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post Jan 28 2024, 11:30 AM

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I have been giving PADU some serious thought lately as it has riled up quite a number of people including yours truly.

PADU is actually replacing the national populace censure that we use to have now and then. That censure eventhough it says populace censure, one of its actual goal was to draw up wealth information among the populace. This PADU was just meant to replace it, a good idea to save cost instead of sending thousands of censure across the country.

All of us has been conned by this lafizi guy, using our fear of loss of subsidies . It's just his high school project and he must feel really good that he could instilled such emotions.

Now i know what to fill ..he..he..
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post Jan 28 2024, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(D10yrspain @ Jan 28 2024, 11:28 AM)
Probably gov lost track of those that exile from working society many years back macam old folks or Suri rumah. Update are more meant for them maybe, Ada ke yang cerai2 ke sangkut2 marital status, manatau. Yang anak2 semua takmau cari kerja duduk rumah ke.
The Air alone kenot complete it, it has to be Kir to fill up the whole family members only then the Air registration appeared updated
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Kids above 18 yrs old can register already. Again, how is this being play in the criteria, nobody knows. Only Rafizi say you can, you can.

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post Jan 28 2024, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Jan 28 2024, 11:49 AM)
Kids above 18 yrs old can register already. Again, how is this being play in the criteria, nobody knows. Only Rafizi say you can, you can.

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Kids these days no care one la, unless they really dahaga for kecik miao pertolongan just because they don't want to go out to work. I have a brother just like that. Apart from his IC gov can trace nothing about him.
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post Jan 28 2024, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(D10yrspain @ Jan 28 2024, 11:58 AM)
Kids these days no care one la, unless they really dahaga for kecik miao pertolongan just because they don't want to go out to work. I have a brother just like that. Apart from his IC gov can trace nothing about him.
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hmmm...

if following the previous e-madani $$$..

no records in LHDN means No $$$ for you then??? No fill up PADU... No subsidies given???

wah... cannot imagine the level of backlash devil.gif

seriously goverment & Rafizi really needed to come out open and says the criteria of subsidies....
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post Jan 28 2024, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 28 2024, 12:14 PM)
hmmm...

if following the previous e-madani $$$..

no records in LHDN means No $$$ for you then???  No fill up PADU... No subsidies given???

wah... cannot imagine the level of backlash  devil.gif

seriously goverment & Rafizi really needed to come out open and says the criteria of subsidies....
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Lapuzi say whatever I don't really take it seriously, I don't understand why everyone keep picking on him alone. At the end he is not the person who sits there approving each registration and to approve who gets the bantuan.

So by that means I still don't get it if a person is old enuf jobless but no record in gov and leeching off a family for years , does the Kir needs to add him in part of Air???

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QUOTE(D10yrspain @ Jan 28 2024, 12:40 PM)
Lapuzi say whatever I don't really take it seriously, I don't understand why everyone keep picking on him alone. At the end he is not the person who sits there approving each registration and to approve who gets the bantuan.

So by that means I still don't get it if a person is old enuf jobless but no record in gov and leeching off a family for years , does the Kir needs to add him in part of Air???
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Dude. Surely he is the one sitting at the top determining what criteria goes or not? He is Economy Minister. This is obviously his baby. His company do all this info gathering for PKR during election. Of course he is held accountable. But he refused to be transparent.
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post Jan 28 2024, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(D10yrspain @ Jan 28 2024, 12:40 PM)
Lapuzi say whatever I don't really take it seriously, I don't understand why everyone keep picking on him alone. At the end he is not the person who sits there approving each registration and to approve who gets the bantuan.

So by that means I still don't get it if a person is old enuf jobless but no record in gov and leeching off a family for years , does the Kir needs to add him in part of Air???
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okay. give chance to Rafizi.... the staff below does the approvals with list of criteria by the top government people.
clear on that...


second part...
it's personal level... your family issues. we cannot interfere... discuss among family icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jan 28 2024, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(D10yrspain @ Jan 28 2024, 12:40 PM)
Lapuzi say whatever I don't really take it seriously, I don't understand why everyone keep picking on him alone. At the end he is not the person who sits there approving each registration and to approve who gets the bantuan.

