Viper88, omg.. blood ?! ur fren mad lalready lol..

Ya.. he come out with all sort of crazy idea in spider fighting stuff. I now recall ady.. he told me tat he kill his other smaller/weak male spider and lets his King spider which is starving to eat as FOOD! . The main reason is to train his King spider to kill off/eat other male fighting spider during fight!! Tat is why his spider always terkam and try to kill other spider during fight.. been train ady ma.

He also the kejam type, press the female spider backside till kemek abit so it wont run away and let his King spider rape it.

Cheers,
v_viper88

Still can grow meh? After changing the last skin, i think spiders cannot grow any more leh... only abdomen can grow fatter la... i dont think the size of the head or arms can grow somemore.

Aiyah..got car one mah. Besides my wife's parents stay in Ampang. Is Ampang near Setiawangsa? Or can meet somewhere like Midvalley Pet wonderland. My bighead getting old oledi...soon wont be able to fight leow. Maybe this sunday i am free. Up to u ler... let me know.

Depends if hot day or one whole day din drink, sure to drink a lot of water. Without water, the spider will shrink.

Hey, car fanatic, i saw u on friendster oledi... added u as friend, spider friend

Wah ur fren quite teruk... esp press the female till kemek.... this i never do before. Last time as kid i also got fight males sometimes till they die cuz the winner is too fierce. But now i try not to do it anymore... not so good thing to do to something that bring me so much joy. U still in contact with this fren ah?

i also tried before to let my spider drink my blood but usually they avoid. maybe unless thirsty they will drink? Walao, talk about self sacrifice.

But i also think that is one of the ways expert train their spiders, letting it eat other males. These guys are gamblers, they fight to win money, so they will do anything to ensure their spiders are killers. One of them i know is in seremban. I havent met him yet but i got his contact in Dec last year and may contact him this cny. In seremban he is known as "pao fu wong" (fighting spider king). They say he play spider cari makan. Maybe tomolo i let u know how i come to get his contact. Quite interesting.

Tomorrow morning will be going for a short spider hunt cuz not working tomolo. See wheather can get new first king.

Ya.. i saw bfr some of the fighting spiders quite big. Its arms and legs also very long whole size like 20 sens or about half thumb finger size.
Last time got one guy post his spider about 20 sen size.. its quite big also. I'm looking forward to catch or have a big fighting spider as pet.
I didn't keep in touch with my primary skool friend ady.. just remember his name is Saufi. He kept his fighting spider in matchbox. When his spider come out from the matchbox, it seems like wild and frenzy type movement ready to fight its opponent. His spider colour is light blue green and black type. Not like the normal light green black type.

Hmm.. this Sat-Sun i'm off. Normally i'll go out wif my gf.
Ampang is near Setiawangsa. Do u know where is Ampang Great Eastern Mall? From its T-Junction, go down straight is to Jalan Jelatek, further up abit is Setiawangsa already. Maybe we can meet up if you are around there.

This morning i've caught 2 average size male spiders from red leaves around my housing area jogging place.
The spiders are wild, ran very fast and not east to catch, I've to cut the leaves rear end part and bring it to open air before manage to put it into the plastic case.

Here's the pics both of the Red leave spiders fight





Short arm pushing only, no bitting..

The winner fight with Banglo spider.

Here the pic side by side.. see the size.. Banglo spider bigger abit.





The fight starts





Banglo spider defeated the Red leaf spider easily. Again just normal short arm fighting style only.. no grapping, bitting, throwing or counter attack.
Abit disappointed coz i tot the Red leaf spider can give some good fight since its kinda wild and hard 2 catch.

Later let it fight again but it become kecut ady, so released both the red leaf male spiders to my house garden.

:Cheers,
v_viper88

This post has been edited by viper88: Jan 22 2008, 06:54 PM


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walao.. nice... i really feel like catching one already

Go catch lar if free, or if u interested, i can catch and sell it to u. RM 10 for average male adult spider ok onot?

Cheers,
v_viper88

This post has been edited by viper88: Jan 22 2008, 08:53 PM

Today tak jadi catch spider, too busy settling some other stuff.

Wah, your area really alot of spiders la. I see u go here and there also can find males.

Jeletek...you stay around there ah...heh. My wife work in Ampang Great Eastern mall la. Hey, don't meet also can fight our spiders! You pass ur spider to my wife, my wife bring home to me, I fight and videocam, then i feed it big big and pass back to you. Haha! Can trust me, won't harm your spider or exchange ur spider. I thought of passing u my spider but if u dont have videocam, rugi if got good long fight. Actually if ur spider can win bighead, i willing to buy from u RM20 if u willing to sell. PS. Kevin, i added u as friend in friendster.

