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post Dec 21 2022, 07:12 PM

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The Star: ‘No guidelines’ on campsites
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Selangor has no specific guidelines to regulate campsites and the state government will only now work with the Tourism Ministry to draw them up.

One of the items under the proposed guidelines would be to not allow tents to be set up at the foot of a slope.

“There will be a minimum buffer zone, between the slope and the campsite,” said state exco man Hee Loy Sian.

The tourism, environment, green technology and Orang Asli affairs committee chairman said the absence of guidelines had caused confusion among the people, with many blaming the state government for the tragedy in Batang Kali.

He said the state could not take action against the land owner because there were no guidelines preventing the setting up of tents on private premises.


Free Malaysia Today: After fatal landslide, Selangor to draw up camping guidelines
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The Selangor government will formulate guidelines for camping activities following the Batang Kali landslide that has so far claimed the lives of 26 people, says a state executive councillor.

Local government, public transport and new village development committee chairman Ng Sze Han said the authorities would monitor such activities which were usually carried out as a side business by hotels or resort owners.

Currently, camping activities organised by resorts or hotels are not regulated.

Ng said the state government would expedite a survey to identify the number of campsites in Hulu Selangor.

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post Dec 21 2022, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(kuci_mayong @ Dec 21 2022, 04:50 PM)
Just my two cents on the matter but one of the most famous landslides was the Highland Towers collapse. you can read it here especially the part under "Lawsuits":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highland_Towers_collapse
Its funny we put such a high standard on the campsite operator but as he rightly points out that the landslide originated from its uphill neighbour which is under gov and quite clearly there was a public road next to it and we don't put blame there.

My guess its because we have a "good government" now.

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U cant run away from responsibility. U should know you cannot operate business without license. Have you warn your visitors about the high risk to camp at hillslope. Smtg like park at your own risk.
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post Dec 21 2022, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(knumskul @ Dec 21 2022, 06:52 PM)
This mentality of absolving government of actually governing is why our government is so lax. It is encouraging them to continue to not govern as blame only shifts to 1 party when multiple parties have stakes in safety measures.

Furthermore you missed the whole point of takde lesen. Literally no lesen to apply for even if any operator wanted to.
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Fully agree on para 1 as said there👍
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post Dec 21 2022, 08:17 PM

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The Dept of Agriculture has spoken

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https://www.bernama.com/bm/am/news.php?id=2150002
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post Dec 21 2022, 08:27 PM

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I donno how to intepret this article ..

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post Dec 21 2022, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(knumskul @ Dec 21 2022, 06:52 PM)
This mentality of absolving government of actually governing is why our government is so lax. It is encouraging them to continue to not govern as blame only shifts to 1 party when multiple parties have stakes in safety measures.

Furthermore you missed the whole point of takde lesen. Literally no lesen to apply for even if any operator wanted to.
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They are supposed to operate as a farm. It is designated as FARM land by government so government did their job. Mana tahu ada apek decided to turn it into campsite bila lesen lain diberi. Your brain taichi back to government shows that you're the kind of person that blame others even if you're at wrong.
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post Dec 21 2022, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(Femsroot @ Dec 21 2022, 05:50 PM)
All u do is defend defend defend. I edi  said u can blame and fine the operator cos no license. But the gomen no survey and close the place aso wrong.

And more importantly the victims are all adults. They know is rainy seasons. They know is slope. They know is hillside. Yet they go and camp. So who wrong?

Only 1 party or all aso bear responsibility??

Don't suddenly struck me by saying I'm one of them. U no think from all angle. Just focus too narrow on the victims.
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So u want to blame who ? If not the camp operator wrong then who wrong ? God only ? Hahaha ... If only we can sue God for all the deaths , you are one sohai really ...
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post Dec 21 2022, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(knumskul @ Dec 21 2022, 06:52 PM)
This mentality of absolving government of actually governing is why our government is so lax. It is encouraging them to continue to not govern as blame only shifts to 1 party when multiple parties have stakes in safety measures.

Furthermore you missed the whole point of takde lesen. Literally no lesen to apply for even if any operator wanted to.
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No license means don't do la

What's so difficult to understand

Sohai like u only know how to break rules
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post Dec 21 2022, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(redzaril @ Dec 21 2022, 08:17 PM)
The Dept of Agriculture has spoken

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https://www.bernama.com/bm/am/news.php?id=2150002
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As I suspected. Never apply in the first place.
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post Dec 21 2022, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(spacelion @ Dec 21 2022, 10:10 PM)
No license means don't do la

What's so difficult to understand

Sohai like u only know how to break rules
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you also don't have license to breathe, eat and pangsai, so don't do them biggrin.gif
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post Dec 21 2022, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(spacelion @ Dec 21 2022, 10:10 PM)
No license means don't do la

What's so difficult to understand

Sohai like u only know how to break rules
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QUOTE(YamiBear @ Dec 21 2022, 08:39 PM)
They are supposed to operate as a farm. It is designated as FARM land by government so government did their job. Mana tahu ada apek decided to turn it into campsite bila lesen lain diberi. Your brain taichi back to government shows that you're the kind of person that blame others even if you're at wrong.
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Bodos not getting the point. That's why you see it as tai chi. Malas repeat myself again and again to narrow minded fools who can't see bigger picture.

