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post Jun 7 2024, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jun 6 2024, 03:23 PM)
But wouldn’t this put you at risk of a certain unconscious bias? Wouldn’t it mean that you approach every new relationship like it’s a game waiting to be played until the final denouement and then the lights turn on when the show is over?

Then, wouldn’t that mean you’re entering into a relationship with the intention to fail, and the same expectation, so when it does fail, you have a ready excuse to protect yourself against the hurt by consoling yourself that “it was only a game to be played”?
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Lol, uncle silverhawk ady pointed out his self fulfilling prophecy where it's an endless vicious cycle of people using one another for fun and no strings attached. No one can talk "pure love" to this alpha male, but I'll see how you humour each other tongue.gif
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post Jun 7 2024, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jun 7 2024, 07:28 PM)
Just out of curiosity bro, how long do you think your ‘player’ days will go on for? While men may age somewhat slightly slower than female in terms of viability and attractiveness factor, we will nonetheless age…

And aren’t you worried that one day the player will end up being the one being played?
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The players who end up being played are usually those who got married after being in the field for long, they settle down with an average mary jane while slowly losing his overall frame, in a more understanding term, being a people pleaser

when a woman smells weakness, she will pounce on it, same goes to a gold digger, if you're weak in your core essence, no matter how much wealth you've, you're always going to be a target for these seductresses

The true player of life, is someone who's unattached on whatever life circumstances thrown at him. Whether he's going to get married, or get an accident or slowly die within a disease time frame

whenever i meet someone new
whether we're going to make a solid friendship/business
or we're going to have sex or making a longer sustainable relationship
when you follow the Dao, instead of just Tsu
you'll realize the unlimited capability of every little details you come across
whether its a tree, or even a girl you want to have
you're just witnessing the beauty of a facade
there's no absolute meaning of life
because you just take it in, take it out

enjoy the life, itself.

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post Jun 7 2024, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jun 7 2024, 07:28 PM)
Just out of curiosity bro, how long do you think your ‘player’ days will go on for? While men may age somewhat slightly slower than female in terms of viability and attractiveness factor, we will nonetheless age…

And aren’t you worried that one day the player will end up being the one being played?
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Its worse than that, the casual nature of the relationships just means he is devaluing himself subconsciously.

As much as he views others as tools, he himself is also becomes a tool. The value is reflected back upon himself.

As a married man, you know as much as I do. Our partners reflect back our efforts into the relationship, we build the relationship though it is often not easy. The end result is a productive relationship that grows through time, not time wasted.

The analogy I've been giving him, is that he's stuck in the tutorial phase of life and constantly repeating it.

QUOTE(Takudan @ Jun 7 2024, 10:11 PM)
Lol, uncle silverhawk ady pointed out his self fulfilling prophecy where it's an endless vicious cycle of people using one another for fun and no strings attached. No one can talk "pure love" to this alpha male, but I'll see how you humour each other tongue.gif
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You compare his posts a few years ago and now, there is a huge difference he has yet to acknowledge in himself.

I already predicted his current behaviour, though it will probably take some time before he comes to terms with the cognitive dissonance.

Ultimately, he is seeing how meaningless his pursuit of happiness and lust is. So you'll notice he has become more "philosophical/spiritual" lately. It is his soul's cry for help and search for meaning.

Deep down he knows what needs to be done, but like any addict, he will turn to his addiction to soothe himself rather than do what needs to be done to get out of his pit.
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Jun 7 2024, 10:54 PM)
Ultimately, he is seeing how meaningless his pursuit of happiness and lust is. So you'll notice he has become more "philosophical/spiritual" lately. It is his soul's cry for help and search for meaning.
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human beings thought they understand themselves so much, until they realized the nature is even bigger than themselves. You realize how foolish yourself will be, from the sky the clouds just look at how limited perception human beings can be