Today fought blurman and bro2. Blurman lost. Push only but quite long. But I was surprise Blurman dare to fight...looks also very fierce when showing angry face. 2nd day after change skin only leh. Blurman i realize is not small, at least average size... arms also long. I can see his body not keras yet, the legs like still lembek, that's why lost to a more matured spider. I am sure keep longer sure can easily win back bro2 and can even win topman(topman being the winner in the doubleflip and throw prevention clips). Topman is small but a good fighter.


Actually in ANY fight, there are 2 important considerations wheather man or animal considering same species.

1. Size/weight - size/weight differences should be eliminated
In the case of fighting spiders - it should be size of head because weight ratio of food to body size is big hence a meal of a spider can change its overall weight tremendously unlike man which weight ratio of food to body is small hence for man weight differences is elimated by having weight categories.

Notes:
(that is why fighting between different species of different size like the japanese clips is crazy and unfair although interesting to watch. If like that, then on land, the south africa male elephant sure win everything)

(Bighead may not be a good fighter allthough it is champion now. It won all fights simply because of size. I have yet to see him fight a really good fight, that's why i started this tread, to find a challenger for him)

(In fights involving gambling, comparing size is the most important thing to do. No one would fight a spider or anything if they can see their animal is smaller... high risk losing. So fights usually involve same size. Animals that is smaller but can win bigger opponent, they call it money [animal], because they are good fighters and can win their owners money. Because gambling got odds mah, example if mine is smaller i can bet 1 to 3 against a bigger opponent)

2. Age - Age inevitably affect the performance of any living thing. All animals will have a period of
peak performance in their live time. No fighter can win forever because no living creature lives forever. You don't expect a small baby or a oldman to win a fight rite? Hence the trick is to catch them at this period for the best outcome of a fight.

Having settle this 2 variables. The fight would be considered fair and square and other variables come
in to play which will determine the winner.

1. Tenacity/Willingness to fight and not give up easily (MENTAL)
This variable culls off a lot of lousy fighters
This variable can also be affected by letting the male see a female or let it win repeatedly to a smaller male

2. Fitness - a combination of strength(in the case of spiders/insect - toughness of exoskeleton also), alertness(accuracy/response/speed) and flexibility (PHYSICAL)
This variable can be affected by food, living environment and training (eg play with it, let it jump far, shake it and let it climb up its own web)

3. Fight techniques - everybody loves a good technician
Chop/"Sek pao" is one of them - the surprise element
Can be affected to a degree in a sense that chop can be spread(disease or learned?)


Choosing a good fighter to keep or breed.

A good fighter can ONLY be acertain if it has fought another good fighter. Therefore, any fight that last long would be by 2 good fighters wheather they win or lose. Hence both would be worth keeping. If 2 spiders fight long with each other the first time, subsequent fights between the same spiders would usually also be quite long considering they are kept healthy.(eg from my clips: quietman vs toobig, topman vs bro1)

A winner that fought a short push may or may not be a good fighter simply because the loser may just be kecut or very lousy. An example is Allblacks(gone already, lost it in my car). I thought it was good fighter becuz it won a lot of fights, but all only short push. When I finally fought it with stronger spiders it also fought short push and lost. When i finally analyze all its fights... i realize it never fought a good fight before...the most is one terkam only and only in one or two fights, so Allblacks was not a good fighter, then again maybe it is old already.

Good fighters
1. Last long in fights - graples, throws, bites, flips, attack side
2. Eventhough lose, it last 2 chops of more to a bigger spider
3. Eventhough lose, it dares to fight again in a short while.

The best fighters I documented would be quietman and scareycat. Quietman is actually slightly smaller than toobig but won both times they fight with exciting moves. Lumpy is bigger than quietman and although quietman lost but yet can put up long and good fight. Scareycat is smaller than quietman and although scareycat lost but fought until injured. Scareycat has another fight clip which proves he is one awesome fighter. It is unfortunate i am no longer keeping these two spiders. I only realize all of what i wrote above only after i release them.

This post has been edited by mindstorm: Jan 23 2008, 03:19 AM

Yeah go catch lar. My spiders waiting for u.

