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 No more 'quota system' for state-owned unis

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abelyap
post Nov 2 2024, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Nov 2 2024, 04:04 PM)
Yup, no quota? hmm.gif
In reality only Sarawakian can be admitted, no?

Unless they are like Singapore offering the best of best from ASEAN!
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This is already a big step.
These state owned university need to build up reputation before thinking to attract talent from outside
U know NUS and NTU are the best in ASEAN right?
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post Nov 2 2024, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(differ @ Nov 2 2024, 08:19 PM)
Article is about removing race-based quota from those 5 state universities. Which is a good thing.

The rest you just conveniently drag into the discussion, for what reason nobody knows.
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The real question is why sampah private universities (yes they're not even listed in world top universities ranking) also have quotas?

More like sweeping statement. No quota said got quota
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post Nov 2 2024, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 02:56 PM)
Congrats!
Org Asli kid did not do well in school won't have chance to enter university.
Rich kids got lots of tuition can enjoy state university

Rich gets rich, poor gets tax and debt.
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Or you can just give based on needs


Some of you will do anything to defend racist policies
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post Nov 2 2024, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 07:38 PM)
When I stated, Congrats! means that Congrats to Sarawak leading the way to meritocracy.
With meritocracy, what would become of slow learner - that is the new concern.

Quota based did have some benefits, and today 2024, we see the benefit is limited. As in MY still in middle income, B40 -> B85, budaya rasuah, as you know. That's why PMX have to reform out corruption from system and Sarawak's shift to meritocracy should be celebrated and think-through. Otherwise slow learners will gravitate towards 3R.
Agree to some extend, and that extend is "still got space"
All young people should be allowed to take on tertiary education.
If slow learner not good in STEM then intro them to TVET.
When you stated "still got space" means that you treat them as an 'after-thought' like leftovers. This should not be the case.
Yes, rich get taxed more.
Poor get taxed less bcos they cannot afford to spend more.
Poor get more tongkat than rich.
Rich also get tongkat, like drive high power cars get petrol subsidy, and kids get admited to public uni bcos cronyism.

Capitalism is a system that benefits the rich.
Capitalism is proven to increase wealth gap, and creates poverty, thats why gov't must intervene.
Eg. USA introduce unemployment benefits, retirement savings fund, to make up against capitalism.
When countries do not look after their poor then risk collapsing like middle east.
PRC learnt this and address poverty, using PRC's version of capitalism with a Chinese touch.
As a result we see Malays got more benefit from the past policies and UITM while the Org Asli still need more help.
Also if Org Asli from Sarawak would to be shipped from East to Peninsular and incur higher cost of living.... why not accomodate them in Sarawak, which has achieved high income state in MY.
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Bro, have u been to sarawak b4? There's actually uitm here. Not necessary have to go over to malaya.
And when u say orang asli, there's lots of tribes. Nowadays lots of them is doing quite ok, if not well off.
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post Nov 2 2024, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(grumpydrive @ Nov 2 2024, 07:56 PM)
tongue.gif ..The government recently made an announcement for 2025 budget, kids/students from T15 family income brackets will have to pay full tuition for public University and boarding school(MRSM type of school I presume).

Acquaintance sudah kena for for his kid (2025 intake) 8 semester total RM44k++ (forgot what course)
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Really? Dun kena cheated ohh....

MRSM interview for 2025 admission is on going. Result expected release by Jan '25

Meanwhile 2025 university intake is cater for 2024 stpm and spm batch. These students yet to take stpm/spm exam.... So have not even apply le. Intake should be around July to Sept '25
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Good job ss, that's the way to move forward.
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post Nov 2 2024, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(ShadowR1 @ Nov 2 2024, 08:44 PM)
Good job ss, that's the way to move forward.
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Hopefully.
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post Nov 2 2024, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(abelyap @ Nov 2 2024, 08:31 PM)
This is already a big step.
These state owned university need to build up reputation before thinking to attract talent from outside
U know NUS and NTU are the best in ASEAN right?
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Actually one of the best in Asia. If not the best.
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post Nov 2 2024, 10:44 PM

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Lol what a joke.. private universities.. if really can't go in, either results are too bad or got no money to pay.. Better don't study la..
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 08:00 PM)
I see.
44k is a shock. Hopefully T15 by income number is define higher.

