U did an in depth analysis into what is the Ideal package u need, and it is far away from ur ideal. Now they just offer u another 3K more and already enough to cause u a dilemma?

as someone pointed out above, u really got to mature in ur decisions.

58k is actually a very good level of salary as long as you're not based in London.

Jaguar Land Rover pays £44 - £52k for a CAE engineer
JLR CAE job

I'm guessing thats a Tier 1 supplier?

Remember that in the UK, your NI contributions go into state pension (£203.85 per week when you retire), and your employer is also giving contributions to private pension.

The upside is if you actually know what you're doing in your job, you can climb the corporate ladder very fast thanks to the employment of thousands of "engineers" from India and Romania that dont actually know how to do their job.

I've been working in the automotive industry in UK for >10 years, I love it and I hate it

I can assure you that in sg the pay package is going to be much better and his family probably do not need to relocate since they are based on JB anyway

But according to him sg sux. I mean why would you relocate to UK at that kind of pay when you can go to Sg with a higher pay but with lower tax, and the family does not need to relocate.

That kind of salary minus the tax is pretty much the same salary in sg to be honest. In fact sg probably can pay higher.

Low, good if you already there and jobless.

Else stay far cheaper Malaysia.

RM1k in Malaysia is alot more than RM1k in UK

Own self do calculation, own self panic when they still lowball you.

TS, you are obviously worried you might be missing on some grand scale shit by not moving to the UK, but UK is also a shithole if you are poor there.

Given they couldn't even up your ask, that means your ceiling is going to be around £5-6k max.

If your position is as niche as you mentioned, it shouldn't be hard to push a salary of 20k in Malaysia or at least 12-13k SGD.

A 20k salary is easily better than a 5k salary in London.

People want the angmo lifestyle. Tell people he works in the UK is better than he working in Singapore. Currency also bang bang.

This thread will go to page 12 and ts will still have dilemma.

This post has been edited by gashout: Jun 14 2023, 03:56 AM

Hahaha, I thought my "Dilemma" was only bugging me, sorry guys! XD

Anyway, I have declined the offer. So the case is now closed.

To give a little context into why the Dilemma when it's a straightforward decision. I'm an automotive guy by career and passion. I grew up around cars, my grandpa had a workshop, I did part-time mechanic
Graduated in Automotive Engineering, worked as an Automotive Engineer in Vehicle Structural and Passive Safety for 10 years. In the US, most of my work has been consulting and doing research work for US Gov Department of Transport on Crash Regulations, Safety Standards etc. Most of my work is published on their website, something I'm really proud of, a handy show-off material
And if you or your loved ones were involved in a major car accident and came out unscratched (or at least not dead), you can thank me (and many others from this field). Don't have to be a Doc to save lives.

Returning to Malaysia, I knew the choices in the auto industry are super limited and the pay in the industry (even globally) is generally low. I did manage to land an interview in Bufori Motors in Kepong,KL, I thought I nailed the interview - got them excited - but they only came back to me 4 months later asking if I have accepted another job (which I have and already settled down in JB from KL).
My current job has nothing to do with automotive but it pays well, great benefit package, and life in Jb is less busy than KL.
But I have to say, I miss my time being around or working on cars.

Out of the blue, Mclaren UK came calling. It's not UK, or 5.6x MYR, or angmoh lifestyle that has intrigued me. It's just a chance to return to the Auto Industry, that too for a high-end brand.
The offer isn't low by UK or auto industry standards, just the cost of living is relatively high. I was trying to find any justification for me to make the move.
If I was single, I would have packed my bags. But I do not want to reduce the financial freedom that my family are having now.
I took a risk before when I had nothing, it turned out well. Now, too much at stake, can't afford to do it the 2nd time.
Will I ever regret this decision...I don't know.

Couple of guys here have been really helpful, so thanks to you all.

and by the way Brookles - I didn't say Sg sux la, I said no interest to work there only

that's me, doing autopsy on a damned truck!


This post has been edited by Kakistok: Jun 14 2023, 09:55 PM

What happened to the other local offer, that seems like a better choice isn't it?

haven't heard from them. I know there is currently one German expat who is holding that position temporarily till September. so there is still time.
my career field is small - pusing2 we see the same faces.

You seem to have the experience and portfolio to demand what you deserve and desire. Dont worry about opportunities, they will come to you

But now that you've mentioned its Mclaren..... ever considered working there yourself without bringing your family? I scoffed at this idea when someone suggested it previously, but the company actually made me have a double take on it

This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Jun 14 2023, 09:36 PM

I have thought about it, and even my wife told me to go first and experience it.
But yea, just can't pull the trigger.

if your wife supports it.... why not? Not many Msians are able to boast in their CV that they've worked with Mclaren before

reminds me of a news few years ago of a Msian engineer who designed the speaker enclosure for the Mclaren Senna

what you love? what you hate?

