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Kytz
post Aug 9 2023, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Aug 9 2023, 06:43 PM)
i always thought NEM3  scheme "currency" is kWh.

export this many kWh, use back this many kWh.
it's just nett kWh at the end of day.

also, if generate 100% flows out to grid, then u-turn back to house.

i'm myself planning to install solar based on this understanding.

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apparently, kWh used immediately by house first, then the leftovers are the one that escapes to grid.

and now, what i can see from the bill; TNB converted the the kWh into monetary value.

and that's where the screw up happens to solar exporters.
your currency trading example becomes logical.
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No offence but that's just wishful thinking on people who wants to benefit from solar.

To make it simple, think of electricity as the same as petrol.
You "make" petrol in your house during the day and sell it to Petronas.
Then you buy back petrol from Petronas during the night.

If both are to be paid based on the same rate, then that means Petronas has to pay for the delivery and storage of the petrol?
Obviously they won't want to do that.

For solar, electricity is that petrol.
And all the delivery and storage? That's the transformers, cables, generators, electrical infrastructure, etc that TNB has to maintain for you but you are not paying for when you sell your excess solar back to TNB.
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post Aug 9 2023, 06:51 PM

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Actually this policy is to ensure every household try to use lower than 1500. Solar can help to go over provided the excess are mostly morning time.

This surcharge doesn’t discriminate solar or non solar.

But this step could make ppl think solar is not worth it. In actual fact solar is still worth every penny.
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post Aug 9 2023, 06:53 PM

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If dun want icpt surcharge very easy one,
Subscribe green electricity tariff (get)
This will deduct kwh import minus export then only charge with get rate..
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QUOTE(knumskul @ Aug 9 2023, 06:47 PM)
I highly doubt normal terrace houses do that.

If they do, they have poor lifestyle management. The only way to solve that is to earn more.
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You'll be surprised what people will do when they don't have to pay for electricity.
When they have a big enough solar installation to offset the bills, they will act the same way.
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post Aug 9 2023, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(Kytz @ Aug 9 2023, 06:42 PM)
No, the scheme main point is to get people reduce their consumption by promoting local generation at people's home. Another plus for renewable energy.

TNB does not need nor want your solar power, they generate their own power just fine.

The problem is that these T20 take advantage by installing huge solar installations so that they produce excess during the day then night time they go all out on electricity usage because of that excess.

You think tnb don't incur cost to supply all that transformers that are used at night time but hardly used during the day?

If I were tnb I prefer customers without solar. Maybe they use 5kwh constantly whole day, rather than someone who generate 20kwh during the day but use 30kwh during the night. It's a no brainer who costs tnb more.
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That was not the idea at the start. Ppl actually was thinking about profiting from it

They pay an initial cost to install the solar panels and they expect to have their initial investment paid for in at most 10 years. Then the rest is bonus or free money.

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post Aug 9 2023, 06:54 PM

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One of my friend lagi kesian
Before solar. - meter register below 1500 kWh
Bill is around 500-600 ringgit
After solar. Change meter
Meter register 1800kwh
Even with the generation.
Bill is rm600++.

No change solar no problem.

This problem is because the old meter register not accurate usage. So he didn’t know his actual usage is way above 1500.

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post Aug 9 2023, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Aug 9 2023, 06:54 PM)
That was not the idea at the start. Ppl actually was thinking about profiting from it

They pay an initial cost to install the solar panels and they expect to have their initial investment paid for in at most 10 years. Then the rest is bonus or free money.
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This is still the idea. At least for me. Coz my bill still rm3 from rm600 and I don’t get the icpt surcharge.
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Aug 9 2023, 06:51 PM)
Actually this policy is to ensure every household try to use lower than 1500. Solar can help to go over provided the excess are mostly morning time. 

This surcharge doesn’t discriminate solar or non solar. 

But this step could make ppl think solar is not worth it. In actual fact solar is still worth every penny.
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yes, if it is used/install for the right conditions. if you dun use much electricity during the day, i would say better forget it. the export/selling part to TNB is not worth it.
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QUOTE(Kytz @ Aug 9 2023, 06:49 PM)
No offence but that's just wishful thinking on people who wants to benefit from solar.

To make it simple, think of electricity as the same as petrol.
You "make" petrol in your house during the day and sell it to Petronas.
Then you buy back petrol from Petronas during the night.

If both are to be paid based on the same rate, then that means Petronas has to pay for the delivery and storage of the petrol?
Obviously they won't want to do that.

For solar, electricity is that petrol.
And all the delivery and storage? That's the transformers, cables, generators, electrical infrastructure, etc that TNB has to maintain for you but you are not paying for when you sell your excess solar back to TNB.
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Yes it was this ridiculous at the start.
Tnb actually paid more for the electricity you generated.

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post Aug 9 2023, 06:55 PM

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Technically if i install solar will not want related to tnb, i will prefer buy my own battery and store the energy for my gaming PC also easily pull 400w per hour game i play ,

my purpose for solar installation just for the house light, refrigerator and other small appliances TV, console , PC ,wifi router and ceiling fan

Washing machine, hair dryer, microwave, oven, air conditioner will still use tnb grid

And is that compulsory solar must connect to tnb grid if i have my own separate electrical box, battery storage for specific purpose needs , the rest remain to tnb , will kena fine? Or illegal?

