend stock depends pretty much on the dividend payout. If expected payout is below expectation, the share price will drop. wink.gif
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QUOTE(Singh_Kalan @ Jul 30 2008, 10:41 AM)
If PBBANK really drop to RM5, then there must be something wrong di and the dividend won't be at 0.80 anymore.  Just look at Maybank, after they bought in a few banks, investor start throwing the share as they don't think can receive the same high dividend as previously.
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QUOTE(Singh_Kalan @ Jul 30 2008, 11:46 AM)
i believe on that year the dividend payout may only be 5-15% of 0.80, any figure higher than that the stock price would be adjusted higher.  The stock price of dividend stock depends pretty much on the dividend payout.  If expected payout is below expectation, the share price will drop.  wink.gif
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Back in 1997, PBBANK's dividend was 4.3 sen, that was still a 5.3% DY.
You cannot compare the dividend back then with now, because their EPS in 1997 was only 13.9 sen. Now, their EPS is 60-70 sen.
If we talk about PBBANK dropping to RM5 now, it would still not affect their business isn't it? So the dividend would still be the same.
UNLESS, PBBANK decided to lower their dividend payout, THEN we will see its price being punished.
Your first statement was too vague, as there might be other factors that would cause PBBANK's price to plunge to RM5 (not just something wrong with their fundamentals). Like what dreamer said, if ONE bank suddenly losses a lot, then people would start to panic and sell ALL other banks.
Does this mean PBBANK would make a loss as well? So it would be like US now.

As a conclusion, share price alone would not affect the dividend paid, but the dividend paid will affect the share price.
Movements in share price does not affect the company's fundamentals and business, but the fundamentals will affect the share price.

Just sharing my thought to "rephrase" your statements smile.gif I rest my case now. Woohoo!
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Actually back old day, (10+ years), Pbbank stock is not as good as now, it somehow a quite stagnant stock with a steady dividend yield. Nothing to shout about. The share price generally going nowhere most of the time, even at the high of 1993 super bull run, its stocks was around 3.xx only (before stock merged and bonus issues), something like every year gave 8% (Par value of Rm0.50) dividend. While TNB was near to Rm20, Telekom also 15.xx while UEM was 20! Proton 1x.xx.

This stock starting to shine when they are giving generous year in year out, after banks have abundant of cash which they find not much way to loan out or expansion locally. By then the stocks starting to creep up higher and higher.
Also, one of the reason why it performs so good this recent years is because BNM let the interest spread widen (BLR-FD interest, the basic of banks making money), which let the banks earn more and more to recoup their capital and profit since 1998 crisis. When 90's the spread was not as much as currently.
Also banks nowadays being allowed by BNM to impose a lot of non-interest income on customers, like charges on ATM cards, penalty charges, UT trust commission etc, which push up the banks profit even higher. Don't look down those small small money, it easily makes a banks earn hundreds of million without much risk.

Good and consistently payout based on improvement in real earning is the basic and solid support for any stock price. So in order for Pbbank to drop back to Rm5, 2 scenario I can think of :

1. Company profit goes down aka EPS, which make the company unable to have generous dividend again.

2. FD interest rate go up to 8%, which 8% yield of Pbbank is not attractive anymore.

Just my 2 cents.

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jul 30 2008, 12:10 PM)
As a conclusion, share price alone would not affect the dividend paid, but the dividend paid will affect the share price.
Movements in share price does not affect the company's fundamentals and business, but the fundamentals will affect the share price.

Just sharing my thought to "rephrase" your statements smile.gif I rest my case now. Woohoo!
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I m not saying share price affect the dividend payout. Actually its the other way round. Just that when the price drop drastically, there must be some concern / uncertainty. This uncertainty may be as a result of an expected lower profitability and thus lower dividend. tongue.gif Remember...share price is a reflection of future value... not current value

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QUOTE(Singh_Kalan @ Jul 30 2008, 05:24 PM)
I m not saying share price affect the dividend payout.  Actually its the other way round.  Just that when the price drop drastically, there must be some concern / uncertainty. This uncertainty may be as a result of an expected lower profitability and thus lower dividend.  tongue.gif Remember...share price is a reflection of future value... not current value
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I agree with that statement 100%. Now your phrase sounds better tongue.gif
So, that is IF the fundamentals are changing, then no doubt you'll see a revision of the dividend and price downwards.
But even in US right now, I believe innocent banks which are still reporting profits were also beaten down.
So, in a basket of apples, there are always bad apples and good apples smile.gif
Unless of course, we see a reccession/depression, then that would affect the whole market.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 30 2008, 01:25 PM)
Actually back old day, (10+ years), Pbbank stock is not as good as now, it somehow a quite stagnant stock with a steady dividend yield. Nothing to shout about. The share price generally going nowhere most of the time, even at the high of 1993 super bull run, its stocks was around 3.xx only (before stock merged and bonus issues), something like every year gave 8% (Par value of Rm0.50) dividend. While TNB was near to Rm20, Telekom also 15.xx while UEM was 20! Proton 1x.xx.

