Hai guys, lama tak buka tered pasal kereta. As some u know, I sold my old Suprima earlier. And had it replaced with an EV.




Why EV/BYD Atto 3?

- Want something with similar characteristic as Suprima, big boot space, huge rear legroom, must have many features such as pano roof, AEB, lane keep, adaptive cruise etc etc

- Need to be powerful (over 160hp) yet with minimal maintenance

- I dont have any kampung to balik to, so no range anxiety, even if need to go for that maybe twice a year out of KL trips, can take other car

- To carry stuffs when needed, other cars at home boot too small to fit large item



- Looked at competitors:

Honda HRV : 140k car with Honda City Interior, seats too firm, boot too small and CVT puik. Honda CRV: Too old

Mazda CX-30 : Cramped interior, Boot too small

Peugeot 3008/VW Tiguan : Not much features to play with, no adaptive cruise control, AEB etc etc

Ora Good Cat: Boot too small, slow charging.

CHARGING, How much does it cost?

- Over a month, I only driven 1535km




And here is my home energy usage




Roughly RM 120++ for 1500km distance, this I set my wallbox charging app to count using TNB highest block electricity tariff. I also charge outside when I go mall to makan, charging outside is free, only pay for parking.

My fav is Sunway Velocity and Wangsa Walk




Sounds cheap right? Actually is not, because to upgrade my house electricity (RCB/MCCB from 40amps to 63amps) since my house was from the 80's cost RM3.5k, the wallbox itself is free from BYD, but installation cost is Rm1.2k.

Where is the furthest you've ever driven it?

- Not far, furthest is from home to KLIA then straight to Seremban. then pusing2 seremban town. around 140-150km.. Battery left 70%

- Stayed at Royale Chulan Seremban, they allow 3 pin charging there. So plug in at night, next day checkout battery already fully charged, again... Free of Charge

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So yeah, this is my experience with EV now. Feel free to ask anything in regards to EV or even the car itself. Ill answer it truthfully, unbiased based on my personal POV.

This post has been edited by Boy96: Jun 19 2023, 04:58 AM

if u can choose again, hybrid or fulll ev?

Have you tried to sleep in it while turning on AC? This is the only advantage for me to travel around.

Since it's only been a month, can't feel battery degradation yet?

I found BYD designs are always at least 5 years backwards, how do you like the designs?

Full ev to save on maintainance cost.

if its my only car, maybe hybrid (actually dont like hybrid, see 330e,a6 hybrid, c350e so many issues). But since my house got few other cars to use, then I would still go for full EV.
Take full advantage of the tax free status, free roadtax, currently most ev charging station at malls are not at full utilized so easy parking in malls, and get tax rebate on home charger..

Yes, that is also one of the reason I chose EV, because while waiting for people can sleep in the car with AC on, tried, no issues

BYD Design is considered safe design to me, not too offensive but not too boring either.

Battery degradation wise, I have been following BYD owners group Thailand, over there got Atto 3 already travel 160k km, but less than 5%

This post has been edited by Boy96: Jun 19 2023, 05:05 AM

1. How long do you intend to keep the EV before selling?
2. Insurance include perils coverage?
3. What is this house amp? Is normal 3 phase enough? Cannot use existing electric setup?
4. How long does it take to charge? Looks like cost is half of petrol.
5. Does charging time affect your schedule? Need to hunt for EV bays? Need to queue? Since you mentioned need to sleep in car. Do you have dependents/running errands?
6. How much does battery replacement cost?
7. Battery degradation <5 years for Thailand in a year? That is steep really.
8. How much is the service cost? How much does the major service cost? Average cost of service for 200k km mileage? For me it is RM1.1K average until 200k km.

Looking at the car budget there, you could actually get a fairly recent used sorento/sportage diesel. But then used car la. First time using diesel, I like it.

