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acid_head
post Nov 18 2023, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Nov 18 2023, 01:22 PM)
Before titi
If you can , learn to balance the bike at stand still/almost stop

Then learn about riding very slow slow, and slightly dragging the rear brakes at the same time.  This helpsb to keep the bike straight and more balance at very very slow speed.
And while you are going through titi, look straight ahead... Look where you want to go.
Never look directly on the front wheels.
Look further ahead.
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I just bought a kapcai. Trying to do balancing at slow speed riding during night time now. But I know is totally different riding experience on big bike, but just give a try.

Another thing I found is a aged uncle like me, tend to became a slow learner compared to a youngster I saw at the academy. Really can feel the differences. biggrin.gif
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post Nov 18 2023, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(acid_head @ Nov 18 2023, 06:10 PM)
yup. There is another yellow line at the rear. The rear tyre cannot touch the yellow line, that is the furthest line. I guess i need have to train more.

Do you own a big bike after you got your license?
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Not yet haha..... Still thinking what kind of bike I want to get. biggrin.gif
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post Nov 18 2023, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(acid_head @ Nov 18 2023, 07:35 PM)
I just bought a kapcai. Trying to do balancing at slow speed riding during night time now. But I know is totally different riding experience on big bike, but just give a try.

Another thing I found is a aged uncle like me, tend to became a slow learner compared to a youngster I saw at the academy. Really can feel the differences.  biggrin.gif
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Just enjoy the learning process.
You'll learn faster this way.
acid_head
post Nov 18 2023, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(Si kutu rayau @ Nov 18 2023, 07:54 PM)
Not yet haha..... Still thinking what kind of bike I want to get. biggrin.gif
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Oh. that's mean you don't have any bike to train at home before you for the JPJ test?
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post Nov 18 2023, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(acid_head @ Nov 18 2023, 08:01 PM)
Oh. that's mean you don't have any bike to train at home before you for the JPJ test?
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Ya, when I took the license I have 0 experience with clutch bikes. tongue.gif

This post has been edited by Si kutu rayau: Nov 18 2023, 09:05 PM
acid_head
post Nov 18 2023, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Nov 18 2023, 07:59 PM)
Just enjoy the learning process.
You'll learn faster this way.
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Yup, I'm enjoying it actually. So far even I'm not passing all the course but still enjoying. Hopefully I can pass in first try.
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post Nov 18 2023, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(Si kutu rayau @ Nov 18 2023, 09:04 PM)
Ya, when I took the license I have 0 experience with clutch bikes. tongue.gif
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Wow, cool.
I was a kampung rider with no license. Now plan to take B2 license since no need to take KPP01. But all my members told me just straight go B full and don't waste the time in case I wanted to upgrade in future. biggrin.gif
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post Nov 25 2023, 09:31 AM

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Guys, wanna ask your opinion. My condo motor parking entrance is quite tight and narrow. It have to through narrow 90 degree turn before reach the parking bay. How to actually turn big heavy bike , especially newbie like me? There some big bike like Tracer 900 but I dont have chance to see how the owner turn in there.
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post Nov 25 2023, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(acid_head @ Nov 25 2023, 09:31 AM)
Guys, wanna ask your opinion. My condo motor parking entrance is quite tight and narrow. It have to through narrow 90 degree turn before reach the parking bay. How to actually turn big heavy bike , especially newbie like me? There some big bike like Tracer 900 but I dont have chance to see how the owner turn in there.
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position yourself so that the bike has enough clearance for the narrow space, turn the handlebar all the way before moving, then slowly release the clutch at biting point so the bike can move slowly while turning
make sure both of your legs are able to reach the ground to help stabilize the bike

warning: do not hold the clutch while turning because your wheel will lose power and this is how you get jatuh bodo

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post Nov 26 2023, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(Patent @ Nov 25 2023, 09:40 AM)
position yourself so that the bike has enough clearance for the narrow space, turn the handlebar all the way before moving, then slowly release the clutch at biting point so the bike can move slowly while turning
make sure both of your legs are able to reach the ground to help stabilize the bike

warning: do not hold the clutch while turning because your wheel will lose power and this is how you get jatuh bodo
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Thanks for your tips.
By the way i really thought that i have to play with clutch during slow moving including hold clutch.I would really do that if i feel unbalance.

So while turning sharp corner / slow moving corner, i cannot hold the clutch at all?
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QUOTE(acid_head @ Nov 26 2023, 09:02 PM)
Thanks for your tips.
By the way i really thought that i have to play with clutch during slow moving including hold clutch.I would really do that if i feel unbalance.

So while turning sharp corner / slow moving corner, i cannot hold the clutch at all?
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what i meant to say is dont fully pull the clutch during turning.. but hold it at the biting point where it is giving power to the rear wheel slowly
see example below, start at 5:11
video is about u-turn but same apply for sharp turn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5YjBRjv_b8&t=311s



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post Nov 29 2023, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(Patent @ Nov 26 2023, 09:38 PM)
what i meant to say is dont fully pull the clutch during turning.. but hold it at the biting point where it is giving power to the rear wheel slowly
see example below, start at 5:11
video is about u-turn but same apply for sharp turn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5YjBRjv_b8&t=311s


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Good video. I really thought that Iu have to make fully disengage the clutch during slow turn. I never thought it will cause jatuh bodo. Thanks for your tip.

