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post Sep 28 2025, 07:28 PM, updated 2 months ago

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40, male here. Stable job, stable and good income, dated before but no sexual experience. Not a moral stance. it’s just how life unfolded.

Lately I get labeled “immature” because my mindset is pretty youthful.

With women closer to my age (mid-30s to mid-40s), things often feel complicated—everyone’s carrying history and sometimes it drifts into a transactional vibe.

With women a bit younger (mid-20s to mid-30s), I’ve noticed early career success can come with quick character judgments.

With women in their early 20s, I actually find it easier to connect. It’s not about “taking advantage”, I’m looking for a long-term, committed relationship. Being older makes me want to show up steady, respectful, and protective so we can build something simple and good.

Is this just me? Do I need to present myself differently? Any tips from people who’ve navigated:

Being 40+ with no sexual history

Getting misread as “immature” when you’re just upbeat/young-at-heart

Bridging different life stages without it feeling transactional

Posting this partly because modern dating is absurdly funny confused.gif
also genuinely curious what others think. Roast me or coach me console.gif

TL;DR: 40, Male, no sexual history, young vibe. Same-age dating feels complex, early-20s adults feel easier to connect with. How do I avoid the “immature” label and find the right fit for a long-term relationship?

This post has been edited by Fabrication: Sep 28 2025, 10:46 PM
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post Sep 28 2025, 09:50 PM

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what are you looking for in a relationship

if you say that you lack sexual experience, then do you want to start practicing it?

are you relatively physically healthy

are you looking to settle down and start a family.

if so then you need to ensure that you can continue to support your child after retirement age of 60
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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Sep 28 2025, 09:50 PM)
what are you looking for in a relationship

if you say that you lack sexual experience, then do you want to start practicing it?

are you relatively physically healthy

are you looking to settle down and start a family.

if so then you need to ensure that you can continue to support your child after retirement age of 60
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What I’m looking for
A long-term, committed relationship aimed at eventually settling into family, built on kindness, laughter, and sharing everyday moments. No rush. What matters is mutual respect, clear communication, and showing up for each other in life’s big and small moments

About sexual experience
I’m just being upfront that I have no sexual experience. I’m not looking to “practice” casually, I’d prefer intimacy to grow naturally within a committed relationship. No 'cheong' for me

Health
Yes, healthy and active. I just did a half marathon run this year, 172 cm / 75 kg, and not bald 😄

Finances
Stable career and long-term planning (EPF/savings/investments). I’ll make sure to have a realistic plan to support children

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post Sep 29 2025, 12:35 PM

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TS, i can see that you really mean it when you say that you are young at heart.

unfortunately, as I have told many of my younger female colleagues / friends in the past, no matter how young you look IC never lie.

your current approach to dating is more suitable for someone who is still in the 20s or early 30s at most.

once you get into your mid 30s and in your case already 40s, the approach has to change to something more practical, realistic and serous.

if you follow your approach, it will take you some time to really find your partner, settled down and eventually have kids.

by then, you could be already close to 48 to 50 and by the time you retire, your kids are only like 10 to 12

also how old is your partner going to be

if you find a more matured partner, they won't wait for you.

your targets should be female about 10 years younger than you so can still have kids

but only get married if you want kids, else better stay single and go for Sugar baby

good luck TS, don't feel down or suicidal

live your life day by day

what you need to do first is to get laid

and another point, do you really know your sexual orientation and preference

could be one of the reasons keeping you down


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post Sep 29 2025, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(Fabrication @ Sep 28 2025, 07:28 PM)
With women closer to my age (mid-30s to mid-40s), things often feel complicated—everyone’s carrying history and sometimes it drifts into a transactional vibe.

With women a bit younger (mid-20s to mid-30s), I’ve noticed early career success can come with quick character judgments.

With women in their early 20s, I actually find it easier to connect. It’s not about “taking advantage”, I’m looking for a long-term, committed relationship. Being older makes me want to show up steady, respectful, and protective so we can build something simple and good.

Is this just me? Do I need to present myself differently?

TL;DR: 40, Male, no sexual history, young vibe. Same-age dating feels complex, early-20s adults feel easier to connect with. How do I avoid the “immature” label and find the right fit for a long-term relationship?
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Hi TS, I'm concerned with your thread tag that you're suicidal, but I don't know enough to advise effectively... Specifically speaking, I feel disconnected with gen Z (20s?) and I think I'm very biased against them, so I can't make fair comparisons. For now I'd like to understand your stories first.

Please elaborate on "transactional vibes". What made you think so and how you feeling about those incidents?
On similar note, what made you conclude you were taken advantage of by those in 30s-40s? How does that contrast with those in 20s?

I don't understand quick character judgement part -- who's judging who?

"Do I need to present myself differently?" Depends.
1. Do you hate your current self? If yes, which parts?
2. Imagine dating yourself, what do you think? E.g. ok, funny, or disgust..
3. What kind of partner are you looking for? E.g. if you want a wifey material, club isn't where you'd want to find a girl.

What of you that made others label you immature?

Any young-at-heart examples/description of yourself?
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post Sep 29 2025, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(Fabrication @ Sep 28 2025, 07:28 PM)
40, male here. Stable job, stable and good income, dated before but no sexual experience. Not a moral stance. it’s just how life unfolded.

Lately I get labeled “immature” because my mindset is pretty youthful.

With women closer to my age (mid-30s to mid-40s), things often feel complicated—everyone’s carrying history and sometimes it drifts into a transactional vibe.

With women a bit younger (mid-20s to mid-30s), I’ve noticed early career success can come with quick character judgments.

With women in their early 20s, I actually find it easier to connect. It’s not about “taking advantage”, I’m looking for a long-term, committed relationship. Being older makes me want to show up steady, respectful, and protective so we can build something simple and good.

