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zerorating
post Aug 9 2023, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Aug 9 2023, 06:30 PM)
Not really. Even living normal terrace house will kena if you and family all WFH aircond running all day
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if you managed to exceed 1500kwh, something is wrong with the family habit.
like what people said here, you can still utilized energy generated during the day, not like 100% go to the grid.
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post Aug 9 2023, 06:33 PM

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Lapiji said you can generate income by letting your roof become solar panel
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post Aug 9 2023, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(Doraku @ Aug 9 2023, 06:27 PM)
Also for Icing on the cake, NEM 3.0 contract is only 10 years after that any energy you exported will not be compensated for, that's mean you will need to get battery later.

Solar users kena scam kaw kaw.
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Actually solar no scam la. Whole thing is free. Plus saving after 10 years.

Like myself. Pay 40k, get back 80k within 10 years.

Easy money. 20% return. Rather than letting it sit in Fd. Only 5%.


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post Aug 9 2023, 06:33 PM

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Just change the way of using electricity at home.
Minimise water heater aircon usage.
Won't exceed 1500 even with 1 EV.
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post Aug 9 2023, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(JoeK @ Aug 9 2023, 06:27 PM)
Ok bro. Thanks

Seems like problem for the super rich live in bungalow
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Super rich doesnt care that RM200
They just want to rant a bit only
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post Aug 9 2023, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(ps3 fanboy @ Aug 9 2023, 06:33 PM)
Lapiji said you can generate income by letting your roof become solar panel
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Foresee another scam coming
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post Aug 9 2023, 06:34 PM

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Last reply. But doubt ppl will answer.
I thought the scheme was to generate more electricity to sell to tnb. And not for self usage.

I mean the cost will not justify self usage right?
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QUOTE(ps3 fanboy @ Aug 9 2023, 06:33 PM)
Lapiji said you can generate income by letting your roof become solar panel
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thats introduce middle-man business, give me your roof, we install solar panel and pay you rental fee, untung is all mine.
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post Aug 9 2023, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(submergedx @ Aug 9 2023, 06:19 PM)
The summary is that under government/TNB’s new policy ICPT, installing solar panels at home is not an investment project that can see returns in the short term.

I believe some businesses that runs solar energy will also shutting down due to the new policies issued by the government/TNB.
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I don't get why businesses get affected. The icpt above 1500kwh only applies to domestic users. Low voltage commercial still pay 0.037 per kWh.

QUOTE(zerorating @ Aug 9 2023, 06:33 PM)
if you managed to exceed 1500kwh, something is wrong with the family habit.
like what people said here, you can still utilized energy generated during the day, not like 100% go to the grid.
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Exactly, they shouldn't even be reaching 1500kwh, that's extravagance and they should rightfully pay for it.

QUOTE(kembayang @ Aug 9 2023, 06:33 PM)
Just change the way of using electricity at home.
Minimise water heater aircon usage.
Won't exceed 1500 even with 1 EV.
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Most people end up missing the point. Govt is encouraging people to use less electricity. These people ended up using more after installing solar, thinking that because I have solar I don't have to watch out for my electricity usage.

Of course government and tnb will find ways to penalize you.

This post has been edited by Kytz: Aug 9 2023, 06:37 PM
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post Aug 9 2023, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Aug 9 2023, 04:54 PM)
Thought use EV safe from world petrol fluctuatuon prices….

Manatau switch to EV TNB woso tazabar mau suprise buttseck EV users woso 😅😅😓
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post Aug 9 2023, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Aug 9 2023, 06:32 PM)
logically, yes.

because it does not matter kWh by solar or by hydro or by coal.
you put into TNB 1kWh, and you take back 1kWh. nett zero.