Actually easy to rear.
1. Keep in transparent box with holes
2. Make sure give water everday
3. Make sure feed it with at least one insect at day - ant/mosquito/fly - drop it infront of it or put in its container
4. Keep it out of hot area and away from ants
5. Clean out its container every few days

For more insight, can see the text file i post if you dont mind reading(quite panjang lebar ler...)

You catch and give me lar...if can win my first king, i buy from u.

This post has been edited by mindstorm: Jan 23 2008, 03:13 AM


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yea, actually i am also afraid kena bitten by snakes. That's why when i go to these places, my eyes is looking everywhere. But i also know most of these places no snakes. You know why? Cuz in town city area mah.
For snakes to survive and breed, it must have live food source so only places where there are rats or frogs a lot got snakes. Also these places i go to is usually isolated patch of land surrounded by human dwellings. Snake susah to survive where there is human. Accidently crawl out sure kena killed. So how can snakes exist there?

But i don't deny some places i go to sure got snake...
But talking to people who goes deep jungle trekking, they say best way to avoid snakes is to walk LOUDLY,... snakes tend to avoid ppl and move away.

This post has been edited by mindstorm: Jan 23 2008, 03:24 AM

Not insect la. Spider is an arachnid. Different group from insect. All insects got six legs. Spiders got eight so does mites and scorpians.

This post has been edited by mindstorm: Jan 23 2008, 03:20 AM

My area got spider, but mostly female and average male spiders. Kinda hard to find those adult big male spider.
The one caught at the my neighbour house banglo also not very big size.

Don't have daun sirih at my housing area... last time during skool days i used to catch spider at daun sirih.. very easy to find big adult male. Easy to pull off the daun sirih also and catch the spider

Wa.. ask ur wife bring home my spider to fight?
I think better meet up and fight the spiders somewhere near Setiawangsa. I can show you around tat area. Got nice KL City view there.
My spider not so ganas leh.. not sure whether can give good fight onot.

Not planning to sell Banglo.. i plan to keep it as pet.


Cheers,
v_viper88







This post has been edited by viper88: Jan 23 2008, 04:02 PM

What you describe here is a chop spider/"sek pao". Training with a smaller spider will not convert it. I've managed to convert some by fighting normal behavior spiders with other chop males. Depending on how much they exhibit this frenzy behavior, they will appear somewhat "mabuk" when they walk. When faced with another male, a chop spider frequently will not even show an angry face. It will pounce and bite first without waiting for a response. So if you're fighting with a chop spider it is ESSENTIAL that it doesn't see the other male first.

Chop fighting spiders do not have the same interest in females as normal males. Therefore they do not have the tendency to leave their nests in search of females. They do not exhibit this frenzy behavior towards spiders of other types. Female chop spiders exist, but are very very rare.

I believe it's a disease that can be transmitted. I have no proof, but we see it in other animals (e.g. vicious aggression in rabid animals). One can also argue that it's a learned behavior. Imagine getting one and then converting all your other normal males to become chop.

Whatever it is, it's not normal. They sure are the finest fighters though.

I naber heard bfr about chop spider/sek pao. Coz mostly my friend who play spider are Malays.

My friend, Saufi's spider its the same fighting spider.. It colour is brighter, light blueish green, black and its size is BIG. Its arms and legs also long, walk also looks taller.

Its fighting stance position also same when see its opponent. Defensive Arms and backside up sway left/right. It will fight direct with its arms and bite face to face if the enemey engage in a direct fight. The only different is its more fierce type. If the the enemy spider is unaware of its presence from behind, it will move close with its fighting stance position and when its near, it will terkam and wack the enemy kaw kaw.
Saw few times it able to kill its enemy in a direct fight and sometimes manage to cripple/broke its enemy arms. Ganas siut!

If against other type of normal spider, it will also pose defensive fighting stance but once closer it will terkam and kill its enemy. Normal fighting spider also like tat.. will kill off other type spider if it sense danger.

Yeah, its movement is like frantic or excited type. Seems like its high on killing mode. I've saw this type of movement for fighting spider also only when there are many ants close to it. It will move like gila gila abit backward and forward then terkam/throw the ants which is nearby. Seldom
see fighting spider movement like this when wanna fight time.

Sometimes i wonder whether izit the chemical thing from the matchbox tat cause my friend spider become so fierce and frenzy beside the training/fed with other smaller/weaker spider and alwys give female spider, drink blood etcs..

I got fight with his spider before, my spider almost dark black colour, its light green stripes colour fade off ady only left little green dots coz i alwys keep under my bed very dark place. Normally people says those fighting spider color turned dark is also quite fierce and easily called as Pak Tam or Pak Hitam. Its easy to differentiate my spider oso coz its colour is different.

