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Yukirin
post Nov 30 2007, 10:05 AM

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Ok girls, I found a topic which is quite disturbing in my point of view but I think I should share with all of you here since here is a free chat thread. Anyway, here it is,

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Canada chides Japan on sex slaves

Canada's parliament has unanimously passed a motion calling on Japan to apologise for forcing some 200,000 women to serve as wartime sex slaves.

The motion sponsor, opposition MP Olivia Chow, said the episode constituted "crimes against humanity".

The women affected were mainly Chinese, Korean, and Filipina, but other nations have demanded Japan apologise.

In 1993 Japan issued an official apology over so-called "comfort women", but parliament never approved it.

Former Prime Minister Shinzo Abe caused uproar earlier this year when he said there was no proof of state involvement - a statement he later played down.

'Formal and sincere'

The symbolic, non-binding Canadian motion calls on Japan to "take full responsibility for the involvement of the Japanese Imperial Forces in the system of forced prostitution".

It must offer "a formal and sincere apology expressed in the Diet to all of those who were victims".

Japan said it regretted the vote, and it would not help bilateral relations.

Similar motions have been adopted in the US and the Netherlands.

Speaking to the AFP news agency after the vote, Ms Chow said: "For me, this isn't crimes against 200,000 women. It's crimes against humanity and all of the world's citizens have a responsibility to speak out against it."

"Fifteen-year-old young girls were subjected to torture and raped by countless men for weeks, months and years on end," she added.

Old wounds

The comfort women were forced into brothels for Japanese soldiers in the 1930s and during World War II.

Japan's failure to apologise and issue official compensation remains an irritant in relations with the nations affected.

In South Korea, surviving "comfort women" still demonstrate every Wednesday outside the Japanese embassy in Seoul. Many did not reveal their involvement for decades out of a sense of shame.

Japan set up a private compensation fund in 1995 as a way of offering recompense without officially acknowledging wrong.

But many women have rejected the offer, saying it should come from the government itself.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/asia...fic/7118249.stm

Published: 2007/11/29 02:55:48 GMT

(C) BBC MMVII


This issue was first twitch the whole world when the Japan PM give the following Statement at March this year

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I really don't know what to say....speechless. What do all the fellow girls think ?

If you view the BBC News website, there's lot more source on this issue. The case was first brought to court on March 2003 (which is 5 year ago from now) by all the victims. Here's the SOS

I guess old scar wounds don't heal overtime eh


edit: Added more SOS, Anyway if this is inappropriate for this thread PLEASE LET ME KNOW. I WILL REMOVE IT.

This post has been edited by Yukirin: Nov 30 2007, 04:16 PM
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post Nov 30 2007, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(sense_less143 @ Nov 28 2007, 06:55 PM)
today me n my friends started talking about ghost stories.. scary. Personally I encountered something 'unexplainable' before, but it's very mild. Anybody here have real life encounter with *gulp*?

(p/s- nobody superstitious anymore la nowadays.. i think only chinese ppl still believe 4 is bad n 8 is good. as for 13, i think it's a pretty number, and fridays are holy for me biggrin.gif)
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few week ago when i was alone in the mid dark room using computer, i know something was behind me mostly spirits, so i just leave it alone when they make sound more like a female sound, out of suden i feel someone was blowing wind into my left ear and i turn back immediately and saw nothing, i begin to have goosebump all over my body, but as normal i just pretend nothing, then the second time around my right ear get blow shocking.gif, all i do is just pretend nothing happen lol happy.gif
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post Dec 1 2007, 02:28 AM

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QUOTE(Yukirin @ Nov 30 2007, 10:05 AM)
Ok girls, I found a topic which is quite disturbing in my point of view but I think I should share with all of you here since here is a free chat thread. Anyway, here it is,
This issue was first twitch the whole world when the Japan PM give the following Statement at March this year

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

I really don't know what to say....speechless. What do all the fellow girls think ?