Mclaren or not Mclaren.....even if it's ferrari or one of those supercars....having a wife and kid doesn't allow you to pursue any boyish dream at this point in time.......Only financial security applies to your family. You won't be able to pay for your child's education with your supercar CV credentials.....they only accept cash. Pragmatism over any considerations must prevail. You already called out how much you would need to spend just to sustain yourself, never mine the little comforts or long term financial growth.

If you're a bachelor, then of course but that life and the risk that you could take no longer applies to you.

This post has been edited by feynman: Jun 15 2023, 01:21 AM

Ah Mclaren, I used to work for a T1 supplier making wiring harnesses for them, in that case 58k is way too low to live in Surrey for sure, but I have mates who are living in Midlands and working for them remotely and that is more than enough if you can have that arrangement tbh.

I, like you, born and bred automotive head, graduated automotive engineering and working with cars all my life. I love the amount of research, development and innovation in automotive that happens here in the UK, how companies are tearing down competitors cars to learn and improve their own product, how some (and i mean only a small handful) OEMs are actually striving to be the best. I'm currently working in one of those companies, but have given my notice as I am making a move to another country... (to be continued)

What I hate about automotive engineering in UK now, each OEM is overhiring unqualified workers to have bums on seats to do meaningless jobs - e.g. spreadsheet engineering, making fancy ppt with useless information, creating trackers tracking more trackers. Kickstarters are dying left right and center because they realise that they are hiring too many people who bullshit in their interview, and because companies expand quick, early joiners that could be fresh grads get bumped up the chain. I had an amazing offer from a company called Arrival last year, a salary i never thought would be possible for automotive engineering in the technical side, not management. And thank fuck I didn't accept it as they recently sacked everyone in the UK, funds ran dry. Companies like JLR were exploring a loophole with visas, bringing in workers from India via Tata, who most of them always say they know how to do the job, eventually finding out that they themselves are outsourcing the work back to friends in India because they don't know how to use the softwares etc. Automotive engineering in the UK is 180deg from what it was 10-15 years ago where people knew what they were doing.

I've currently got a month plus left on my notice period working for a prominent Swedish luxury electric car company, which thankfully they have been doing the right thing with their hiring process and not just getting any tom dick or harry, but in this situation in the UK plus crazy inflations and hike of mortgage rates, I am moving to a very interesting country as I've taken up on an offer that I could not turn down at all - Zagreb (the keen petrolhead will immediately clock who my new employers are)

I have a wife and a kid, and am still pursuing my boyish dream. In Malaysia I will never be able to have the work / life / family balance that I have in UK / Europe. You're forgetting that child education in UK is free, and by the time his kid would be going to uni it will also be "free" as he would have gotten PR and therefore eligible to get student loans from the gov. The take home salary is definitely not an issue to live comfortably, the average salary is half that and people survive just fine. I agree that the grass is never greener on the other side, but it's really down to how much you value the balance between work and life, and imo working a full time job in Malaysia is equivelant to sacraficing the life aspect, especially sitting in pointless traffic because everyone feels the need to have their own car (great show of fake wealth )

Yea, Ive noticed recently JLR has been hiring quite a few engineers directly from India.

Ah, Arrival. Heard of them. I have few old contacts working in EVs, Rivian, Nio now the latest in Saudi, Ceer. Many Malaysians working in Ceer.
Had experience consulting engineering task for an EV Startup in the US, and met couple of managers there who only had 3-4 years of engineering experience, they know shit, as you mentioned, company want to expand quickly, mass hiring, and new hires want to show they know their stuff, just cat and mouse game.
mismanagements, over-spending, then ka-boom. Mass firing. the company shut down. C-suite and D-suite say bye-bye with a pile of cash and goes on to the next startup.

Zagreb ay. an EV supercar? that's awesome.
All the best to your next adventure!

This post has been edited by Kakistok: Jun 17 2023, 06:35 PM

Kaki bruh, I recently swiped the UK.gov Tiktok and came across something called HPI Visa aka High potential individual Visa.

https://www.gov.uk/high-potential-individual-visa

Perhaps it might excite you slightly as you machiam skillful worker unlike this unker can only slowly build my stupid blue collar foundation.

Sounds good, looks good, might be considerable, lel.

Edit: My bad. I posted without reading the content before sharing. Its not applicable to outside EU apparently. Fukken misinformative Rishi Sunak stuff. Demn.

This post has been edited by AfraidIGotBan: Jun 17 2023, 06:44 PM

Thanks Unker.

First line pun sudah tak lepas.

Yeah, the few lines later also tarak wokey. Fk I shared stupid stuff before reading. Really terribly sorry.

Misinformed by that fukken tiktok bideo talking about so promising. Diu that Sunat Rikishit.