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post Jun 22 2024, 05:23 PM

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I've been with SolarEco for about a year now and they've been pretty solid. No issues with my roof leaking since the installation. As for pricing, it's around RM22,000 for a similar setup. Can't speak for gspark though, haven't dealt with them.
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post Jun 23 2024, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(limyusiong @ Jun 22 2024, 05:21 PM)
System Size: 10.44 kWp
Energy Generation (Year 1) (kWh): 13,842
Average Monthly TNB Bill Saving: RM 584
Recommended for current TNB Bill Amount: RM 600
Solar promotion price: RM 37,578 (EPP 60 months)
Payback Period (Year):5.4
Simple 10 Year Saving: RM 34,252

Solar PV Panel
Solar PV Panel: Longi LR5-72HTH-580M
15 years prod warranty and 25 years linear power output warranty
Solar PV Model: Solar PV Panel HPBC tech SUN 2000 -10KTL-M1 (10 years warranty)
Quantity: 18
Gotten Quotation on this... any comment and feedback?
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EPP price of RM 31,800


If comparing both, what is the diff btw Solar PV Panel? Longi vs Jinko Panel? Any advice?
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post Jun 24 2024, 08:02 PM

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Just different brand. To me not so important. The first quotation you share don't have inverter brand and capacity... but assuming is similar capacity. So my opinion is just get the cheaper one will do.

As for the average saving, it is reported abit on the high side... but that is just the general information in the quotation. Real live usage, the sun hour is about 3 per day, so monthly saving should be around RM480. But on another case, you didn't need your solar to cover 100% of your usage because the first 300 units are cheap.
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post Jun 24 2024, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(limyusiong @ Jun 23 2024, 08:42 PM)
Gotten another quota:

EPP price of RM 31,800
If comparing both, what is the diff btw Solar PV Panel? Longi vs Jinko Panel? Any advice?
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Not sure if you noticed your own quotation. Despite both using the Huawei hybrid inverter, the VASOLAR one is 8kW and the earlier one is 10kW. Given the total system size the VASOLAR one is more optimised. Given the price difference and similar kWp output, VASOLAR is a no brainer IMO. At RM2994/kWp with EPP, very competitive pricing!


QUOTE(cdspins @ Jun 24 2024, 08:02 PM)
Just different brand. To me not so important. The first quotation you share don't have inverter brand and capacity... but assuming is similar capacity. So my opinion is just get the cheaper one will do.

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lol what you talking. the inverter make all the difference. panels have matured so much and between major manufacturers performance numbers are very similar. inverters on the other hand lead a hard life and fail more so than panels.

And his first quotation stated SUN2000 which is the Huawei hybrid inverter.
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post Jun 25 2024, 08:38 AM

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QUOTE(D-Zire @ Jun 17 2024, 05:19 PM)
Hi guys,

I got another quotation from Alpha Solar as below:

System Size: 7.3 kWp
Energy Generation (Year 1) (kWh): 8,784
Average Monthly TNB Bill Saving: RM 419
Recommended for current TNB Bill Amount: RM 498
Savings and Financial Analysis
Solar promotion price: RM 19,750 (Cash/Credit Card)
Solar promotion price: RM 20,935 (EPP 36 months)
Solar promotion price: RM 21,429 (EPP 60 months)
Payback Period (Year): 3.1
Simple 10 Year Saving: RM 50,329
Simple 20 Year Saving: RM 100,658
Solar PV Panel
Solar PV Panel: Longi
Solar PV Model: LR7-72HGD 610M
Quantity: 12
Product Warranty: 15 years
Power Performance Warranty: 30 years
Inverter
Inverter: SAJ-Sofar-INVT
Model: R5-6K-S2-15
Quantity: 1
Warranty: 10 years

Change to Huawei Inverter add 3k

From what I have survey so far, the pricing seems to be the cheapest. Any comments here from the specs?
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did u specified what PV panel and inverter brand you want? because they quoted me sunpower PV + sungrow inverter, 8.8kwp is 30k
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post Jun 25 2024, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(EdEd @ Jun 25 2024, 08:38 AM)
did u specified what PV panel and inverter brand you want? because they quoted me sunpower PV + sungrow inverter, 8.8kwp is 30k
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QUite expensive for this price and capacity and system type.
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post Jun 25 2024, 09:08 AM

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Anyone has experience or have friends experience with Emit Solar by TIME? Their model seems like a no brainer. No worries about maintenance and warranty during the contract period. Any thoughts?
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post Jun 25 2024, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(chiwawa10 @ Jun 25 2024, 09:08 AM)
Anyone has experience or have friends experience with Emit Solar by TIME? Their model seems like a no brainer. No worries about maintenance and warranty during the contract period. Any thoughts?
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The saving is minuscule compared to getting solar system yourself if you are capable of financing it.

