Hope you enjoyed it, man. This one's for you... the captor. How wonderful the camcord and internet is, being able to share our passion halfway across the world and with everyone.

Wah, use the small chop to convert Bighead??!! High risk having arm broken off or being eaten leh...

wow, long time didnt play this game dy...
try to get one when i free, and i'll post the pic when i get one..

Archilles seems to be more active, I agree. He also seems darker in the head. Did he look like that to you?
Knowing that temperature affects the speed of the spiders, would they become better fighters in the afternoon than at night?

I had the feeling that Bighead wasn't going to give up on the fight. It's like a boxer getting pushed to the ropes and bloodied, but stayed on and won the fight. I never thought that he was a good fighter technique wise. He has size and pushed the other spiders around. Have you noticed that he's never the aggressor on fights (i.e. never chops first)? . It's very surprising that he had the "fight till I die attitude" yesterday.

The small chop can be used to convert the smaller males first as a trial. From my anecdotal observation, the chop attribute can be passed on by:
1. Repeated fights (not no-shows) with a chop.
2. Living in the nest previously inhabited by a chop. Replace the chop with a normal male after the chop has been staying at a nest for 1 week.
It's either a learned trait (e.g. madness), or a disease. Whatever it is, it can be passed on.

Alrite man, welcome to the gang. Hope you get something like Bighead or Archilles. The more the merrier!

BigHead being attacked fiercely repeatedly by Archilles making it to do the drastic counter attack..
From the video, its seems BigHead managed to locked Archilles arms after unable to stop/hold from being push up strongly, BigHead then manage to stand higher and do a full chop n push or izit a HEAD BUTT attack ?

Archilles after being knock hard on its face/head ... seems lost balance.
BigHead unexpected strong counter attack makes Archilles panic n flip to break free from BigHead's tight lock.

Hmm.. u think large spiders tend to fight a bit slower and not as fast as average sized spiders?

I feel actually large spiders fight more skillfully using superb fighting techniques. I've saw some really fierce ones bfr and Big size spider is more POWERFUL and have more advantages.!!!

They don't just jump into fight directly... they will analyst its opponent arm width, size to determine enemy's strenght bfr start the fight.

When the fight starts, it will push strongly, lock its opponent arms and chop fiercely without give its opponent to push or lock back.
Once its opponent get lock by its arms, it will start chop kaw kaw and try to lift/flip them. Spider which manage to lock it opponent arms also have advantage to carry and swap fighting position

Strong Large spiders can counter its enemy chop many times by locking/ flip swap position and can return more chops back! More the 10 -20 chops !! and those
really fierce have very tight lock n strong bites at its opponent many times till broken arm n some till death if not able to break free.

They wont retreat easily and have more fighting strength compare to average size male spiders.

The young or average male fighting spiders normally have short fast fight only, about 1-4 chops and 1-2 arm locks.
They cant last long if the fight drag long coz they dont have the strength,skill and fighting spirit confidence. Their fight is less exciting compare to the fiercely and strong and bigger adult male spider.

Its not about the fighting speed slower compare to average size spider but its more about fighting skill experience/techniques for the larger strong adult spiders.

Archilles and BigHead fight is a very good example of strong fighting spider with good skills and fighting techniques. Nowdays its hard to get spiders which can fight like this!!

Mindstorm interest and effort to catch big strong fighting spider and post his experience here really something tat i admire , tats why i try my best to search good challenger for him.

Yeah, i've caught another big adult male spider today, its slightly smaller than Archilles but bigger den other normal size males spiders which i have. Caught at the same place where i found Archilles last time but from daun Pandan. Named it as Spartan coz i watched 300 movie before went out to search for spiders this evening.
Spartan defeated Lily, Banglo and LowLand/NoName easily. Didnt let it fight with Archillies yet.

The female spider which put 2gther with Achilles have eggs ady in its nest. Dont know how to breed spiderlings. Mindstorm, u interested with eggs?

Cheers,
v_viper88

This post has been edited by viper88: Feb 15 2008, 01:23 AM

Ok, for the record, here's the previous record time fighting match on 25/11/07 between Scareycat(caught by mangrovejumper) and Pippy(caught by me)... an exciting 17 second fast fighting action match which ended in a topdown lock position. They were only average size spiders. Compared to Archilles vs Bighead, we can see the smaller spiders fight much faster with incredible chopping speed and rapid biting. One similarity, both winners are injured while the one that lost is ok!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CWi7EUOTQA

Also a 6s fight between pippy and midbogel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQnJ0Ks7FhM

Enjoy

This post has been edited by mindstorm: Feb 15 2008, 01:38 AM

Nice video, its a good fight where both spiders didnt give up easily.
Lotsa arm locking and bitting as well. Wheres the longest spider fight u shown me last time?
The winner leg injured after the fight? That is oso a very fierce powerful good fight!

For me, i see ScareyCat and Pippy have about the same fighting skill if compared to Archilles VS BigHead. Good locking, bitting n defensive skills.
Actually i feel Archillies and BigHead match is much more exciting and both spiders have more fighting experience skill.
Archilles attack pushing and chopping speed is faster and strenght is much stronger coz can push BigHead all the way down and den push further up while launch fierce chops.
BigHead is good in defend with strong locking techniques and good counter chop attack!!.