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So currently do you see any potential bank to be like public bank?? laugh.gif
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So currently do you see any potential bank to be like public bank??  laugh.gif
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Actually there are not many choice that we can have after the big merger, I mean local bank.

If really want to have financial stocks, some overseas hardly beaten financial stocks might be a better choice than locally. Just my opinion though.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 30 2008, 09:33 PM)
Actually there are not many choice that we can have after the big merger, I mean local bank.

If really want to have financial stocks, some overseas hardly beaten financial stocks might be a better choice than locally. Just my opinion though.
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cherroy,

<<If really want to have financial stocks, some overseas hardly beaten financial stocks might be a better choice than locally. Just my opinion though.>>

The problem is in oversea, they are either

A) Not protected aka too much competition = low profit

B) Even more political loans.

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so, to all the PBBANK fan boys...... had anyone taken their action??? tongue.gif
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so, to all the PBBANK fan boys...... had anyone taken their action??? tongue.gif
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The price is still not attractive, why the rush? smile.gif
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The price is still not attractive, why the rush? smile.gif
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the slump of these 2 days r cause by the Plantation counters only...... When will we see all red again? tongue.gif
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Wat do u guys think about this?  hmm.gif
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exia5733,

I bought PBBank at RM7 about 3 years ago. Now, I probably collect RM0.80 dividend this year. That gives me dividend yield of more than 10%. And, if the earning do not grow, I still collect dividend of 10% based on my purchased price.

So, I hope for this kind of short term thinking. Then, PBBank stock price can drop and I can buy more.

This research is ONLY relevant if you want to trade on PBBank which I don't. I hope more people read this kind of report and push the stock price down.

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My opinion,
In the article, the use of comparison between CIMB and PBBank is a weak point instead a strong point to claim Pbbank is expensive, although I personally also rate Pbbank not cheap at current level, but if share price of CIMB is having the same PER or P/BV with Pbbank, then who is going to buy CIMB or Maybank etc?
In term of NPL ratio, Pbbank excel over CIMB and the rest of banking in Malaysia, in term of management, Pbbank excel over all local bank, best example would be go through 1997 crisis without any aid and losses incurred, in term of dividend, still Pbbank on top over them.

So Pbbank is trading at much more premium over CIMB, Maybank and other local banking stocks has its own reason. Not to mention, others are highly political link and GLCs related issue.

PS: I don't say current price is cheap, nor recommend it is a good stock to buy at current situation. Just stated out the reason of premium price that investors in the market willing to pay.
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That's quite a weak report in my opinion. The analyst is rating PBB based on the price which is higher than another banks price without actually dwelling on why the price is high in the first place.


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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 6 2008, 10:20 PM)
My opinion,
In the article, the use of comparison between CIMB and PBBank is a weak point instead a strong point to claim Pbbank is expensive, although I personally also rate Pbbank not cheap at current level, but if share price of CIMB is having the same PER or P/BV with Pbbank, then who is going to buy CIMB or Maybank etc?
In term of NPL ratio, Pbbank excel over CIMB and the rest of banking in Malaysia, in term of management, Pbbank excel over all local bank, best example would be go through 1997 crisis without any aid and losses incurred, in term of dividend, still Pbbank on top over them.

So Pbbank is trading at much more premium over CIMB, Maybank and other local banking stocks has its own reason. Not to mention, others are highly political link and GLCs related issue.