Is this just me? Do I need to present myself differently? Any tips from people who’ve navigated:

Being 40+ with no sexual history

Getting misread as “immature” when you’re just upbeat/young-at-heart

Bridging different life stages without it feeling transactional

Posting this partly because modern dating is absurdly funny confused.gif
also genuinely curious what others think. Roast me or coach me  console.gif

TL;DR: 40, Male, no sexual history, young vibe. Same-age dating feels complex, early-20s adults feel easier to connect with. How do I avoid the “immature” label and find the right fit for a long-term relationship?
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Your current thinking seems framed only from your own angle. That is exactly the line that separates the immature from the mature.

Let me be the “bad guy” and put some hard questions in front of you: At 40, you say you wish to marry and have children. To raise them until they graduate takes at least 23–24 years. By then, you’ll already be 63 or 64. From the children’s point of view — just as they are ready to experience life for themselves, they may already need to carry the weight of looking after you in old age. If money is not the issue, have you considered that time is the real issue?

If this is the starting point for them, what kind of freedom have you really given? Is it a blessing, or simply a burden passed down? When they go looking for their own partner, will they carry joy, or will they carry the hidden burdens of your choices?

You call your job and finances stable. But stability is never a permanent state. Retrenchment, illness, early retirement… many people face these before even reaching their 50s. What makes you think you’re exempted?

And if you marry someone in her 20s or 30s, don’t forget: when you retire, the main responsibility of raising children will fall on her. Does she truly understand what that means, or will she only discover it when the road is already too steep to turn back? One already retired, the other still working — it’s a mismatch of life phases. These are not comfortable questions. They are reminders that choices today don’t just affect you — they echo 20–30 years ahead, shaping the lives of the next generation.

At the end of the day, if you still decide based only on your own angle, ignoring what your future wife or children may face, that’s also a choice. But remember this: every choice becomes either a warning for others to avoid, or a story for others to follow.

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I don't think you're being completely honest with why you're being labelled as immature. My guess its nothing to do with being "young at heart", but you really being immature.

Otherwise, why would you not be clear about it in the first post but skirt around it?
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post Sep 29 2025, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(Fabrication @ Sep 28 2025, 07:28 PM)
40, male here. Stable job, stable and good income, dated before but no sexual experience. Not a moral stance. it’s just how life unfolded.

Lately I get labeled “immature” because my mindset is pretty youthful.

With women closer to my age (mid-30s to mid-40s), things often feel complicated—everyone’s carrying history and sometimes it drifts into a transactional vibe.

With women a bit younger (mid-20s to mid-30s), I’ve noticed early career success can come with quick character judgments.

With women in their early 20s, I actually find it easier to connect. It’s not about “taking advantage”, I’m looking for a long-term, committed relationship. Being older makes me want to show up steady, respectful, and protective so we can build something simple and good.

Is this just me? Do I need to present myself differently? Any tips from people who’ve navigated:

Being 40+ with no sexual history

Getting misread as “immature” when you’re just upbeat/young-at-heart

Bridging different life stages without it feeling transactional

Posting this partly because modern dating is absurdly funny :confused:
also genuinely curious what others think. Roast me or coach me  console.gif

TL;DR: 40, Male, no sexual history, young vibe. Same-age dating feels complex, early-20s adults feel easier to connect with. How do I avoid the “immature” label and find the right fit for a long-term relationship?
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I also have zero sexual experience. For me I focus solely on my non negotiable before anything else. These are traits that I want in a woman. Without these traits, there is no second look/date no matter how hot she is.

If you are introvert like me, then your only options would be dating app (I recommend CMB but make sure to pay for it) or speed dating or both. I use CMB and found my soon to be wife. Speed dating I went once only cause per session it's like RM150.

Make sure the woman have what you want before continuing. Be firm on this. Go out talk with them.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Sep 29 2025, 05:11 PM
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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Sep 29 2025, 12:35 PM)
TS, i can see that you really mean it when you say that you are young at heart.

unfortunately, as I have told many of my younger female colleagues / friends in the past, no matter how young you look  IC never lie.

your current approach to dating is more suitable for someone who is still in the 20s or early 30s at most.

once you get into your mid 30s and in your case  already 40s, the approach has to change to something more practical, realistic and serous.

if you follow your approach, it will take you some time to really find your partner, settled down and eventually have kids.

by then, you could be already close to 48 to 50 and by the time you retire, your kids are only like 10 to 12

also how old is your partner going to be

if you find a more matured partner, they won't wait for you.

your targets should be female about 10 years younger than you so can still have kids

but only get married if you want kids, else better stay single and go for Sugar baby

good luck TS, don't feel down or suicidal

live your life day by day

what you need to do first is to get laid

and another point, do you really know your sexual orientation and preference

could be one of the reasons keeping you down
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Appreciate the straight talk
I’m young at heart, but I plan practically: time, finances, and family

Age/timeline: I understand the math. I’m open to someone younger, but shared values, health, and mutual readiness matter more than a number

“Just get laid”: Not my approach. I’m not looking for practice or any sugar arrangement. I want intimacy that grows within commitment

Orientation: I’m clear on mine. Having little sexual history isn’t confusion, it’s just how life unfolded. No rush blush.gif

I hear your view. Mine is to choose carefully, act intentionally, and build something that lasts, without compromising my values
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QUOTE(Takudan @ Sep 29 2025, 01:50 PM)
Hi TS, I'm concerned with your thread tag that you're suicidal, but I don't know enough to advise effectively... Specifically speaking, I feel disconnected with gen Z (20s?) and I think I'm very biased against them, so I can't make fair comparisons. For now I'd like to understand your stories first.

Please elaborate on "transactional vibes". What made you think so and how you feeling about those incidents?
On similar note, what made you conclude you were taken advantage of by those in 30s-40s? How does that contrast with those in 20s?

