yes in the photo you will be in the position of jalan p ramlee waiting to turn left or right.

to be safe, you better wait and see for the other cars to stop first or slow down first before coming out. Because i've seen a few times especially speeding bikes (along Jalan Terengganu) who don't stop at all. Cars usually will stop la.

During the busy period, all will come to a stop for sure, so it's actually much safer to use that roundabout during the peak period.

Losing brain cells yet or not?

You are presenting too many "what-ifs". And your analogy of the onty reversing and hitting the car does not hold water as shown in the cctv. Also a moto cannot reverse.

A stop line is a stop line. He has no business speeding through a stop line and hitting a target that has no means of defense.

I don't care about aunty though, she's dead. Anything else, IO will decide no matter what I said. This is the point you're missing. Reread my replies.

But if I'm a motorist at that junction, I'll be sure to look at any vehicles on the right before entering the main road, stop line or no stop line on main road. And hope I don't misjudge their speed while doing that.



This post has been edited by delon85: May 16 2023, 12:05 AM

No no no. In a roundabout, you only need to watch out for cars coming from your right. Whether you yield and let him pass first or you don't yield and move on, it's your judgement.

In a roundabout (without traffic light system), by right there's no straight stop lines, it would be dotted lines.

So a roundabout is not comparable to a T-junction. A roundabout is a good replacement for this sort of T-junction.

Regardless of whether there's a stop line or not, the driver was driving without due care to the motorcyclist. The bike was moving ahead of him and was moving in the same direction as him when the accident happened.

The stop lines would have come into play if the motorcyclist was turning to her right, and the car hits her sideways.

It is inconsiderate and reckless driving to overtake the motorbike on a narrow stretch that overtaking is not allowed.

Yes, it is overtaking and not 'passing' as the bike and car was on the same lane.

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Added: see below picture, it is a wide junction. If that's your viewpoint, you would see the bike moving and rounding the corner, and would be slowing down to have some space btw her and the front end of your car.



This post has been edited by ScooterBoi: May 16 2023, 12:29 AM

Yeah. Peak hour is safer than any other time. Also, If leading the way, I'll choose to move slow and steady. If end of the way, I rather slow down wait next round. Not worth rush.

Me come this forum after keeping my braincell aside. Unless necessary, I'll maintain a typical attitude of "big heart sharing" uncle like a sponge. All also interesting, all also can talk. All also got comment. People like no like up to them to continue my chat or ignore.

Lol 😂 that's not a roundabout, that's a trap to lose your insurance ncb!

This is a proper roundabout... before you enter the roundabout, you only need to watch out for cars coming from your right.

Kekwa

You must be new here

Here's another junction with painted line

Opps that one is in Penang, nearby one
Maybe Hillview go pay for it

What about this one in Selangor?

Hillview orang go open crab shop ka?

Okay here

Johor baru?
Betoi ka Hillview orang kaya
Speed bump tamau support but support white line?


Then go main road some more
No need taman

Here in Melaka, as they say
Don't mess with malaka!

Hillview ada pay also ka?

Let see when you gonna start with the "I feel...."
It doesn't matter what the fuck you feel, okay?

This post has been edited by mcchin: May 16 2023, 06:59 AM

How you say she gamble
At the time she at the junction to out in front of the CCTV house is 2.5 sec approx
At that time a car traveling 100kmph can cover more than 70m

At junction see car 70m back cannot enter

If she have stop for line 2 secs to look left or right

The car is almost double that away 140m

Cannot enter then?

What is gambled here is the car high speed cover a lot of distance in a short time (that's speed for you) which can be easily mistaken as the car is that far away


Where is the proof that she didn't stop

What is certain, that the CCTV show the location of the impact, proven the moto is travelling well in a straight road by the time of impact
And that the car is travelling at high speed, higher than normal when entering the junction to be seen that fast at the point of impact

Strange somehow this thread ppl plotek bmw guy

Car is speeding without braking, Plain simple.

If I drive like bmw, surely I would bang dozens of motors everyday.
Brakes exist for a reason

They crave attention
But the sauce they bring is weak ass stuff

All cakap own strawberry feelings and idiotic conjectures only

you don't need proof here to explain the speed and distance of the speeding BMW. Sound, the speed it approaching, how further out to the road the aunty is when she masuk the bmw's road, all can be used as estimation of the impact.

This is really a both side wrong judgement in driving. i wonder why no more update liao about the news.

Not plotek. There's nothing to plotek the bmw guy. He fakaped.

But somehow, it irritates when you see people die die says that regardless of sane or insane sense, moto mati, driver 250% salah semua.

Its almost felt like a seafood intolerant person come eat, dah la intolerant, die die order seafood, die die eat, no inform, die die keep secret, now die liao, and its restaurant fault, from head to toe to everywhere else, and nothing of concern about why, for what, and how it escalated to death.

i also find these people very weird.
some more so emotionally involved
i lol’ed

i love it when assholes are protected, no wonder madey and najib can rampantly making fools out of ppl

i thought you said earlier who arrive at junction early can go first?

can't be like this lah, kejap this kejap that

Did you even see your own maps? 1, 3, 4 are technically crossroads. The one in cheras in arguably a T junction, but there is a single way one-lane on one side of the road, that road is in front of shop lot. Got to ask your majlis which side is the main road.

Again I ask you, why in the whole stretch of that main road, only that particular junction got stop line? There are more than 5 T junctions on that road.

Where is the proof car is travelling at 100kmph? If you know the speed of the car and is verifiable, let me know.

because it is main exit of a G&G taman

can faham?

This thread have potential to beat tetek besar thread. Good to know that M'sians or at least Ktards are more traffic safety conscious. Anthony will be pleased

Plotek..plotekk..... Maybe they got play FX triumph hmmm

By law, it's the car fault.
Priority to moto in this case.
Normal scenario/ straight road then maybe moto asking for it but this case nope.
She got priority to go out of junction if the car did not cross the white line yet.

There are other junctions on this stretch where cars exit from taman, including one from a condo kek.

This post has been edited by delon85: May 16 2023, 08:39 AM