Like you, I am an ex suprima owner 2013. Sold 2017 for RM42K. Bought a Kia Sorento UM diesel. 7 seat SUV. My fuel cost is half of suprima. Full tank Euro 5 diesel RM140. I get 750km in town. I refuel full tank every 6 weeks town driving. I drive everyday, though the distance is about 20+km. Long distance, I get 900+ km. If I stick to speed limit and like 90 km, can pass 1000 km range. I have to do long distance balik Kampung few times a year. Kota Bharu - Batu Pahat/Kuala Pilah. Only half tank used. Suprima, need to refuel halfway. Since I am in Kota Bharu, there are only 2 free public charging stations in KB. Nothing anywhere else in Kelantan. EV for my case will not work, unless distance exceeds 1000km due to the long distance travel. Also this is my only car. Good all rounder.

This post has been edited by mystvearn: Jun 19 2023, 05:43 AM

How would you compare the drive and handling to an ICE car? Insta torque enjoyable?

Did they give you a service schedule? It should be less times than ICE IINM.

1. Probably around 10 years

2. Yes. Insurance cost the same as regular car

3. Most houses are single phase, they recommend if u have more than 3 airconds should upgrade to 3 phase, my house have 6 airconds but only 3 airconds running most of the time, wanted to upgrade to 3 phase but macam kena con by electrician saying will cost 8-10k to upgrade, i checked other people less than 4k can kawtim already, 3 phase also good if u have plan to install solar panel later as suruhanjaya tenaga limits the capacity of solar if u only use single phase

4. If from empty which usually never the case, since u can plug in every day. Should take around 8 hours. But for me I like to charge when the battery gets to 60%. And the wallbox can set the ampere on how fast to charge, maximum is 32 amps. I usually set under 10amps since i dont need it to charge quickly. Thus reducing the load of my house electricity

5. Totally not, i most of the time charge at home only. Outside charging only when i find a free one. The sleep in car part is because I usually send my family members for them to run their errands, so instead of following them, I just stay in the car enjoy aircond and watch netflix on the big centre screen

6. No clue how much, but all i know is very easy to total loss the car if accident, once hit the battery pack insurance will consider beyond economic repair, thus why taking agreed value insurance very important

7. No idea on this, 5% for 160k km travelled seems very low to me. My suprima almost 10 years when I sold it the mileage was less than 130k km

8. This also no idea, the first inspection service at 5k km is free, the next service is every year or 20k km whichever comes first. Got someone in byd club malaysia service 20k km kena rm300.

List of service item is just aircond cabin filter, reduction gear oil, brake fluid and coolant

P/S: managed to sell the Suprima for 16k only

This post has been edited by Boy96: Jun 19 2023, 06:26 AM

Unlike other EV, this BYD is setup to mimic a regular ICE car. So no fast acceleration feeling unless u enter sport mode..

Handling wise, its so so so damn comfortable when driving normally, lalu pothole also no feel, my passengers everytime naik kereta will fall asleep... but its a typical china car setup, cannot take corner one body roll quite heavy and lifeless overassisted steering feel. It feels stable though coz the battery pack is on the floor.. It feels similar as my family bmw g28 330Li, a China market car. Heck, i tested on Suke highway, the bmw rolls even more than the BYD

No given service schedule, based on current owner feedback, first service at 5k km is free, then next service is every 20k km or 1 year, need to pay but dunno how much

This post has been edited by Boy96: Jun 19 2023, 06:13 AM

What is the best feature in your car?

What is the most useless feature in your car?

Best

- super duper clear 360 camera
- adaptive cruise control with stop n go, very stress free in the jam, on a 300k bmw this needs to be retrofitted outside and will cost almost 20k to do it
- very nice sounding stock audio system, beats the hell out of stock BMW audio
- phone app to control the car lock unlock start on aircond, on a bmw all these need to pay subscription to access, this one free
- V2L feature means can go camping bring all electrical items, car becomes a giant powerbank
- centre screen is essentially an android tablet with play store, can watch netflix YouTube disney+ etc etc

So far no useless features yet, but i turned off lane departure warning though. Very annoying, unlike german car that just vibrates the steering, this car damn loud beeping siren

This post has been edited by Boy96: Jun 19 2023, 06:20 AM

U mean u can switch on the aircon n screen while charging n engine is off? Can do this for 6 to 8 hours if at camping?
Are the seats comfortable for sleeping, at least recline by 60deg?

