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skywalker69
post Feb 20 2025, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(fookie @ Feb 20 2025, 01:51 PM)
but how come TNB let it accrue until 1.7mil?

last time when I first started working, my electricity bill no pay for 1 month, 2nd month pink note already come. 3rd month still no pay the fella come and cut my electricity d. reconnect have to wait next working day

i think inside job ni
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it is not accrued because its stolen.

Lets say actual usage is RM100k per month

TNB will just calculate backwards , usually from the month the tenant comes in or where there is change in usage pattern such as sudden drop.
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post Feb 20 2025, 02:12 PM

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Serviced apartment got such risk or not?
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post Feb 20 2025, 03:01 PM

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The defendant lawyer for the group of landlords is quite useless. He doesn't even know how to defend their rights with substantial evidences at hand to instead relay the claims towards the tenant who was the real thief.

I would suggest they should change law firm and find a more experienced one in handling their cases.
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post Feb 20 2025, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Feb 20 2025, 01:47 PM)
This is very silly logic.

If say the public utility pipe and electricity cable that is the property of the utility company is in front of your house. People tap and steal from it, the tenant is held responsible?

Do you even understand what is a demarcation point or demilitarized zone(DMZ) between 2 country borders work?

At one side is TNB's property, the other side of the beyond the meter is the tenant's responsibility.
In this case, the TNB Smart Meter Input and Output serves as the Demarc Point.

If you don't understand go and Google "What Is A Demarc Point".

This one is gas line into residential homes.

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*Only the green line after the demarc point is the responsibility of the property owner.

This case sounds odd. I feel that the law firm which is representing these landlord tenants cases is incompetent and useless when it comes to consumer tribunals. I suggest they should boot him and find a more experienced one in handling their cases since their cases already involved millions.

Nothing to lose to spend a bit more on someone who can handle their cases better.
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This is the best explanation and the correct understanding of this topic.

TNB is passing on their responsibility to landlords.

If TNB cannot monitor an area for spikes in electricity consumption and take the appropriate actions before the stolen electricity balloons to RM 1.7 million, what are they even doing? The people should not be footing the bill for TNB's incompetency.

If tomorrow, a pipe bursts outside a house, should the landlord of the house pay for the water wasted because of the proximity to the burst pipe?


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post Feb 20 2025, 04:16 PM

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Deswai I always say, buy house to stay in, not rent out.
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post Feb 20 2025, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Feb 20 2025, 01:47 PM)
This is very silly logic.

If say the public utility pipe and electricity cable that is the property of the utility company is in front of your house. People tap and steal from it, the tenant is held responsible?

Do you even understand what is a demarcation point or demilitarized zone(DMZ) between 2 country borders work?

At one side is TNB's property, the other side of the beyond the meter is the tenant's responsibility.
In this case, the TNB Smart Meter Input and Output serves as the Demarc Point.

If you don't understand go and Google "What Is A Demarc Point".

This one is gas line into residential homes.

user posted image

*Only the green line after the demarc point is the responsibility of the property owner.

This case sounds odd. I feel that the law firm which is representing these landlord tenants cases is incompetent and useless when it comes to consumer tribunals. I suggest they should boot him and find a more experienced one in handling their cases since their cases already involved millions.

Nothing to lose to spend a bit more on someone who can handle their cases better.
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sounds reasonable

but this case and all similar cases in the past, all TNB won

can't win in Malaysia
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post Feb 21 2025, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(Seawater @ Feb 19 2025, 05:00 PM)
Conclusion is, once detect tenant steal electricity, kick the tenant out, then ask electrician to remove all traces of tempering before rent out again. Since bill never recorded and all proofs are gone, TNB sendiri rugi and cannot find anyone to blame
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correct. tnb has set a precedent. now owners will have to protect themselves since the law doesn't.
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post Feb 21 2025, 01:34 PM

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post Feb 21 2025, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Feb 21 2025, 01:34 PM)

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fuiyo
>check cable tampered
>straight go inside, check pc mining coin
>catch the tenant

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post Feb 21 2025, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Feb 21 2025, 01:34 PM)

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This one is still through the meter right?

So if have smart meter will show up
If the owner landlord can see monthly bill on the app, if it's registered to the landlord's name

Yang kena kaw one is the ones that tampered the meter
That tnb app cannot see the unit usage as well right?
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post Feb 21 2025, 01:58 PM

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post Feb 21 2025, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(nelson969 @ Feb 21 2025, 01:40 PM)
fuiyo
>check cable tampered
>straight go inside, check pc mining coin
>catch the tenant
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tenant got show up meh?
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post Feb 22 2025, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(mcchin @ Feb 21 2025, 01:53 PM)
This one is still through the meter right?

So if have smart meter will show up
If the owner landlord can see monthly bill on the app, if it's registered to the landlord's name

Yang kena kaw one is the ones that tampered the meter
That tnb app cannot see the unit usage as well right?
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The device which hooks unto a live incoming wire called an Ammeter (3 coloured wires means a 3-phase supply) each registering a draw of ~48A each while the TNB smart meter is not recording as much utilization means there's theft before the meter modifications involved.

The unit looks vacant and without activity. It's already suspicious that a vacant unit like that can be consuming that much electricity at one time.

48A per phase 3X48A is like 144A peak. That's already like a large factory.

Smart meters are cannot easily tempered because they're digitized. These thefts tap it from somewhere before going through the customer's meter to get free electricity. It is these cases where the theft taps it before going through the meter that holds TNB responsible instead of the landlord because it's the responsibility of the utility provider to make sure no leaks on their part of the supply before the customer's side of the demarc line(reading meter).

HP to Watts per hour estimation table:

1HP - 2544BTU/hr - 745Watts - 3Amps per unit
1.5HP - 3817BTU/hr - 1119Watts - 4.7Amps per unit
2.5HP - 6361BTU/hr - 1864Watts - 7.8Amps per unit

144A???

Freezer room inside?

This post has been edited by petpenyubobo: Feb 22 2025, 02:12 PM
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post Feb 22 2025, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(paradis3lost @ Feb 20 2025, 04:07 PM)

If tomorrow, a pipe bursts outside a house, should the landlord of the house pay for the water wasted because of the proximity to the burst pipe?
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Burst before meter, syabas rugi, owner no water or low pressure

If burst after meter, then owner problems
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post Feb 24 2025, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Feb 19 2025, 02:58 PM)
How does it works? Can landlord close old tenant's account? Or must wait old tenant to close it themselves? What if they don't close it? Can new tenant still register new account for the premise?
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iinm if the account if on tenants name then next time if he make a house and needs to open account thenthe tenant cannot open ana ccount until he settles the bill...the bill is link with his the tenants name...so theowner can open bnack his account and put back in his house.

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