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 [BMW bang die moto] court case today, ppl hentam BMW driver & his father

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Starbucki
post May 13 2023, 08:41 AM

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Any car that langgar another vehicle in front is always at fault right? And why the car drive so fast maciem lahanat at a housing area?
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post May 13 2023, 10:49 AM

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The people that blame the motorcyclist are the same that froth at the mouth over "middle lane hoggers".
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post May 13 2023, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ May 13 2023, 01:04 PM)

Driver fault = driving fast. But I will not fault the driver for not stopping.

Unless someone else can educated me about the road rules better.
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You bang someone from the back regardless of how slow she was, it is your fault no matter how you spin it.
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post May 13 2023, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ May 13 2023, 02:27 PM)
Compare the bmw speed with the speed of the cars in the video before collision. Can give a clue whether it’s fast or not. Looks quite fast for that road.

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the driver clearly reacted too late as he was probably playing henpon. he wanted to evade only at the final second but then decided to sondol back for no reason in even though there were not oncoming cars on the other lane. clearly a rookie driver and an unfocussed one.
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post May 13 2023, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ May 13 2023, 06:21 PM)
And Malaysian people still don't slow down. Fucking ridiculous. Some junctions got 3 speed bumps and I still see people just plough through the speed bumps.
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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ May 13 2023, 06:24 PM)
defensive driving situational awareness tells you to scan the road up to 200m in front of you, and not just immediately the car in front.
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You will be called a road hogger by some ktards if you slow down
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post May 15 2023, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(archief @ May 15 2023, 06:23 PM)
not defending this BMW guy.

but the motobodo is equally guilty.

both guilty, but the 1 with bigger gun wins.

if only the motobodo practise defensive driving/motoring, she is still alive now
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the moto was a good few seconds riding nicely on the road

what gives the car the right to crash into it from the rear?
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post May 15 2023, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(ameliorate @ May 15 2023, 10:09 PM)
I don't know why there are still defender here. In SKT case, there are no video, so only speculate that's why go so many pages.

This case with cctv, clearly shows the BMW asshole speeding on a residential area, through a T junction some more. Clear cut reckless driving resulting in death. Give him some cokmeat sandwich in prison.
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very likely road bullies who complains about road hoggers that blocks their speeding path
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post May 15 2023, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(delon85 @ May 15 2023, 10:32 PM)
She's at best 2 seconds on the main road, hardly good at all.
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even if it is 2 seconds, that's ample time for any other car to slow down without hitting her. 2 seconds is long enough for reflexes to kick in, unless he wasn't even aware of her and was also speeding.
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post May 15 2023, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(Blofeld @ May 15 2023, 10:54 PM)
there are stop lines for all lanes coming from each junction

that means whoever there first is given priority, very similar to a roundabout.

You don't enter roundabout without stopping at all.

All parties should stop at the junction and give priority to whoever appears at the junction first.

this kind of junction exists in my neighbourhood too

but of course many ignorant drivers choose to ignore the stop line and continue to speed up without stopping.

Similar to a roundabout, i've seen speeding drivers purposely sped up (from the other junction) and not stopping although i was at the junction first waiting to enter the roundabout.

I'm NOT referring to those who are already inside the roundabout.
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so tldr is salahan siapa? ayam konpiused with the theory leh
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post May 15 2023, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(mcchin @ May 15 2023, 11:00 PM)
beemer should have stop or at least slow down
but cctv show no slow at all means he power through the junction
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ May 15 2023, 11:00 PM)
sarahan bmw

he should stop and give priority to the bike who appears at the junction first
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yup. then why got ppl die2 say moto salah?
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post May 15 2023, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(delon85 @ May 15 2023, 11:02 PM)
It's flawed logic if you compare it to roundabout. Roundabout are a lane on its own, every car trying to enter roundabout is the same as trying to enter another lane. That is why cars already inside roundabout have priority.

