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post Feb 19 2025, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(lj0000 @ Feb 19 2025, 02:42 PM)
No use. Tnb still go after the owner
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are you sure ke ?

This argument was raised by the appellant in the case of Thomas Thomas@Mohan a/l K Thomas v Tenaga Nasional Berhad & Ors [2017] MLJU 70 (“Thomas”). The Appellant argued that he should not be held liable as he was not the occupier of the premises and therefore not the consumer of the electricity.

The Court of Appeal in Thomas followed the decision in Tenaga Nasional Bhd v Empayar Canggih Sdn Bhd (previously known as ODVD Manufacturer Sdn Bhd) [2014] 8 MLJ 280, where it was held that it was the registered consumer that was responsible as the power and supply agreement with TNB was in their name.

https://www.thomasphilip.com.my/articles/i-...eter-tampering/
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QUOTE(touristking @ Feb 19 2025, 02:53 PM)
If account in tenant's name, LL still responsible?
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The Court of Appeal in Thomas followed the decision in Tenaga Nasional Bhd v Empayar Canggih Sdn Bhd (previously known as ODVD Manufacturer Sdn Bhd) [2014] 8 MLJ 280, where it was held that it was the registered consumer that was responsible as the power and supply agreement with TNB was in their name.
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post Feb 19 2025, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(ShadowR1 @ Feb 19 2025, 03:00 PM)
Tnb will still go after LL even the meter ownership changes to tenant.
I guess u miss the news regarding bunch of owner pleading tnb to write off the fines when their tenant run away.
Tenant found to curi letrik mine kelipto.
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its illegal to go after LL. need to go after the signatory for the electricity supply. cool2.gif

The Court of Appeal in Thomas followed the decision in Tenaga Nasional Bhd v Empayar Canggih Sdn Bhd (previously known as ODVD Manufacturer Sdn Bhd) [2014] 8 MLJ 280, where it was held that it was the registered consumer that was responsible as the power and supply agreement with TNB was in their name.
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post Feb 19 2025, 03:11 PM

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UPDATE Legal Case - TNB v Chew Thai Kay 2022

TNB cannot go after landlord. Must go after the registered meter owner.

ELECTRICITY SUPPLY

Federal Court (‘FC’): Tenaga Nasional Berhad (‘TNB’) has no power to disconnect electricity supply under section 38(1) of the Electricity Supply Act 1990 (‘ESA’) when there was no continuing offence under section 37 of the ESA

Section 38(1) of the ESA gives TNB, as licensee under the ESA, the power to disconnect electricity supply from premises if a person employed by TNB finds on the premises evidence which gives reasonable grounds for him to believe that an offence has been committed under sections 37(1), (3) or (14) of the ESA.



Issue

Does TNB have the power under section 38(1) of the ESA to disconnect electricity supply from premises when the meter alleged to have been tampered with has been rectified and replaced? This issue confronted the FC in Tenaga Nasional Berhad v Chew Thai Kay & Anor [2022] MLJU 5 (Judgment dated 4.1.2022).



Case summary and decision

TNB inspected its meter installation at premises operating a business of seafood processing on 7.6.2018 and found that there had been tampering of the meter. The meter was then rectified by TNB and replaced, after which TNB continued to supply electricity to the premises. TNB, thereafter, issued a Notice of Disconnection intending to disconnect supply of electricity to the premises on 3.7.2018. In response, the Respondents filed an action against TNB in the High Court (‘HC’) for orders, including that the Notice of Disconnection was unlawful. An application for an interim injunction (‘Interim Injunction’) was also made to prevent TNB from disconnecting the supply of electricity to the premises pending the disposal of the action against TNB. The HC granted the Interim Injunction, which was affirmed by the Court of Appeal. On appeal by TNB to the FC, in a unanimous decision delivered by Azahar Mohamed CJM (Mohd Zawawi, Vernon Ong, Zaleha Yusof and Rhodzariah Bujang FCJJ concurring), the appeal was dismissed. The learned CJM carried out a detailed discussion of the law pre and post the amendment of section 38(1) and came to the conclusion that the amended version under consideration did not alter the law — once a tampered meter had been rectified by TNB and the offence of meter tampering was no longer continuing, TNB had no power to issue the Notice of Disconnection under section 38(1) of the ESA.
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post Feb 19 2025, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(lj0000 @ Feb 19 2025, 03:12 PM)
If don't pay, tnb won't resume supply. Making you not able to rent out. You still lose
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UPDATE Legal Case - TNB v Chew Thai Kay 2022

TNB cannot go after landlord. Must go after the registered meter owner.