PS: I don't say current price is cheap, nor recommend it is a good stock to buy at current situation. Just stated out the reason of premium price that investors in the market willing to pay.
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One more thing is if najib cannot be the prime minister, you can see cimb price drop like hell. My personal view
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One more thing is if najib cannot be the prime minister, you can see cimb price drop like hell. My personal view
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Hmmm it might drop a bit but won't drop like Equine or Scomi. Because CIMB price is more based on on fundamental fact rather than being goreng to that level of price because of it being politically linked. But come to think of it, in Malaysia anything can happen haha . rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Aug 7 2008, 11:59 AM)
Hmmm it might drop a bit but won't drop like Equine or Scomi. Because CIMB price is more based on on fundamental fact rather than being goreng to that level of price because of it being politically linked. But come to think of it, in Malaysia anything can happen haha .  rclxms.gif
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For sure it will not be like equine or scomi as the fundamental is still there. But i think it may loose some of its business. One example is government cheque (maybe will use back to maybank).
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For sure it will not be like equine or scomi as the fundamental is still there. But i think it may loose some of its business. One example is government cheque (maybe will use back to maybank).
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darkknight81,

What is the NPL for CIMB?? If it is HIGH, the fundamental for this bank is bad.

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darkknight81,

What is the NPL for CIMB??  If it is HIGH, the fundamental for this bank is bad.

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Besides of NPL issue, the more concern is, it might be more political linked than Maybank. Especially nowadays with lot of uncertainty in political front. My opinion only.
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Hey, will its price ever drop ?

Damn stable this pbb stil $10.


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that's why, choosing on good fundamental stock is important.

it is worth waiting.

ohyah, i just gotten my dividend from PBBANK. i am going to buy more biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Aug 16 2008, 09:42 PM)
that's why, choosing on good fundamental stock is important.

it is worth waiting.

ohyah, i just gotten my dividend from PBBANK. i am going to buy more biggrin.gif
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me too.... but i only got a few cause i didnt buy a lot that time.... wanted to buy more but the price didnt drop sad.gif
u must be owning a lot of PBBANK share huh? brows.gif
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nope. i also start from small, slowly accumulate.
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PB Bank drop below to RM10
how u all thinks for it ?
Is this best time to join it ?
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PB Bank drop below to RM10
how u all thinks for it ?
Is this best time to join it ?
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Well, a Credit Suisse analyst report release two weeks ago did suggest a target price of around 10 citing several reasons to be cautious. With highest foreign ownership and comparatively low trading volume, the report highlights a risk that a small sell off would have a big impact on price. This stock is still expensive IMHO when compared to its peers, so its good management has already been priced in. Maybe check with your friends working at banks, how is retail banking going?

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This stock so stable, and expensive. What does it take to make it go below $8?
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This stock so stable, and expensive. What does it take to make it go below $8?
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below 8 ?? shocking.gif i'd no idea what KLCI gonna be by that time sweat.gif
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below 8 ?? shocking.gif  i'd no idea what KLCI gonna be by that time  sweat.gif
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Unless the NPL really increased tremendously for public bank which i think is impossible as Public bank credit control is tight. They sure don want to follow lehmans track....Current NPL stay at 2.3 % only for public bank.

Lowering down in interest rate which is not possible at the moment....
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Pbbank will drop in below condition

1. Dividend become lesser with profit shrink (as you need profit to pay consistent dividend), so high dvidend alone is not enough, you need profit to support it.

2. Economy run into recession resulted no loan growth and NPL become higher. Pbbank has the best NPL ratio among the banks locally, but even with tight lending practice, NPL ratio will move according to the economy condition, no one will spare from it if economy is in recession, just degree more and less.

In current bear market, dividend yield is the ultimate support for any stocks.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 17 2008, 06:54 PM)
Pbbank will drop in below condition

1. Dividend become lesser with profit shrink (as you need profit to pay consistent dividend), so high dvidend alone is not enough, you need profit to support it.

2. Economy run into recession resulted no loan growth and NPL become higher. Pbbank has the best NPL ratio among the banks locally, but even with tight lending practice, NPL ratio will move according to the economy condition, no one will spare from it if economy is in recession, just degree more and less.

In current bear market, dividend yield is the ultimate support for any stocks.
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Ya . Public certainly will drop but i think will not reached until Rm 8.00 unless the NPL rate really increase tremendously...DIVIDEDN stock will less affected by current situation. Growth stock will be affected the most due to slowing down. Thats y i think famous growth stock like IOI Genting, resorts, still got way to go down ... Whereas for dividend stock still can keep..
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Sep 17 2008, 06:45 PM)
Ya . Public certainly will drop but i think will not reached until Rm 8.00 unless the NPL rate really increase tremendously...DIVIDEDN stock will less affected by current situation. Growth stock will be affected the most due to slowing down. Thats y i think famous growth stock like IOI Genting, resorts, still got way to go down ... Whereas for dividend stock still can keep..
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I hope by the time KLCI reaches 800pts, PBB will be less than RM8.
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Sep 18 2008, 01:51 PM)
I hope by the time KLCI reaches 800pts, PBB will be less than RM8.
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Don think too simple k... The price of PBB is not base the KLSE index... It is base on the whole company profile which means how is the profit for the whole company. At current situation, only stock which is overvalued will plummeted the most...

