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post Sep 7 2023, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Sep 7 2023, 10:54 AM)
I will always keep the bike in first gear if I'm the only one at the stopped junction.  and will constantly look at the rear view mirrors.  Until there are cars stopped behind me.
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Likewise.

I'm always in gear, clutch in with left foot down, right foot on the brake.

This is best practice.

That said, it's a bit less than ideal for us right hand drive countries. Left foot down curbside means lots of sand and soft soil. But I know a lot of adv riders just step on the curb because kaki tak sampai....
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post Sep 7 2023, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Sep 7 2023, 12:57 PM)
that's ok, just don't end with one

hope to see you guys on the road someday
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I dropped the bike & fell on Z turn exercise.. due to improper control of the bike clutch, my head banged on the curb.. no serious injury.
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post Sep 7 2023, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Sep 7 2023, 01:11 PM)
I dropped the bike & fell on Z turn exercise.. due to improper control of the bike clutch, my head banged on the curb.. no serious injury.
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ouch
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post Sep 7 2023, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Sep 7 2023, 01:21 PM)
ouch
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Just mild pains & bruises on left shoulder & left knee area. Should have wear the protective gears. sad.gif
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post Sep 7 2023, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Sep 7 2023, 01:39 PM)
Just mild pains & bruises on left shoulder & left knee area.  Should have wear the protective gears. sad.gif
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ya, but if you did that during a practice, shy also la kan?
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post Sep 7 2023, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Sep 6 2023, 05:10 PM)
here's the conversation I had with a bike instructor

big bikes emergency brake is not like kapcai, no time limit, as long as you do it within the two lines

learn to use the front brake for hard braking, the rear brake don't need to cause the tyre to lock up and drag

big bike if use rear brake to lock the rear tyre, can cause it to swerve sideways and be even more dangerous

legs need to be ready to steady the bike as it approach to a full stop during the emergency ordeal, not to layan rear brake pedal
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Although what he said makes sense, problem comes during testing.

Most officers i see dont really know the law,rules in detail n just the basic bit....so they just blanket apply it.

I think to help with chances of passing, apply kapchais ruling as that is what most of the tests these officers will observe.
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post Sep 7 2023, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Sep 7 2023, 01:50 PM)
ya, but if you did that during a practice, shy also la kan?
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100% genuine fresh noob rider spotted!!! laugh.gif

I think that I might looked weird to others. Some might even think that I brag my riding gears.
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post Sep 7 2023, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Sep 7 2023, 01:50 PM)
ya, but if you did that during a practice, shy also la kan?
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my first lesson, they provided me elbow and knee armor pads when i told them its my first time ever riding a bike. denied my request to start on a kapchai and straight on the er6n.
wore it without feeling shy cuz i know if i fall...its gonna be painful, 2 hours later, the instructor told me to take it off after i got the hang of handling the bike especially clutch control (me know how it works cuz manual car driver before)
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post Sep 7 2023, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Sep 6 2023, 06:10 PM)
here's the conversation I had with a bike instructor

big bikes emergency brake is not like kapcai, no time limit, as long as you do it within the two lines

learn to use the front brake for hard braking, the rear brake don't need to cause the tyre to lock up and drag

big bike if use rear brake to lock the rear tyre, can cause it to swerve sideways and be even more dangerous

legs need to be ready to steady the bike as it approach to a full stop during the emergency ordeal, not to layan rear brake pedal
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When I took my license last time, my instructor said, "Emergency brake tu ko tekan break belakang sampai tayar slide sikit, barulah nampak emergency brake."

Poyo betul, x faham konsep. Patut la tayar belakang botak. Aku pulak bodo, main ikut je... tapi funlah gasak motor besar org lain...
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post Sep 7 2023, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(ExCrIpT @ Sep 7 2023, 04:29 PM)
my first lesson, they provided me elbow and knee armor pads when i told them its my first time ever riding a bike. denied my request to start on a kapchai and straight on the er6n.
wore it without feeling shy cuz i know if i fall...its gonna be painful, 2 hours later, the instructor told me to take it off after i got the hang of handling the bike especially clutch control (me know how it works cuz manual car driver before)
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Nobody is wearing gears in my driving school during bike exercises.
I dun want to looked like a kamen Rider to them. XD

Erm, big bike acceleration is different from normal car la.. during accelerating the bike, close the throttle can instantly feel the bike deacceleration.

For normal cars, it will have some latency to deaccelerate.
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post Sep 7 2023, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Sep 7 2023, 08:41 AM)
you had no riding experience, and went straight to B full?
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i am kapzaii rider in kampong road with no motor license (0 experience in clutch bike n big bike before)
light weight bike on sharp corner is easy but big bike i need more experience, now consider to buy one big bike play first until i used to it then only go take class for b full
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Sep 7 2023, 03:12 PM)
Although what he said makes sense, problem comes during testing.

Most officers i see dont really know the law,rules in detail n just the basic bit....so they just blanket apply it.