ELECTRICITY SUPPLY

Federal Court (‘FC’): Tenaga Nasional Berhad (‘TNB’) has no power to disconnect electricity supply under section 38(1) of the Electricity Supply Act 1990 (‘ESA’) when there was no continuing offence under section 37 of the ESA

Section 38(1) of the ESA gives TNB, as licensee under the ESA, the power to disconnect electricity supply from premises if a person employed by TNB finds on the premises evidence which gives reasonable grounds for him to believe that an offence has been committed under sections 37(1), (3) or (14) of the ESA.



Issue

Does TNB have the power under section 38(1) of the ESA to disconnect electricity supply from premises when the meter alleged to have been tampered with has been rectified and replaced? This issue confronted the FC in Tenaga Nasional Berhad v Chew Thai Kay & Anor [2022] MLJU 5 (Judgment dated 4.1.2022).



Case summary and decision

TNB inspected its meter installation at premises operating a business of seafood processing on 7.6.2018 and found that there had been tampering of the meter. The meter was then rectified by TNB and replaced, after which TNB continued to supply electricity to the premises. TNB, thereafter, issued a Notice of Disconnection intending to disconnect supply of electricity to the premises on 3.7.2018. In response, the Respondents filed an action against TNB in the High Court (‘HC’) for orders, including that the Notice of Disconnection was unlawful. An application for an interim injunction (‘Interim Injunction’) was also made to prevent TNB from disconnecting the supply of electricity to the premises pending the disposal of the action against TNB. The HC granted the Interim Injunction, which was affirmed by the Court of Appeal. On appeal by TNB to the FC, in a unanimous decision delivered by Azahar Mohamed CJM (Mohd Zawawi, Vernon Ong, Zaleha Yusof and Rhodzariah Bujang FCJJ concurring), the appeal was dismissed. The learned CJM carried out a detailed discussion of the law pre and post the amendment of section 38(1) and came to the conclusion that the amended version under consideration did not alter the law — once a tampered meter had been rectified by TNB and the offence of meter tampering was no longer continuing, TNB had no power to issue the Notice of Disconnection under section 38(1) of the ESA.
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post Feb 19 2025, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(touristking @ Feb 19 2025, 03:18 PM)
Quote. It says if meter registered in tenant's name, then responsibility is with the tenant. So LL doesn't get saddled with the unpaid bills?

In the circumstances, it would be advisable for landlords to execute a change of name of the registered consumer, during the tenancy, whereby the tenant becomes the registered consumer and would therefore be liable for any offences committed.


https://www.thomasphilip.com.my/articles/i-...eter-tampering/
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correct. TNB can only sue the party in which it has signed a contract which is the buyer of the electricity (or the registered meter owner). If i own a concrete shell, TNB has no business sueing me. TNB needs to go after the buyer of the electricity (or its counterparty).

executing a change of name is actually quite easy these days. register at mytnb and can open or close account online. cool2.gif
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post Feb 19 2025, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(coyouth @ Feb 19 2025, 03:19 PM)
they stole electricity means it's not going through meter la. you use app also you can't see. adoi...
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need a clamp meter or amp meter biggrin.gif

can see very easily
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post Feb 19 2025, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(keybearer @ Feb 19 2025, 03:21 PM)
For this case Jason punya tenant used fake identification to rent.

If landlord maintain account name, under landlord responsibility to chase tenant for settlement (goodluck). TnB will still bill landlord as account owner, you want chase tenant you punya hal.

