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 Four doctors in clinic to see 300 patients a day

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max_cavalera
post Jul 4 2025, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(oM41GoD_ @ Jul 4 2025, 02:15 PM)
Cukur
4 doctor sudah cukup
Kerajaan banyak berjimat

Kalau boleh, increase the working hours to 24 hours per  doc per day.
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Sure, we can increase 2x 3x more docs, nurse, hospital, medication for kkm singgek. But it is coming out of raykat taxpayers money. Docs can only entertain 50 or less patient a day. Double triple their salaries as well.

Are you okay with 14% or even 18% SST and ron95 rm2.80 to fund the healthcare annual budget?

Either way it is coming out of raykat taxpayer money to fund the universal free healthcare

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post Jul 4 2025, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Jul 4 2025, 04:24 PM)
Sure, we can increase 2x 3x more docs, nurse, hospital, medication for kkm singgek. But it is coming out of raykat taxpayers money. Docs can only entertain 50 or less patient a day. Double triple their salaries as well.

Are you okay with 14% or even 18% SST and ron95 rm2.80 to fund the healthcare annual budget?

Either way it is coming out of raykat taxpayer money to fund the universal free healthcare
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complainer mana pikir masak2, thats why i just let gomen do whatever they want.
on every decision that gomen made, theres always real persons behind the decision.
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post Jul 4 2025, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Jul 4 2025, 04:24 PM)
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High tax & less subsidies to cover the mis-management & songlap?
#ApaMaluBossKu?
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post Jul 4 2025, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Jul 4 2025, 04:24 PM)
Sure, we can increase 2x 3x more docs, nurse, hospital, medication for kkm singgek. But it is coming out of raykat taxpayers money. Docs can only entertain 50 or less patient a day. Double triple their salaries as well.

Are you okay with 14% or even 18% SST and ron95 rm2.80 to fund the healthcare annual budget?

Either way it is coming out of raykat taxpayer money to fund the universal free healthcare
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Generally the government don't even admit there is a critical shortage. So why would they spend money on it?

The current health minister sudah nangis-nangis, banyak janji-janji manis in bajet 2025. No real action pun.

In the end ask u to pakai Ur own EPF money.

Lol
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post Jul 4 2025, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(fongsk @ Jul 4 2025, 12:07 PM)
Okla tu. 

We can fly Palestinians from EGYPT for fast and special treatments, not to mention build hospitals for them.

Malaysians needs?  What is that?
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syabas Kerajaan Madanon BMX !! rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif

PHcais and PHdogs say only B40 troublemakers rely on KKM seringgek, they are T20 or at the very least M40, they no fuck given to KKM seringgek they all got insurance or can afford private.

and since PHcais and PHdogs being true M40/T20, they got hate boner for B40 pipu so they actually secretly celebrating about KKM collapsing.

PHcais and PHdogs say go ahead BMX, build one more hospital at Gaza so that B40 suffer more flex.gif

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post Jul 4 2025, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(zerorating @ Jul 4 2025, 04:42 PM)
complainer mana pikir masak2, thats why i just let gomen do whatever they want.
on every decision that gomen made, theres always real persons behind the decision.
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Very few country have free healthcare. Malaysia need to keep up with time and sustainability models.
Maybe start charging RM 50 flat rate per consultation unless you are registered poverty class. Doctors and nurses need to be paid fair living wage for their expertise

This post has been edited by killdavid: Jul 4 2025, 05:25 PM
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post Jul 4 2025, 05:26 PM

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Budget ke jakim lagi penting
Pmtax can fakoff laa
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post Jul 4 2025, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(killdavid @ Jul 4 2025, 05:25 PM)
Very few country have free healthcare. Malaysia need to keep up with time and sustainability models.
Maybe start charging RM 50 flat rate per consultation unless you are registered poverty class. Doctors and nurses need to be paid fair living wage for their expertise
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Rm50 mahal then swasta already
Charge rm10 per entry much better than rm1
Atleast give big slap to Malaysian to always take care of their own health
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post Jul 4 2025, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(thuwed1732 @ Jul 4 2025, 05:27 PM)
Rm50 mahal then swasta already
Charge rm10 per entry much better than rm1
Atleast give big slap to Malaysian to always take care of their own health
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You go see regular GP clinic already RM50.
This is hospital, with specialists and equipment like x-ray , etc ... RM50 is damn cheap vs other countries
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post Jul 4 2025, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(killdavid @ Jul 4 2025, 05:25 PM)
Very few country have free healthcare. Malaysia need to keep up with time and sustainability models.
Maybe start charging RM 50 flat rate per consultation unless you are registered poverty class. Doctors and nurses need to be paid fair living wage for their expertise
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50 is too much. Maybe 20-30/visit.
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post Jul 4 2025, 05:30 PM

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Blame malaysians unhealthy lifestyle, goreng, sugary sweet stuffs, lazy to walk
U all deserve it
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post Jul 4 2025, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(fongsk @ Jul 4 2025, 05:29 PM)
50 is too much.  Maybe 20-30/visit.
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Also can, just go and see the service they give for prenatal checkups, is very good and I cannot believe its free or rm1. Post natal check free, come to your house summore. Vaccinations for kids free, private 1k +
How to sustain ? Tax people more they complain. Remove subsidies, complain. Only solution is to start charging more.