I don't understand quick character judgement part -- who's judging who?

"Do I need to present myself differently?" Depends.
1. Do you hate your current self? If yes, which parts?
2. Imagine dating yourself, what do you think? E.g. ok, funny, or disgust..
3. What kind of partner are you looking for? E.g. if you want a wifey material, club isn't where you'd want to find a girl.

What of you that made others label you immature?

Any young-at-heart examples/description of yourself?
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Thanks for the concern
Quick safety note: I’m not suicidal biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
The tag came from LYN thread context, I’m here for perspective, not crisis help

On “transactional vibes” (mid-30s to mid-40s)
By that I mean dates that feel like a checklist or negotiation instead of two people connecting

Things I’ve run into:
Early focus on income/assets or the “ROI” of a relationship
tick and tact game: If you don’t do X, I won’t do Y
Keeping score or performative caring, instead of genuine curiosity/kindness

On “quick character judgments” (mid-20s to mid-30s)
I’ve been labeled “immature” for having a young vibe (playful, optimistic)
For not having sexual history — some assume that means naive or repressed
I try not to judge that fast, I ask questions before concluding

On early 20 somethings
I’ve often found the tone more open and less cynical

Not saying “20s good, 30s/40s bad”, just my pattern so far lah... sad.gif

Do I hate my current self?
No. I’m content and still growing

Would I date me?
Yes! flex.gif steady, honest, playful
Growth areas: firmer boundaries and shorter explanations.

What I’m looking for
Warm, respectful, low-drama partner who wants long-term and teamwork. (And no, I’m not looking in clubs.)

What gets me labeled “immature”?
Playful humor, idealism, saying no to casual hookups, and being open about my lack of sexual history. That’s me, I’m fine owning it.

Young-at-heart examples
I stay active, keep learning, laugh easily, and prefer simple days over status games, while managing finances, planning, and health well

This post has been edited by Fabrication: Sep 29 2025, 07:20 PM
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QUOTE(nihility @ Sep 29 2025, 02:13 PM)
Your current thinking seems framed only from your own angle. That is exactly the line that separates the immature from the mature.

Let me be the “bad guy” and put some hard questions in front of you: At 40, you say you wish to marry and have children. To raise them until they graduate takes at least 23–24 years. By then, you’ll already be 63 or 64. From the children’s point of view — just as they are ready to experience life for themselves, they may already need to carry the weight of looking after you in old age. If money is not the issue, have you considered that time is the real issue?

If this is the starting point for them, what kind of freedom have you really given? Is it a blessing, or simply a burden passed down? When they go looking for their own partner, will they carry joy, or will they carry the hidden burdens of your choices?

You call your job and finances stable. But stability is never a permanent state. Retrenchment, illness, early retirement… many people face these before even reaching their 50s. What makes you think you’re exempted?

And if you marry someone in her 20s or 30s, don’t forget: when you retire, the main responsibility of raising children will fall on her. Does she truly understand what that means, or will she only discover it when the road is already too steep to turn back? One already retired, the other still working — it’s a mismatch of life phases. These are not comfortable questions. They are reminders that choices today don’t just affect you — they echo 20–30 years ahead, shaping the lives of the next generation.

At the end of the day, if you still decide based only on your own angle, ignoring what your future wife or children may face, that’s also a choice. But remember this: every choice becomes either a warning for others to avoid, or a story for others to follow.
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Thanks for asking the hard questions
Genuinely welcome any blind-spot checks

On time & age
You’re right about the math.
My philosophy is different: raising children isn’t about them taking care of me later. I don’t believe in “养儿防老”
Even with my precious fur daughter (dog), I raise her well because I love her, not expect a return in the future.

On job stability
You’re right about job stability isn’t permanent, I have seen a lot in my career.
My philosophy is different: I’ve been a bit of a workaholic and, being single, I’ve saved aggressively. If I lose my job, I’ll be okay. That said, I still plan for downturns rather than assuming they won’t happen

On “burdening” a younger partner
You’re right about a partner isn’t a life jacket. It’s someone to share life with.
My philosophy is different: We are in different life stages, but my stability gives me flexibility to shoulder more when needed
Eg. I’d actively encourage and support her pursuing her career dreams if that’s important to her
this could be discussed upfront, but having flexibility, I can do more in life to support the unexpected

On being “me-centered”
Point taken.
My philosophy is different: Live my way, keep personality without losing responsibility
I’m young at heart, not casual about consequences. I’d rather be upfront and move intentionally than rush into something romantic now that reads like a warning later. If we were not happy, could not come to an agreement, the trade-offs don’t add up, that simply means we’re not a match, and I’ll walk away

If you spot gaps in this framework, I’m open to concrete tweaks
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Sep 29 2025, 03:30 PM)
I don't think you're being completely honest with why you're being labelled as immature. My guess its nothing to do with being "young at heart", but you really being immature.

Otherwise, why would you not be clear about it in the first post but skirt around it?
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explained in Post #10 biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 29 2025, 04:03 PM)
I also have zero sexual experience. For me I focus solely on my non negotiable before anything else. These are traits that I want in a woman. Without these traits, there is no second look/date no matter how hot she is.

If you are introvert like me, then your only options would be dating app (I recommend CMB but make sure to pay for it) or speed dating or both. I use CMB and found my soon to be wife. Speed dating I went once only cause per session it's like RM150.