I think to help with chances of passing, apply kapchais ruling as that is what most of the tests these officers will observe.
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I don't remember locking the rear tyre during exam

QUOTE(yhsiau @ Sep 7 2023, 03:22 PM)
100% genuine fresh noob rider spotted!!! laugh.gif

I think that I might looked weird to others. Some might even think that I brag my riding gears.
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ATGATT lah, your body your choice
scars are not pretty and expensive to treat

QUOTE(ExCrIpT @ Sep 7 2023, 04:29 PM)
my first lesson, they provided me elbow and knee armor pads when i told them its my first time ever riding a bike. denied my request to start on a kapchai and straight on the er6n.
wore it without feeling shy cuz i know if i fall...its gonna be painful, 2 hours later, the instructor told me to take it off after i got the hang of handling the bike especially clutch control (me know how it works cuz manual car driver before)
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This is first I heard, this is good...

QUOTE(yhsiau @ Sep 7 2023, 05:50 PM)
Nobody is wearing gears in my driving school during bike exercises.
I dun want to looked like a kamen Rider to them. XD

Erm, big bike acceleration is different from normal car la.. during accelerating the bike, close the throttle can instantly feel the bike deacceleration.

For normal cars, it will have some latency to deaccelerate.
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4 stroke is like that, 2 stroke or slipper clutch will be less
high end bikes can modulate engine braking making it even lesser

QUOTE(alex000999000 @ Sep 7 2023, 07:12 PM)
i am kapzaii rider in kampong road with no motor license (0 experience in clutch bike n big bike before)
light weight bike on sharp corner is easy but big bike i need more experience, now consider to buy one big bike play first until i used to it then only go take class for b full
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I think is better

also learn at school with no road going experience caused demise of many riders
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post Sep 7 2023, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(alex000999000 @ Sep 7 2023, 07:12 PM)
i am kapzaii rider in kampong road with no motor license (0 experience in clutch bike n big bike before)
light weight bike on sharp corner is easy but big bike i need more experience, now consider to buy one big bike play first until i used to it then only go take class for b full
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Thats how I started.. got a used z250 just to learn big bike manuevers, clutch, throttle control, etc.
Just remember to install a frame slider or crash bar since you will drop the bike.
Under 10k got a lot of used 250cc for training
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post Sep 7 2023, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Sep 7 2023, 03:22 PM)
100% genuine fresh noob rider spotted!!! laugh.gif

I think that I might looked weird to others. Some might even think that I brag my riding gears.
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I think there are some difference between grading for kapchai and big bike. Instructor says for B test, you get an extra point for wearing proper moto boots.
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post Sep 7 2023, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(ZZR-Pilot @ Sep 7 2023, 05:13 PM)
When I took my license last time, my instructor said, "Emergency brake tu ko tekan break belakang sampai tayar slide sikit, barulah nampak emergency brake."

Poyo betul, x faham konsep. Patut la tayar belakang botak. Aku pulak bodo, main ikut je... tapi funlah gasak motor besar org lain...
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Big bike now got ABS. How to lockup? My test bike is a z650 ABS.
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post Sep 7 2023, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(Patent @ Sep 7 2023, 08:07 PM)
Thats how I started.. got a used z250 just to learn big bike manuevers, clutch, throttle control, etc.
Just remember to install a frame slider or crash bar since you will drop the bike.
Under 10k got a lot of used 250cc for training
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That's right. Get a cheap beater bike to practice.

Lots of used z250s... And even now you can find Dominar 400s for cheap.. maybe earlier 2018 models at 6k.

In fact the dominar is an even better learners bike. It's heavy , ungainly and has a long wheelbase. Making slow speed maneuvers even more difficult than the z650 test bike. If you can handle the Dominar, the z650 test bike is a piece of cake. Another plus is, parts are damn cheap to replace...if you do drop it...and it's a hardy machine..I laid mine down possibly over 50 times and not even a scratch on the coverset. Sure, I had to replace levers, foot pegs, shifters and the stock crash bar.....but none of those cost anywhere near 100.

This post has been edited by jaycee1: Sep 7 2023, 10:25 PM
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post Sep 7 2023, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Sep 7 2023, 10:18 PM)
Big bike now got ABS. How to lockup? My test bike is a z650 ABS.
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depends on the school kot... some places pakai vulcan and er6n
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post Sep 7 2023, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Sep 7 2023, 11:18 PM)
Big bike now got ABS. How to lockup? My test bike is a z650 ABS.
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Took my license over 20 years ago, bro.

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They still allow wearing slipper during lesson or shoe is mandatory?

For those taking B, wear proper gear. The chance of you falling is high and the bike is heavy. Any injury will prolong your time spent to get the license, and with injury, that might put you off big bike. At least you have ppl telling you from experience vs during my time.

I have experience with clutch on kapchai and yet riding on big bike is total different experience at least during the initial stage.

Got my license using the ex police bike. I believed those were Honda CBX. Some say it is easier to ride vs Virago back then.
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post Sep 9 2023, 10:23 AM

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Yesterday my teacher keep asking me go faster and faster at emergency brake until I dropped the bike again. Luckily not a scratch.

Then some other teacher saw and he kena tiao again. Last last ask me to ignore it, just make sure the rear tyre screech a bit when braking ok dy. laugh.gif

Thinking back it's impossible la because the best I can do without crashing is 4.43 secs. That's almost out of the box dy. sweat.gif

My test is at 13th sept. Wish me luck ya. thumbup.gif

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