They charge a certain rate for their system production. Usually this is not suitable for small homes. If very big usage like few thousands kWh, then can consider this. But it will save you the most 10-20% of the current bill.
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post Jun 25 2024, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jun 24 2024, 09:46 PM)
Not sure if you noticed your own quotation. Despite both using the Huawei hybrid inverter, the VASOLAR one is 8kW and the earlier one is 10kW. Given the total system size the VASOLAR one is more optimised. Given the price difference and similar kWp output, VASOLAR is a no brainer IMO. At RM2994/kWp with EPP, very competitive pricing!
lol what you talking. the inverter make all the difference. panels have matured so much and between major manufacturers performance numbers are very similar. inverters on the other hand lead a hard life and fail more so than panels.

And his first quotation stated SUN2000 which is the Huawei hybrid inverter.
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OH... doh.gif I failed to read between lines... it should not be label as solar PV model in the description though
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post Jun 25 2024, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(chiwawa10 @ Jun 25 2024, 09:08 AM)
Anyone has experience or have friends experience with Emit Solar by TIME? Their model seems like a no brainer. No worries about maintenance and warranty during the contract period. Any thoughts?
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low risk, no up front payment, low return lo... it all depend on how much you are wiling to put up front cool2.gif
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post Jun 25 2024, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(EdEd @ Jun 25 2024, 08:38 AM)
did u specified what PV panel and inverter brand you want? because they quoted me sunpower PV + sungrow inverter, 8.8kwp is 30k
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Nope. I didnt specify what panel and inverter. I just asked for their quick default quotation as I was rushing.

As far as my research tells, usually panels you cant choose. Inverter you can ‘upgrade’ or choose other brands for an extra cost.

By the way, anyone has any feedback if say for panels from same brand ie Trina, some vendors use different power panels..ie 580w vs 590w vs 600w
Does it matter? I mean I understand it affects your total system power but would higher power panels comes with stronger materials(?) or whatever additional materials.

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post Jun 25 2024, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(D-Zire @ Jun 25 2024, 04:12 PM)
Nope. I didnt specify what panel and inverter. I just asked for their quick default quotation as I was rushing.

As far as my research tells, usually panels you cant choose. Inverter you can ‘upgrade’ or choose other brands for an extra cost.

By the way, anyone has any feedback if say for panels from same brand ie Trina, some vendors use different power panels..ie 580w vs 590w vs 600w
Does it matter? I mean I understand it affects your total system power but would higher power panels comes with stronger materials(?) or whatever additional materials.
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For panels, Trina is one of the good ones right now. The wattage is the rating of max output it can produce. Usually the calculation of panels wattage will lead to your kwp and finally to your yield projection. If you ask me the difference between 590w vs 600w, it may not be very big difference. But accumulativelu, it can be a lot especially on bigger size projects.
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post Jun 25 2024, 09:12 PM

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https://services.seda.gov.my/nem/quota/dashboard

NEM rakyat quota 30% left… we are only in half of the year.. Solaris working its magic. I’m chilling because NEM agreement signed and allocated for me.

You guys better hurry up if you want to install this year.
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post Jun 26 2024, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(bee88 @ Jun 25 2024, 10:47 AM)
The saving is minuscule compared to getting solar system yourself if you are capable of financing it.

They charge a certain rate for their system production. Usually this is not suitable for small homes.  If very big usage like few thousands kWh, then can consider this. But it will save you the most 10-20% of the current bill.
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QUOTE(cdspins @ Jun 25 2024, 01:06 PM)
low risk, no up front payment, low return lo... it all depend on how much you are wiling to put up front  cool2.gif
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From what I can see, there is no upfront payment. That itself is a 'saving' compared to buying the whole system upfront. I understand that they charge according to how much their system managed to offset from the bill (I could be wrong on this as I didn't call them up to get the details). The real saving is after the contract period. They have a minimum contract period of 5 years which is reasonable owing to the systems nowadays can last for much longer. After the contract period, it's like getting the system for free.