Does it apply to the B full license course at 8 figure & sharp turn? Have to engage the clutch at the bitting point during the turn?
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QUOTE(acid_head @ Nov 29 2023, 10:45 PM)
Good video. I really thought that Iu have to make fully disengage the clutch during slow turn. I never thought it will cause jatuh bodo. Thanks for your tip. 

Does it apply to the B full license course at 8 figure & sharp turn? Have to engage the clutch at the bitting point during the turn?
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sharp turn yes
but for 8-turn you can just let the engine run while not holding the clutch, that one more about body positioning
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post Nov 30 2023, 01:29 AM

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QUOTE(acid_head @ Nov 29 2023, 10:45 PM)
Good video. I really thought that Iu have to make fully disengage the clutch during slow turn. I never thought it will cause jatuh bodo. Thanks for your tip. 

Does it apply to the B full license course at 8 figure & sharp turn? Have to engage the clutch at the bitting point during the turn?
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On low speed, you have to keep feeding power to the wheel by letting the clutch slip. Control your speed with the rear brake. Don't be tempted to use the front brake in a low speed turn or u turn.. The second you touch the front brake, it will just kill momentum and transfer weight to the front inside turn and down you go.

For tight corners, you need to counter lean some. The more lean, the tighter the turn you will be able to turn.

The first 50km when I got my bike was all parking lot drills. Low speed stuff. Figure 8s. U turns. Dropped it a few times. Only after I got my "L" 2 weeks later did I venture out. That 2 week practice made such a big difference in confidence.

Making a u turn on a steep incline/decline still mucks me up sometimes with the bike fully loaded up.
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post Nov 30 2023, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Nov 30 2023, 01:29 AM)
On low speed, you have to keep feeding power to the wheel by letting the clutch slip. Control your speed with the rear brake. Don't be tempted to use the front brake in a low speed turn or u turn.. The second you touch the front brake, it will just kill momentum and transfer weight to the front inside turn and down you go.

For tight corners, you need to counter lean some. The more lean, the tighter the turn you will be able to turn.

The first 50km when I got my bike was all parking lot drills. Low speed stuff. Figure 8s. U turns. Dropped it a few times. Only after I got my "L" 2 weeks later did I venture out. That 2 week practice made such a big difference in confidence.

Making a u turn on a steep incline/decline still mucks me up sometimes with the bike fully loaded up.
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Just want to ask if normal for driving school to ask you go second gear on most part of the courses?

I mean the first part that have titi and figure 8 turns. Understood you need to be fast for the emergencies brake part but how about other part?

Or the instructors just assume kapcai style applied to b full too?

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post Nov 30 2023, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(minizian @ Nov 30 2023, 09:15 AM)
Just want to ask if normal for driving school to ask you go second gear on most part of the courses?

I mean the first part that have titi and figure 8 turns. Understood you need to be fast for the emergencies brake part but how about other part?

Or the instructors just assume kapcai style applied to b full too?
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ya just go with 2nd gear.
emergency brake u start wit 1st gear la.
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post Nov 30 2023, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Nov 30 2023, 11:03 AM)
ya just go with 2nd gear.
emergency brake u start wit 1st gear la.
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My emergency brake also start with 2nd gear. Ok je. biggrin.gif
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post Nov 30 2023, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(minizian @ Nov 30 2023, 09:15 AM)
Just want to ask if normal for driving school to ask you go second gear on most part of the courses?

I mean the first part that have titi and figure 8 turns. Understood you need to be fast for the emergencies brake part but how about other part?

Or the instructors just assume kapcai style applied to b full too?
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Instructors ask you to do 2nd gear for the plain reason most newer riders haven't mastered clutch slip and throttle control leading to a jerky on/off ride.

Proper way to go ride low speed is constant throttle and control power delivery with only the clutch, and speed with rear brake. Quite a lot of bikes have a very on off throttle engagement in the first 10% opening, leading to a very jerky ride. You need to use the clutch to smooth it out.

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post Dec 2 2023, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Nov 30 2023, 01:29 AM)
On low speed, you have to keep feeding power to the wheel by letting the clutch slip. Control your speed with the rear brake. Don't be tempted to use the front brake in a low speed turn or u turn.. The second you touch the front brake, it will just kill momentum and transfer weight to the front inside turn and down you go.

For tight corners, you need to counter lean some. The more lean, the tighter the turn you will be able to turn.

The first 50km when I got my bike was all parking lot drills. Low speed stuff. Figure 8s. U turns. Dropped it a few times. Only after I got my "L" 2 weeks later did I venture out. That 2 week practice made such a big difference in confidence.

Making a u turn on a steep incline/decline still mucks me up sometimes with the bike fully loaded up.
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Thanks for sharing.
Btw, how did you ride to the parking lot at the first place? Since you mention you go out after got the L license.

Mind to share what is the bike you use for practice?
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post Dec 2 2023, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(acid_head @ Dec 2 2023, 09:23 AM)
Thanks for sharing.
Btw, how did you ride to the parking lot at the first place? Since you mention you go out after got the L license.

Mind to share what is the bike you use for practice?
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Condo parking lot lor. Plenty of space to practice, 8s, u turns. Practice pick up the bike. ;p

I bought a dominar 400. Still have it after 2.5 years. Over due for an upgrade next year.

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