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post Jun 7 2024, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Jun 7 2024, 10:54 PM)
I already predicted his current behaviour, though it will probably take some time before he comes to terms with the cognitive dissonance.
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You can only predict, but you may never resonate or find out the truth even death bed arises. Shall i call you jesus christ? lmao

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post Jun 7 2024, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(-mystery- @ Jun 7 2024, 11:10 PM)
human beings thought they understand themselves so much, until they realized the nature is even bigger than themselves. You realize how foolish yourself will be, to justify people existence

人发地,地发天,天发道,道法自然。
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QUOTE(-mystery- @ Jun 7 2024, 11:13 PM)
You can only predict, but you will never find out the truth even death bed arises. Shall i call you jesus christ? lmao
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If I see someone eating rotten food, I can predict they will get food poisoning. Its nothing about justification or knowing truth, just an observation of a phenomena.

The path you're on, is just as clear to me as someone eating rotten food. Deep down, you know it too. One day, you will come to see it too.
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post Jun 7 2024, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Jun 7 2024, 10:54 PM)
Its worse than that, the casual nature of the relationships just means he is devaluing himself subconsciously.
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what kind of devaluation you talking about
If you mean a good looking plain wife will never make mistake
but a hot woman with tatoos must be a slut

you're making a binary thinking
you're trapped in your own mind and endless analysis

have you even been a player by yourself?
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post Jun 7 2024, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Jun 7 2024, 11:32 PM)
The path you're on, is just as clear to me as someone eating rotten food. Deep down, you know it too. One day, you will come to see it too.
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does that mean being a beggar is lesser than being a billionaire?
a beggar is servicing himself, he has the willingness to let go of ego
meanwhile, a billionaire has to maintain his ego to look presentable in front of public

whether its let go or maintain
it has no inherent meaning
Its just subjective differentiation
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post Jun 8 2024, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(-mystery- @ Jun 7 2024, 11:36 PM)
does that mean being a beggar is lesser than being a billionaire?
a beggar is servicing himself, he has the willingness to let go of ego
meanwhile, a billionaire has to maintain his ego to look presentable in front of public

whether its let go or maintain
it has no inherent meaning
Its just subjective differentiation
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post Jun 8 2024, 02:13 AM

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have you even been a player by yourself?
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Yes, which is why nothing you say/do is anything new to me. Its not like I never played the field and even experimented with some of the PUA stuff that was popular at that time, ultimately found it boring and meaningless pretty quick.

I also did it with a different goal/value in mind so the way I treated myself and my partners were abit different.

QUOTE(-mystery- @ Jun 7 2024, 11:33 PM)
what kind of devaluation you talking about
If you mean a good looking plain wife will never make mistake
but a hot woman with tatoos must be a slut

you're making a binary thinking
you're trapped in your own mind and endless analysis

I say A, you think I'm talking B. You still don't see how limited your perspective is.

Let me try to put it in a way you might understand. Typically, women trade sex for relationship, so people say that women with high body count are "low value" makes sense. Since so many men have tried them and none want to be with her.

Likewise for men, the barometer is how many women are willing to trade sex for a relationship with him. So people like you, want to be a "player" and derive value from the amount of women you can bed. Supposedly giving you higher status. However, its a false signal. Women are not throwing themselves at you for a relationship with you. Its not the same.

Its not like you can go up to any woman you choose, seduce her, bed her and maintain a long term relationship with her. Your value isn't that high, and you know it. You take what you can from the pool that is available to you; which could be vulnerable insecure women, or women just wanting a fling. Neither of which reflect a high value in yourself.

There's a reason why almost every successful man is married, even if they may not always be faithful. At the very least, they are playing the long term relationship game and build the necessary skills to navigate it.

You are avoiding it completely because you fear its results. To make yourself feel better, you'll look down at married couples as problematic, settling, etc. Think about it, do such utterances come out from someone with confidence in their values? or does it stem from a place of insecurity and resentment.

No doubt marriages have their problems, but you would not hear hksgmy talk down on his wife like that, and neither would that AfraidIfIgotBan (can't remember his actual username) even though he supposedly f`ks around while being married.