In a gist, its like:-
1. no upfront payment
2. getting the system for free (after contract period)
3. worry free during contract period
4. going green helps the environment

Its all about reaping the benefits after the contract period. (this is the only downside which I can see). Any thoughts or comments?
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post Jun 26 2024, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(chiwawa10 @ Jun 26 2024, 09:04 AM)
From what I can see, there is no upfront payment. That itself is a 'saving' compared to buying the whole system upfront. I understand that they charge according to how much their system managed to offset from the bill (I could be wrong on this as I didn't call them up to get the details). The real saving is after the contract period. They have a minimum contract period of 5 years which is reasonable owing to the systems nowadays can last for much longer. After the contract period, it's like getting the system for free.

In a gist, its like:-
1. no upfront payment
2. getting the system for free (after contract period)
3. worry free during contract period
4. going green helps the environment

Its all about reaping the benefits after the contract period. (this is the only downside which I can see). Any thoughts or comments?
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Not worth it for a consumer. Many solar vendors out there offer EPP credit card payments at 0% (some with surcharge) upto 60 months which is 5 years. if you calculate the entire cost/sum paid, it is much more expensive for such rental/instalment plan. Because at the end of the day, somebody is financing the capex, and there is no free lunch in the world.

And depending on the vendor, the warranty period varies. In any case most all inverters and panels are warrantied for >5 years.
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post Jun 26 2024, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(chiwawa10 @ Jun 26 2024, 09:04 AM)
From what I can see, there is no upfront payment. That itself is a 'saving' compared to buying the whole system upfront. I understand that they charge according to how much their system managed to offset from the bill (I could be wrong on this as I didn't call them up to get the details). The real saving is after the contract period. They have a minimum contract period of 5 years which is reasonable owing to the systems nowadays can last for much longer. After the contract period, it's like getting the system for free.

In a gist, its like:-
1. no upfront payment
2. getting the system for free (after contract period)
3. worry free during contract period
4. going green helps the environment

Its all about reaping the benefits after the contract period. (this is the only downside which I can see). Any thoughts or comments?
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By the end of the contract period, you will be out of NEM.

Usually if a person with 250 ringgit bill invest 20k in solar, they will get back about 20k worth of solar product and 15k additional saving. So roughly 35k in 10 years. (Don’t mind the depreciation )

But for the same person who goes for solar worth the package you mentioned, you will still have to pay Tnb and solar company about 220 a month. And your actual saving could be rm30. So if you do it for 10 years, you will fork out 26k.

This is just very rough sketch but in short, this is the theory behind why it’s not so worth it.

And Thai is a very small system. They don’t do small system for this kind of program if not mistaken.


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post Jun 26 2024, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(chiwawa10 @ Jun 26 2024, 09:04 AM)
From what I can see, there is no upfront payment. That itself is a 'saving' compared to buying the whole system upfront. I understand that they charge according to how much their system managed to offset from the bill (I could be wrong on this as I didn't call them up to get the details). The real saving is after the contract period. They have a minimum contract period of 5 years which is reasonable owing to the systems nowadays can last for much longer. After the contract period, it's like getting the system for free.

In a gist, its like:-
1. no upfront payment
2. getting the system for free (after contract period)
3. worry free during contract period
4. going green helps the environment

Its all about reaping the benefits after the contract period. (this is the only downside which I can see). Any thoughts or comments?
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Just my opinion, as there is other options so it is better to put them side by side for comparison and then decide which one is more suitable. Different people may have different preference. Base on the advantages you listed, let's compare them side by side
1. upfront payment
Rental: No upfront payment
Buy Over: Upfront payment or EPP with credit card up to 5 years
2. System ownership
Rental: getting the system for free after contract (But this system not able to sell back to TnB and not support battery operation, all in all may need to upgrade or change to newer inverter with battery)
Ownership: system is yours but NEM finished in 10 years
3. warranty
Rental: worry free during contract period
Ownership: Maintenance by owner but how often need maintenance, standard warranty to cover normal functionality of panel and inverter for at least 10 years
4. Green
Rental and ownership both is green.
5. Return
Rental: Some savings in electricity bills immediately, since there is no cost, but return maybe much lower in 10 years contract period
Ownership: ROI starts after 5 or 6 years, depends on capacity and return is much higher compare to rental over 10 years contract period.

