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post Jul 4 2025, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Jul 4 2025, 06:01 PM)
Machem My condo residences lar, manytau  bisink complen saja why pak guard tak cukup??? Every year i gip 2 option budget owners pilih u mao more guards, boleh, satu rumah maintenance fee rm480 sebulan.

Mao maintain sekarang, maint fee sama saja. Topkek every single year present, tara ssorang pun mao angkat tangan tambah guard naik maintenance fee….
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post this at your condo

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post Jul 4 2025, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(quintesson @ Jul 4 2025, 06:00 PM)
I think we are indeed short of doctors but KKM do not have enough budget to employ more.
Our Healthcare is basically bleeding money every year. Every patient seen is losing money to KKM the charges not only not enough to cover doctor salary moreover with medication somemore.
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The money to pay KKM doctors and nurses salary doesn't not come from KKM budget la.
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post Jul 4 2025, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(oM41GoD_ @ Jul 4 2025, 07:15 PM)
The money to pay KKM doctors and nurses salary doesn't not come from KKM budget la.
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Yes — in Malaysia, the salaries for government doctors, nurses, and other healthcare staff are paid from the annual budget allocated to the Ministry of Health Malaysia (Kementerian Kesihatan Malaysia, KKM).

Here’s how it works in brief:

✅ KKM’s annual budget is approved under the Belanjawan Negara (National Budget) by the Ministry of Finance and Parliament.
✅ Part of this budget goes to Emolumen (emoluments), which covers salaries, allowances, and other benefits for permanent and contract staff (including doctors, nurses, medical assistants, pharmacists, etc).
✅ Other parts of KKM’s budget cover things like hospital maintenance, medicines, equipment, public health programmes, and development projects.

So yes — government doctors and nurses are directly paid from the KKM allocation under the federal government’s operating budget.
If you’d like, I can help break down the latest figures (like how much of KKM’s budget goes to salaries vs. other expenses). Would you like that?
SUSnasiputih
post Jul 4 2025, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(Blackops981 @ Jul 4 2025, 02:14 PM)
You know, during the last meeting with the hospital higher ups to discuss the ongoing manpower shortage at the outpatient specialist clinic....

Their solution to the long wait time (>90 mins) was to set a time limit of 5 minutes for each patient.

Lmao as if all our patients are straight-forward cases, some need surgeon consultation, some need outgoing referral or imaging.

Bodo la
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why simple cases need doktor spesialist to prescribe panadol?
get our bomohs to handle simple cases. prescribr panadaul, air kelapa & rambutan
even /k can prescribed panadol berpapan2.

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post Jul 4 2025, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(fongsk @ Jul 4 2025, 05:59 PM)
I think the issue is not paying more.  It is the taxation.  Previously as opposition , they were so against taxation and says Petronas can handle, they stop corruption can pay a lot, etc etc.  now they are governing, they are doing things that they were against in first place or unable to show that corruption is not rampant ie money is not flowing into the government coffers from supposedly less or zero corruption.  Not to mention that we have a travelling salesman who does know how to sell but likes to spin that he is selling billions and trillions …..

Just imagine if this is BN/PN government who announced all these taxes….what do you think the PH guys will say based on their past actions?  Your answer is as good as mine.

Nobody likes to be taken as fools.
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Same thing. One side implement, they other side will come up with attacks and reason not to implement. Both sides same. We as rakyat have to be smart. We know it is not sustainable today. We were not the wiser back then. Just implement.
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post Jul 4 2025, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(nasiputih @ Jul 4 2025, 06:20 PM)
why simple cases need doktor spesialist to prescribe panadol?
get our bomohs to handle simple cases. prescribr panadaul, air kelapa & rambutan
even /k can prescribed panadol berpapan2.
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Good idea boss
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post Jul 4 2025, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Jul 4 2025, 06:20 PM)
Yes — in Malaysia, the salaries for government doctors, nurses, and other healthcare staff are paid from the annual budget allocated to the Ministry of Health Malaysia (Kementerian Kesihatan Malaysia, KKM).

Here’s how it works in brief:

✅ KKM’s annual budget is approved under the Belanjawan Negara (National Budget) by the Ministry of Finance and Parliament.
✅ Part of this budget goes to Emolumen (emoluments), which covers salaries, allowances, and other benefits for permanent and contract staff (including doctors, nurses, medical assistants, pharmacists, etc).
✅ Other parts of KKM’s budget cover things like hospital maintenance, medicines, equipment, public health programmes, and development projects.