If you view the BBC News website, there's lot more source on this issue. The case was first brought to court on March 2003 (which is 5 year ago from now) by all the victims. Here's the SOS

I guess old scar wounds don't heal overtime eh


edit: Added more SOS, Anyway if this is inappropriate for this thread PLEASE LET ME KNOW. I WILL REMOVE IT. 
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no, I think it's a good subject to discuss, thanks smile.gif

personally I haven't been following this case. Generally I don't read about anything related to rape at all; it's too hyped up. I mean, it's good that the story's there for people to know, but it makes me feel powerless, and I dont like that sad.gif

my only view is that Japan is a very male-oriented society. when I was there, in the classroom, and they were voting for class president and sub-president, everybody assumed that the leader would be a guy, and the sub would be a girl. I asked them why cant a girl be the president. They just look at me as if they never thought of it before. it's just their mentality.. too much pride, maybe? or just.. I dont know.. the norm for women to be treated as second class?

the funny thing is i told them about malaysia and how girls can be leaders too and whatever (another tidbit; even tho about 70% of teachers are female, the pengetua is ALWAYS male, whichever school you go to), and my mom is a principal as well, and I held some pretty important positions when I was in school, they were like, ooooooooooooooooooooooooo malaysia is soo cool.

Still, not everybody feels that way, tho.
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QUOTE(sexy babes @ Nov 28 2007, 07:40 PM)
hey there! but 4 mostly alot of ppl like it wo..they say its good luck...
yup i encounter ghosts b4..really ghost of coz...infront of my house..wana listen to my story???? huahuahuahua!!!
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please NO! i dont wanna have nightmares LOL! happy.gif
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post Dec 3 2007, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(Yukirin @ Nov 30 2007, 10:05 AM)
Ok girls, I found a topic which is quite disturbing in my point of view but I think I should share with all of you here since here is a free chat thread. Anyway, here it is,
This issue was first twitch the whole world when the Japan PM give the following Statement at March this year

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

I really don't know what to say....speechless. What do all the fellow girls think ?

If you view the BBC News website, there's lot more source on this issue. The case was first brought to court on March 2003 (which is 5 year ago from now) by all the victims. Here's the SOS

I guess old scar wounds don't heal overtime eh


edit: Added more SOS, Anyway if this is inappropriate for this thread PLEASE LET ME KNOW. I WILL REMOVE IT. 
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Like sense_less143, I don't follow the case because to me, it's rather redundant.

Sure, the Japanese have committed the offence during WW2, but it's a war and it every war there will be crime committed, heck the war itself is a crime to humanity. And in every war, your enemies are the heroes of their own country. While the victim thinks that their actions violates them, to the enemy, it may be a right thing to do. They, after all is at war with you, they don't have to think about your well being. If they do, they won't even be attacking your country. It's cruel, every war is cruel.

I think the issue was over-hyped. Sure, they want apologies, but heck what can the apologises do to your life? It makes you feels better? I doubt it. Rape isn't something you can forgive with a mere sorry and monetary refund, it stays in your mind for a very long time. It's so much more productive to move on with your life.

Admit history? What history? History are biased in the winner eyes. Japanese may have lose the war, but in their homeland, they still fought bravely for their emperor, they are still heroes in their country. Why would they even care about you? (Logically, no enemies will give a damn about some unnamed victim they trampled upon).

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post Dec 3 2007, 09:37 AM

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Both of you has made me realize that how true your thought about this issue and this kind of thought is also a form of a person strength. Sharing you view makes people learn more and re-think about a lot of things. Thank you sense_less143 for sharing the knowledge on their society and feyhime for your deep thought.

I better go do my work first before posting. Monday sure got a lot of works. doh.gif

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post Dec 3 2007, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(feyhime @ Dec 3 2007, 09:15 AM)
Like sense_less143, I don't follow the case because to me, it's rather redundant.

Sure, the Japanese have committed the offence during WW2, but it's a war and it every war there will be crime committed, heck the war itself is a crime to humanity. And in every war, your enemies are the heroes of their own country. While the victim thinks that their actions violates them, to the enemy, it may be a right thing to do. They, after all is at war with you, they don't have to think about your well being. If they do, they won't even be attacking your country. It's cruel, every war is cruel.

I think the issue was over-hyped. Sure, they want apologies, but heck what can the apologises do to your life? It makes you feels better? I doubt it. Rape isn't something you can forgive with a mere sorry and monetary refund, it stays in your mind for a very long time. It's so much more productive to move on with your life.