QUOTE(-mystery- @ Jun 7 2024, 11:36 PM)
does that mean being a beggar is lesser than being a billionaire?
a beggar is servicing himself, he has the willingness to let go of ego
meanwhile, a billionaire has to maintain his ego to look presentable in front of public

whether its let go or maintain
it has no inherent meaning
Its just subjective differentiation
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Flowery and pretty words, but philosophically empty.

The beggar depends on society, hence they beg. So yes, they are lesser. The billionaire got there by providing value to society, hence the wealth accumulated. The ego is a separate conversation from that valuation.

A beggar can just have as much ego and a billionaire, without one.

Becareful on the sophistry path you're on, its headed towards nihilism. Where nothing has meaning, then everything is permitted. Simultaneously, where nothing has meaning you have nothing to anchor yourself and you will be lost; since everything is permitted you'll find a way to justify, and remain forever lost.

You can easily see its effects in the transgender ideology, there's a reason their suicide rate is so high.
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post Jun 8 2024, 02:30 AM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Jun 8 2024, 02:13 AM)
Yes, which is why nothing you say/do is anything new to me. Its not like I never played the field and even experimented with some of the PUA stuff that was popular at that time, ultimately found it boring and meaningless pretty quick.

I also did it with a different goal/value in mind so the way I treated myself and my partners were abit different.
I say A, you think I'm talking B. You still don't see how limited your perspective is.

Let me try to put it in a way you might understand. Typically, women trade sex for relationship, so people say that women with high body count are "low value" makes sense. Since so many men have tried them and none want to be with her.

Likewise for men, the barometer is how many women are willing to trade sex for a relationship with him. So people like you, want to be a "player" and derive value from the amount of women you can bed. Supposedly giving you higher status. However, its a false signal. Women are not throwing themselves at you for a relationship with you. Its not the same.

Its not like you can go up to any woman you choose, seduce her, bed her and maintain a long term relationship with her. Your value isn't that high, and you know it. You take what you can from the pool that is available to you; which could be  vulnerable insecure women, or women just wanting a fling. Neither of which reflect a high value in yourself.

There's a reason why almost every successful man is married, even if they may not always be faithful. At the very least, they are playing the long term relationship game and build the necessary skills to navigate it.

You are avoiding it completely because you fear its results. To make yourself feel better, you'll look down at married couples as problematic, settling, etc. Think about it, do such utterances come out from someone with confidence in their values? or does it stem from a place of insecurity and resentment.

No doubt marriages have their problems, but you would not hear hksgmy talk down on his wife like that, and neither would that AfraidIfIgotBan (can't remember his actual username) even though he supposedly f`ks around while being married.
Flowery and pretty words, but philosophically empty.

The beggar depends on society, hence they beg. So yes, they are lesser. The billionaire got there by providing value to society, hence the wealth accumulated. The ego is a separate conversation from that valuation.

A beggar can just have as much ego and a billionaire, without one.

Becareful on the sophistry path you're on, its headed towards nihilism. Where nothing has meaning, then everything is permitted. Simultaneously, where nothing has meaning you have nothing to anchor yourself and you will be lost; since everything is permitted you'll find a way to justify, and remain forever lost.

You can easily see its effects in the transgender ideology, there's a reason their suicide rate is so high.
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post Jun 8 2024, 02:39 AM

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QUOTE(capatiroticanai @ Feb 2 2024, 04:52 PM)
i'm muslim. I'm married. To me marriage is such a gamble.
You dont know your partner until you stay together under the same roof with her/him.
Besides, during the marriage many life test as an adult that happen, no money, getting fired, in law conflict issue, sickness and etc. It is difference how a married couple and love couple handle the difficult situation. During couple phase all is happy and lovey dovey stuff. After marriage  your partner tend to show their true colour.