If export 900 and use 1800, that nett use of only 900 from non-solar.
logically TNB should only be allowed to charge ICPT for that non-solar usage.
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depend on what "logic" TNB use.. what they do is more like buying and selling of electricity... "selling" of electricity from solar user only occur when there are surplus of electricity during the day, if not, then no "selling" occur. when TNB "buy" your electricity, it is this rate. when u "buy" electricity from TNB is that rate, there's that. similar to currency. u sell to bank USD in the morning, then buy from bank USD in the night, will bank just "give back"(contra) the USD you sold earlier?
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post Aug 9 2023, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(ps3 fanboy @ Aug 9 2023, 06:33 PM)
Lapiji said you can generate income by letting your roof become solar panel
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since when a roof is money generator?
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post Aug 9 2023, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(ps3 fanboy @ Aug 9 2023, 06:33 PM)
Lapiji said you can generate income by letting your roof become solar panel
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what lapiji mention is renting out our roof space.. arguably that a better income than this "investment" shit coz you dun have to throw load of money for the installation, but rather just collect the rental fees.
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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Aug 9 2023, 06:34 PM)
Last reply. But doubt ppl will answer.
I thought the scheme was to generate more electricity to sell to tnb. And not for self usage.

I mean the cost will not justify self usage right?
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No, the scheme main point is to get people reduce their consumption by promoting local generation at people's home. Another plus for renewable energy.

TNB does not need nor want your solar power, they generate their own power just fine.

The problem is that these T20 take advantage by installing huge solar installations so that they produce excess during the day then night time they go all out on electricity usage because of that excess.

You think tnb don't incur cost to supply all that transformers that are used at night time but hardly used during the day?

If I were tnb I prefer customers without solar. Maybe they use 5kwh constantly whole day, rather than someone who generate 20kwh during the day but use 30kwh during the night. It's a no brainer who costs tnb more.
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post Aug 9 2023, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(brkli @ Aug 9 2023, 06:38 PM)
depend on what "logic" TNB use.. what they do is more like buying and selling of electricity... "selling" of electricity from solar user only occur when there are surplus of electricity during the day, if not, then no "selling" occur. when TNB "buy" your electricity, it is this rate. when u "buy" electricity from TNB is that rate, there's that. similar to currency. u sell to bank USD in the morning, then buy from bank USD in the night, will bank just "give back"(contra) the USD you sold earlier?
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i always thought NEM3 scheme "currency" is kWh.

export this many kWh, use back this many kWh.
it's just nett kWh at the end of day.

also, if generate 100% flows out to grid, then u-turn back to house.

i'm myself planning to install solar based on this understanding.

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apparently, kWh used immediately by house first, then the leftovers are the one that escapes to grid.

and now, what i can see from the bill; TNB converted the the kWh into monetary value.

and that's where the screw up happens to solar exporters.
your currency trading example becomes logical.

This post has been edited by Oltromen Ripot: Aug 9 2023, 06:45 PM
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post Aug 9 2023, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(Kytz @ Aug 9 2023, 06:42 PM)
No, the scheme main point is to get people reduce their consumption by promoting local generation at people's home. Another plus for renewable energy.

TNB does not need nor want your solar power, they generate their own power just fine.

The problem is that these T20 take advantage by installing huge solar installations so that they produce excess during the day then night time they go all out on electricity usage because of that excess.

You think tnb don't incur cost to supply all that transformers that are used at night time but hardly used during the day?

If I were tnb I prefer customers without solar. Maybe they use 5kwh constantly whole day, rather than someone who generate 20kwh during the day but use 30kwh during the night. It's a no brainer who costs tnb more.
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Install power storages. Consume the electricity from the storage, then if not enough only get from the grid.


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post Aug 9 2023, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Aug 9 2023, 06:30 PM)
Not really. Even living normal terrace house will kena if you and family all WFH and online classes aircond running all day
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I highly doubt normal terrace houses do that.

If they do, they have poor lifestyle management. The only way to solve that is to earn more.
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QUOTE(zerorating @ Aug 9 2023, 08:53 AM)
meaning TNB never agreed pay more for the solar energy. so apa masalah?
usage taken from the grid is still higher than 1500kwh.

change to renewable energy but never consider to conserve energy.
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Kah kah kah...

Same like some people say celery tarak cukup, then bawse kasi double, still tarak cukup.

Only expect to use more, not save them. What to do? What the fuck to do?
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post Aug 9 2023, 06:48 PM

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To put simply, this new surcharge tariff is designed to tax the rich. Madani government already announced months ago that T10 should not enjoy any subsidy. This is one way to make them pay.

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