I still do not understand. Are you asking for gov't to give T15 tongkat subsidy?

The article as I read is Sarawak is suggesting to reform university intake by merit. Maybe your kid got good scores can apply?
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My kid still in elementary, lambat kahwin lambat anak..by the time they go uni we'd be in doddering age.
INB4 I don't agree with quota system, it's a stupid and education should be free..oh wai!! Anyhoo, if T15 kids have good grades and they want to attend local Public Uni why not man, they should get same treatment as everyone is my thinking.
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post Nov 2 2024, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(abelyap @ Nov 2 2024, 08:41 PM)
Really? Dun kena cheated ohh....

MRSM interview for 2025 admission is on going. Result expected release by Jan '25

Meanwhile 2025 university intake is cater for 2024 stpm and spm batch. These students yet to take stpm/spm exam.... So have not even apply le. Intake should be around July to Sept '25
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Dunno Liao, I got to know abt it coz he bitch abt it in Facebook..lol, I didn't follow current news but he did mentioned his kid got offer letter stating how much they need to fork up for the whole course- payable by semester. Not bad lah around rm5k++ per semester iiddat but that's not including living expenses for the kid. Some of us T15 just touch that income line by maybe few RM...nak kata mahakaya memang dok lah. cry.gif

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QUOTE(iSean @ Nov 2 2024, 06:19 PM)
yes. state-owned also. it is private.
they still charge students full-unsubsidized tuition fees, unless like he said give out scholarship by meritocracy
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I thought Sarawkian student get 50% discount atm??
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post Nov 2 2024, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(grumpydrive @ Nov 2 2024, 11:05 PM)
Dunno Liao, I got to know abt it coz he bitch abt it in Facebook..lol, I didn't follow current news but he did mentioned his kid got offer letter stating how much they need to fork up for the whole course- payable by semester. Not bad lah around rm5k++ per semester iiddat but that's not including living expenses for the kid. Some of us T15 just touch that income line by maybe few RM...nak kata mahakaya memang dok lah. cry.gif
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It is open market..... If somewhere else can provide better offer then go ahead. My guess is it still among the cheapest university

If kid is capable then plenty of scholarship around. No need kao beh kao bu

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post Nov 3 2024, 12:55 AM

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actually maresia now got how many unis already? so many unheard of.
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While PMX says otherwise meritocracy not balance...hawk ptuii.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 2 2024, 06:36 PM)
Public unis dah stop race-based quota in 2007. Please get up to date with the programme.
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The question is whether we are on merit based, and not whether we are on race-based quota.

If we are on merit based, we won't have to listen about full As students complaining cannot get a place in IPTA every year.
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post Nov 3 2024, 05:56 AM

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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 02:56 PM)
Congrats!
Org Asli kid did not do well in school won't have chance to enter university.
Rich kids got lots of tuition can enjoy state university

Rich gets rich, poor gets tax and debt.
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Quotas based on income > quotas based on race
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post Nov 3 2024, 06:03 AM

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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 02:56 PM)
Congrats!
Org Asli kid did not do well in school won't have chance to enter university.
Rich kids got lots of tuition can enjoy state university

Rich gets rich, poor gets tax and debt.
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kata equality ... only the best student (academic + Active) get the seat la regardless of races.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 2 2024, 06:36 PM)
Public unis dah stop race-based quota in 2007. Please get up to date with the programme.
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Itulah ... /k punya dendam .. sampai kiamat keep rasa teraniaya
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QUOTE(billylks @ Nov 3 2024, 02:42 AM)
The question is whether we are on merit based, and not whether we are on race-based quota.

If we are on merit based, we won't have to listen about full As students complaining cannot get a place in IPTA every year.
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We are merit based. But we are also limited in places.

You can do the maths:

20 public universities, 100 places each, but 4000 candidates with 3.80 and above.

Half of those wouldn't get their first choice. And by the time they get to their 2nd choice, it'll already be filled by 1st choicers. Then 3rd, and 4th and so on.

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