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No more 'quota system' for state-owned unis
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Nov 2 2024, 03:26 PM
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 02:56 PM) Congrats! Org Asli kid did not do well in school won't have chance to enter university. Rich kids got lots of tuition can enjoy state university Rich gets rich, poor gets tax and debt. If they can't do well in school, what can they achieve in university?
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Nov 2 2024, 03:30 PM
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Nov 2 2024, 03:09 PM) Problem is there are talents among tree people but they might not necessarily get the right early education. Conversely, there are dumbfuck rich kids with lots of supports from early age. Which one will win meritocracy? Now here’s the kicker: those dumbfuck rich kids will even get free tertiary education! Lulz https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2024/07/...arawakians-2026If "dumbfuck rich kid" gets 7A1s, then is he still dumb?
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Nov 2 2024, 03:32 PM
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 03:30 PM) songlap is corruption which must be addressed. meritocracy has its benefits, which I support, see "Congrats" I raise the query, what about slow learners, bcos they will be left out in meritocrary. TVET in tertiary education? Pls do more reading, don't everything also ask me. I critic capitalism to raise awareness. In a democracy, you also have a voice. Hope you will have an educated voice. Then that is a separate matter. These are universities, no? If you want to say that there should be more vocational institutions for those who don't make the cut, then I agree with you. But let's not mix up 2 different matters just for the sake of arguing online.
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Nov 2 2024, 03:36 PM
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Nov 2 2024, 03:32 PM) Here’s the thing: the meritocracy part is good. But it has to focus on equity rather than equality. Rafizi said something about this a while back. He said it’s not fair to compare his child studying in one of the best public schools in Putrajaya with a poor child in rural area. Sarawak govt has to acknowledge that the rich-poor gap in the state is quite large. To have a perfectly level playing field is impossible, but working towards equity will mean giving a bit of leeway towards disadvantaged poor students. What kind of leeway and how much? To blanket say all rural kids cannot succeed academically is also wrong.
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Nov 2 2024, 03:40 PM
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Nov 2 2024, 03:37 PM) You’d be surprised how many people get 7A1s and more and still dumb as rock. Tuitionssss and soalan bocor help a lot Are those the exceptions or are those the norm? You want to cherry pick those rare anecdotal stories, then how also we can argue till the cows come home. Then how else to objectively benchmark who is smart or dumb, and whether they deserve a place in university?
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Nov 2 2024, 03:41 PM
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 03:39 PM) Agree. Yes on vocational. The 2 matters are in the same ecosystem, including 3R. It is necessary to include economic model bcos edu will take a generation to see effect, and democratic gov't only has 4 years, and in the event that edu model was unsuccessful, then new set of problems arise. So capitalism economic model is where T1 or T15 profits from B85. 67 year majority did not talk about economy, today even god can help us as we see B40 turn into B85. Yes, but the article talks about admission to the 5 state owned universities. It doesn't talk about TVET alternatives, so I cannot assume that nothing is being done on that as well.
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Nov 2 2024, 04:33 PM
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Nov 2 2024, 03:45 PM) Let me rephrase it this way. Which one is smarter and more deserving of a place in uni: a rich kid studying in aircond all day with tuitions on weekends or a poor kid in rural area who has to walk many miles to school in jungle, crossing river, studying in a semi-collapsed wooden school? Both got 7A1s. Based on meritocracy, both equally deserve a spot. You cannot punish the urban kid for being born in that family, and vice versa. That's meritocracy.
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Nov 2 2024, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 03:55 PM) Democracy gives citizen the power to vote and voice, so I hope you dont let new drag you by the nose, instead voice out good ideas. Cheers! Like I said, don't lari tajuk la... what has the ori article have to do with democracy la, power to vote and voice la, etc. Stick to the topic so everyone can debate our opinions objectively.
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Nov 2 2024, 06:43 PM
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Nov 2 2024, 06:12 PM) You do know student intake in university is not unlimited? Hence I said which one is more deserving. Because these kids are not equal even when their results are. So you would punish the person because he was born in an urban family?
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Nov 2 2024, 08:19 PM
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 2 2024, 07:38 PM) Article is about a new system, which is impossible without political will, democracy and grass root support. So I am in topic, but you are stuck in a 3R mentality. 67 years later, we see today B40 become B85, bcos you are arguing and not looking at the bigger picture and facts. Article is about removing race-based quota from those 5 state universities. Which is a good thing. The rest you just conveniently drag into the discussion, for what reason nobody knows.
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Nov 4 2024, 04:59 AM
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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 3 2024, 10:36 AM) yet so many agree with me. If that helps you sleep at night, then sure, I also agree with you.
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