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 Tnb win against landlord, Tnb win, Flawless victory, fatality

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post Feb 19 2025, 03:24 PM

 
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Feb 19 2025, 03:22 PM)
tnb technician tell me, nowadays they can measure  the taman consumption, if got unusual activity they usually can guess smthg wrong. jus a matter whether they wanna wait or take action immediately
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Now that TNB wins this case, of course they wiil wait until the bill becomes millions and millions ringkek only take action la.
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post Feb 19 2025, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Feb 19 2025, 01:32 PM)
With tnb app, there's no reason for LL to get surprises if he checks diligently.
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That is IF the tenant didn't go "bypass" the meter. You're still screwed if that does happen, and you end up with the bill.
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post Feb 19 2025, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(billyboy @ Feb 19 2025, 08:21 AM)
correct. TNB can only sue the party in which it has signed a contract which is the buyer of the electricity (or the registered meter owner).  If i own a concrete shell, TNB has no business sueing me.  TNB needs to go after the buyer of the electricity (or its counterparty).

executing a change of name is actually quite easy these days.  register at mytnb and can open or close account online.  cool2.gif
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Let's say there are several tenant in a shop house. And 1 of the tenant refused to pay, can TNB threaten to cut off electricity for the whole shop house since it has the same address?
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post Feb 19 2025, 03:26 PM

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I think it about time to limit the amount TNB can claim based on property types to make TNB act fast.

just example
limit TNB can fine RM3k or 6 months of back pay bills for standard house base on whichever lower.

shop should be higher and so on...

TNB claim they doing all those online monitoring things but still way way too slow to act.
They got no incentive to act anyway, so they will surely take their sweet time to detect it
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post Feb 19 2025, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(touristking @ Feb 19 2025, 03:26 PM)
Let's say there are several tenant in a shop house. And 1 of the tenant refused to pay, can TNB threaten to cut off electricity for the whole shop house since it has the same address?
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TNB will only deal with the registered electricity meter name. Its implicit that this meter name has sub-contracted out to the other tenants, and this name has to deal with the sub-contracted accordingly.

TNB cannot cut off other registered names in the same address. its illegal

This post has been edited by billyboy: Feb 19 2025, 03:27 PM
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post Feb 19 2025, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(lj0000 @ Feb 19 2025, 03:12 PM)
If don't pay, tnb won't resume supply. Making you not able to rent out. You still lose
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How about if the owner of the house gets lots of solar panels and batteries to generate electricity?

Go off grid and don't need TNB for electricity?
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post Feb 19 2025, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Feb 19 2025, 02:54 PM)
Read the article, it emphasizes all the cases the tenants open tnb amount under LAndlord name…. Why landlord allow this?
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My point being some others will say that you should change meter to tenants name in your contract signing which wouldn't matter anyway. TNB will chase the landlord because it's easier than chasing tenant. It's your property, you no pay,TNB cut electric and now your property means nothing compared to spend resources tracking the tenant who may or may not pay back. It's always path of least resistance.
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post Feb 19 2025, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Feb 19 2025, 02:10 PM)
TNB: why catch tenant when landlord is right here?
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I mean the why landlord themselves dun wanna catch?
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post Feb 19 2025, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(billyboy @ Feb 19 2025, 04:23 PM)
If TNB goes after shop owner and NOT after the registered meter, then it is an illegal act.

TNB Kedai manager can huff and puff. However if it goes to TNB HQ, the legal department will follow the law.  cool2.gif
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Again, shop owner mungkin no kena bill, but if they don't want to re-open under your account because previous account holder the tenant account got outstanding how? Technically you can't close an account with outstanding unless do write-off. They can just say they're initiating legal with previous account and your account will be opened once that's settled.

I believe Electricity Supply Act got state they must supply to people, but not within how long. Technically they are 'working on it', so hard to push the blame on them. See who can play the waiting game.
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post Feb 19 2025, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(touristking @ Feb 19 2025, 02:31 PM)
If account in the tenant's name, how to check regularly? Unless the account is in the Landlord's name and bill given to LL
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Got TNB app.
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post Feb 19 2025, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(billyboy @ Feb 19 2025, 08:27 AM)
TNB will only deal with the registered electricity meter name. Its implicit that this meter name has sub-contracted out to the other tenants, and this name has to deal with the sub-contracted accordingly.

TNB cannot cut off other registered names in the same address. its illegal
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well, I know of a case whereby they threaten to.

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post Feb 19 2025, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(keybearer @ Feb 19 2025, 03:32 PM)
Again, shop owner mungkin no kena bill, but if they don't want to re-open under your account because previous account holder the tenant account got outstanding how? Technically you can't close an account with outstanding unless do write-off. They can just say they're initiating legal with previous account and your account will be opened once that's settled.

I believe Electricity Supply Act got state they must supply to people, but not within how long. Technically they are 'working on it', so hard to push the blame on them. See who can play the waiting game.
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report the TNB Kedai Manager to TNB HQ. This guy is senior management and has corporate governance background. he should know what TNB must do. Bypass the little napoleon at the shop level.




ALI MUNAWAR BIN HAJI SALIM
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Ali Munawar bin Haji Salim, ACIS (CS) (CGP) has more than 28 years of expertise in corporate secretarial matters, compliance, and governance at Tenaga Nasional Berhad (TNB). He previously held the position of Senior Manager (Corporate Compliance) in Company Secretary's Office of TNB. He serves as Joint Company Secretary for TNB Power Generation Sdn. Bhd., Southern Power Generation Sdn. Bhd., Jimah East Power Sdn. Bhd., and other companies within the TNB Group.
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QUOTE(touristking @ Feb 19 2025, 03:37 PM)
well, I know of a case whereby they threaten to.
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they can huff and puff but legally they have no case.

report them to TNB HQ.
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post Feb 19 2025, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(H4XF4XTOR @ Feb 19 2025, 03:32 PM)
My point being some others will say that you should change meter to tenants name in your contract signing which wouldn't matter anyway. TNB will chase the landlord because it's easier than chasing tenant. It's your property, you no pay,TNB cut electric and now your property means nothing compared to spend resources tracking the tenant who may or may not pay back. It's always path of least resistance.
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Ktard in post #123 already cited recent court case where landlord won against tnb for the exact scenario you described. ( tnb chase landlord and cut because tenant owned meter run away)

The reason why tnb won in these cases cited by the article is because all the cases the account was in the landlord name

This post has been edited by diffyhelman2: Feb 19 2025, 03:42 PM
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QUOTE(Thrust @ Feb 19 2025, 03:36 PM)
Got TNB app.
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Tbf if utility apps can set a threshold limit, once over limit send sms ke , notifications ke then its much useful
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Nvm, cut tnb je and install solar, self generate electricity, no need tnb
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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Feb 19 2025, 03:39 PM)
Nvm, cut tnb je and install solar, self generate electricity, no need tnb
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solar + battery price (in kwh) > TNB supply price (in kwh).....maybe in the future if battery technology improves cool2.gif
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post Feb 19 2025, 03:41 PM

 
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QUOTE(Akaashi @ Feb 19 2025, 03:32 PM)
I mean the why landlord themselves dun wanna catch?
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Maybe they will. But that's another case liao. Important thing is they have to pay TNB now.
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post Feb 19 2025, 03:44 PM

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TNB also must be responsible. Impossible they cannot detect a surge in usage at that area. Should have people to monitor the area everyday.
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post Feb 19 2025, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(billyboy @ Feb 19 2025, 08:38 AM)
they can huff and puff but legally they have no case.

report them to TNB HQ.
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TNB and Sarawak Energy under same law? Or different?

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