Make sure the woman have what you want before continuing. Be firm on this. Go out talk with them.
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Appreciate this and congrats on your soon-to-be wife! rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif

I’m aligned on the non-negotiables approach. Mine are: kindness, honesty, low drama, long-term intent, respect for boundaries, and a sincere, cooperative mindset. If those aren’t there, I walk, no matter how hot she is

CMB tip is helpful! I don’t mind paying
I’ve tried speed dating, but 5 minute speed interview with each girl tend to reward snap judgments over real understanding...
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QUOTE(Fabrication @ Sep 29 2025, 05:39 PM)
Appreciate this and congrats on your soon-to-be wife!  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif

I’m aligned on the non-negotiables approach. Mine are: kindness, honesty, low drama, long-term intent, respect for boundaries, and a sincere, cooperative mindset. If those aren’t there, I walk, no matter how hot she is

CMB tip is helpful! I don’t mind paying
I’ve tried speed dating, but 5 minute speed interview with each girl tend to reward snap judgments over real understanding...
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the key to speed dating is to say Yes to as many girls that you meet. i got friends who met their partner through speed dating
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u're in your 40s and loaded with cash

just go to any online dating site

ask girls out and take them out

go and have fun. It's completely ok to date more than one girl at a time

enjoy your life brows.gif

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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Sep 29 2025, 05:45 PM)
u're in your 40s and loaded with cash

just go to any online dating site

ask girls out and take them out

go and have fun. It's completely ok to date more than one girl at a time

enjoy your life  brows.gif
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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Sep 29 2025, 05:41 PM)
the key to speed dating is to say Yes to as many girls that you meet. i got friends who met their partner through speed dating
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ok, i should probably change my strategy.. blush.gif
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QUOTE(Fabrication @ Sep 29 2025, 05:39 PM)
Appreciate this and congrats on your soon-to-be wife!  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif

I’m aligned on the non-negotiables approach. Mine are: kindness, honesty, low drama, long-term intent, respect for boundaries, and a sincere, cooperative mindset. If those aren’t there, I walk, no matter how hot she is

CMB tip is helpful! I don’t mind paying
I’ve tried speed dating, but 5 minute speed interview with each girl tend to reward snap judgments over real understanding...
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You need to go out with lots of girls. This was what my friend told me. Tell the girl upfront what you want and what you are looking for. It is very unromantic. But it helps to save your time and the girl time.

Then go for cheap place for first date. Ideal place parks, sushi zanmai.

If a girl cannot accept a normal or cheap place, walk away.
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QUOTE(Fabrication @ Sep 29 2025, 05:32 PM)
explained in Post #10  biggrin.gif
If you’re seeing something else, I’m open to specifics
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What I'm seeing, is a lot of projection with little grounding.

You kinda give off the same vibes as this dude:

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Sep 29 2025, 08:10 PM)
What I'm seeing, is a lot of projection with little grounding.

You kinda give off the same vibes as this dude:

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I’m not here to prove myself
I am an engineer, I know what net worth is
If you see something concrete, name the behavior and I’ll address it. Otherwise, let’s skip the projections
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Continue meeting people through the dating apps, you might just find one who has been focused on career and is looking to settle down. Like a forumer above said, discuss what you're looking for before meeting up or at the first date itself to save you the trouble. If both are willing to work on the differences to move forward, you are already on the right path.

All the best and don't give up! You will land one eventually smile.gif

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QUOTE(Fabrication @ Sep 29 2025, 04:59 PM)

Do I hate my current self?
No. I’m content and still growing

Would I date me?
Yes! flex.gif  steady, honest, playful
Growth areas: firmer boundaries and shorter explanations.

What I’m looking for
Warm, respectful, low-drama partner who wants long-term and teamwork. (And no, I’m not looking in clubs.)

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No GFs before?

This post has been edited by Cubalagi: Sep 29 2025, 09:02 PM
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QUOTE(Fabrication @ Sep 29 2025, 05:28 PM)
Thanks for asking the hard questions
Genuinely welcome any blind-spot checks

On time & age
You’re right about the math.
My philosophy is different: raising children isn’t about them taking care of me later. I don’t believe in “养儿防老”
Even with my precious fur daughter (dog), I raise her well because I love her, not expect a return in the future.

On job stability
You’re right about job stability isn’t permanent, I have seen a lot in my career.
My philosophy is different: I’ve been a bit of a workaholic and, being single, I’ve saved aggressively. If I lose my job, I’ll be okay. That said, I still plan for downturns rather than assuming they won’t happen

On “burdening” a younger partner
You’re right about a partner isn’t a life jacket. It’s someone to share life with.
My philosophy is different: We are in different life stages, but my stability gives me flexibility to shoulder more when needed
Eg. I’d actively encourage and support her pursuing her career dreams if that’s important to her
this could be discussed upfront, but having flexibility, I can do more in life to support the unexpected

On being “me-centered”
Point taken.
My philosophy is different: Live my way, keep personality without losing responsibility
I’m young at heart, not casual about consequences. I’d rather be upfront and move intentionally than rush into something romantic now that reads like a warning later. If we were not happy, could not come to an agreement, the trade-offs don’t add up, that simply means we’re not a match, and I’ll walk away

If you spot gaps in this framework, I’m open to concrete tweaks
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Positive so far—it’s just a matter of translating the thought into action.

One more possible hidden setback from the girl’s point of view: if you are already in your 40s, it’s very likely that her parents-in-law will already be quite old. After marriage, the responsibility of caring for them may immediately fall on the wife. This could feel like a contradiction to the very point of not “burdening” a younger partner.

This is a question I think many couples may never have the chance to discuss. Come, let’s see—what is your philosophy in addressing it?
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QUOTE(nihility @ Sep 29 2025, 10:18 PM)
Positive so far—it’s just a matter of translating the thought into action.

One more possible hidden setback from the girl’s point of view: if you are already in your 40s, it’s very likely that her parents-in-law will already be quite old. After marriage, the responsibility of caring for them may immediately fall on the wife. This could feel like a contradiction to the very point of not “burdening” a younger partner.