Me wanted to install but not yet

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post Aug 9 2023, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(Kytz @ Aug 9 2023, 06:53 PM)
You'll be surprised what people will do when they don't have to pay for electricity.
When they have a big enough solar installation to offset the bills, they will act the same way.
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True. They possibly forgot the initial 'payment' was the installation.
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post Aug 9 2023, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(Kytz @ Aug 9 2023, 06:42 PM)
No, the scheme main point is to get people reduce their consumption by promoting local generation at people's home. Another plus for renewable energy.

TNB does not need nor want your solar power, they generate their own power just fine.

The problem is that these T20 take advantage by installing huge solar installations so that they produce excess during the day then night time they go all out on electricity usage because of that excess.

You think tnb don't incur cost to supply all that transformers that are used at night time but hardly used during the day?

If I were tnb I prefer customers without solar. Maybe they use 5kwh constantly whole day, rather than someone who generate 20kwh during the day but use 30kwh during the night. It's a no brainer who costs tnb more.
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you need to think from customer side and not tnb side, because the one that installing and paying the price for the solar will be the customer..so those customer of cos think of their own benefits rather that benefits other ppl right? Those rich ppl with big bungalow paying few thousand ringgit of electric bill per mth, thought that by installing solar panel, their bill will be cheaper...
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post Aug 9 2023, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(zerorating @ Aug 9 2023, 06:30 PM)
then sign a new contract la.
TNB dont want to accept old equipment?
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You can't here a quote from SEDA.gov.my FAQ
Is there any tenure in the NEM contract between TNB and the NEM consumer?


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The NEM tenure will be for a period of ten (10) years on commencement of the NEM Contract. After the ten (10) years period,the solar PV Installation shall be strictly for self-consumption in the Premise where the solar PV installation is installed, and no offset and roll-over will be allowed for any excess Energy exported.


QUOTE(bee88 @ Aug 9 2023, 06:33 PM)
Actually solar no scam la. Whole thing is free. Plus saving after 10 years.

Like myself. Pay 40k, get back 80k within 10 years.

Easy money. 20% return. Rather than letting it sit in Fd. Only 5%.
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That's maybe true generally solar ROI around 5 to 10 years, but depending on your solar configuration and usage after your NEM contract ended you will be paying TNB to not using your produced solar energy leading to loss of potential payback. That would fine if you able to use all and not waste any solar energy produced.
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post Aug 9 2023, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(submergedx @ Aug 9 2023, 06:22 PM)
what business natural? Restaurant or office? Restaurant for sure die.
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No need die, just raise the food/beverages prices will do.
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QUOTE(Kytz @ Aug 9 2023, 06:42 PM)
No, the scheme main point is to get people reduce their consumption by promoting local generation at people's home. Another plus for renewable energy.
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Many who switch to renewable energy don't understand the scheme's main point.
I believe many are looking at it only from money perspective. Can save in long run.
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QUOTE(bee88 @ Aug 9 2023, 06:54 PM)
One of my friend lagi kesian
Before solar. - meter register below 1500 kWh
Bill is around 500-600 ringgit
After solar. Change meter
Meter register 1800kwh
Even with the generation.
Bill is rm600++.

No change solar no problem. 

This problem is because the old meter register not accurate usage. So he didn’t know his actual usage is way above 1500.
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your friend didnt tell the whole story. im pretty sure he use more electricity after solar installation (e.g aircond only operate 8hours/day before solar, after solar 24hours/day)
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post Aug 9 2023, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(bamboohao @ Aug 9 2023, 06:05 PM)
Tesla Malaysia did? Where’s the teaser?
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Their instagram.
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post Aug 9 2023, 07:02 PM

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Wanna win? Build house off grid in jungle and use solar. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(BrookLes @ Aug 9 2023, 06:54 PM)
That was not the idea at the start. Ppl actually was thinking about profiting from it

They pay an initial cost to install the solar panels and they expect to have their initial investment paid for in at most 10 years. Then the rest is bonus or free money.
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Yep, another common case of people only want to read what they want. (I don't mean you btw, just people in general)
Everyone conveniently neglects the bad parts.

QUOTE(bee88 @ Aug 9 2023, 06:55 PM)
This is still the idea. At least for me. Coz my bill still rm3 from rm600 and I don’t get the icpt surcharge.
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Yeah, as long as you don't change your lifestyle from before you got that solar installation, nothing changes with this ICPT.
But of course those people that wants to take advantage of solar are cursing.
Because now even with solar they can't go crazy with 24/7 A/C, heaters, heated pools, private bowling alleys, etc. whistling.gif

Government/TNB wants you to reduce your power consumption, not to install more solar.

QUOTE(BrookLes @ Aug 9 2023, 06:55 PM)
Yes it was this ridiculous at the start.
Tnb actually paid more for the electricity you generated.
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Those are early adopter benefits, same like how Lazada/Shopee started with amazing vouchers and discounts.
Nowadays they're all gone/toned down massively.


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