This post has been edited by MGM: Jun 19 2023, 06:42 AM

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wait til road tax for ev vehicle is formalized... we will see how many ev owners will switch back to normal combustion car

Hopefully Loke gets to fine-tune the road tax structure before the exemption ends. Though the Atto3 should be RM903 based on current Tax structure. Boy96 willing to pay?

infotainment laggy or not? still have physical buttons or everything is touchscreen?

Very thorough sharing.

All speed adaptive cruise control 2017 JDM Toyota Chr already have. Yours will auto resume? Mine will need to step on the pedal or press a button to resume when the car has come to a complete stop

This post has been edited by tolongking: Jun 19 2023, 07:22 AM

Where would you choose the first destination for a long trip in an EV & why?
Thanks man for doing this.

is it true BYD owners have higher tendency to ajak drag race at traffic light?

Jokes aside, how's the acceleration from zero? What kind of car comes close (to its acceleration trait)?

Also not mentioned if yours is SR or ER, but looks like ER from the rims. Range given is 420km based on WLTP. If you have measured, what would be the energy consumption or total range for different speed range, i.e. at 90km/hr, 110km/hr, 130km/hr and 150km/hr?

What's your current view on the DC chargers availability, reliability, user experience and cost for outstation travel, and especially north of KL like KL-PNG? From observation, KL-JHR route has relatively higher number of DC chargers, and severely lack of charging facilities for interstate travel considering the number of EVs on the road.

De fook.

Rm903...

Look else where dulu...

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Awesome info! Thanks.
Can't wait for more review when you do the 20k service.

nice read. thanks for sharing . I have a couple of questions TS

1. when left charging, is it possible for theft ? how is the security of the car

2. you will consider using this car until when?

3. how is the service centre/ maintenance experience?

So far is it difficult for you to find charging port in the city? Or usually able to drive whole day till night time only charge?
And also the risk of people tampering the charging using 3 pin like you show above, feel not so safe.
That's my concern of EV currently cuz the facilities still very new and scarce

how much to install charger at home...?

Good sharing

Good info. Fact is in Malaysia no one can share a more study cause in general EV only in Msia for couple of years. Need to wait 10-20 years before anyone can share the full journey inc battery lifespan and efficiency in charging and performance.

Good sharing. Keep it up.

EV still need to service yearly?

Most importantly can softmode or not?

Yes, not the motor/engine but the brake, a/c, wiper, etc...more like inspection

Ora Good Cat is RM287. Though 143ps compared to Atto 3's 204PS. They really need to re-scale the calculation so that Good Cat is the "Affordable" benchmark.

vonder how they guage the fee, ICE guage by cc hmmm

That car design ain't ma cup of tea...

KWh if not mistaken...

Oddly, ice car is by cc.

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Neta V then. RM60 road tax only, though trading off performance.

Since now you don't hear engine noise, do you find the tyre road roaring and wind noise crazily loud?

KWH higher, battery heavier?

nice 1 TS, i was fiddling with my sister's car yesterday, and all i can say is eco mode not human use 1 ... voice command is pretty good, ride is pretty good, and yes it does feel floaty but center of gravity is there due to the battery placement.

overall this car boleh pakai

What’s the total electricity bill looks like in your home? Are you hitting the maximum tier even without the EV charging?

byd used alot as cab in china. some hitting 700k km in 4-5 years and battery degradation is around 20-30% for them after 700k km.

the reverse charging/power is byd patent and most china cars bought the pattern but not tesla. therefore tesla cannot reverse charging/power.

but good thing is u can slp inside ev pasang aircon dont need to worry about CO poisoning

Your tire is meant for EV?

I know you haven't change it but how much is the retail price?

Brake need servicing? Come on... If change battery coolant, still can understand but brakes? Even with regenerative braking, I dont think there is much to check anyway.

have you ever bump into a situation you couldnt find a charger?

Inspection. You may not change it everytime during service interval...you still need to pay labour for that...

This post has been edited by knwong: Jun 19 2023, 09:02 AM

Do you feel the interior is ugly? the dashboard looks like titans muscle in attack on titan?

The exterior is quite nice though

when you bought your EV, does it come along with a free charger package?

if not how much is a charger ?