This is a question I think many couples may never have the chance to discuss. Come, let’s see—what is your philosophy in addressing it?
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QUOTE(Fabrication @ Sep 29 2025, 08:28 PM)
I’m not here to prove myself
I am an engineer, I know what net worth is
If you see something concrete, name the behavior and I’ll address it. Otherwise, let’s skip the projections
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I literally showed you the behavior

Look at how that person is talking, not what he is saying. Especially the last bit.. you're giving off similar vibes. Saying feel good words, without anything backing those words, just feels like empty talk.

Remember, you're the one who said you're being labeled immature. Not idealistic, not fun, but immature. People usually associate youthfulness with fun, and idealism with naivety, but neither of which are typically seen as immature, especially when you seemingly have the mature aspects of adulthood nailed down.

Just like people who call themselves "nice guys" normally aren't really nice guys, saying you're "young at heart" doesn't mean you are. There's something else signalling immaturity to other people.
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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Sep 29 2025, 08:59 PM)
No GFs before?
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Sep 29 2025, 10:29 PM)
I literally showed you the behavior

Look at how that person is talking, not what he is saying. Especially the last bit.. you're giving off similar vibes. Saying feel good words, without anything backing those words, just feels like empty talk.

Remember, you're the one who said you're being labeled immature. Not idealistic, not fun, but immature. People usually associate youthfulness with fun, and idealism with naivety, but neither of which are typically seen as immature, especially when you seemingly have the mature aspects of adulthood nailed down.

Just like people who call themselves "nice guys" normally aren't really nice guys, saying you're "young at heart" doesn't mean you are. There's something else signalling immaturity to other people.
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I’m not here to prove assets/net worth—that’s off-topic

I used their word “immature” because that’s the label I’ve heard—not because I think playfulness = immaturity.

For clarity: I used to over-explain instead of setting short, clear boundaries. That’s why I listed my growth areas as firmer boundaries and shorter explanations. That’s what I’m practicing now.

On “young at heart”: I’m describing temperament (playful/optimistic) plus adult follow-through—not a slogan

If something else reads as immature, please quote the exact line so I can address it

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Oh it took me like 2 years+ to find her ya and it was because I gave her flower (being a paid customer let me gift flower).

If I was not paying customer yeah I won't meet her at all.
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Hi, TS. From what I've read, I get the feeling that you understand life's complexities, but you choose not to dwell on them too much because your philosophy is to keep things simple and remain positive. That makes you young at heart. You don’t hold grudges or take on unnecessary burdens, but you plan and act wisely when needed. You have the brain and body of a man, but the heart of a boy. That’s a precious quality because it isn’t easy to meet men who maintain their youthfulness in middle age.

When it comes to dating, some women will value you exactly as you are, while others may expect you to turn up as a serious man who only does serious talks upfront. In those cases, it’s less about you being “immature” and more about a mismatch in expectations. Some people equate seriousness with age and life experience, so your youthful vibe might not align with them, but that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with you.

The key is finding someone whose energy complements yours, someone who appreciates your optimism and lightness while respecting your steadiness and integrity. You don’t need to change who you are. Just be clear about your intentions early, act consistently, and let your values shine through. That combination usually signals maturity far more than a solemn or overly serious demeanour ever could.

Of course, when it comes to serious talks about commitments like marriage, family, children, and retirement, that’s the time to shift gears, plan carefully, and show your partner that you can balance youthful energy with practical responsibility. thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE(Fabrication @ Sep 29 2025, 10:46 PM)
I’m not here to prove assets/net worth—that’s off-topic

Why are you still stuck on this? laugh.gif Totally missing the point.

I'm asking you to look at that person's behavior, the networth topic is irrelevant.

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I used their word “immature” because that’s the label I’ve heard—not because I think playfulness = immaturity.

I know, that's why they didn't label you fun/playful. They labelled you immature.

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On “young at heart”: I’m describing temperament (playful/optimistic) plus adult follow-through—not a slogan

You said in your first post that you're being labeled immature because you're young at heart.

I'm telling you, that is not why you're being called immature.

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If something else reads as immature, please quote the exact line so I can address it

I can already see why people think you're immature, this quoted line is the perfect example. Can you see the immaturity in it?


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QUOTE(Fabrication @ Sep 29 2025, 10:35 PM)
had 2
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2 Girlfriends before..why still virgin?
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Hey not every guy have sex with their girlfriend ok.
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QUOTE(Fabrication @ Sep 29 2025, 10:25 PM)
parents-in-law = my parents?
sad or good, there is nothing to worry
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Yes, your parent. Every answer is a valid answer—even no answer is still an answer.

The earlier highlights mainly outlined the disadvantages of marrying late and having a large age gap. I believe that for informed decision-making, both the pros and cons must be made known.

That said, having a different opinion does not mean being totally against the idea. Each of us walks a different path. Pointing out the “sinkholes” ahead does not mean the listener must take a detour or that the road cannot be crossed. What the present or past generation could not achieve does not mean the future generation cannot. They may “jump” over, “fly” over, or “float” over the sinkhole.

The most important thing is this: once the potential risks are made known, if we choose that path, we must be accountable for whatever outcome comes our way. The true misery in life lies in making choices without considering the consequences—and in refusing to accept the outcome, even when we knew clearly where that choice would lead.

