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grumpydrive
post Nov 2 2024, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 03:04 PM)
Why Sarawak untrustworthy?
Good thing is talents will get university education.
But to blame tree people for living in tree then when they get subsidy, then you dont complaint bcos rich kids already got subsidized uni edu.
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Starting next year no more subsidies liao..for kids of income bracket t15 kah apa tu..

This post has been edited by grumpydrive: Nov 2 2024, 07:10 PM
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post Nov 2 2024, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 02:56 PM)
Congrats!
Org Asli kid did not do well in school won't have chance to enter university.
Rich kids got lots of tuition can enjoy state university

Rich gets rich, poor gets tax and debt.
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i born in a poor family.
i excel all the way in school and after uni...


My parent not that poor.
but they dont manage money well...

in uni time, i still have to skip meal to manage my finance....



Poor is a choice.
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post Nov 2 2024, 07:28 PM

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Annuar and anwar, but they're very different. One bring u forward, one bring u backward like middle east stagnant for 1500 years
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post Nov 2 2024, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Nov 2 2024, 07:15 PM)
i born in a poor family.
i excel all the way in school and after uni...
My parent not that poor.
but they dont manage money well...

in uni time, i still have to skip meal to manage my finance....
Poor is a choice.
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Your parents income when they have u was below RM 500?
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post Nov 2 2024, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(g5sim @ Nov 2 2024, 04:02 PM)
wow wow wow i cant believe i am reading this.  biggrin.gif
All this while the quota based in Malaysia's public uni was good wink.gif
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When I stated, Congrats! means that Congrats to Sarawak leading the way to meritocracy.
With meritocracy, what would become of slow learner - that is the new concern.

Quota based did have some benefits, and today 2024, we see the benefit is limited. As in MY still in middle income, B40 -> B85, budaya rasuah, as you know. That's why PMX have to reform out corruption from system and Sarawak's shift to meritocracy should be celebrated and think-through. Otherwise slow learners will gravitate towards 3R.

QUOTE(sadukarzz @ Nov 2 2024, 04:10 PM)
Provide education for slow learners is entirely okay, if the achievers are prioritized as per the meritocracy. If after priority still got space, why not?
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Agree to some extend, and that extend is "still got space"
All young people should be allowed to take on tertiary education.
If slow learner not good in STEM then intro them to TVET.
When you stated "still got space" means that you treat them as an 'after-thought' like leftovers. This should not be the case.

QUOTE(abc2005 @ Nov 2 2024, 04:18 PM)
erm to be fair, rich get taxed more, poor got bantuan with less tax.
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Yes, rich get taxed more.
Poor get taxed less bcos they cannot afford to spend more.
Poor get more tongkat than rich.
Rich also get tongkat, like drive high power cars get petrol subsidy, and kids get admited to public uni bcos cronyism.

Capitalism is a system that benefits the rich.
Capitalism is proven to increase wealth gap, and creates poverty, thats why gov't must intervene.
Eg. USA introduce unemployment benefits, retirement savings fund, to make up against capitalism.
When countries do not look after their poor then risk collapsing like middle east.
PRC learnt this and address poverty, using PRC's version of capitalism with a Chinese touch.

QUOTE(exclus1ve @ Nov 2 2024, 04:25 PM)
Actually there's still Uitm for those orang asli or iban or bidayuh.
Where meritocracy can parking tepi.
Janji you're bumi.
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As a result we see Malays got more benefit from the past policies and UITM while the Org Asli still need more help.
Also if Org Asli from Sarawak would to be shipped from East to Peninsular and incur higher cost of living.... why not accomodate them in Sarawak, which has achieved high income state in MY.
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post Nov 2 2024, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(kopiride @ Nov 2 2024, 04:32 PM)
It's not about tuition. It's the upbringing whether they want to study or how the parents encourage / push them. Do you know many kids go tuition results are just like crap? Parents sometimes send to tuition to be like a daycare centre. Dont use old excuse to justify race base entry. If really want to help the poor, then provide them the tools to excel. Not feed them.
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Yes, parents is crucial. Yet if parents push kids, without professional help (tuition). The kids compared to those tuitioned ones.... who will be left out in meritocracy. When they are left behind, do you think they will join PAS or DAP?

Tertiary education is a tool, but you see it as feeding, why?

QUOTE(differ @ Nov 2 2024, 04:36 PM)
Like I said, don't lari tajuk la... what has the ori article have to do with democracy la, power to vote and voice la, etc.

Stick to the topic so everyone can debate our opinions objectively.
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Article is about a new system, which is impossible without political will, democracy and grass root support. So I am in topic, but you are stuck in a 3R mentality. 67 years later, we see today B40 become B85, bcos you are arguing and not looking at the bigger picture and facts.
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post Nov 2 2024, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(grumpydrive @ Nov 2 2024, 07:08 PM)
Starting next year no more subsidies liao..for kids of income bracket t15 kah apa tu..
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Kindly elaborate as your comment is not easy to understand.

QUOTE(ifourtos @ Nov 2 2024, 07:15 PM)
i born in a poor family.
i excel all the way in school and after uni...
My parent not that poor.
but they dont manage money well...

in uni time, i still have to skip meal to manage my finance....
Poor is a choice.
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Congratulations, you made it good in life!
Yes poor is a choice, but that is not the only factor in play.

