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TScrystalclearlah
post Jun 11 2025, 09:48 PM, updated 6 months ago

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Hi, does anyone know whether an extension of an employment probation without an official reason stated in writing can be subjected to a payout to the employee? If there is any lawyer who can advise..

Case in point, employer extends the probation verbally at the end of the probation period without a letter stating pass or fail.

Trying to cover all bases before resignation is submitted.

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post Jun 11 2025, 09:56 PM

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If I am not mistaken, probation is not stated in our labour law. So legally speaking, "probational staff" should have the right of permanent staff unless it is stated otherwise in the employment contract. Then again, just because it is stated in the employment clause, it does not mean that it is enforceable legally
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post Jun 11 2025, 10:01 PM

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What verbal reason your boss give?
TScrystalclearlah
post Jun 11 2025, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(knwong @ Jun 11 2025, 10:01 PM)
What verbal reason your boss give?
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Some absolutely funny and weird reasons that are mind boggling that he mentioned it (these are just used as an excuse) and also some reasons like not completing as fast as he likes, but sometimes this require other parties response as well so have to factor in their response time.


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post Jun 11 2025, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(Fantasia @ Jun 11 2025, 09:56 PM)
If I am not mistaken, probation is not stated in our labour law. So legally speaking, "probational staff" should have the right of permanent staff unless it is stated otherwise in the employment contract. Then again, just because it is stated in the employment clause, it does not mean that it is enforceable legally
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In the contract, it is not stated what happens if there is an extension.
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post Jun 11 2025, 10:14 PM

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sorry, you resigned and they said they extended your probation?
TScrystalclearlah
post Jun 11 2025, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(6942nole @ Jun 11 2025, 10:14 PM)
sorry, you resigned and they said they extended your probation?
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No no, I have no mood to contribute further as an employee as a result of this probation extension. Would like to know if there is any money on the table if the employer did not issue a letter for this extension, because there is no letter yet and unsure if they will give.
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post Jun 11 2025, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(crystalclearlah @ Jun 11 2025, 10:13 PM)
In the contract, it is not stated what happens if there is an extension.
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How about the exit clause stated in the contract? Do you need to serve any notice once you tendered resignation?

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post Jun 11 2025, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(crystalclearlah @ Jun 11 2025, 10:08 PM)
Some absolutely funny and weird reasons that are mind boggling that he mentioned it (these are just used as an excuse) and also some reasons like not completing as fast as he likes, but sometimes this require other parties response as well so have to factor in their response time.
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Many work are dependent on other stakeholders. It's common everywhere

Yes you still need to be accountable on the result. What the boss wants is for you to be proactive in chasing others up. Basically you are hired to think of solution, rather than stay nonchalant or complaining about it

Basically the extension of probation is for you to demonstrate you can trusted and reliable when being handed those tasks again
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post Jun 11 2025, 10:54 PM

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It is normal to be rejected from employment, what I learn is job opportunity is not always straightforward and meritocratic based, it seem every system can have it’s good or flaws, however take it as a learning process, of course management is always acting like a judge giving verdict, they’re also under pressure to make a wise decision. But I think many guys are not ready to face rejection.
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post Jun 11 2025, 10:55 PM

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Extension of probation period happens. It doesn’t need to be explicitly mentioned in contract. If company wants to retain you they would have turned you to perma staff since the notice period would increase as well instead of the 2 weeks probation notice or what’s in your contract.

If you think you can’t gel with the company / boss, why not just find a new job now?

Anyway if you stay, you don’t get the support and already starting on the wrong foot.

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post Jun 11 2025, 11:11 PM

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Extension of probation only means 2 things: you dont meet expectations or your boss dont like you. Either way, its not good for you. So you must be open to find out where you fail and learn from it.

No one in this world want to lose good employees. So if he/she is good, for sure they will confirm them as permanent employee asap, some even have early confirmation. Just ask yourself, if you have a good employee, wouldnt you do the same too?
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post Jun 11 2025, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(knwong @ Jun 11 2025, 10:30 PM)
Many work are dependent on other stakeholders. It's common everywhere

Yes you still need to be accountable on the result. What the boss wants is for you to be proactive in chasing others up. Basically you are hired to think of solution, rather than stay nonchalant or complaining about it

Basically the extension of probation is for you to demonstrate you can trusted and reliable when being handed those tasks again
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Alright point taken, I do follow-up, but it will take some time because many things to handle, maybe every few days or sometimes a week apart biggrin.gif

I'm a do-er and if I see something not right or something that needs to be improved, I will feel compel to do it.

Anyways, like the poster above said, I don't get the support anymore and he supports my subordinates for the most ridiculous reasons.
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post Jun 11 2025, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(ry8128 @ Jun 11 2025, 11:11 PM)
Extension of probation only means 2 things: you dont meet expectations or your boss dont like you. Either way, its not good for you. So you must be open to find out where you fail and learn from it.

No one in this world want to lose good employees. So if he/she is good, for sure they will confirm them as permanent employee asap, some even have early confirmation. Just ask yourself, if you have a good employee, wouldnt you do the same too?
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I know that, thank you for confirming for me, again.
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post Jun 11 2025, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(Fantasia @ Jun 11 2025, 10:27 PM)
How about the exit clause stated in the contract? Do you need to serve any notice once you tendered resignation?
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2 weeks notice. Is it legal if there is no official letter of extension?
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post Jun 12 2025, 12:20 AM

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it works in your favour when the lines are blurred now. technically for good order, notice has to be in writing and conveyed properly, if that requirement isnt fulfilled, it could mean 2 things:-

the employer couldnt care less on how you felt, and is totally fine with you calling it quits;

or the employer was secretly hoping this would piss you off, so you overreact by doing shits you would end up regretting, tryna prove a point.

Words of advise, continue trolling, make them fire you, and take them to court for unlawful dismissal
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post Jun 12 2025, 08:38 AM

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When such things happened, it's best to find another job already

Sometimes, it's a mismatch between the employee and the new boss. I have known ppl whom i have worked with before applying elsewhere and i found out their probation been extended too. But not all la...just a few.

When you work with them, they are actually efficient.

There is a certainly a mismatch between their style and the new boss.

But I can't say it applies to all cases.

Sometimes, the probationer employee is really an underperformer, to which I have seen it before too.
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post Jun 12 2025, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(benzxzx @ Jun 12 2025, 12:20 AM)
Words of advise, continue trolling, make them fire you, and take them to court for unlawful dismissal
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That’s just doing out of spite.

TS should retrospect and understand what can be done differently. Sometimes it’s not your fault but how can you manage your boss expectations as well. Keep him updated/put him in the loop/let him know the road blocks. Attitude in the team also important because would like to see team dynamics.

Will waste both time if the direction of the company is to fire him.
And there’s no unlawful dismissal if they just do some evaluation and within span of time no improvement (any proof can be found. Everyone makes mistakes)

But good luck… Hope find a job / company that TS can thrive in.

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post Jun 12 2025, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(crystalclearlah @ Jun 11 2025, 11:32 PM)
2 weeks notice. Is it legal if there is no official letter of extension?
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To what is being practiced, extension has no limit.
so just hope TS got a new job offer.
At the moment, just chill at work... do the bare minimum...
As long as the company have no strong reason to terminate you.
underperformance needs to be justified, but if TS stays long, also pain...
No bonus & no increment.

 

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