So, I sincerely wish you the best.
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that's a better scenario if you could appear immature sometimes and loosely goofy cause most people in their later age are stiff as fuck when it comes to personality

bring the aliveness and energy onto the exterior
It's one of the ways for you to be enlightened and flow

no sexual history is fine
because if you truly enjoy your own accompany, girls will want to fuck you it's inevitable

the matter is
when you open this thread
you already pre programmed to be a judgmental person
and nobody wants to associate themselves with a highly judgemental person

It's okay to be self introspective
but over analyzing without taking much actions is pretty senseless

If you want to be success with women
go out and take multiple actions
face your fears, insecurities
and come to a newer conclusion

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Sep 29 2025, 11:14 PM)
Hi, TS. From what I've read, I get the feeling that you understand life's complexities, but you choose not to dwell on them too much because your philosophy is to keep things simple and remain positive. That makes you young at heart. You don’t hold grudges or take on unnecessary burdens, but you plan and act wisely when needed. You have the brain and body of a man, but the heart of a boy. That’s a precious quality because it isn’t easy to meet men who maintain their youthfulness in middle age.

When it comes to dating, some women will value you exactly as you are, while others may expect you to turn up as a serious man who only does serious talks upfront. In those cases, it’s less about you being “immature” and more about a mismatch in expectations. Some people equate seriousness with age and life experience, so your youthful vibe might not align with them, but that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with you.

The key is finding someone whose energy complements yours, someone who appreciates your optimism and lightness while respecting your steadiness and integrity. You don’t need to change who you are. Just be clear about your intentions early, act consistently, and let your values shine through. That combination usually signals maturity far more than a solemn or overly serious demeanour ever could.

Of course, when it comes to serious talks about commitments like marriage, family, children, and retirement, that’s the time to shift gears, plan carefully, and show your partner that you can balance youthful energy with practical responsibility.  thumbsup.gif
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Thank you, this really resonates. You captured my intent better than I did: keep life simple and positive, but plan and act wisely when it matters. I appreciate you seeing the “heart of a boy, steadiness of a man” as a strength. That’s just who I am
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Sep 29 2025, 11:17 PM)
Why are you still stuck on this? laugh.gif Totally missing the point.

I'm asking you to look at that person's behavior, the networth topic is irrelevant.
I know, that's why they didn't label you fun/playful. They labelled you immature.
You said in your first post that you're being labeled immature because you're young at heart.

I'm telling you, that is not why you're being called immature.
I can already see why people think you're immature, this quoted line is the perfect example. Can you see the immaturity in it?
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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Sep 29 2025, 11:32 PM)
2 Girlfriends before..why still virgin?
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Just like bro Ramjade mentioned
Some girls are religious and I respected that
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QUOTE(-mystery- @ Sep 30 2025, 10:52 AM)
that's a better scenario if you could appear immature sometimes and loosely goofy cause most people in their later age are stiff as fuck when it comes to personality

bring the aliveness and energy onto the exterior
It's one of the ways for you to be enlightened and flow

no sexual history is fine
because if you truly enjoy your own accompany, girls will want to fuck you it's inevitable

the matter is
when you open this thread
you already pre programmed to be a judgmental person
and nobody wants to associate themselves with a highly judgemental person

It's okay to be self introspective
but over analyzing without taking much actions is pretty senseless

If you want to be success with women
go out and take multiple actions
face your fears, insecurities
and come to a newer conclusion
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Appreciate the encouragement
I opened this to check my blind spots and get grounded feedback. I’m taking action, keeping the vibe light, and staying clear about my intentions. Here’s to meeting my “her” when the fit and timing are right
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QUOTE(Fabrication @ Sep 30 2025, 05:53 PM)
ok, i do over-explain thing sometimes
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That's not the issue, its a small part of an issue but if you fix your core problems it will no longer be an issue.

QUOTE(Fabrication @ Sep 30 2025, 06:02 PM)
I opened this to check my blind spots and get grounded feedback. I’m taking action, keeping the vibe light, and staying clear about my intentions. Here’s to meeting my “her” when the fit and timing are right
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So far, I'm the only one who's actually highlighting your blind spots, but you refuse to address it. Its as though you cannot accept/see yourself in a negative light, you need to somehow put a positive spin on it e.g. "I'm not immature, I'm young at heart" or "i do <negative thing> sometimes". Just like that guy in the video I linked.

I even point blank, quoted your sentence and pointed that the immaturity is apparent in the sentence; asked you if you could see it, and you completely ignored it and chose to deflect with "I over-explain sometimes" which had nothing to do with what I asked you.

Do you see the problem?
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QUOTE(Fabrication @ Sep 30 2025, 05:55 PM)
Just like bro Ramjade mentioned
Some girls are religious and I respected that
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So these ex gfs are religious.

Snce u say its them, then I can say that you are not very and are more open to premarital sex?

Next question: How long ago was the relationship with the last gf?


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Ok, lemme analyse in quote for clarity. Btw, you can multi quote and reply in 1 post instead of spamming many in a row.

QUOTE(Fabrication @ Sep 29 2025, 04:59 PM)
On “transactional vibes” (mid-30s to mid-40s)
By that I mean dates that feel like a checklist or negotiation instead of two people connecting
I don't see anything wrong with a checklist, especially in the older dating landscape. Time is a much more valuable resource as you age.

Example of a single person at different age:

Young
⬆️ Energy
⬆️ Time
⬇️ Money/Resources
Lots of energy to explore and do a lot of everything. Lots of time to spare as you explore and have less commitments.

Old (retired)
⬇️ Energy
⬆️ Time
⬆️ Money/Resources
You earned a lot. Probably lonely because parents gone, some friends gone or sick, some with families. You have a lot of time to waste, but not so much energy to go far for long.

Middle
⬆️ Energy
⬇️ Time
⬆️ Money/Resources
Career is your main focus as you work harder to rise or even stay afloat. Aging parents may require your commitment. You have strong long term bonds with some friends, there's a lot of socialising to do... If only you have time.

This is where the 30s-40s ladies are. They have no time for incompatible men and/or incompetent bums. It's no wonder they go straight for the portfolio like a job interview, crossing out candidates who missed the mark. Some people have longer checklists than others, so they end up where they are: single until middle/old age. For me, I strongly advocate having a small but uncompromising checklist e.g. desire for kids, (non-) smoking, (non-) gambling, harmonious/functional family... The idea is to have a good foundation so you don't have to waste your own precious time trying to change someone you can't accept as-is, while embracing his/her potential for the future.