Admit history? What history? History are biased in the winner eyes. Japanese may have lose the war, but in their homeland, they still fought bravely for their emperor, they are still heroes in their country. Why would they even care about you? (Logically, no enemies will give a damn about some unnamed victim they trampled upon).
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Hmm harsh, but I guess that's your view. still, i feel that it'd be better if they apologised. Then the case would go away by itself and not be that big a deal anymore.

on another note, I do feel that wars are cruel, but I think it's necessary for humankind progression as well. I don't like war, but looking back in history, because of war something or other necessary for humans was invented. Like penecilin (that's panadol for you), computers, ect. I cant think of more examples right now, but desperation accelerates technology.

I mean, we're on lowyat right now because of wars (internet was invented in the military btw). Funny how things turn out sometimes.


Added on December 3, 2007, 6:26 pm
QUOTE(Yukirin @ Dec 3 2007, 09:37 AM)

Both of you has made me realize that how true your thought about this issue and this kind of thought is also a form of a person strength. Sharing you view makes people learn more and re-think about a lot of things. Thank you sense_less143 for sharing the knowledge on their society and feyhime for your deep thought.

I better go do my work first before posting. Monday sure got a lot of works.  doh.gif
prove that girls are capable of talking about thing other than boys and makeup lol smile.gif

This post has been edited by sense_less143: Dec 3 2007, 06:26 PM
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post Dec 4 2007, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(sense_less143 @ Dec 3 2007, 06:25 PM)
Hmm harsh, but I guess that's your view. still, i feel that it'd be better if they apologised. Then the case would go away by itself and not be that big a deal anymore.

on another note, I do feel that wars are cruel, but I think it's necessary for humankind progression as well. I don't like war, but looking back in history, because of war something or other necessary for humans was invented. Like penecilin (that's panadol for you), computers, ect. I cant think of more examples right now, but desperation accelerates technology.

I mean, we're on lowyat right now because of wars (internet was invented in the military btw). Funny how things turn out sometimes.
Ehee the world is harsh XD
The thing is, IF you have been raped, would any apologies helps at all? Because at the end of the day, anyone can claim that they are sincere about it and still not be sincere about it anyway. But meh XD It's their problem and I digress.

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post Dec 4 2007, 04:23 PM

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I try not to continue any topic relating to rapes now. Kinda made me more depress after a stressful work. Ok, new topic.

I've been wondering....Does anyone of you believe human have both "angel/devil" side ? I try not to sound superstitious but in reality I do believe that human have both side no matter how innocent they look. Just the only the matter of time when the right "key" leads the door to open the devil side.


P.S: After a stressful work trying to light up the mood cool.gif then continue to work again

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post Dec 4 2007, 07:43 PM

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QUOTE(Yukirin @ Dec 4 2007, 04:23 PM)
I try not to continue any topic relating to rapes now. Kinda made me more depress after a stressful work. Ok, new topic.

I've been wondering....Does anyone of you believe human have both "angel/devil" side ? I try not to sound superstitious but in reality I do believe that human have both side no matter how innocent they look. Just the only the matter of time when the right "key" leads the door to open the devil side.
P.S: After a stressful work trying to light up the mood  cool.gif then continue to work again
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haha sure smile.gif

well, we're human after all. I don't think we can ever be complete angels/devils, it's just a matter of which side is stronger, I guess. I think I'm about 50-50.. hmm maybe. I look innocent (I mean, I do.. right?) but I've done some pretty horrible things.

Still, if the world is filled with angels, i don't know, it may be a bit too sweet for me. Likewise, if the world filled with devils, it'll be hell haha. We have flaws, and because of that we're unique, and because of that we're beautiful, each and everyone of us.
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QUOTE(Yukirin @ Dec 4 2007, 04:23 PM)
I try not to continue any topic relating to rapes now. Kinda made me more depress after a stressful work. Ok, new topic.

I've been wondering....Does anyone of you believe human have both "angel/devil" side ? I try not to sound superstitious but in reality I do believe that human have both side no matter how innocent they look. Just the only the matter of time when the right "key" leads the door to open the devil side.
P.S: After a stressful work trying to light up the mood  cool.gif then continue to work again
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Well I am sure everyone has their good and bad sides, if not we must all be just angels or devils and not human, no? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Yukirin @ Dec 4 2007, 04:23 PM)
I try not to continue any topic relating to rapes now. Kinda made me more depress after a stressful work. Ok, new topic.