Abang meganon want buy EV? gooding

welcome to EV
been driving more than a year already

ur byd can go outstation easily, u need to try it to overcome any range anxiety u have.. many byd members travel to thai, really envy them bachelors lol..

going down south is a lot easier, almost every 50-100km got dcfc, no worries

eastcoast is doable too if u know where to charge/plan etc.

poket nipis bro..

also thanks to TS i just know need to upgrade my house electric thing coz my house oso same like TS (80's), that one oso very costing hnggh

My only question is why choose that color.

u buy normal or extended range?

How often you engage stop n go? At the traffic light, does it smoothly accelerate or sluggish, frustrating the cars behind?

Got waiting period?

Parking, may consider EV car in future.

i kinda like that color. haha

charging at royal chulan there need asking permission? they allow it?

All car co; will comeout a lot of bullshit service item to get money. After service is good profit generates. Car selling profit is very less and some sell for loss.

Boy96

this ev , hows the resale value?
future predicament

You mean V2L? V2L already in kia ev6 and ioniq 5.

Can you try to overnight in the car with ac on.
How much battery consumed?

Yep, battery power density a bitch right now...

Kete ni boleh pickup awek ke?

I will just wait for more haha

All these weird ass name/brand I never heard of until now...

tried parking your car under hot sun during this weather and then drive it?

any issues / symptoms of battery might over temp and end up cant start the car or cant drive with full function?

so common house 3 din plug power point already can charge ???..

yes, but not for tesla. i dont know why tesla not willing to pay that patent up. quite a good feature.

maybe they wanna develop their own, but 2023 liao their cars still do not support V2L.

byd patented it in 2012 and 2017 open up the patent to the rest of the rivals, provided they pay up la.

byd now going for car to car charging. means if ur car no battery half way, another ev can come and charge your ev up.

This post has been edited by darkterror15: Jun 19 2023, 10:10 AM

how come out side(wangsa walk and velocity) charger free? i thought all have to paid , can further explain?

recently i saw a lot of VVIP plates(single number plate) change their car from ICE to EV
but not to china brand but to BMW or merc


yes, same service schedule as ICE but inspection only

but there is 1 thing i notice nobody around us talked about
but i saw people in HK talked about it already which i don't know is part of the service schedule or not
which is to remove carbon buildup from the electric motor

because from their BMW iX xDrive40 review video, they need to remove the carbon buildup at the motor within a period of time as maintenance

always can but it depends how much u travel to be feasible or not
if u travel longer distance, you'll always see your range keep getting lesser and lesser each day
because your charging speed cannot keep up with your distance traveled
this indicate u need a faster charging box at your home

I thought all EV use brushless motor

This article I found https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a3949...tors-explained/

BMW try to be different...the hefty price to pay for being different

has your driving style changed ever since moving from ICE to EV?

coasting....

what about tyres, tyre usage, tyre wear and EV specific tyres?

then mean single phase already can liao,.. no need 3 phase ???

i'm not into EV until that in depth yet so i'm asking
because i notice nobody talked about it and everybody thought all EVs are really maintenance free...just inspection only padahal there are things owners need to be watchful about

but at the same time...they say that BMW design made the accelerator pedal feels more natural instead of the usual weird EV pedal feeling


like i said it really depends on your usage
of course, if possible always get the highest one instead of the lowest one

if u ask me, a normal car driver, u definitely cannot rely on wall plug...u need to invest in a faster charging station at home
unless your usage is really really low

This post has been edited by MR_alien: Jun 19 2023, 10:56 AM

Yeah.. hopefully before end of 2024 Kia Niro EV or Hyundai Kona Electric next gen launched here. Or the slim chance the Volvo EX30 or Peugeot e3008 is sub 200k for me.

how much to replace the battery

Owh.. interesting.. never knew you can charge EV using other EV.

1) do outside mechanics know how to do tyre alignment or install Ah Beng accessories?

2) does it have regular "fuse board" where we can tap 12V power for say, dash cams?

3) insurance premium - for your brand new car, what is the comparable new ICE vehicle in terms of premium paid? Is there any loading for EV since batteries are vulnerable in a serious accident as you mentioned?

4) does the car drive like a regular ICE car? Would you be comfortable lending it to someone who has never driven an EV, or handing over to the tyre shop mechanic for alignment test drive?