How are you judging your candidates? You've only focused on the reasons you're rejected, but I'm curious to hear why you reject others.

On a similar note, I'd like to see your dating profile to see how you're projecting yourself, if you don't mind. Please redact personal details and cover your neck and upwards for your own security/privacy.

To be clear, it doesn't have to be a "badmouthing session". We're all humans with quirks and flaws, some quirks are cute to some while others may find them annoying.

QUOTE(Fabrication @ Sep 29 2025, 04:59 PM)
Things I’ve run into:
Early focus on income/assets or the “ROI” of a relationship
tick and tact game: If you don’t do X, I won’t do Y
Keeping score or performative caring, instead of genuine curiosity/kindness
Continuing from above, those 30s-40s ladies are generally people also looking to build long term relationships. Let's not kid ourselves: nobody wants to take care of a dead weight. So more often than not, people want to see what you can offer to a relationship.

Some "tick and tact game" I think are normal could be:
If you don't cook and won't wash, then why expect me to do both? Maybe it works if you'll wash the toilet or do some other chores..

My point is, a healthy relationship is fair. Both parties give and take in a way they're happy and feel reciprocated. It's never a strict 50/50 in every aspect and each couple will find their way to fit each other like a jigsaw puzzle with jagged edges.

I don't disagree with your idea of curiosity and kindness, but I would find it shallow and idealistic if you expect only that and no reciprocation. For example, I would diss women who expect men to pay all the time. I would also diss men who expect women to cook and do all the chores. In modern society, both genders work and earn so it's fair to say both must contribute monetarily.

What do you really expect, if not reciprocation? You want to always give? Or always take?

QUOTE(Fabrication @ Sep 29 2025, 04:59 PM)
On “quick character judgments” (mid-20s to mid-30s)
I’ve been labeled “immature” for having a young vibe (playful, optimistic)
For not having sexual history — some assume that means naive or repressed
I try not to judge that fast, I ask questions before concluding
I find it strange someone would judge you for not having sexual history. Who told you these? If it's your circle of friends, I'd re-evaluate them...

Not sure if there's any context behind the labels, for now I don't completely disagree with those statements. I think your notion of a good date or relationship, is idealistic, or one can say, optimistic. I believe in a healthy dose of calculations to keep tabs between couples' "given and taken", in order to keep one's own inner justice in check. So if there's emotions of imbalance, it's a lot easier to identify where that unfairness stems from. I'm sure you've heard of experiments about fairness -- it is in our instinct/nature to demand fairness/equity.

QUOTE(Fabrication @ Sep 29 2025, 04:59 PM)
On early 20 somethings
I’ve often found the tone more open and less cynical
Perhaps the younger ones don't know what they want yet. For example, me in my 20s I used to say looks don't matter. It took me one dating app experience to learn otherwise - picture looked bad but conversation on text was good. My guts said no but I went against it and met him. I was appalled by his unkempt look and even gave him one more chance to confirm my own negativity AND requested him to improve his looks. It wasn't much better, I had to learn to say no to a really kind and quiet person who was clearly into me, it was kinda painful.

Just saying, 30s-40s people probably experienced enough, got hurt enough, some even have their defenses up. The defense mechanism can manifest in their biases or cynicism. They see some familiar traits of their exes, they immediately correlate to some bad past events and cross things out.

You must have some battle scars yourself, so I wonder what's your defenses... For now, I see you're quite focused on deflecting "accusations" or labels against you. That may hinder your ability to self introspect.

QUOTE(Fabrication @ Sep 29 2025, 04:59 PM)
steady, honest, playful
Growth areas: firmer boundaries and shorter explanations.

What I’m looking for
Warm, respectful, low-drama partner who wants long-term and teamwork. (And no, I’m not looking in clubs.)
Are these in your dating profile? Curious biggrin.gif

Now, I'm not sure how much thoughts you put into it; I'd suggest maybe take a 3rd person view of your whole day on a weekday and weekend, from day to night. Evaluate your own emotions, reactions and actions to the events. E.g. what if you spilled your coffee? Broke a plate?
Change perspective: What if your partner did those instead?

For example, my cleanliness standard is higher than my bf and I noticed some mess he left at home. In time I developed a bias and would often jump to conclusions whenever I see some mess, "Aish again". Eventually we had a big argument and he made me realise that bias I had, so now I learn to withhold that bias and point less fingers, meanwhile he tries to clean up after himself a bit more.

QUOTE(Fabrication @ Sep 29 2025, 04:59 PM)
What gets me labeled “immature”?
Playful humor, idealism, saying no to casual hookups, and being open about my lack of sexual history. That’s me, I’m fine owning it.

Young-at-heart examples
I stay active, keep learning, laugh easily, and prefer simple days over status games, while managing finances, planning, and health well
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Tbh some of your description of these 2 traits don't match the stereotypes in my head. In those context, immaturity to me is:
- bad finances like YOLO
- bad planning
- casual hookups
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I do checklist too.
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Perhaps you can tell us what went wrong with your previous relationships so we can better evaluate and help you? Do you have trouble showing your vulnerable side because everything you say seems to be "massaged" like you're writing a company resume. Just an observation.
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QUOTE(Fabrication @ Sep 28 2025, 07:28 PM)
40, male here. Stable job, stable and good income, dated before but no sexual experience. Not a moral stance. it’s just how life unfolded.
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if I follow reddit women standard, your first paragraph already answered why you are single. I dunno about the standard in Malaysia though.
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For 40, please stop thinking about married n baby as you do not want to work until you forget wake up!

