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 Tanah runtuh bukan bermula di Father’s Organic Far

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desmond2020
post Dec 22 2022, 08:34 AM

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QUOTE(taitianhin @ Dec 22 2022, 01:10 AM)
There is no license for camping to be apply for...
even he manage to get the license, which probably he can if it is available, but still doesnt means the landslide will not happen....

Landslide happened because of many reason...
At the end, is an unfortunate event to the camper and the business owner...

And that is why government yet to take any serious action on the business owner too
We wouldnt know what is the inside story of government one  la...
You ask CLerk, clerk ask you take the Queue tix.
Then you say want to apply for Tapak Camping license....
Clerk say no need one la...no such license to apply
Refuse give Q tix....

We wouldnt cover the whole story by reading few lines..
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You can't get license for whore house too, does that mean it is legal?
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post Dec 22 2022, 08:36 AM

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The campsite and the main road distance where got 2km to 3km apart? About 500m the most.
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post Dec 22 2022, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(midlander @ Dec 22 2022, 01:42 AM)
I don’t see the big deal about not having a license for a campsite. So what if it’s farmland? People have been living on farms for thousands of years is it suddenly not ok to live on a farm or what? On the other hand since you are in fact running a camp site big enough to accommodate close to 100 people like this guy is then you definitely have a moral and legal obligation to ensure their safety.

I’m not an expert or captain hindsight so I would leave it up to the experts and investigators to determine if the camp site operator was negligent or not.
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negligence in terms of failing to fulfil your duty to get a license or permission from the government, especially if you leased the land from the government, notwithstanding that is a high-risk area. After you get the license, then you can drag the gov together. Since you did something without the landowner's permission, you bear all the responsibility.
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post Dec 22 2022, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Dec 20 2022, 05:31 PM)
Not defending them but there is no such thing as license for campsite in Malaysia.
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There is a commercial accomodation license and the business must be insured and equipped with fire retardant system, emergency exit map and also inspection by bomba.

Even it is a camp site but the law above is still applicable on technicality.
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post Dec 22 2022, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(Dothan @ Dec 22 2022, 08:39 AM)
There is a commercial accomodation license and the business must be insured and equipped with fire retardant system, emergency exit map and also inspection by bomba.

Even it is a camp site but the law above is still applicable on technicality.
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you can't get that approved on a farm land

so,......
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post Dec 22 2022, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Dec 22 2022, 08:45 AM)
you can't get that approved on a farm land

so,......
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Exactly! Like in previous posts, the FOF owner is in progress to apply permission to extend the agro land usage to tourism usage. The owner should not start the camping biz before permission is given by state gov.
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post Dec 22 2022, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(Dothan @ Dec 22 2022, 08:50 AM)
Exactly! Like in previous posts, the FOF owner is in progress to apply permission to extend the agro land usage to tourism usage. The owner should not start the camping biz before permission is given by state gov.
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it common for business to pancut awal start business even before getting approval

everything is good if nothing happened, but if shit happened his ass gonna be hot on fire
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post Dec 22 2022, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(Dothan @ Dec 22 2022, 08:50 AM)
Exactly! Like in previous posts, the FOF owner is in progress to apply permission to extend the agro land usage to tourism usage. The owner should not start the camping biz before permission is given by state gov.
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location like deep in forest reserve, it's a question even for a farm
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post Dec 22 2022, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(Hobbez @ Dec 20 2022, 06:22 PM)
Translation: No permit to have camping but we still wanna make money from our land.

$$$$$

If you come stay and pay us, you bear all the risk.

PS: Many durian farms also offering farmstay.
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Kalau masuk kebun mati sebab durian jatuh how
taitianhin
post Dec 22 2022, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(KitZhai @ Dec 22 2022, 09:30 AM)
Kalau masuk kebun mati sebab durian jatuh how
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Arcording to cybertrooper ....
Fault on farm owners, because do not has durian jatuh license...

The farm owner can did all he can to take the licence, the problems now is the landslide, not the licence
How many ppl here are so degil?

QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Dec 22 2022, 08:34 AM)
You can't get license for whore house too, does that mean it is legal?
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From how government response to it, the allow him to operate with existing license. That y he is not in lokap

This post has been edited by taitianhin: Dec 22 2022, 10:00 AM
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post Dec 22 2022, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(nazrul90 @ Dec 20 2022, 05:33 PM)
No way to obtain permit then why still want to operating the business?
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One word = GREED
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post Dec 22 2022, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(brkli @ Dec 21 2022, 11:35 PM)
if you intend to do business on that, then yes, mostly likely can't.. just I not sure what kind of "business" would that be..
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you don't breathe eat and pangsai, you're just a dead man walking biggrin.gif
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post Dec 22 2022, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(koja6049 @ Dec 22 2022, 11:49 AM)
you don't breathe eat and pangsai, you're just a dead man walking  biggrin.gif
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yup, everybody does it.. but duno who do business and earn income from on those.. maybe youtuber..

seem like you really dun understand the concept of operating business vs individual activities...

and yes. the customer no need permit to do camping there (as long as owner of the private area ok, then ok). but the business owner need a permit(accomodation license in general) to house customer for a period of time and earning from it.

This post has been edited by brkli: Dec 22 2022, 01:09 PM
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post Dec 22 2022, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(taitianhin @ Dec 22 2022, 10:58 AM)
Arcording to cybertrooper ....
Fault on farm owners, because do not has durian jatuh license...

The farm owner can did all he can to take the licence, the problems now is the landslide, not the licence
How many ppl here are so degil?
From how government response to it, the allow him to operate with existing license. That y he is not in lokap
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Durian jatuh also need license?

Kalau pisang, papaya jatuh pulak how?
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post Dec 22 2022, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(brkli @ Dec 22 2022, 12:58 PM)
yup, everybody does it.. but duno who do business and earn income from on those.. maybe youtuber..

seem like you really dun understand the concept of operating business vs individual activities...

and yes. the customer no need permit to do camping there (as long as owner of the private area ok, then ok). but the business owner need a permit(accomodation license in general) to house customer for a period of time and earning from it.
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looks like you also need a license to house your wife, kids, parents, grandparents etc, or you just chase them out to the streets biggrin.gif
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post Dec 22 2022, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(koja6049 @ Dec 22 2022, 01:18 PM)
looks like you also need a license to house your wife, kids, parents, grandparents etc, or you just chase them out to the streets  biggrin.gif
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i dun intend to make my house into a business and my family as my customer. but you can do it if you like. since everything to you is a business it seem.

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post Dec 22 2022, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(brkli @ Dec 22 2022, 01:26 PM)
i dun intend to make my house into a business and my family as my customer. but you can do it if you like. since everything to you is a business it seem.
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even if it is not a business it is still illegal since you don't have a license smile.gif


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post Dec 22 2022, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Dec 22 2022, 08:34 AM)
You can't get license for whore house too, does that mean it is legal?
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There already a Law that said whore house is illegal & will be persecuted with as below:

"Sections 372 and 372A criminalise the act of employing someone or profiting from sex work, advertising sex work services and exploiting any person who lives off an income derived from prostitution—i.e. pimps.13 Jan 2021"

But there is no law that said Camping on farmland is illegal.

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post Dec 22 2022, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(YamiBear @ Dec 22 2022, 01:00 AM)
He doesn't need a license to operate camp shows doesn't mean that he should. He's operating big. Should take the blame whether he likes it or not instead of tai chi to government. Bodoh bukak campsite masa tengkujuh, in fact one of the heaviest downpour in the last 10 years. Also you didn't get what I implied, right? Government designated that land as FARM land because you know maybe because they understood it as place with high risk of landslide? If landslide occur then there will be a buffer zone THEN it reaches the farmland where you expect to see trees where trees are rooted and NOT dead bodies like now. Your otak says bigger picture but your chinaman mind only sees profit and taichi out of way when things don't go your way.
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Can you show me where I said operator isn't wrong?
Your reading skills really need help, just like governance on this issue. All you see is tai chi and profit, yet accuse others of it.

So if you know he's wrong, tell which which regulation said so and where is the correct place to set up campsite.

I understand the interaction of farming activities and landslide. Seems you don't, since you're talking about buffer zone and not how said farming activities could've cause the landslide.
Explain to me what kind of buffer zone will help with below landslide. Highway developer no license or flout building regulations?

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post Dec 22 2022, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(taitianhin @ Dec 22 2022, 09:58 AM)
From how government response to it, the allow him to operate with existing license. That y he is not in lokap
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I'm curious what they going to charge him with since no law on what is right or wrong on where to setup campsites.

Only thing I can think of is using land other than farming purposes. Doesn't prevent loss of lives though.

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