USA has over a century of capitalism shows that capitalism creates poverty.
PRC has about 3 decades since their low, and manage to address poverty.
Capitalism is an economic model that is unstable and increases wealth gap.
That's why gov't created minimum wage laws, EPF, SocSo, maternity leave, etc.
Ask any CEO, they rather pay peanuts bcos low cost maximize profits.
Hence, gov't must intervene. For this to happen, democracy, people must speak up.

You achieve success yet B40 has expanded to 85% requiring subsidy.
Some people are undeserving, eg. rasuah budaya, malu apa, tuai tribe.
Yet as a gov't should we cut of their children?
If we leave them to the wolves of capitalism, they will turn to racing 3R.

You know how difficult it is to struggle financially.
Today's poor have harder life than generations ago.
Today people need smartphone, online payment, AI, laptop.
If you don't help them, they will just end up with more baby dumping.

Meritocracy will foster talents, but slow learners will fall behind.
Why should slow learners be an after thought?
Why cant STEM failture be intro to TVET?
Why cant we progress as an inclusive nation? ...especially for those who choose to learn, and not to be poor.

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post Nov 2 2024, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(g5sim @ Nov 2 2024, 07:02 PM)
The reason being the state gomen downs not want to be cursed by these students. Study study for free n graduated cannot find job. Stem, finance, Management are the priorities. The state needs these talents to fill up vacancies in the future
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Agree, yet we have evidence that capitalism cannot sustain top paying professions.
MY has how many PhD, doctors protesting for jobs, engineers complaint about pay.
Even SG have pivot some segments of students to TVET.

As per my earlier statement, if grads cannot do well in STEM, why not intro them to TVET.
Vocationally trained is faster to grad, can get job be it electrician, plumber, cheft, etc.
In SG, these jobs pay well.

Alternatively, would you like them to fall into religoius grads, become moral police like in Iran causing Mahsa Amini to die.
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 03:15 PM)
pls cover you small disgusting bebird in public.
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tabuli...don discriminate bebird hitam
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post Nov 2 2024, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 07:48 PM)
Kindly elaborate as your comment is not easy to understand.
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tongue.gif ..The government recently made an announcement for 2025 budget, kids/students from T15 family income brackets will have to pay full tuition for public University and boarding school(MRSM type of school I presume).

Acquaintance sudah kena for for his kid (2025 intake) 8 semester total RM44k++ (forgot what course)
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Nov 2 2024, 07:55 PM)
tabuli...don discriminate bebird hitam
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okay
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post Nov 2 2024, 07:57 PM

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Swinburne University of Technology Sarawak Campus, Curtin University Malaysia, University of Technology Sarawak, i-CATS University College, and Centre for Technology Excellence Sarawak (Centexs) gonna rank higher than UM soon
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 07:56 PM)
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post Nov 2 2024, 07:59 PM

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Affirmative action, if done properly should provide some quota or special circumstance for marginalized folks. This is applied even in US. So, removing quotas completely, to me, is be an overreaction.

This should not be confused with the ‘apartheid affirmative action’ we have here, where self declared ‘marginalised’ people have given themselves up to 85% of university seats. Are 85% of a certain group have no access to proper school, no teachers, electricity? In fact those in residential schools are getting better education than most of the students in urban areas, with top teachers and facilities. Still marginalised? A logical quota for marginalised students should be more like 5 to 10 percent. Remaining seats should be based on merit. We are not in 1950s any more.
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QUOTE(grumpydrive @ Nov 2 2024, 07:56 PM)
tongue.gif ..The government recently made an announcement for 2025 budget, kids/students from T15 family income brackets will have to pay full tuition for public University and boarding school(MRSM type of school I presume).

Acquaintance sudah kena for for his kid (2025 intake) 8 semester total RM44k++ (forgot what course)
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I see.
44k is a shock. Hopefully T15 by income number is define higher.

I still do not understand. Are you asking for gov't to give T15 tongkat subsidy?

The article as I read is Sarawak is suggesting to reform university intake by merit. Maybe your kid got good scores can apply?
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QUOTE(Freshmeat21 @ Nov 2 2024, 07:57 PM)
Swinburne University of Technology Sarawak Campus, Curtin University Malaysia, University of Technology Sarawak, i-CATS University College, and Centre for Technology Excellence Sarawak (Centexs) gonna rank higher than UM soon
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UTS had bragged about alumni employabili in the past.
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post Nov 2 2024, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Nov 2 2024, 07:58 PM)
janji nampak
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post Nov 2 2024, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 08:01 PM)
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LOL
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 08:01 PM)
<tembak gagak>
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abam pikichu panggil indian kukubird gagak. ayam sad
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 07:38 PM)
Article is about a new system, which is impossible without political will, democracy and grass root support. So I am in topic, but you are stuck in a 3R mentality. 67 years later, we see today B40 become B85, bcos you are arguing and not looking at the bigger picture and facts.
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Article is about removing race-based quota from those 5 state universities. Which is a good thing.

The rest you just conveniently drag into the discussion, for what reason nobody knows.

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