So all in all, it all boils down to item 1 and 5. How willing for you to put up a certain amount of money upfront or in advance for EPP years. And with that how much return you can enjoy down the 10 years contract period
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QUOTE(Jason @ Jun 26 2024, 09:59 AM)
Not worth it for a consumer. Many solar vendors out there offer EPP credit card payments at 0% (some with surcharge) upto 60 months which is 5 years. if you calculate the entire cost/sum paid, it is much more expensive for such rental/instalment plan. Because at the end of the day, somebody is financing the capex, and there is no free lunch in the world.

And depending on the vendor, the warranty period varies. In any case most all inverters and panels are warrantied for >5 years.
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Jun 26 2024, 10:28 AM)
By the end of the contract period, you will be out of NEM.

Usually if a person with 250 ringgit bill invest 20k in solar, they will get back about 20k worth of solar product and 15k additional saving.  So roughly 35k in 10 years. (Don’t mind the depreciation )

But for the same person who goes for solar worth the package you mentioned, you will still have to pay Tnb and solar company about 220 a month. And your actual saving could be rm30. So if you do it for 10 years,  you will fork out 26k.

This is just very rough sketch but in short, this is the theory behind why it’s not so worth it.

And Thai is a very small system.  They don’t do small system for this kind of program if not mistaken.
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QUOTE(cdspins @ Jun 26 2024, 10:39 AM)
Just my opinion, as there is other options so it is better to put them side by side for comparison and then decide which one is more suitable. Different people may have different preference. Base on the advantages you listed, let's compare them side by side
1. upfront payment
    Rental: No upfront payment
    Buy Over: Upfront payment or EPP with credit card up to 5 years
2. System ownership
    Rental: getting the system for free after contract (But this system not able to sell back to TnB and not support battery operation, all in all may need to upgrade or change to newer inverter with battery)
    Ownership: system is yours but NEM finished in 10 years
3. warranty
    Rental: worry free during contract period
    Ownership: Maintenance by owner but how often need maintenance, standard warranty to cover normal functionality of panel and inverter for at least 10 years
4. Green
    Rental and ownership both is green.
5. Return
    Rental: Some savings in electricity bills immediately, since there is no cost, but return maybe much lower in 10 years contract period
    Ownership: ROI starts after 5 or 6 years, depends on capacity and return is much higher compare to rental over 10 years contract period.

So all in all, it all boils down to item 1 and 5. How willing for you to put up a certain amount of money upfront or in advance for EPP years. And with that how much return you can enjoy down the 10 years contract period
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Thanks for the reply guys. With EPP coming into play (and stretching to 60 months), it's definitely worth looking into buying the system outright. How much of a price difference between one vendor to another? Is the main difference just due to the capacity of the electricity generation?
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QUOTE(chiwawa10 @ Jun 26 2024, 12:41 PM)
Thanks for the reply guys. With EPP coming into play (and stretching to 60 months), it's definitely worth looking into buying the system outright. How much of a price difference between one vendor to another? Is the main difference just due to the capacity of the electricity generation?
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Oh based on my experience, the price can difference up to 20%. Capacity definitely is the main factor that determine the price. Inverter technology (hybrid, string, microinverter) is also affecting the price but maybe now to a lesser extend.
But I think the best is to get at least 3 or 4 companies to quote you. This is a free service so don't be ashamed to request for free site visit, explanation and quotation. No need to rush to sign up. Just communicate with the agent and then decide based on price and your preference after meeting up with the agent.

Just information sharing, I didn't go for the cheapest quotation either, instead I went with the one with a higher price but is more sincere in selling his service and answer to all my queries.... cool2.gif
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Based on this, only take 3 years to break even.

TNB did a cut off, once NEM is successfully registered and for my May bill from 22 to 31st is only RM 0.90.



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