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so does tobacco stock JTINTER

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The said stocks still solid although most of the price of the stocks today plunged. I think the stocks will only undermine when KLCI falls till severe. hmm.gif
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I am monitoring this counter too biggrin.gif
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I checked the thestar.com.my>Bursa Malaysia > Finance and found 2 counters related to PBB. They are:
PBBANK
PBBANKO1

Now when I look at the Financial Statements in the Annual Report, there are 2 columns. One is for "Group" and the other is for "Bank". Which set of financial numbers should I look at?

Is the PBBANK = Bank while the PBBANKO1 = Group?

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Sep 21 2008, 10:33 AM)
I checked the thestar.com.my>Bursa Malaysia > Finance and found 2 counters related to PBB. They are:
PBBANK
PBBANKO1

Now when I look at the Financial Statements in the Annual Report, there are 2 columns. One is for "Group" and the other is for "Bank". Which set of financial numbers should I look at?

Is the PBBANK = Bank while the PBBANKO1 = Group?
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PBBANK is local while PBBANKO1 is foreign, not much difference though because both also same entity.
Group means the holdings company while Company means the particular company you looking at.
It is common for annual reports to segregate the earnings report for Group and Company.
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PBBANK is local while PBBANKO1 is foreign, not much difference though because both also same entity.
Group means the holdings company while Company means the particular company you looking at.
It is common for annual reports to segregate the earnings report for Group and Company.
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Ya, but do I use the Bank EPS or the Group EPS to calculate PE ratio for PBBank?

Also, I couldn't find a 5 year forecast Income Statement, Balance Sheet and Cash Flows. Is this not required by the regulators?

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dowjone plunged 777 point almost 7% on 29/9/08, public bank only drop to rm9.6 for a second, as i check on my screen, seemed this stock is tough to get to it fair value rm 8....


Added on October 2, 2008, 11:10 pmin next one hour it not only above it average price 9.85-9.90 yet it touch it support at rm10 again

so is fundamental not working here.

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QUOTE(normanTE @ Oct 3 2008, 12:08 AM)
dowjone plunged 777 point almost 7% on 29/9/08,  public bank only drop to rm9.6 for a second, as i check on my screen, seemed this stock is tough to get to it fair value rm 8....


Added on October 2, 2008, 11:10 pmin next one hour it not only above it average price 9.85-9.90 yet it touch it support at rm10 again

so is fundamental not working here.
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You haven do any fundamental analysis how can you derive that fundamental not working for this counter?

You got to see how is the impact of US current crisis going to affect public bank earnings?

By looking at US stock plunged does not give you any idea at all... But i can say the impact is there but is a shockwave effect
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QUOTE(normanTE @ Oct 2 2008, 11:08 PM)
dowjone plunged 777 point almost 7% on 29/9/08,  public bank only drop to rm9.6 for a second, as i check on my screen, seemed this stock is tough to get to it fair value rm 8....


Added on October 2, 2008, 11:10 pmin next one hour it not only above it average price 9.85-9.90 yet it touch it support at rm10 again

so is fundamental not working here.
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I have a feeling PBB is buying back their own shares, hence that's why the share price falls and goes back up again.
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I have a feeling PBB is buying back their own shares, hence that's why the share price falls and goes back up again.
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Brother,

Don forget most of public mutual top 5 investments are public bank..Sure they use public mutual (investor money) to support their share...
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after holding on to PBB01 for the past 4 to 5 years, i finally sold it afew days back...*regret for not selling earlier*

it's was a very tough decision to do so, but the way i see it, there's just much uncertainty going on around internally and externally, I finally had cold feet and am taking a breather frm the market....

I bid fellow PBB holders good luck and have fun.... biggrin.gif tongue.gif

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after holding on to PBB01 for the past 4 to 5 years, i finally sold it afew days back...*regret for not selling earlier*

it's was a very tough decision to do so, but the way i see it, there's just much uncertainty going on around internally and externally, I finally had cold feet and am taking a breather frm the market....

