UPDATE 10/6/2023

I have received the offer from the company. After discussions with them prior to the offer, they have pushed it from 55k to 58k per annum, they said I can ask the HR for further increment but they doubt can go any higher
They offering 3k for relocation (reimbursement) which I don't think is enough as a startup cost. visa and flight cost alone for me and my family is more than 3k.
Not considering things I need to terminate in MY, deposits for new home/car/furniture.

But it is what it is. Dilemma.



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Recall from previous post
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5377658



I had 2nd stage interview and later was told Im the 1st choice for the job. I was given an unofficial offer (later HR will call and provide the official offer) by the hiring manager, the offer was quite disappointing, to say the least.
If this was 10 years ago, I would have accepted it in a heartbeat. A dream company to work for, but now I'm not so sure anymore.
Glassdoor stated 5200pcm, but they offered only 4500pcm. Below I attached a calculation I did to compare if it even makes sense to take the offer, and what would be the ideal salary to go for (20-30% increase in purchasing power)



Thanks to those who have given feedback and advice, especially the ones living in the UK.



This post has been edited by Kakistok: Jun 10 2023, 11:39 AM

That’s horribly low tbh

This is definitely not worth the sacrifice and hardship of uprooting from Msia to England.
A rather poor deal.

Now that you have all the cards, do you want opinions on how to proceed?

The offer is low by any standards....do you have room to negotiate? You know your industry well enough and you also know how expensive living in the UK is. You're not single with commitments, so it's probably wise to default to what's comfortable and certain

Didn’t follow through your old thread.

I have been in London for a while on business. It is crazily expensive, despite my employer covering lodging. Average restaurant meal costing 20+ quids - and is bland, your palate isn’t even tested. Coffee is fantastic but 3.5 quid. Thursday a pub day - going at 7 - 8 quid for a pint of neck oil. Tourist tax refund taken away. Strikes on a weekly basis. Deep rooted systemic failure with the country.

Only make sense for a fresh grad to gain experience here and make a bonus leap to Asia.

Just stay in malaysia. My friend who is working remotely earns more than this.

What to do? Nowadays its the happier you wanna live, the more debt you gotta get.

The more hutang you got, the happier you are. Don't bother bout houses, don't bother cooking, don't even bother working. Just leech everything.

In reply to your comment, yes crazily expensive, because accomodation, even covered, you're literally living on land where every inches is gold. A shit hotel room that's about a Malaysia Toilet would cost you around 50-80 normally, and now spring summer, the cost marked up to 100 to 180 average. So that's around 500 to 900 ringgit for a shit room.

Honestly, you won't be able to guess what kind of shit they got in their head. Let's simply assume that to them, freedom matters, hence they can work half year here in south, half year wales, half year in hertz, half year back south, continuously like it doesnt matter freedom first. But for each moving they did, new furnitures, new life, new expenses, new trips, new shits, but no new salary. Sometimes even got shittier.

Or, they'll be like the kind I love my fukken house so much that I'll get a monthly ticket from Outer London to Central London for 300-500 quid a month, yeeha! Im a fool, my salary is 3000 after tax, and I paid 1/6 just for travel tickets, and I not even count my expenses, drinks, foods, etc!

Anyway, food wise, the brits had shit taste. I can claim 100% that their bland food is to make way to their table salt and shit ground white n black pepper to be used. That's the sole reason they dun put the darn salt and pepper into your food, because you know, everyone's taste and palette is different. But slap them with a fukken Chinese food with MSG, they dun even know what that taste like. They say I allergy to MSG, but dunno hantam how many pack of crisp, salt and pepper shrimps and ribs, etc, and no allergy happen. But when eat cheap food for takeaway, "Argh my allergy! You put MSG in your damn food. How dare you!"

Still...

Shit failure country, but still 1 pound = lima ringgit lebih or lapan renminbi lebih. I would rather earn and save and convert them to other currency and become hundred million-aire at elsewhere. Dont forget that the more fools are there in a certain country, the easier to cari makan without repercussion.