You're imposing roundabout rules on a T junction which doesn't work, both in terms of safety and smooth traffic flow.
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If car sondol another vehicle from the back, it is the car's fault ler. This is basic undang2. You cannot blame the vehicle in front for suddenly stopping or wadnot.
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post May 15 2023, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(delon85 @ May 15 2023, 11:17 PM)
No idea where you're trying to go

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The moto was on the road. Whoever that hits it from behind is wrong in the eyes of the law. Analogy is a car in front that suddenly jam brakes and you hit it - it is your fault no matter how you argue that the car braked abruptly.

And in this case the moto wasn't even braking.
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post May 15 2023, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(AfraidIGotBan @ May 15 2023, 11:25 PM)
Moto case is road is my name, keluar aje.

BMW fault for sure, but gotta check if this is literally DRIVER full fault, or its negligence fault.

From my view and how she kena lempang, its more or less negligence at fault here.

Auntie keluar no check road, impact point my wife see also notice she's really out into the road loads. Even my wife who wasn't expert driver knew the fact if motosikal wanna join the main road, GTFO and kiss the left side divider like you're going to touch that, instead of going into the middle of the road like jalan ni nama moyang aku.

Driver main phone bullshit tahfeikei or busy fingering who knows. But until today no carcam very weird... Shouldn't its a necessary, especially on a Banyak Makan Wang brand?
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Crux of the matter now is onty sudah mati lo. This would have been preventable if the car did not speed and sondol her from the back lo. Even assuming she no mati, saman would most likely still go to the car lo. No kira who is more wrong, but for sure the car is wrong lo.
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post May 15 2023, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(delon85 @ May 15 2023, 11:30 PM)
Ok going back to this post, following this basic undang of yours, no dashcam and no other witness, I put my car, which is in front of your car, in reverse gear running into your car.

IO would take a look at the situation, follow your undang and conclude you're at fault. I'll just claim your insurance and walk away.

That's what you get for following the book blindly.

In real world, IO would just have a look at all angles and come out with report based on situation.
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Well, situation now is that the car was speeding at a housing area and sondol the moto, wasn't it? It wasn't the onty who reverse her moto and hit the car, rite?
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post May 15 2023, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(AfraidIGotBan @ May 15 2023, 11:40 PM)
YUP.

Life gone, that's the worst part. And its about mother's day too. Imagine the emotional hati pecah involved here.

Actually, arguing and debating or whatever doesn't equals to people like me taking side on the BMW driver, stating he should be left aside untouched he tarak salah moto salah or whatever. He killed onty, he had a life debt to pay.

But commonsense quote has to be made, word has to be said.

If people would just be careful a little, all kind of tragedy can be avoided. Who dunwan turbo wherever they go? My model S tekan pedal pecut 3 seconds. Who no shiok? But doing that in london where people is AKA onty's abang adik saudara anak cucu cicit, I am more scaredy than ever. Knock die takpe, worst is my car turtled, suddenly dunno how many youth with machete between their crotch come chop me, that's the issue.

Just look at the driver's dad. Dunno speak what but tertiba penumbuk pelempang. Then Kwong Wah Yit Poh says bukan onty family hantam, minta remove report. Kenah belasah d, who compensate? All side has injury now.
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About being careful, many pgsemkia here say in pg people bawak moto like that lo. So the car also is P plate should know better also lo. So all variables held constant, burden of guilt should still be on the car lo. Duwan tok about who kana lempang or wadnot coz that one is after the onty die liow. We examining the cause of death ma, not the drama after.


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post May 15 2023, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(delon85 @ May 15 2023, 11:56 PM)
But in my example and follow your book, you're still at fault.

What I say doesn't matter though, my point is IO will decide. I'm just telling you roundabout reason doesn't work on T junction even with stop line.

What if I tell you in the whole stretch of Jln Loh Poh Heng, that is the only stop line on the main road for all the T junctions on that road. What would you say? Tmn Hillview residents too rich to pay for stop line but too poor for speed bump?
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You are presenting too many "what-ifs". And your analogy of the onty reversing and hitting the car does not hold water as shown in the cctv. Also a moto cannot reverse.

A stop line is a stop line. He has no business speeding through a stop line and hitting a target that has no means of defense.
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post May 16 2023, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(chinti @ May 16 2023, 09:31 AM)
wow 77 pages d, so apa conclusion now?
siapa salah?
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Salah TS no poll. Lol

 

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