If landlord transfer account name to (faked id) tenant, you won't kena chase, but if TnB want the outstanding to be settled first what can you do? Initiate legal, minimum maybe 2 years. In the mean time your unit no electricity confirm cannot rent. After 2 years result maybe kena like this Jason (1.7mil turun to 800k, still fucked).

TnB too stronk in either case.
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If TNB goes after shop owner and NOT after the registered meter, then it is an illegal act.

TNB Kedai manager can huff and puff. However if it goes to TNB HQ, the legal department will follow the law. cool2.gif
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QUOTE(touristking @ Feb 19 2025, 03:26 PM)
Let's say there are several tenant in a shop house. And 1 of the tenant refused to pay, can TNB threaten to cut off electricity for the whole shop house since it has the same address?
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TNB will only deal with the registered electricity meter name. Its implicit that this meter name has sub-contracted out to the other tenants, and this name has to deal with the sub-contracted accordingly.

TNB cannot cut off other registered names in the same address. its illegal

This post has been edited by billyboy: Feb 19 2025, 03:27 PM
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QUOTE(keybearer @ Feb 19 2025, 03:32 PM)
Again, shop owner mungkin no kena bill, but if they don't want to re-open under your account because previous account holder the tenant account got outstanding how? Technically you can't close an account with outstanding unless do write-off. They can just say they're initiating legal with previous account and your account will be opened once that's settled.

I believe Electricity Supply Act got state they must supply to people, but not within how long. Technically they are 'working on it', so hard to push the blame on them. See who can play the waiting game.
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report the TNB Kedai Manager to TNB HQ. This guy is senior management and has corporate governance background. he should know what TNB must do. Bypass the little napoleon at the shop level.




ALI MUNAWAR BIN HAJI SALIM
Company Secretary
Ali Munawar bin Haji Salim, ACIS (CS) (CGP) has more than 28 years of expertise in corporate secretarial matters, compliance, and governance at Tenaga Nasional Berhad (TNB). He previously held the position of Senior Manager (Corporate Compliance) in Company Secretary's Office of TNB. He serves as Joint Company Secretary for TNB Power Generation Sdn. Bhd., Southern Power Generation Sdn. Bhd., Jimah East Power Sdn. Bhd., and other companies within the TNB Group.
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QUOTE(touristking @ Feb 19 2025, 03:37 PM)
well, I know of a case whereby they threaten to.
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they can huff and puff but legally they have no case.

report them to TNB HQ.
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QUOTE(robotking123 @ Feb 19 2025, 03:39 PM)
Nvm, cut tnb je and install solar, self generate electricity, no need tnb
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solar + battery price (in kwh) > TNB supply price (in kwh).....maybe in the future if battery technology improves cool2.gif
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QUOTE(touristking @ Feb 19 2025, 03:45 PM)
TNB and Sarawak Energy under same law? Or different?
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Sarawak Energy and TNB different owner and framework

Sabah Electricity currently under TNB but Sabah Govt negotiating for buyover......
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QUOTE(coyouth @ Feb 19 2025, 03:55 PM)
so it's setting a precedent in telling owners, if you detect electricity theft, do not report police and do not inform tnb. settle it yourselves.
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better shut down the tenant fast if meter is still in landlord's name....
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QUOTE(dwks @ Feb 19 2025, 04:11 PM)
if u tnb, u wanna chase disappeared criminal god who know where now or solid cement building that can’t run away 😂
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TNB behave like gangster or follow law ? cool2.gif
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Malaysia's Federal Court (highest Court in Malaysia) disagree with you cool2.gif

UPDATE Legal Case - TNB v Chew Thai Kay 2022

TNB cannot go after landlord. Must go after the registered meter owner.

ELECTRICITY SUPPLY

Federal Court (‘FC’): Tenaga Nasional Berhad (‘TNB’) has no power to disconnect electricity supply under section 38(1) of the Electricity Supply Act 1990 (‘ESA’) when there was no continuing offence under section 37 of the ESA

Section 38(1) of the ESA gives TNB, as licensee under the ESA, the power to disconnect electricity supply from premises if a person employed by TNB finds on the premises evidence which gives reasonable grounds for him to believe that an offence has been committed under sections 37(1), (3) or (14) of the ESA.