So yes — government doctors and nurses are directly paid from the KKM allocation under the federal government’s operating budget.
If you’d like, I can help break down the latest figures (like how much of KKM’s budget goes to salaries vs. other expenses). Would you like that?
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Ini sebab jangan percaya sangat dengan janji-janji manis, nangis-nangis orang atasan KKM.
They can't decide pun.

The big boss ada nangis for our puby healthcare? Dia relax je.
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post Jul 4 2025, 06:35 PM

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As a KKM patient, I defend the nurses and doctors who work there. bruce.gif
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post Jul 4 2025, 06:39 PM

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post Jul 4 2025, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Jul 4 2025, 06:01 PM)
Machem My condo residences lar, manytau  bisink complen saja why pak guard tak cukup??? Every year i gip 2 option budget owners pilih u mao more guards, boleh, satu rumah maintenance fee rm480 sebulan.

Mao maintain sekarang, maint fee sama saja. Topkek every single year present, tara ssorang pun mao angkat tangan tambah guard naik maintenance fee….
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msia ppl logic

orang ambil gaji no need up salary, bcos msia got no inflation...

look at the rural area gaji, still like 20y ago...
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post Jul 4 2025, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(killdavid @ Jul 4 2025, 06:23 PM)
Same thing. One side implement,  they other side will come up with attacks and reason not to implement. Both sides same. We as rakyat have to be smart. We know it is not sustainable today. We were not the wiser back then. Just implement.
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Exactly. I am all for subsidies removal! And provide assistance through whatever name they call. Easy peasy.

And tax? GST. Simple ab transparent. But then due to all the bad vibes given by the then oppo on GST, now they cannot implement and have to go through all sort of rubbish taxes which is more complex to handle and subject to abuse by the lawmakers and private entities, ie more ‘abuses of the system’ if you know what I mean. 😉
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post Jul 4 2025, 07:31 PM

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Just change from singgit to 10 ringgit.

You get 3000 instead of 300 per day.

Can hire a few more loktor.
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post Jul 4 2025, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Jul 4 2025, 12:19 PM)
the problem goes deeper than lack of doctors.

It's the retention problem.

KKM similar to other public service job. The management dominated by old dinosaurs that doing serious gatekeeping, all they want is auto-pilot everything until the day they retire. During the time up to retirement, they shaped the department into such ecosystem where passionate ppl who wished for change get pushed out to private sector. Which is why by natural selection the whole upper management is predominantly the type that like to goyang kaki tak apa attitude do minimal wait retirement.

Those that passionate and work like normal human being rather spend their effort in private sector, at least they get paid accordingly there. And most of all they wont get discriminated.
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Jus like politic, the team remain the same and employing their own ppl own team not for rakyat sake but for their own survival
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post Jul 4 2025, 08:23 PM

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Another billion to jakim
FrostLance
post Jul 4 2025, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(sage61 @ Jul 4 2025, 05:35 PM)
One way to solve is to open more medical schools in MY and increase the medical students intake. Give student bonds to these graduates to work at KKM for 1-5 years as trainee/internship, so that current docs aren't overload. What I noticed here is too many patients but too few doctors, causing them to OT daily which makes them burnout. You also cannot tahan work 18thrs a day, but why force doctors to do the same?

So, just get in more student intakes in medicines, and then we will have more junior docs to cover the night shifts, and let the remaining docs more time off.

The brain drain thing cannot be help already, because MY ringgit too weak. Neighbour SG already can pancing them easily at any time, so no point raising salary. What these docs need is no more OT, and more rest time. So increasing medical students to cover the shortage is the best way for now.
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Penjawatan pon limited lah. Bukak med school banyak no point pon. They will blame overload of doctors but in reality they dont offer jobs pon.

And nothing is stopping them from breaking the bond to work elsewhere, 2 3 bulan work boleh settle already the bond.

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post Jul 5 2025, 06:34 AM

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QUOTE(nasiputih @ Jul 4 2025, 06:20 PM)
why simple cases need doktor spesialist to prescribe panadol?
get our bomohs to handle simple cases. prescribr panadaul, air kelapa & rambutan
even /k can prescribed panadol berpapan2.
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Wtf are u talking about.
Sejak bila need specialist to prescribe pcm? Houseman pon boleh.

This post has been edited by FrostLance: Jul 5 2025, 06:34 AM
SUSnasiputih
post Jul 7 2025, 01:32 AM

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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Jul 5 2025, 06:34 AM)
Wtf are u talking about.
Sejak bila need specialist to prescribe pcm? Houseman pon boleh.
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if houseman pon boleh, then bomohman pon boleh

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