If the spiders are good in locking, they cant fight using their arms as fast compare when not being lock earlier. Experience spider will lock its oppoenent arms to stop from being push backwards.
The spiders which have been locked, only have 3 choices :
-Chop bite fiercely to break free.
-Do a strong push/jump using its hind legs forward.
-Try to flip/swap position to get out from the lock

Maybe there are other choices oso, like sacrifice/break off its own arm and retreat or etcs..

Those spiders who been injured or weaken in a fight, if continue to fight might not able to breakfree from its opponent arms lock and
might end up injured badly injured from chops or worst case is death.


Cheers,
v_viper88



This post has been edited by viper88: Feb 15 2008, 02:20 PM

aiyo...cant find any fighting sipder near my house although alot of pandan leaves....

Wa.. u house alot pandan leaves but cant find any fighting spiders? Normally there are alot fighting spider at daun Pandan coz the leaves smell nice and can trap/hold alot rain water with its middle leaves curve. I can even find pandan leaves planted outside my neighbours house... small and average adult size. I found Archilles from area which have daun Nipah and Pandan area. Its a small garden man made in front of Semi-D house.. lotsa other plants there oso.. got lily, Aloe Vera, Orchid, Daun setawar, Bamboo etcs.

I've let go 3 of my spiders today, Banglo, Lily and Noname/LowLand to pandan leaves area.
Before let go, i let them have a final fight.

Lily vs Noname/LowLand - Lily won
Lily vs Banglo - Lily won
Spartan vs Lily/Banglo/NoName/LowLand - Spartan won

Abit heavy hearted but i feel that its better for them coz i don't have much time to take care of too many spiders and their size/fighting skill is average only. Now only have Archilles and Spartan + 2 females spiders.


Cheers,
v_viper88

Heh..i myself got 2 batch of eggs here. One from quietman and one from bighead(mating in the air). Better you keep the eggs until hatch then let the slings go in your garden. Right now I don't think can cope with so many spiders but I am now designing a system to keep the young. Keeping a few spiders is easy. Keeping a lot of them is tough. To be able to develop a gene line of an animal one need to breed and keep a lot of the animal so that you can have choice to select the type of trait you want.

I have always been interested in automated systems, systems which save working time and energy and I am constantly thinking how to build systems. I used to breed fishes during my teens and at one time I had a few hundred adult bettas in my room!! When I graduated from Singapore, I went to work for a fish farm in Singapore which bred guppies and Discus for overseas export. It was a great experience to see how people can rear hundreds of thousands of fishes with only a few staffs. I help them improved their packing time and help develop a system to rear a type of live feed for their fishes and sale in local market. And that is precisely what i have always been intrigued in.. rearing critters in large quantities! Hence rite now I'm thinking and trying methods for fighting spiders, just for the challenge.

Right now feeding fighting spiders is mighty inefficient. To feed about 500 guppies in a cement tank takes an average 5 seconds...that is to scoop some dry fish meal and toss it over the water surface and to walk from one tank to another. To feed a single spider, would probably take 5-10minutes if you're fast which include having to catch the live insect and to place it into its container. 5 minutes = 300seconds. Divide by 5 seconds(feeding guppy time)=60 and times it by 500 means feeding a fighting spider is 30,000 times slower than a farmer hand feeding guppies!!! So you see, the difference in the economics just on feeding these 2 creatures is astoundingly vast. That's why you let go most of your spiders!

I have seen on TV, people rearing black widow by the hundreds. They are kept individually had to feed them individually not unlike a betta farmer would feed its adult males. Like the betta farmer, they were extremely fast because those black widows were reared in paper cups(one over another, different size i think so that one can close over the other) and they were fed a type of grub. So I watched the farmer just lift a paper cup, pour in a grup or two from a cup he was holding and then just close back the paper cup and moved on to the next cup.

Anyway that was just food for thought.

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Added on February 16, 2008, 1:50 amThat was the longest fight lah, 17s. Now overtaken by ArchillesvsBighead already mah, 22 seconds.
Wah, you really analyze the fights more geng than me or Mangrovejumper, man. Yeah, that's why i love fighting spiders so much, their fights is very short(compared to other animals) but very exciting, with lots of variety.

This post has been edited by mindstorm: Feb 16 2008, 02:42 AM

Guess what?! 6leg is actually bigger than Bighead!!... and it is CHOP! Darn...if it was full legged, this guy would be awesome. But even with 6 legs, as a chop...it is a very formidable foe given its size. Man...

Here is Bighead vs 6leg on their first encounter...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yZV3D6nR4o

I also discovered i had a chop female. This female is already very black and its chop trait probably come as a result of old age. This is the female which i accidently took it back with its nest and the eggs become brown. I kept this female and it was very thin and weak when i separated it in another container. It hardly move and refused to eat. It looked as it was going to die. Anyway i just made sure it had water. Surprisingly after two days it moved more and it ate small fruit fly. Slowly it regained its health back. Amazing man... it was probably sick and recovered!!
Anyway here is it in action.... 3 clips in one. First opponent is a female from kelapa sawit. 2nd and 3rd clip is Bigqueen...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Chp6X2ZSiA

So I have a big handicap chop and a chop female.