What rules have been broken? There is no camping license. So he doesn't need a license to operate a camp. Read post #345 above.
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QUOTE(koja6049 @ Dec 21 2022, 10:38 PM)
you also don't have license to breathe, eat and pangsai, so don't do them  biggrin.gif
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if you intend to do business on that, then yes, mostly likely can't.. just I not sure what kind of "business" would that be..
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QUOTE(Buffalo Soldier @ Dec 21 2022, 07:12 PM)
What about all the houses and buildings throughout Malaysia built at the bottom of a slope? Or worse, built ON some slope?

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post Dec 22 2022, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(knumskul @ Dec 21 2022, 11:26 PM)
Bodos not getting the point. That's why you see it as tai chi. Malas repeat myself again and again to narrow minded fools who can't see bigger picture.

What rules have been broken? There is no camping license. So he doesn't need a license to operate a camp. Read post #345 above.
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He doesn't need a license to operate camp shows doesn't mean that he should. He's operating big. Should take the blame whether he likes it or not instead of tai chi to government. Bodoh bukak campsite masa tengkujuh, in fact one of the heaviest downpour in the last 10 years. Also you didn't get what I implied, right? Government designated that land as FARM land because you know maybe because they understood it as place with high risk of landslide? If landslide occur then there will be a buffer zone THEN it reaches the farmland where you expect to see trees where trees are rooted and NOT dead bodies like now. Your otak says bigger picture but your chinaman mind only sees profit and taichi out of way when things don't go your way.

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post Dec 22 2022, 01:10 AM

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QUOTE(YamiBear @ Dec 22 2022, 01:00 AM)
He doesn't need a license to operate camp shows doesn't mean that he should. He's operating big. Should take the blame whether he likes it or not instead of tai chi to government. Bodoh bukak campsite masa tengkujuh, in fact one of the heaviest downpour in the last 10 years. Also you didn't get what I implied, right? Government designated that land as FARM land because you know maybe because they understood it as place with high risk of landslide? If landslide occur then there will be a buffer zone THEN it reaches the farmland where you expect to see trees where trees are rooted and NOT dead bodies like now. Your otak says bigger picture but your chinaman mind only sees profit and taichi out of way when things don't go your way.
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There is no license for camping to be apply for...
even he manage to get the license, which probably he can if it is available, but still doesnt means the landslide will not happen....

Landslide happened because of many reason...
At the end, is an unfortunate event to the camper and the business owner...

And that is why government yet to take any serious action on the business owner too

QUOTE(nazrul90 @ Dec 21 2022, 10:17 PM)
As I suspected. Never apply in the first place.
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We wouldnt know what is the inside story of government one la...
You ask CLerk, clerk ask you take the Queue tix.
Then you say want to apply for Tapak Camping license....
Clerk say no need one la...no such license to apply
Refuse give Q tix....

We wouldnt cover the whole story by reading few lines..

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post Dec 22 2022, 01:28 AM

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QUOTE(taitianhin @ Dec 22 2022, 01:10 AM)
There is no license for camping to be apply for...
even he manage to get the license, which probably he can if it is available, but still doesnt means the landslide will not happen....

Landslide happened because of many reason...
At the end, is an unfortunate event to the camper and the business owner...

And that is why government yet to take any serious action on the business owner too
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I understand your point. The thing I wanted to highlight where the fuck government fault comes in. Have to be a bit more aggressive here because some people here has IQ below room temperature and the username checks out anyway. Legally, there is no precedent to blame the owner. But morally we know that the place is SUPPOSED to be farmland. I think owner or some PIC in father's farm land decided to throw sarahan kerajaaan as a curveball, as to save their reputation and socmed or probably to buy time, before kena bash by netizens on internet or purely to confuse people on internet. All the documents they've shown is just proof that they're supposed to operate as a farmland. By showing have (KM) they purposely wanted to say sarahan kerajaan banyak kertas kerja or whatever the fuck they're implying. I wouldn't be surprised if owner dare to kill mother to save his own face.

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QUOTE(premier239 @ Dec 20 2022, 05:21 PM)
so customers sendiri chose to go camping at unsafe place that is likely to have accident...
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QUOTE(YamiBear @ Dec 22 2022, 01:28 AM)
I understand your point. The thing I wanted to highlight where the fuck government fault comes in. Have to be a bit more aggressive here because some people here has IQ below room temperature and the username checks out anyway. Legally, there is no precedent to blame the owner. But morally we know that the place is SUPPOSED to be farmland. I think owner or some PIC in father's farm land decided to throw sarahan kerajaaan as a curveball, as to save their reputation and socmed or probably to buy time, before kena bash by netizens on internet or purely to confuse people on internet. All the documents they've shown is just proof that they're supposed to operate as a farmland. By showing have (KM) they purposely wanted to say sarahan kerajaan banyak kertas kerja or whatever the fuck they're implying. I wouldn't be surprised if owner dare to kill mother to save his own face.
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I think Owner try to build a concept farmland, which is similar to Taiwanese did.
Fusion Farmland + Mini Zoo + some camping + food kind of things with what they planned...allowing family bonding with natural related activities...

Concept is good, luck is bad...when ppl die, finger pointing everywhere now....
at least government is putting all effort to recover the losses

This post has been edited by taitianhin: Dec 22 2022, 01:37 AM
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post Dec 22 2022, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Dec 21 2022, 05:38 PM)
just say public land la...
now kerajaan yang help out, now still aci aco say tanah kerajaan like kerajaan fault?

technically correct term but like i said, poor choice of word.
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yeah precisely what I meant.

people seem to blame anything that happened outside their land is kerajaan's fault. But we know all other land not owned privately are kerajaan land

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