My advice for you is just spend your time n money with under 21 female.

Enjoy!
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QUOTE(w19 @ Oct 4 2025, 02:18 AM)
For 40, please stop thinking about married n baby as you do not want to work until you forget wake up!

My advice for you is just spend your time n money with under 21 female.

Enjoy!
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Where to find these under 21 females who want to hang out with 40 yo guys?
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Where to find these under 21 females who want to hang out with 40 yo guys?
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A lot!

Important you must have money + power.

1. Male 50 (Uncle Ex Minister of Health), Female 18.
2. Male 57 (CTO in listed company), Female 40.
3. Male 49 (HOD), Female 35.
4. Male 51 (HOD), Female 35.

As our friend is 40, to get 21 years old gf I don't think is hard.

To make sure 101% happen!
1. Money
2. Gym
3. Flower + Sweet Talk
4. Flash car
5. Flash house

With 1 to 5 n not happen, please let me know. I let my daughter married him.



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QUOTE(Takudan @ Oct 2 2025, 01:47 AM)
Tbh some of your description of these 2 traits don't match the stereotypes in my head. In those context, immaturity to me is:
- bad finances like YOLO
- bad planning
- casual hookups
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or not taking accountability, cannot admit they're wrong, etc.

He already exhibited that behavior in his first post, and confirmed it several times


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QUOTE(Fabrication @ Sep 30 2025, 05:55 PM)
Just like bro Ramjade mentioned
Some girls are religious and I respected that
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Bro, you have my respect if you are virgin + true from heart want to keep it for your future wife!

I know another girl who are virgin also at the age of 42, did you want to know her please?

On other hand, her plan is married and look for someone willing to spend on her. (Family with firearm, no joke.)

She not looking AA type of guy.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 29 2025, 04:03 PM)
I also have zero sexual experience. For me I focus solely on my non negotiable before anything else. These are traits that I want in a woman. Without these traits, there is no second look/date no matter how hot she is.

If you are introvert like me, then your only options would be dating app (I recommend CMB but make sure to pay for it) or speed dating or both. I use CMB and found my soon to be wife. Speed dating I went once only cause per session it's like RM150.

Make sure the woman have what you want before continuing. Be firm on this. Go out talk with them.
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Bro, last time you say you have STD, now you are virgin!

You are "JOKER"!!!!
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Bro, last time you say you have STD, now you are virgin!

You are "JOKER"!!!!
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I never say anything about STD. That's mystery. You got the wrong user.

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Oct 5 2025, 03:26 AM)
or not taking accountability, cannot admit they're wrong, etc.

He already exhibited that behavior in his first post, and confirmed it several times
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Well, a childish person wouldn't know they're childish themselves, because the realisation would allow changes to happen.

For TS case, I don't wanna jump to conclusions first lol cuz I feel there's more to find out like his personal experiences.

Anyhow, I think it is easier to explain clearly to TS, or at least I find your replies a bit too abstract la. After all, he is asking for blind spots evaluation so whatever we say may be a blind spot itself. Hopefully TS will process my essay so that we can continue.
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Immature == unrealistic expectations?

What I’m looking for
A long-term, committed relationship aimed at eventually settling into family, built on kindness, laughter, and sharing everyday moments. No rush. What matters is mutual respect, clear communication, and showing up for each other in life’s big and small moments

What I’m looking for
Warm, respectful, low-drama partner who wants long-term and teamwork. (And no, I’m not looking in clubs.)

If plan to hv family aka kids, big chunk of women above 35yo are not suitable

If looking for low drama partner, lady below 28yo that still hv dream knight might not suitable

You might want looking for lady btw 28 to 35 who eager to get married and hv more realistic expectations on spouse. Those ladies likely hv multiple relationship before and come with emotional baggage. U would need to expect comparison with their ex is norm

Btw, engineer social circled are quite limited. Most engineers hv career and money but lacks of time. Would joining more social events help to get more potential leads?
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QUOTE(Fabrication @ Sep 29 2025, 10:46 PM)
I’m not here to prove assets/net worth—that’s off-topic

I used their word “immature” because that’s the label I’ve heard—not because I think playfulness = immaturity.

For clarity: I used to over-explain instead of setting short, clear boundaries. That’s why I listed my growth areas as firmer boundaries and shorter explanations. That’s what I’m practicing now.

On “young at heart”: I’m describing temperament (playful/optimistic) plus adult follow-through—not a slogan

If something else reads as immature, please quote the exact line so I can address it
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Oct 5 2025, 03:26 AM)
or not taking accountability, cannot admit they're wrong, etc.

He already exhibited that behavior in his first post, and confirmed it several times
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TS listen to the hawk. He is like always right in these matters.

My advice is just go date more, serious or not. You will need all the experience and skills when u actually found the right one, then you won’t stutter or be clueless. Courtship is a skill not pure vibes shown on TV. Either you know or don’t when you are in the game.

Also, you have many problems with your pattern. As pointed out by others
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post Oct 6 2025, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(Takudan @ Oct 5 2025, 05:17 PM)
Anyhow, I think it is easier to explain clearly to TS, or at least I find your replies a bit too abstract la. After all, he is asking for blind spots evaluation so whatever we say may be a blind spot itself. Hopefully TS will process my essay so that we can continue.
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If you have a blind spot, and I point our the blind spot to you, but you refuse to see it and act like that spot doesn't even exist and change the topic.. is it still a blind spot?

TS likely has another condition he may not be aware of, and I suspect he has it.

QUOTE(Chobits @ Oct 6 2025, 09:23 AM)
TS listen to the hawk. He is like always right in these matters.
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Thanks for the vote of confidence laugh.gif
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post Oct 12 2025, 07:39 PM

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Nice. Come I date u. I need tips to be young at heart.

 

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