I've been wondering....Does anyone of you believe human have both "angel/devil" side ? I try not to sound superstitious but in reality I do believe that human have both side no matter how innocent they look. Just the only the matter of time when the right "key" leads the door to open the devil side.
P.S: After a stressful work trying to light up the mood  cool.gif then continue to work again
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i believe~!!!!!! rclxm9.gif
sorry.. abit borEd at work... *nite shifts kills the complexion*

but yarhs... i believe that there are the good (angel) and bad (devil)..
it just takes something to trigger the devilish side of that someone...
ppl may seem innocent.. but you will nvr know wat they are thinking/doing when they are aLone...
diff ppl has diff attitudes...

well.. wouldnt it be boring to be angelic all the time anyways...
and even the devilish ones will turn good one day...

just my two cents... =)
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Another interesting point to discuss is what actually constitute good and bad. I mean, if we were raised in a society where killing is okay, that makes it killing=good, doesnt it? Just because we were taught that honesty/bravery/ect is good values doesnt mean that it's good essentially.

Am I making any sense? 0.o
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An act of 'bad-ness' would be one which causes pain/suffering both mentally or physically to another party. This is one which everyone has to avoid.

As for an act of 'goodness', tbh, there isnt any for that should be the norm which constitutes anything outside 'bad'.

At least that's my two cents.

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Well I suppose what borders between good and bad is rather subjective.

But on the general, the bads are what you did to gain something for yourself at the expenses of others (even if it hurts the others tremendously in the process).

While the goods is something you do that will bring good outcomes to yourself and people around you?
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QUOTE(sense_less143 @ Dec 6 2007, 09:36 PM)
Another interesting point to discuss is what actually constitute good and bad. I mean, if we were raised in a society where killing is okay, that makes it killing=good, doesnt it? Just because we were taught that honesty/bravery/ect is good values doesnt mean that it's good essentially.

Am I making any sense? 0.o
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post Dec 7 2007, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(sense_less143 @ Dec 6 2007, 09:36 PM)
Another interesting point to discuss is what actually constitute good and bad. I mean, if we were raised in a society where killing is okay, that makes it killing=good, doesnt it? Just because we were taught that honesty/bravery/ect is good values doesnt mean that it's good essentially.

Am I making any sense? 0.o
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Ahh...someone began to question the teaching of humanity nod.gif .

QUOTE(feyhime @ Dec 7 2007, 10:52 AM)
Well I suppose what borders between good and bad is rather subjective.

But on the general, the bads are what you did to gain something for yourself at the expenses of others (even if it hurts the others tremendously in the process).

While the goods is something you do that will bring good outcomes to yourself and people around you?
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Good points. But with all these thought in mind. Have we ever question the act that we did ourselves ? To generate a win-win solution was not always possible. Therefore, humans tend to curve their "road" to gain what they want, is it not ? Be it at working, business or relationship, nearly everything that we do, always bring results that lead to some loses to other. Think about it.
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QUOTE(Yukirin @ Dec 7 2007, 11:33 AM)
Ahh...someone began to question the teaching of humanity nod.gif .
Good points. But with all these thought in mind. Have we ever question the act that we did ourselves ? To generate a win-win solution was not always possible. Therefore, humans tend to curve their "road" to gain what they want, is it not ? Be it at working, business or relationship, nearly everything that we do, always bring results that lead to some loses to other. Think about it.
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Well obviously it's no possible to always be in a win-win solution but I suppose you can always try to take an option with the less damage dealt. That's the least you can do when you are left with choices that will hurt one way or another. Unless of course if you are a heartless *******/b**** XD laugh.gif

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Yeah, well, for me, anything that ends well, mo matter the means to achieve it, is ok (in sociology we call it teleology.. i think). like, say, by killing a mafia leader it will dissolve a huge group of gangsters who terrorize people, I'd say is justified.

Likewise, I have no problem with people lying and manipulating to achieve a good thing. If a president, say, lies his way to his country's prosperity, well, wouldnt you say the act is justified?

Take note, I didnt say the act itself is ok, it's just 'justified' in the end.

How's everybody's views? It's a pretty interesting topic.


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QUOTE(feyhime @ Dec 7 2007, 10:52 AM)
Well I suppose what borders between good and bad is rather subjective.

But on the general, the bads are what you did to gain something for yourself at the expenses of others (even if it hurts the others tremendously in the process).

While the goods is something you do that will bring good outcomes to yourself and people around you?
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exactly. so if despicable acts, so to speak, is what it takes to achieve the 'goods', then how?

*edited for typo*

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