So naturally if i want baby chops, i would need to breed them. So can a chop male breed with a chop female??
Haha! Watch to find out...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcpNEpG2Fws

Actually its easy to feed the spiders, just throw in a few dead/half dead fat juicy ants and some water drops into the spider case. It will eat and drink by itself when its hungry. Clean its case about 3 days once if dirty. I prefer to keep only few stronger/ good fighting spiders so can take care them better.

6 legs have disadvantage when fighting coz one of its arm is missing. If kena grap by opponent same size/bigger, it will get flip/lose balance easily.
The female chop u have seems good. Chop fiercely. Even chop till 6Legs injured. Spiders tat been chop by surprise normally will panic and ran away.

I feel chop spider is actually based on its living environment. If theres alot predators like ants, other species spiders.. they normally will chop to defend themselves or hunt bigger insects as food supply. This type of spider are more fierce and stronger oso.

I noticed some of my spider Lily, Banglo and LowLand at the begining when captured doesn't chop much.. just arm pushing.
Eat & drink less oso.. After few weeks keep them, i can see some changes in their fighting skill... especially Lily.. it start to chop more during fights but inconsistent.

Archilles oso during fight with BigHead, can see strong push with fierce chops many times.

A true chops fighting spiders are the one tat chop to kill its enemy!! It doesn't care to fight face to face or whether its opponent size is
bigger oso. If it opponent is strong and didnt retreat after the chop or kena arm lock, then only it will fight as normal but during fight it will still launch alot fierce chop bitting try to kill its enemy.

A chop fighting spider definitely an excellent fighter and can dominate the fight.

Cheers,
v_viper88




This post has been edited by viper88: Feb 16 2008, 09:09 PM

True, as i said, feeding them is easy if only 2 or 3 spiders. But can you feed a hundred spiders? In 5 seconds? You can feed a tank full of fish(like your brother fishes) in 5 seconds.

Anyway here's kelapasawit, a male i caught from a kelapasawit plantation. 3 clips in one, with the last match lasting 14 seconds! Bro1 is mighty experienced. (i wrongly mentioned kelapasawit as redleaf in the last clip, should be kelapasawit)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlAXqI5ky1Y

This post has been edited by mindstorm: Feb 16 2008, 11:37 AM

They way they fight, I'm suprised we don't catch more cacat chops with less than a full set of legs. 6leg huge, I don't doubt that he lost his legs from fights. Looks like you have struck gold in the new area you went to.

It won't be long now before Bighead picks up the chop trait now that you have 3 chops spreading it around.

The black female fights like a chop. Interestingly it also shows an angry face and sometimes waits to advance. Perhaps it's partially chop. Most chops do not have the patience to wait for the opponents' cue before attacking.

You now have proof that chop is an acquired behaviour (bred, not born). They can't/won't breed once they pick it up. I bet if you put the 6leg with a normal female, he won't mate either.
We also know that not all fighting spiders acquire it in their lives. So it's not an age-related behaviour either.

To me, both spiders look equally matured to me. Neither too dark nor too light. I also think that certain time of the day they fight more actively.

Wow, this Kelapasawit is real keng wo!

Never know there are fighting spiders...

This spider feeds what? You guys catch it for petting it or just want to see them fight?

Makan other live insects. Catch as a pet to watch and to fight. Cannot pet la...so small, mati ooo if you put your finger on it.

Oh ya lol. Too little.

Other insects? O_o As in..?

Yeah.. few hundreds requires more time to feed if do manually.

I think if got alot spiders, each spider will be in separated case. Put some water using leaves tat can store/trap/hold water inside the case. Use the fish food automatic timer device set drop food every 24hours once for each of the spider case. Food can be from dead mosquitoes, flies, ants etcs..

Nice videos. Both spiders can fight well and last quite long. Yeah.. i remember last time u got show me another video ur fren holding a big spider. Tat spider is quite big oso.

Archilles is getting bigger, its appetite is good, everyday oso eat n drink alot.
I've compare Archilles with Spartan. Spartan size is smaller. i think maybe like ur BigGuns size.

Dont want to let them fight .. prefer Spartan to fight with ur BigGuns next time.

Cheers,
v_viper88

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Added on February 16, 2008, 12:28 pmYeah.. nice fight. You should see the fight between Achilles vs BigHeads..more KENG Chow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uPncA-m4Tk&feature=related

These spiders can feed on small insects like mosquitoes, flies, ants etcs.. they like juicy stuff..

I catch these spiders coz wanna fight with Mindstorm big spiders.
Fighting spider is also one of my favourite hobby and i like to keep it as pet and also to let them fight once a while.

Cheers,
v_viper88


This post has been edited by viper88: Feb 16 2008, 12:39 PM