My spider slightly smaller abit than his, it gave a good long fight, terkam-menerkam but still lost.. my friend play cheat coz half way during the spiders was fighting he tilted his matchbox giving advantage position for his spider to push my spider downwards.. damn.
Anyway, my spider also got advantage coz my friend's spider already fight few matches before against my Pak Tam.

Cheers,
v_viper88


This post has been edited by viper88: Jan 23 2008, 05:33 PM

chop=terkam=grappling + biting

chop spider=spider without angry stance when figthing, just attack straight

yea, chop spiders rocks. No angry face, in fact sometimes seems like seeing a female with both arms raised(but not shaking)...then SUDDENLY terkam.

an interesting article to tell u want happens when a spider moult
http://science.howstuffworks.com/spider8.htm
"Typically, the spider does most of its growing immediately after losing the old exoskeleton, while the new exoskeleton is highly flexible."
This means before moulting a spider need to be well fed and drink plenty of water...so that when it moult, it can expand to the fullest.

This study shows spider females in general mate only once
http://www.bioone.org/perlserv/?request=ge...6%2FS02-72&ct=1

today fights:

blurman vs bro2
- blurman wins! only short push

bro1 vs blurman
- blurman terkam bro1 first! but bro1 was too steady...blurman kalah
- wah 3rd day after moulting, blurman dare to terkam others first! i think blurman will be quite good fighter in time
to come

topman vs bro1
- they both rolled out of the camera screen because too close up
- topman won

topman vs bro1
- incredibly bro1 dare to fight again immediately
- again topman won with one very powerful terkam

bro1 seems to have the tactic of clinging on to the other spider when kena terkam.
topman seems to be in the peak...

Viper: I still need to confirm wheather i free this sunday. If can also, it will be sunday evening...4-5pm. Cuz i am going back seremban on sat nite for a relative's birthday party. Tomorrow let u know. If inconvenient for u or pai se or scared my spider eat ur spider, let me know, no obligation, no pressure. There will always be another spider, another time.

Terrorist: How? Have you caught any spider yet? if i can, do u want to follow me go visit viper if he ok?

i haven caught any spiders .. my area here don have la lol.. have to go a bit hutan2 area..

Where u stay? If u stay in KL, maybe u can go Tasik Titiwangsa and cari..lol

Hmm.. the reserve forest next to KL Tower oso seems like a good place to find fierce spider.

Cheers,
v_viper88

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Added on January 24, 2008, 4:41 pmMy friend, Saufi spider also shows angry stance when fighting, but its main different is it will chop its enemy kaw kaw when not aware of its presents. Nowdays hard to find spider like tat ady. Most of the spiders i caught at my housing area not very fierce type.

This morning after jogging, i caught 3 females, 3 males spider. Release all the females to my house garden as usual.
2 average male spider and 1 adult male spider. The adult male spider seems same size like the Banglo spider.

Ok.. let them fight.

I took a satay stick and cucuk on a leaves. Let the spider fight till whichever spider tat ran away or scares till jump off from the leaves will consider lose.

Average size spider vs another average male spider.

1st Male


2nd Male


Fight


No fight, one of it kecut type don't want to fight just ran away. The winner fight with the adult male spider. Short push only.. the adult spider win easily.

2 average male spider vs Banglo spider
Banglo spider wins easily.. it chased off both average size spider, made them ran and jump off from the leaves


Banglo spider vs adult spider. Both are about the same size

New big adult spider




Fight.








Banglo spider win easily. Just short push and the new bigt spider gave up and ran. Try to fight again 2nd time but still lose and ran.
Haiz.. why not fierce 1? Big oso leh..

Release the 2 average adult spider to my house garden. Still keep the new adult male spider as sparring partner for Banglo spider.

Mindstorm: Its ok, no worry. I also not sure on Sunday i got other plans onot. Anyway, i feel my spider not really fierce type, not sure can give ur spider good fight or not. If win or lose, its fine with me. No need fight till death 1, if the spider ran ady, no need cont to fight lo.

If you got any big and strong spider extra, i'm interested to get it from you also.

Will pm you my contact no. for easier communication. Dont pass it around k.. thx.


Cheers,
v_viper88


This post has been edited by viper88: Jan 24 2008, 06:32 PM

hmm.. i go try search around my house here punye padang , see got or not..

a gift to you guys,

jumping spider macro shots



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