I dont understand what is the purpose of non-muslim to get married. you can stay together and can test drive some more. if you want to get married be ready all mentally, physically and emotionally. it is long term commitment and not all success until the end.
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You are mistaken. Non muslims have cohabitation to understand each other better, that's the couple phase. Marriage is upon understanding each other, till death do us apart.

For muslims, it's a crash course since you guys cannot cohabitate, hence all the bad sides will only be shown after marriage.

So the "dont understand" part should be at muslims' marriages. Is it for a couple who understands each other, or lust each other?
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Jun 8 2024, 02:13 AM)
I say A, you think I'm talking B. You still don't see how limited your perspective is.

Let me try to put it in a way you might understand
. Your value isn't that high, and you know it.
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thats something to reflect on, when someone tries to convince their point of view onto someone.

There's no high or low, beauty or ugly
Its a binary thinking that is created to make yourself more frustrated/result oriented, the more you try to defend. Because the mind is your "self"
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Jun 8 2024, 02:13 AM)
Where nothing has meaning, then everything is permitted. Simultaneously, where nothing has meaning you have nothing to anchor yourself and you will be lost; since everything is permitted you'll find a way to justify, and remain forever lost.
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I don't see every girls will have sex with me
but i see how my subconscious working and stories thats embedded inside me whenever im aware of obstacles of rejections i encounter
I witness the limitations that my parents and society thats been brainwashing a person

that's the beauty part of it
Its similar like exploring an art or a hobby
and you're trying to take away the essence or the Tao (route) of being an explorer
Its like a parent telling a kid do not touch smoking and drinking because "it must be bad"

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Never for me. Having a family completes the whole picture.

Now alot get into marriage because of love and lust.. don't.. remind yourself marriage also involved responsibility, respect, commitment and self discipline. Lose any of those and you see things start crumbling. One have to find balance in all those aspect hence lots of marriage didn't really worked out.
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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jun 8 2024, 02:30 AM)
Couldn’t have said it more eloquently even if I tried.  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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post Jun 8 2024, 07:57 AM

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QUOTE(-mystery- @ Jun 8 2024, 07:50 AM)
I don't see every girls will have sex with me
but i see how my subconscious working and stories thats embedded inside me whenever im aware of obstacles of rejections i encounter
I witness the limitations that my parents and society thats been brainwashing a person

that's the beauty part of it
Its similar like exploring an art or a hobby
and you're trying to take away the essence or the Tao (route) of being an explorer
Its like a parent telling a kid do not touch smoking and drinking because "it must be bad"
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Wow. Player and a poet, and a pseudo-quasi-philosopher…. That’s more win that anyone can handle. No wonder the ladies swoon and their knickers go flying bro….
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post Jun 8 2024, 08:00 AM

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93% of communication is non verbals
when it comes to socializing, its not necessarily the most intelligent person will stand out
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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jun 8 2024, 07:57 AM)
Wow. Player and a poet, and a pseudo-quasi-philosopher…. That’s more win that anyone can handle. No wonder the ladies swoon and their knickers go flying bro….
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Life is a game, and you play your script or character to the max
and then someone like silverhawk tries to deny the process
how cruel a parent can become, when a parent insists to be dogma.
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post Jun 8 2024, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(-mystery- @ Jun 8 2024, 08:01 AM)
Life is a game, and you play your script or character to the max
and then someone like silverhawk tries to deny the process
how cruel a parent can become, when a parent insists to be dogma.
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When all is said and done, and the dust settles, I’ll have the life I’ve chosen to live and you’ll have the path you’ve chosen to walk. Then and only then, will we realise and embrace the reckoning of whether it was a life worth reminiscing or a path worth regretting. And I’m also of sufficient vintage to realise that what is worth reminiscing for one may turn out to be nothing but wasted regrets for another.

Any attempt to ponder or claim otherwise would be premature.

So, by all means, you continue doing what you feel suits you best and I’ll continue doing what I feel works better for me - the world’s certainly big enough for us to respectfully agree to disagree.

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