Different situation. If you prepare all the fire safety, its hard for them to sue u for negligence even without license. That is residential area is for people to sleep and not a high risk area like your farm land.

first, you need to understand the meaning of negligence here. negligence is not the case whereby you not about to prevent a natural disaster or calamity, but more to how to handle it, i.e what has been done before hand to handle and reduce the risk, which start from identifying the risk.

for case of fire, there are things like fire exit, evacuation route, fire extinguisher are the basics. if those also missing, IF the customer wants, they can bring the case. ofcourse, who win the case or not, depend on a lot factor. key here is negligence. not sue you for arson (starting the fire).

This post has been edited by brkli: Dec 24 2022, 01:01 PM

I think many people here don't understand is that we ARE not blaming the owner for the lanslide that occurred but rather the attitude given after incident occur.

1) As far as government concerned, that area is supposed to be a farmland. Kalau (kalau 2nd time) ada aktiviti pembalakan in area that will cause a landslide in that place; it's a farmland.

2) Owner is exploiting loophole in the country's law. Bila accident happen sarahan kerajaan? Macam budak je punya alasan.

3) Edit: Dia ambil duit orang upon entry. When that transaction occured, the owner acknowledge there are people in his farmland for recreational purposes. As in point two, he's already exploiting the loophole in the country, when shit like this happens, he probably thinks he is not liable for proper safety measurements because there is no "law" to regulate him. Those curveballs he threw to imply government is to be blamed is fucking disgusting.

Remember the sekolah tahfiz terbakar? Budak-budak terkurung dan terbakar. First thing orang nak tengok ialah the safety measurement taken. Fingers will always be pointed towards the safety measurement taken if such accident/incident takes place. Sebab tu isu lesen tu naik. Kalau takde lesen maknanya takde orang nak confirm yang dia ada the necessary precaution needed.

Edit: Diorang sendiri cakap dia buat safety check, so mmg dia kena tanggung the blame. If betul dia ada safety measurement taken, paperwork nanti kena tunjuk.

This post has been edited by YamiBear: Dec 24 2022, 12:53 PM

Failure at crisis management can cause lost of critical hours and life saving opportunities.

By this means it's gonna take several huge landslide before it's stabilise for economical development correct?
Then it's gonna take a very long time that include the time to terrace the land

It's hard to predict once stabilized ancient landslides will be reactivated again. And usually it involved massive movement due to the geographical evolution layers above it.

Thank you for explaining 🙏

Tak kan lar ktarded ingat we are accusing the farm owner is a earth elemental ninja that use his jutsu until landslide occurred.

We also not saying his farm land causing the landslide. Even if his farming did cause the landslide, if the victim in this situation is just his crop and plant, we also will say condolences and may even set up some fund to recoup his lost.

The current reality is, he open a lodging without permission. Even if landslide does not occurred, let say other type of disaster like forest fire, tornado, godzilla, etc, the farmer will be held responsible, period. Just because technically the people staying is in their own tent, it doesn't wash away his responsibility as he charge quite a lot for the lodging.

Tu lah. Kalau dia ada some sort of license ataupun badan berkenaan buat safety check untuk dia ke, serious sangat membantu kes dia. Tapi kalau cakap "I'm an experienced camper", baik xyah hantar orang belajar geologi bang.

name itself is cringe

don't believe BS he spewed, slope gonna be slope, it can be stabilized with engineering measure but leave it as such, no amount of landslides will stabilize it

I only ask because I don't know but I belip after a long time will stabilize. And no I don't listen to one side. I'm actually neutral and I'm picking up here and there.
But based on the pic I attached people kenot simply blame gov.because gov not the one botakkan kawasan sebesar tu.
Even if they plan to make terrace land also needs expertise, tak boleh suka2 cincai terrace mah.

The thing is not about landslide or fire or water on the floor. It's about negligence. As long as you perform all ur duties, then they cannot take action against you. Like above, if you still fall down then it's your problem already. Easier to understand for laymen.

Yes you are correct it was negligence on their part.
Some say even got licence also kenot stop landslide which is true but with licence at least certain approved safety feature can be done for lesser damage.
And when gov really took part in measuring this safety measure, maybe gov will advise it's not "yet" suitable for camping as the land is not stable. Dunno the owner got consider this or not? Or buta-buta want to make fast money.
Incase there are no licence available, are there such gov officer/adviser that can analize the environment safety there before the camping business started?
Everything must be in black and white written to be fair for individual businessman or gov and all.

Have you seen the landslides around Karak/Bentong area? There is a lot of environmental destruction development going on there.

Some landslides happened till the bare rock of the gunung exposed underneath.

This post has been edited by Hobbez: Dec 24 2022, 05:54 PM

Kampung Raja at Cameron also. The banjir Lumpur is so terrible it's so frequent these days when it rain. Someone must do something about this. Pls don't wait until massive human lives kena only sorry sorry taichi here and there it's pointless oredi

got fire alarm installed or not or any fire safety

fire breakout might be an accident.
you setup hotel without lesen is your fault definitely not an accident