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post Jul 4 2025, 05:35 PM

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One way to solve is to open more medical schools in MY and increase the medical students intake. Give student bonds to these graduates to work at KKM for 1-5 years as trainee/internship, so that current docs aren't overload. What I noticed here is too many patients but too few doctors, causing them to OT daily which makes them burnout. You also cannot tahan work 18thrs a day, but why force doctors to do the same?

So, just get in more student intakes in medicines, and then we will have more junior docs to cover the night shifts, and let the remaining docs more time off.

The brain drain thing cannot be help already, because MY ringgit too weak. Neighbour SG already can pancing them easily at any time, so no point raising salary. What these docs need is no more OT, and more rest time. So increasing medical students to cover the shortage is the best way for now.
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post Jul 4 2025, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(killdavid @ Jul 4 2025, 05:25 PM)
Very few country have free healthcare. Malaysia need to keep up with time and sustainability models.
Maybe start charging RM 50 flat rate per consultation unless you are registered poverty class. Doctors and nurses need to be paid fair living wage for their expertise
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As much as I like KKM seringgit or five but sadly this is the thing I agreed to increase from existing rate but still lower than private rate for our future healthcare sustainability.
It will soon collapse if we don't do anything to it much like our civil servants pencen.
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post Jul 4 2025, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(sage61 @ Jul 4 2025, 05:35 PM)
One way to solve is to open more medical schools in MY and increase the medical students intake. Give student bonds to these graduates to work at KKM for 1-5 years as trainee/internship, so that current docs aren't overload. What I noticed here is too many patients but too few doctors, causing them to OT daily which makes them burnout. You also cannot tahan work 18thrs a day, but why force doctors to do the same?

So, just get in more student intakes in medicines, and then we will have more junior docs to cover the night shifts, and let the remaining docs more time off.

The brain drain thing cannot be help already, because MY ringgit too weak. Neighbour SG already can pancing them easily at any time, so no point raising salary. What these docs need is no more OT, and more rest time. So increasing medical students to cover the shortage is the best way for now.
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U said tak cukup.
But government said they don't have enough post for new doctors and nurses, that's why they have to offer contract instead of permanent post.

So, cukup or tak cukup?
Or tak mau spend money?
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post Jul 4 2025, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Jul 4 2025, 12:18 PM)
Pipur think gomen budget unlimited to support your personal ideal dream of a more higher standard free universal healthcare?

Bruh, national healthcare and education eats up a huge chunk of malaysian gov budget.

National healthcare is a huge cost centre blackhole for gomen. IT IS NOT A PROFIT MAKING ENTITY unlike PETRONAS

Be realistic. If you earn rm5k a month do you drive a honda civic? Tesla? Bmw?
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/k logic, earn 5k drive Ferrari...
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post Jul 4 2025, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(killdavid @ Jul 4 2025, 05:33 PM)
Also can, just go and see the service they give for prenatal checkups, is very good and I cannot believe its free or rm1. Post natal check free, come to your house summore. Vaccinations for kids free, private 1k +
How to sustain ? Tax people more they complain. Remove subsidies, complain.  Only solution is to start charging more.
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I think the issue is not paying more. It is the taxation. Previously as opposition , they were so against taxation and says Petronas can handle, they stop corruption can pay a lot, etc etc. now they are governing, they are doing things that they were against in first place or unable to show that corruption is not rampant ie money is not flowing into the government coffers from supposedly less or zero corruption. Not to mention that we have a travelling salesman who does know how to sell but likes to spin that he is selling billions and trillions …..

Just imagine if this is BN/PN government who announced all these taxes….what do you think the PH guys will say based on their past actions? Your answer is as good as mine.

Nobody likes to be taken as fools.

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post Jul 4 2025, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(oM41GoD_ @ Jul 4 2025, 05:54 PM)
U said tak cukup.
But government said they don't have enough post for new doctors and nurses, that's why they have to offer contract instead of permanent post.

So, cukup or tak cukup?
Or tak mau spend money?
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I think we are indeed short of doctors and medical staffs but KKM do not have enough budget to employ more.
Our Healthcare is basically bleeding money every year. Every patient seen is losing money to KKM the charges not only not enough to cover doctor salary moreover with medication somemore.

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post Jul 4 2025, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(Azurues @ Jul 4 2025, 01:06 PM)
How do u even solve this?

Like what doctor wants to work here also?
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we need to trainb more bomoh, than religious studies in egypt. this will also supercharge the industri kelapa muda.

QUOTE(Knnbuccb @ Jul 4 2025, 12:12 PM)

write letter of complaint " dr wasnt patient at all, interrupted me when i was telling him how 20 years ago i started to have some headache on and off and after that i saw bomoh and it was cured forever. " .

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post Jul 4 2025, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(cloudwan0 @ Jul 4 2025, 06:58 PM)
/k logic, earn 5k drive Ferrari...
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Machem My condo residences lar, manytau bisink complen saja why pak guard tak cukup??? Every year i gip 2 option budget owners pilih u mao more guards, boleh, satu rumah maintenance fee rm480 sebulan.

Mao maintain sekarang, maint fee sama saja. Topkek every single year present, tara ssorang pun mao angkat tangan tambah guard naik maintenance fee….

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