I bid fellow PBB holders good luck and have fun.... biggrin.gif  tongue.gif

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awww. cuious to know, what is your cost price?
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around rm6...if i remember correctly....or was it rm5 something??? doh.gif hmm.gif

it was around there la...but it so long ago...can't remember... biggrin.gif and the interest all those while...i didn't even get a sen....i mean got la...but when the cheque came, my wife straight bank into my daughter's account for education....

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ahh you mean dividends yah.

lol assuming PBB gives about $700 dividend annually, i guess your daughter's education fund should have accumulated about $3,500 by now tongue.gif

never mind la, you take the big cake, take back your cost plus whatever the amount that has been appreciated biggrin.gif
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hehehe...yeah...reckon my contributions would have gotten more mileage...

i'll still be on the lookout on this counter, that's for sure....*with arnold's immitated voice* i'll be back.... laugh.gif laugh.gif

just wondering how it'll do, in a coupla months.

noticed that the're quite a large amount of movements in the volume....but dunno if it's selling or buying.

can anyone let me know?
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hehehe...yeah...reckon my contributions would have gotten more mileage...

i'll still be on the lookout on this counter, that's for sure....*with arnold's immitated voice* i'll be back.... laugh.gif  laugh.gif

just wondering how it'll do, in a coupla months.

noticed that the're quite a large amount of movements in the volume....but dunno if it's selling or buying.

can anyone let me know?
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Go to Invest Asia Online, and register yourself. Its free. Then you can check Malaysia markets, and there is a function to see 'Time & Sales'. This will show you the time of transaction, type of transaction and also the amount of the transaction.

Very useful to monitor how big the sell is or the buy is. It can also be used to check at what time the big sale/purchases are done.

Can be used for Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam stocks. I only use for Malaysia though.

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hey there...thanks. already registered and checked. nice.

only thing is it's kinda packed with too much info.... sweat.gif
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hey there...thanks. already registered and checked. nice.

only thing is it's kinda packed with too much info.... sweat.gif
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9.15 ...seems that foreign fund managers are letting go this bluechip..looks like they have no choice, but to make redemptions for their investors...
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CODE
PBB-O1: 9.05
PBB :  9.15


entering 8.XX very soon.

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on 10/10/08

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PBB-O1: 9.05
PBB :  9.15


entering 8.XX very soon.
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any action, pana? tongue.gif
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oh my....now at rm9 !!!

this is not good....the market's going down the dumps...worldwide as well... shocking.gif







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Is this a good time to buy? Dear advisors, what's the fair value of this stock? I'm thinking of buying at 20% discount below the fair value. Thank you.
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current situations are indicating that it's not a good time to buy, IMHO.

I reckon we haven't hit the bottom yet...

as for fair value for PBB.....I find it hard to say....as i've seen PBB gone up AND down....from the rm6 those days, to even reaching rm12...

so to me, it's abit unpredictable....IMHO, better hold on for a little longer...

especially with the political parties' elections in a coupla months...

of course there are others who beg to differ...but it's just my 0.2cents comments... biggrin.gif
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those who already bought should hold on, if money is not too tight sad.gif

i think it will go lower too
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It definitely has room for downside. As others become cheaper, it will pressure it to go lower.
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PBB-O1...8.70 sweat.gif

1st time see PBBANK 1-day drop more than 70 sens.
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PBB-O1...8.70 sweat.gif

1st time see PBBANK 1-day drop more than 70 sens.
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Got lah, back Feb 2007, it dropped more than Rm1.00 on that day. smile.gif

That time around 8.xx.

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Got lah, back Feb 2007, it dropped more than Rm1.00 on that day.  smile.gif
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oh right!! you reminded me tongue.gif
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yeah....that time's the beginning of the recession...where alot of ppl, inc me got burnt.... doh.gif shakehead.gif

...a period that i've been trying to forget...i believe some ppl too, trying to forget.... biggrin.gif blush.gif

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QUOTE(ravewar @ Oct 10 2008, 03:41 PM)
yeah....that time's the beginning of the recession...where alot of ppl, inc me got burnt.... doh.gif  shakehead.gif

...a period that i've been trying to forget...i believe some ppl too, trying to forget.... biggrin.gif  blush.gif
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No, it shouldn't be forgotten. It is a valuable lesson.