Ugh... Based on my experience lah bro, your utilities is on the lower side liao. I think you're coming over with wife and kids right? (Correct me if im wrong) the utilities and council might not be as light as 200 quid.

Unless you got that 70k annual offer, I think stay Malaysia better (IMHO. If you come alone, even the middle one is good but the offer really jialat)

But I feel weird weird... Why you accounted 400 malaysia travel as monthly expenses? (From my early assumption, its like you're planning to save 400x12= 4800quid for while family ticket back Malaysia yearly)

PS: If you really did, then that's really stressing yourself liao. I advise you to reconsider. Although Balik is important, opportunity is equally important too. Unless the balik is more essential than staying or alternating it to two year balik one time, then its really a stress.

since its unofficial then u should be able to request them to get the amount that u asked before

inner or outer london? the grocer prices and foods are significantly lower (not sure how now, stayed only a year circa 2011 for degree) and if u rajin can always go hunt at expiring perishables section, where stuff still looks as good

am curious though hows the situation after brexit

Iinm you also had another offer otw right?


Man I wish to receive an offer like that though

And what makes you think the offer was not deliberate just because he is a Malaysian?

Like I said why not just go Singapore.
You can always go to jb during the weekends. Because you sure can earn and save if you are working in Singapore.
And if things dun go well you can always come back. From UK, it's a different story.

From what I read, you are based near jb anyway. Most ppl dun like their job or even the environment, but then I see very little difference since you are probably based on work most of the time.

This post has been edited by BrookLes: May 27 2023, 08:14 AM

I agreed, Singapore would be most viable option for TS.

Congratulations

Since one of the managers is my friend, I'm just going to send him a WhatsApp first to express my thoughts on the possible offer. I didn't really express it during the interview because I was sinking all in.
Went through the technical session (2nd IV), and then the excitement of knowing I'm in the pole position to join an elite company in an industry I'm passionate about, followed by the disappointing salary news. LOL

I'm just going to tell him I'm a little uneasy about the package and would like to see if there is any opportunity for renegotiation. At least he knows from me directly and not from HR.
Just going to share with him the spreadsheet I made (attached) so that he understands why Im being hesitant. Will he make the move if he was in my shoes?
Since they are Europeans, they may not be familiar with the living cost here in Malaysia, compared to the UK
I was holding my smirk when the other manager went on saying they get a 4% increment + bonus every year as if that is something unusual. 4% bonus not even half month.
He mentioned the only thing that is expensive is the house and tax, but the rest are cheap. But anyway ...

The only way to make this feasible is to cover that accommodation cost, either they
1) add that to the nett pay (means more loss to taxes)
or
2) accommodation directly paid for by the company
or
3) since it's a hybrid role, can I just work from Malaysia, once a month trip to the UK (if needed). They can pay me even less than they offered. Not sure if there would be a problem with corporate taxes.

I don't know if ex-pat packages with accommodation exist these days. I've gone through some ex-pat forums, and it seems quite rare, only available for those C or D-suite execs.

This post has been edited by Kakistok: May 27 2023, 12:15 PM

I know the pay is great in SG but they don't have the industry I'm from. And the accommodation in SG is just as expensive. Public transport is great but dealing with the early morning crowd?
As I mentioned in previous thread before to @BrookLes, I have no interest or intentions to work in SG, unless if Im head hunted I'll give it a shot but in the meantime, I'm happy in JB.

Not sure if I would get it, lets's see if they would come back with an offer.

Best option IMO if they keep the amount. Enjoy low living cost in Msia + earning in GBP.

BUT u might need to follow their working hours which equates to 4pm - 1am or 5pm - 2am locally here depending on the day light saving. It's what I'm doing now

I'm okay with the timing, it isn't so bad.
This is an RnD role, and though I work more on the software/numerical side, I still need to be there for prototype testing which is in-house (for component level) or in Germany/Portugal for full-product testing. Again if it's needed.

Good for you man.