If charging EV car in mall, u not afraid that those itchy hands pull away your charger? Then when u was about to collect your car, u see that ur car already stop charging

Yes can. But the LED DRL will be on so might blind others when doing so

I am confident it wont go that high lah. Even if it is, its still cheaper than my current peugeot maintenance of couple of thousands in repair every other month

Very responsive almost ipad like, for an android based head unit. Almost everything is controlled by the touchscreen unfortunately

Yeah need to step pedal or flick switch

KL to Johor very easy as most of the rnr heading there has charger already

Always curious about these new gen EV cars :
1. Is there difference in RCB/MCCB 40amps vs 63amps aside from charging speed? i assume its like mobilephone fast vs normal charging
2. So far how is resale value / depreciation like compare to non EV ? Retail vs sell price
3. if more people buy EV, meaning charging bays at malls /public places will be unavailable most of time?
4. I heard the fast charging areas in petrol stations are available, but the usage price is not cheap vs petrol ?
5. Also heard that EV battery should not charge above 80% to preserve the life and reduce degradation ?
6. The own charger/cables at public places 3pin plug, can be stolen easily i assume (example pic below from TS) ?
7. saw roadshow for ATTO3 in 1utama, what is difference between STANDARD (rm150K) vs EXTENDED (rm168K)?
8. any discounts or freebies given during purchase ?





This post has been edited by gaijin: Jun 19 2023, 11:23 AM

i like TS thread instead of those EV pro sembang kencang.

It is maintenance free if brushless motor. Think of your ceiling or standing fan. Since when we ever need to do maintenance for those

Actually BYD drag race at traffic light is the worse, the throttle response is not instant, a myvi confirm will smoke it the first few meters upon green light coz u know how sensitive myvi throttle pedal is. But yes manage to do 0-100 in around 7seconds-ish

It is ER, I have not measured the consumption but I was told anything above 120km/h really drains the battery badly

KL - JHR no problem, to Penang theres no charger in between KL and Tapah, after that there is Simpang Pulai but its too expensive at rm4/minute, to east coast definitely lacking charger, but still possible to arrive in kuantan without charging lah or just 10 minutes stop at Gambang. But its not possible to use Gua Musang

Have to wait next year coz my mileage very low one

1. No, the charging cable is locked to the car when charging

2. 10 years

3. From other owners they say no issues, done quite fast since actually nothing to be serviced, just inspection

In KL very2 easy to find charge port. Just download the app called Plugshare to see where is the nearest charging location, but for me no use lah all those charge port since can just go back home to charge

If using 3 pin the cable will still lock to the car when charging, but theres a possibility someone turn off the switch lah

Already mentioned, rm1.2k for installation only

Kasi like for a quality thread. Look like EV is setup to be a viable second car for day to day drive within the city, provided the house can install the charging port. Would love to see the feedback after 2-3 years I think that's the time we really know if EV can really be the future in Malaysia.

Will pause answering, got meeting. Later continue. Just continue posting your questions

Chicken and egg situation. TS pun mentioned currently EV charging bays aren't that packed because EVs are still rare.

Infrastructure providers may wait for more demand before investing, would-be users pulak wait for more charging infrastructure before buying EVs.

So it's only a viable option for those with spare cars for outstation trips.

how's the L2 auto driving compared to x50? can it keep centered in lane, turn corners well

This post has been edited by ycs: Jun 19 2023, 11:32 AM

Bro, why you no buy Hyundai Ioniq 5 or Kia EV6?

I am planning to buy those EV cars with at least 800V charging architecture. BYD, Tesla, BMW, Merc & etc all are using typical 400V.
800V means FASTER DC charging time compare to 400V.

Example, Hyundai Ioniq 5 can do ~18mins from 20-80% compare to others.
Others might take ~30mins or so.

18mins for me is quite fast for DC fast charging an EV car.

But i scare the roadtax EV after 2025. Will wait and see how gov going to revise the price. If EV cars will use EMISSION TAX and will be much cheaper than my current honda city hybrid 1.5 RM90 per year, shadap and take my money already.

But nice sharing by the way & enjoy your EV experience.

Hybrid > all
Honda > all