So by that means I still don't get it if a person is old enuf jobless but no record in gov and leeching off a family for years , does the Kir needs to add him in part of Air???
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Add him in, without own income, it will be beneficial to Kir.

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post Jan 28 2024, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 28 2024, 12:54 PM)
okay. give chance to Rafizi.... the staff below does the approvals with list of criteria by the top government people.
clear on that...
second part...
it's personal level... your family issues. we cannot interfere... discuss among family  icon_rolleyes.gif
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I have a feeling, their intention is to collect all the PADU data first then determine the criteria. Ex: If they only want 30% of people to get subsidy, then they set the criterias only 30% of people is qualified to get subsidy. Very Sneaky. Unfortunately, sambutan now not hebat, see how they twist along the line.
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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Jan 28 2024, 12:59 PM)
I have a feeling, their intention is to collect all the PADU data first then determine the criteria. Ex: If they only want 30% of people to get subsidy, then they set the criterias only 30% of people is qualified to get subsidy. Very  Sneaky. Unfortunately, sambutan now not hebat, see how they twist along the line.
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people having doubt... bruce.gif

and without clear criteria... many don't want to fill up..

they said already integrated... but many said it's blank page...
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post Jan 28 2024, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(magika @ Jan 28 2024, 12:57 PM)
Add him in, without own income, it will be beneficial to Kir.
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Thank you.

I feel really strange, I am not that active in lowyat anymore but still ada je 2 ekor yg selalu je reply komen saya that gave negative impression. Sorang yg reply, sorang lagi ctu tukang click like. Patern sama je bertahun tahun. Nickname tukar selalu.

Anyway thank you so much ya.
Time for me to hilang long long time again. Bye.
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post Jan 28 2024, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(D10yrspain @ Jan 28 2024, 01:05 PM)
Thank you.

I feel really strange, I am not that active in lowyat anymore but still ada je 2 ekor yg selalu je reply komen saya that gave negative impression. Sorang yg reply, sorang lagi ctu tukang click like. Patern sama je bertahun tahun. Nickname tukar selalu.

Anyway thank you so much ya.
Time for me to hilang long long time again. Bye.
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Sorry if i gave the impression that i am pro U. Your previous statement is also a bit revolting to me. It would be nice if you rephrase it better.

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post Jan 28 2024, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(magika @ Jan 28 2024, 01:18 PM)
Sorry if i gave the impression that i am pro U. Your previous statement is also a bit revolting to me. It would be nice if you rephrase it better.
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Some people cannot accept healthy discussion, then out of the blue, resort to personal insult, then sendiri turn tail(ekor) and run. The irony. Typical of /k behavior.
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post Jan 28 2024, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Jan 28 2024, 12:59 PM)
I have a feeling, their intention is to collect all the PADU data first then determine the criteria. Ex: If they only want 30% of people to get subsidy, then they set the criterias only 30% of people is qualified to get subsidy. Very  Sneaky. Unfortunately, sambutan now not hebat, see how they twist along the line.
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like copying what US academia likes to use: bell curve grading... smile.gif

what I know is using disposal income without normalization is the wrong.
using purely active income without taking into account of passive income and net worth also wrong.

that's why I am a believer in UBI... pay everyone with a income tax file say 100 rm per month tax credit/refund, which they can take out every month, and just remove all subsidies and increase income tax by 2% absolute.
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(no one will be left behind.... hah)
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QUOTE(magika @ Jan 28 2024, 01:18 PM)
Sorry if i gave the impression that i am pro U. Your previous statement is also a bit revolting to me. It would be nice if you rephrase it better.
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u mean kopitiam standard way of "talking" right?

