The moto was on the road. Whoever that hits it from behind is wrong in the eyes of the law. Analogy is a car in front that suddenly jam brakes and you hit it - it is your fault no matter how you argue that the car braked abruptly.

And in this case the moto wasn't even braking.

Moto case is road is my name, keluar aje.

BMW fault for sure, but gotta check if this is literally DRIVER full fault, or its negligence fault.

From my view and how she kena lempang, its more or less negligence at fault here.

Auntie keluar no check road, impact point my wife see also notice she's really out into the road loads. Even my wife who wasn't expert driver knew the fact if motosikal wanna join the main road, GTFO and kiss the left side divider like you're going to touch that, instead of going into the middle of the road like jalan ni nama moyang aku.

Driver main phone bullshit tahfeikei or busy fingering who knows. But until today no carcam very weird... Shouldn't its a necessary, especially on a Banyak Makan Wang brand?

This is precisely the reason to have roundabouts! To remove traffic lights for smoother traffic flow.

Actually in entering roundabout (which has no traffic lights), you don't have to stop completely. You only do a full stop when there's traffic coming on your right.

When you are approaching a roundabout, there's only one direction you can go, a left turn. You slow down and see whether there's traffic on your right, if no traffic, don't stop but continue your way.

If the car is moving slow, and if you think you can move in without incident, then you don't have to stop and yield to let him pass first.

There's no such nonsense of car reaching the roundabout first on the other side, and you must let him enter and exit first before you enter the roundabout.

Ok going back to this post, following this basic undang of yours, no dashcam and no other witness, I put my car, which is in front of your car, in reverse gear running into your car.

IO would take a look at the situation, follow your undang and conclude you're at fault. I'll just claim your insurance and walk away.

That's what you get for following the book blindly.

In real world, IO would just have a look at all angles and come out with report based on situation.

Just to add, I don't side with moto or beemer. Moto basically gambled and paid with her life. Beemer drove like a retard by not being aware while speeding.

Crux of the matter now is onty sudah mati lo. This would have been preventable if the car did not speed and sondol her from the back lo. Even assuming she no mati, saman would most likely still go to the car lo. No kira who is more wrong, but for sure the car is wrong lo.

Well, situation now is that the car was speeding at a housing area and sondol the moto, wasn't it? It wasn't the onty who reverse her moto and hit the car, rite?

roundabout is a good one where it encourages everyone to at least stop or slow down.

ok assuming there are no others car inside the roundabout

if there is another vehicle in the junction ahead of you entering the roundabout first, then you should give priority to him first.

You don't go bang into that person and then claimed the vehicle suddenly came out from the junction. The other vehicle is there first, so one should slow down for that vehicle who came in first in the other junction.

likewise in this case, where are stop lines for all lanes. Whoever there first is given priority first. BMW should slow down for the auntie who appeared in front of him first.

YUP.

Life gone, that's the worst part. And its about mother's day too. Imagine the emotional hati pecah involved here.

Actually, arguing and debating or whatever doesn't equals to people like me taking side on the BMW driver, stating he should be left aside untouched he tarak salah moto salah or whatever. He killed onty, he had a life debt to pay.

But commonsense quote has to be made, word has to be said.

If people would just be careful a little, all kind of tragedy can be avoided. Who dunwan turbo wherever they go? My model S tekan pedal pecut 3 seconds. Who no shiok? But doing that in london where people is AKA onty's abang adik saudara anak cucu cicit, I am more scaredy than ever. Knock die takpe, worst is my car turtled, suddenly dunno how many youth with machete between their crotch come chop me, that's the issue.

Just look at the driver's dad. Dunno speak what but tertiba penumbuk pelempang. Then Kwong Wah Yit Poh says bukan onty family hantam, minta remove report. Kenah belasah d, who compensate? All side has injury now.

Penangites will know this roundabout at Jalan Terengganu very well

There are stop lines for all parties. All should come to a stop.

But very often, you will often see some speeding cars and bikes along Jalan Terengganu who didnt stop at all.

If you are coming from Jalan P Ramlee, you are often at the mercy of those speeding cars and bikes along Jalan Terengganu. Some of them don't recognise the stop lines at all.

Nasi become bubur d.

Just slow down at junctions even without markings. I’ve encountered so many times motor just swerve out from junction without even looking expecting a flying car at 100kmh on main road to slowdown for them in time….

About being careful, many pgsemkia here say in pg people bawak moto like that lo. So the car also is P plate should know better also lo. So all variables held constant, burden of guilt should still be on the car lo. Duwan tok about who kana lempang or wadnot coz that one is after the onty die liow. We examining the cause of death ma, not the drama after.

By my twisted commonsense, in case you wanna say me bullshit, this is not true.

You take turns.

Aunty's side is regardless of timing youre there first, your' position is tengok kanan, tengok kiri, all safe, you move. You're not priority regardless you arrive first, you wanna cilok opposite road, or you wanna turn left follow bmw's road.

The priority is BMW and his oppo lane, stop or no stop, slow or no slow, its their main road. Aunty's section is join into the party. How can a side party expect the main party to give you way first? Minority rules ke nih?

Yeah. Life gone matter the most.

Do you know that because takut GG.com, I didn't buy or drive a car from 2008 to 2016 here in the UK? All the while paying for the license renewal like sohai?

IF not wife insist I drive a car (that time we're staying at colchester, travel to london too far and long drive) to London, I might carless until now.

you can try to do it at Jalan Terengganu and bang someone who came out from jalan P ramlee.

see what police said lor

but of course to avoid accidents, sometimes 'u have to give way to a speeding car' so that your car won't be in a workshop for a few months.

But in terms who salah or right, i'm sure it's a different story

I wonder how many kebongpiang party happening here daily. The warong roadside is not for human. Its for death reaper to stay there as security guard see who first reap that pitiful soul.

By jalan P.ramlee, thats on the side your photo indicates?

Damn if I am turning right from this junction, and has to drive past that middle isle to join the oppo road, i'll choose not to drive or divert another road. Literally ding dong come gamble your life junction. Peak hour wokey, no peak hour dun play play.

Solid line > tetek besar

Gh3y ktards focusing on solid line instead of solid 2"

But in my example and follow your book, you're still at fault.

What I say doesn't matter though, my point is IO will decide. I'm just telling you roundabout reason doesn't work on T junction even with stop line.

What if I tell you in the whole stretch of Jln Loh Poh Heng, that is the only stop line on the main road for all the T junctions on that road. What would you say? Tmn Hillview residents too rich to pay for stop line but too poor for speed bump?

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