Issue

Does TNB have the power under section 38(1) of the ESA to disconnect electricity supply from premises when the meter alleged to have been tampered with has been rectified and replaced? This issue confronted the FC in Tenaga Nasional Berhad v Chew Thai Kay & Anor [2022] MLJU 5 (Judgment dated 4.1.2022).



Case summary and decision

TNB inspected its meter installation at premises operating a business of seafood processing on 7.6.2018 and found that there had been tampering of the meter. The meter was then rectified by TNB and replaced, after which TNB continued to supply electricity to the premises. TNB, thereafter, issued a Notice of Disconnection intending to disconnect supply of electricity to the premises on 3.7.2018. In response, the Respondents filed an action against TNB in the High Court (‘HC’) for orders, including that the Notice of Disconnection was unlawful. An application for an interim injunction (‘Interim Injunction’) was also made to prevent TNB from disconnecting the supply of electricity to the premises pending the disposal of the action against TNB. The HC granted the Interim Injunction, which was affirmed by the Court of Appeal. On appeal by TNB to the FC, in a unanimous decision delivered by Azahar Mohamed CJM (Mohd Zawawi, Vernon Ong, Zaleha Yusof and Rhodzariah Bujang FCJJ concurring), the appeal was dismissed. The learned CJM carried out a detailed discussion of the law pre and post the amendment of section 38(1) and came to the conclusion that the amended version under consideration did not alter the law — once a tampered meter had been rectified by TNB and the offence of meter tampering was no longer continuing, TNB had no power to issue the Notice of Disconnection under section 38(1) of the ESA.


QUOTE(swanlover @ Feb 19 2025, 04:28 PM)
Even if tnb account under tenant , if mining kaw kaw, owner also have to bear..there is no remedy…

Massive so called ‘IT’ companies out there wants ur prop for mining…ought to be careful..
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QUOTE(hellkvr @ Feb 19 2025, 04:42 PM)
owner liable for everything. thats why u need to check from time to time you property. onwer 50% at fault here. no due diligence to tenant. if me i will ask everything include ctos ccriss
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Malaysia's Federal Court (highest Court in Malaysia) disagree with you cool2.gif

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UPDATE Legal Case - TNB v Chew Thai Kay 2022

TNB cannot go after landlord. Must go after the registered meter owner.

ELECTRICITY SUPPLY

Federal Court (‘FC’): Tenaga Nasional Berhad (‘TNB’) has no power to disconnect electricity supply under section 38(1) of the Electricity Supply Act 1990 (‘ESA’) when there was no continuing offence under section 37 of the ESA

Section 38(1) of the ESA gives TNB, as licensee under the ESA, the power to disconnect electricity supply from premises if a person employed by TNB finds on the premises evidence which gives reasonable grounds for him to believe that an offence has been committed under sections 37(1), (3) or (14) of the ESA.

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Feb 19 2025, 04:42 PM)
my recent case dealing with TNB, boss punya property got a new tenant, boss ask tenant to change TNB meter on their name. TNB side require the tenant to do IC thumb print verification, if anything they will go after the company/company director who did the thumb print verification.
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shouldn't TNB go after the person with the thumb print (who is the signatory to the Electricity Supply contract with TNB)......that why we sign those agreement ? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(lj0000 @ Feb 19 2025, 04:46 PM)
So what happen next? Tnb open new account for the landlord to rent to other people?
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yes. that is a Federal Court decision. not my decision. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(BuKeYi @ Feb 19 2025, 04:47 PM)
This one no choice because still under owner name

Last 2 years I bought a sub-sale house, want to install unifi. The TMNet call and said previous owner didn't pay and it is tied to the address. So I can't apply unless I pay for it, bugimak 2k+ there belum pay (I go and msg the previous owner but he ignored it). End up I go for Maxis Home Fibre...
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service provider front liner will huff and puff.....i believe a letter written to HQ (preferably by a friendly lawyer) will sort it out....but troublesome

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