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jan 28 2024, 02:01 PM)
like copying what US academia likes to use: bell curve grading... smile.gif

what I know is using disposal income without normalization is the wrong.
using purely active income without taking into account of passive income and net worth also wrong.

that's why I am a believer in UBI... pay everyone with a income tax file say 100 rm per month tax credit/refund, which they can take out every month, and just remove all subsidies and increase income tax by 2% absolute.
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(no one will be left behind.... hah)
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Your wish has been granted! SST is now 8%!!

Side note: Buying small items from foreign countries online also kena tax 10% now. The other day i bought some small stuff from Shopee or Lazada, didn't realized seller from China. Then got received invoice email detailing the 10% tax (only RM 0.90, small items). Don't know how it is calculated. I paid same price on Shopee with no tax. Invoice show higher with tax....Shopee/Lazada bear the tax??? Really no idea.

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post Jan 28 2024, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Jan 28 2024, 02:08 PM)
Your wish has been granted! SST is now 8%!!

Side note: Buying small items from foreign countries online also kena tax 10% now. The other day i bought some small stuff from Shopee or Lazada, didn't realized seller from China. Then got received invoice email detailing the 10% tax (only RM 0.90, small items). Don't know how it is calculated. I paid same price on Shopee with no tax. Invoice show higher with tax....Shopee/Lazada bear the tax??? Really no idea.
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unfortunately, I am a believer in GST... there is a need for consumption tax in Malaysia... this silly SST up for this but not that is silly and inefficient... tax needs to be simple so that there are no abuses.

in same time, I see no harm in increasing income tax rate for those earning above a certain threshold (also most probably cos I am no longer working... haha).

This year I have not purchased anything from overseas yet via laz or shopee, but I think for now, the cost is being absorbed by the sellers just cos their margin is take it. Just my guess. But this is another stupid move... so called help bring 200 million rm revenue... u and I know for a country, this is pure spare change... just damn stupid this initiative and in same time causes rise in inflation. (10% can only collect 200 million, so it is only a 2 billion goods coming in only).

So at end, PADU looks like a veil attempt by gov to collect data on her citizen only... cos LHDN data should be the most accurate. just get everyone to file taxes, and the rest is easier to solve.

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jan 28 2024, 02:21 PM)
unfortunately, I am a believer in GST... there is a need for consumption tax in Malaysia... this silly SST up for this but not that is silly and inefficient... tax needs to be simple so that there are no abuses.

in same time, I see no harm in increasing income tax rate for those earning above a certain threshold (also most probably cos I am no longer working... haha).

This year I have not purchased anything from overseas yet via laz or shopee, but I think for now, the cost is being absorbed by the sellers just cos their margin is take it. Just my guess. But this is another stupid move... so called help bring 200 million rm revenue... u and I know for a country, this is pure spare change... just damn stupid this initiative and in same time causes rise in inflation. (10% can only collect 200 million, so it is only a 2 billion goods coming in only).

So at end, PADU looks like a veil attempt by gov to collect data on her citizen only... cos LHDN data should be the most accurate. just get everyone to file taxes, and the rest is easier to solve.
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Yes, i believe in GST too. But they are too shamefurul dispray to admit they're wrong. The problem with all these politikus, can never admit wrong one. GST was good, just that during Najib's time, there was poor execution and also intention to make life difficult for business (GST funds not refunded due to small couple of cent error and all sorts of reason, small business all die like that. I am sure most business would gladly accept the small error and receive RM10 less, no problem).
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it brings a lot of question.

u spend more, so u have less disposable income, and therefore eligible for subsidy? as compared to another who saves more and less expenditure, and therefore not eligible for subsidy?
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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Jan 28 2024, 02:42 PM)
it brings a lot of question.

u spend more, so u have less disposable income, and therefore eligible for subsidy? as compared to another who saves more and less expenditure, and therefore not eligible for subsidy?
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In thus youtube video, DR WEE had tell of with examples about "disposable income" issue if PADU is basing on it.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&...MWd91XPDaq8Ib4s

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