May be after 5 years, people will change their tone and will say, gosh, I should have buy at that time..
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wait for it to come down to rm5, do not rush in to buy now
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^ aiks!, i also no eye see liao, when it drops to RM5, rmb to PM me laugh.gif
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EVERYONE.....Dolphine_chan's here.....she's my wife.... biggrin.gif
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Husband and wife both play stock ya sweat.gif

Cool..My gf don allow me to play lol cry.gif
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Husband and wife both play stock ya sweat.gif

Cool..My gf don allow me to play lol  cry.gif
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i'm reverse... i dont allow my gf to play...... at least 1 in the safer zone...tongue.gif
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hehe....both of us have to thread carefully.... tongue.gif flex.gif



anyway, looks like PBB is really down today....

a question to all the sifoos/remisiers/etc...what's the lowest, from your opinions, would PBB hit?

the same goes to PBB01.

any speculations? any ballpark figures?

i'm hoping to pick it up again...as i like PBB....the interests and the stability...very good fundamentals...

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QUOTE(ravewar @ Oct 10 2008, 05:54 PM)
hehe....both of us have to thread carefully.... tongue.gif  flex.gif
anyway, looks like PBB is really down today....

a question to all the sifoos/remisiers/etc...what's the lowest, from your opinions, would PBB hit?

the same goes to PBB01.

any speculations? any ballpark figures?

i'm hoping to pick it up again...as i like PBB....the interests and the stability...very good fundamentals...
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You are quite lucky to sell-off earlier laugh.gif
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You are quite lucky to sell-off earlier  laugh.gif
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ok la... biggrin.gif

anyway, it's been 1 hell of a roller coaster ride on friday...
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QUOTE(ravewar @ Oct 10 2008, 05:54 PM)
hehe....both of us have to thread carefully.... tongue.gif  flex.gif
anyway, looks like PBB is really down today....

a question to all the sifoos/remisiers/etc...what's the lowest, from your opinions, would PBB hit?

the same goes to PBB01.

any speculations? any ballpark figures?

i'm hoping to pick it up again...as i like PBB....the interests and the stability...very good fundamentals...
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It's a solid company as you pointed out. I suggested earlier that a small sell-off could lead to a large fall in price because trading volume is so low, which may explain what has happened.

My advice is not to think about buying at the lowest. Nobody here can tell you what the lowest could and experienced investors don't spend too much time thinking about what that would be. I could tell you $5, $6, $7... what's the difference? If you really want to invest in the financial sector now (many people don't), then decide your own fair price in this environment. Don't invest your capital all at once. If price goes below that, then buy some more and lower your average purchase cost. Forget about lowest and highest price and hypothetical profits, just aim to beat a benchmark. E.g. beat inflation, or FD rate, or mortgage borrowing cost, mutual fund average returns, etc... whatever your benchmark may be.
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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Oct 8 2008, 07:31 PM)
Go to Invest Asia Online, and register yourself. Its free. Then you can check Malaysia markets, and there is a function to see 'Time & Sales'. This will show you the time of transaction, type of transaction and also the amount of the transaction.

Very useful to monitor how big the sell is or the buy is. It can also be used to check at what time the big sale/purchases are done.

Can be used for Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam stocks. I only use for Malaysia though.

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Can i ask, how do you interpret the buy up and sell down from 'investasia'?

For example the following :

Time Type Last Done Change Volume ('000) Total Change
17:00:14 Sell Down 8.950 0.000 2.0 -138.1
16:59:58 Sell Down 8.950 0.050 140.1 22.1
16:59:48 Sell Down 8.900 0.000 118.0 117.0
16:59:38 Buy Up 8.900 0.000 1.0 0.0

Your help is much appreciated.

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Another solid quarter for PBB. Hopefully that's good indication for banking industry of Malaysia. tongue.gif
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PBBANK Q3 Quaterly report is out today
Profit grows 25% compare to previous year.

For more info, kindly refer to:
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PBBANK Q3 Quaterly report is out today
Profit grows 25% compare to previous year.

For more info, kindly refer to:
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pretty healthy rite? All hail to our "tai kor" of local banks notworthy.gif tongue.gif
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I think it is only the 3rd largest "net worth" in Malaysia. Wonder why everyone put PBB as the "tai kor" in banking. Anyway i plan to buy PBBank too. wah everyone discussing it will drop to 5? thumbup.gif
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I think it is only the 3rd largest "net worth" in Malaysia. Wonder why everyone put PBB as the "tai kor" in banking. Anyway i plan to buy PBBank too. wah everyone discussing it will drop to 5?  thumbup.gif
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