Yet in previous post wanna blame government. Plotek plotek. Username checks out.

Farming activities involve some degree of land clearing, which can contribute to soil erosion. Also allows faster soil saturation due to lack of vegetation cover.
The farm is located at lower part of the landslide. If the lower end's support has been compromised, the heavy load at higher part of the slope will collapse. Slope got heavier due to rainfall and soil saturation.

Government busy with rescue efforts to conduct geological investigation (if they will do it). We'll just have to wait to see if the farming activities contributed to the landslide.

Residential, commercial, permanent structure semua ada existing rules and regulation. Lebih-lebih lagi benda yg perlu CF.

You really have comprehension problem. Can't answer my question and just repeat yourself like a bodo.

Sebab tu kalau kerajaan nak dakwa... kerajaan tak dakwa "operating whore house" kat mahkamah. Dia akan prosecute benda-benda lain yang dia boleh sabitkan. Cukai, illegal deposit taking, dan sebagainya.

Persoalannya di sini... bukan nak kata yang buat campsite tu tak salah. Tapi dari segi undang-undang, memang takda undang-undang khusus yang dia langgar. Dalam keadaan macam ni, memang susah dan makan kos yg amat tinggi nak dakwa.

Dari segi pihak pendakwaan, biasanya akan sangat teragak-agak nak teruskan. Sebab kalau kalah, akan set a precedence. Pendakwaan kalau boleh tak nak set any precedence yang tak berpihak pada dia. Bila dah ada precedence, sebarang kes yang sama di masa hadapan... hakim kelazimannya akan ikut precedence.

The take away... Sekarang semua PBT dan kerajaan negeri (sebab hal tanah) kena mula pecahkan kepala masing-masing untuk gubal undang-undang yang baru yang boleh merangkumi skop aktiviti sebegini.

Reason I didn't answer because u know the answer. You did not mention operator isn't wrong but u wanted to say govt also wrong. Your type of thinking same like Chinaman where u cannot take all the blame or u know just stfu and don't point blame to other unrelated party. Username checks out btw.

agriculture land can only perform agriculture purposes. you cannot turn it into a resort unless the state changes that particular land usage. no way the state gov will allow to change the land usage in the title.

camp or sleep or tour on the land is not illegal. Conducting resort type of business on that land is illegal.

Insiden ni lebih kurang sama seperti insiden kereta terlanggar pelanggan restoran mamak (meja/kerusi atas jalan atau bahu jalan). Bilangan mangsa memang lebih sedikit berbanding insiden ni, tapi post-incident reaction hampir sama.

1. Majoriti salahkan pengusaha restoran yang letak meja-kerusi atas jalan
2. Kerajaan janji untuk kuatkuasa undang-undang yang sedia ada.
3. Kerajaan hasrat untuk gubal undang-undang baru
4. Pengusaha restoran berhenti meletak meja-kerusi atas jalan atau bahu jalan.
5. Pengunjung lebih cenderung untuk duduk di dalam premis atau elak pergi terus.

Tapi lepas beberapa "news cycle", insiden mula lenyap dari ingatan. Keadaan kembali seperti dahulu. Pengusaha kembali letak kerusi-meja atas jalan, penguatkuasaan tiada, masyarakat kembali lepak atas jalan macam takda apa-apa.

Harap-harapnya lepas tragedi kali ni... perubahan yang sebenar akan berlaku di pihak:
- kerajaan (persekutuan, negeri, tempatan)
- pengusaha
- masyarakat sendiri

Just admit you can't read or skimmed over that part intentionally

I did not skim over that part. I was well awarw of you trying to pin the blame on govt as well when the person in question is solely the farmland operator. Username checks out.

nop.
Tats not how we should see it.
From my view, some ppl are looking for someone to eat the dead cat

Camping is not a fix structure, that whr the issue comes from. License needed for permenant structure, yes. Temporary, No
No government sector has come to running the law for the camping on natural...
From how the news said, the owner did run around to look for the right license, it just never there in the rules book...

More or less like how they circulate the cyber bullying law...It is something new to the society


Something government might want to look into in the future are
- How should they make the law nd ruling for this portion...
- More importantly, prevent landslide problem...

You see, license is not foolproof. like you got license? Landslide will avoid you...

This post has been edited by taitianhin: Dec 22 2022, 04:24 PM

Just keep proving you can't read. Carry on.

Well said. I particularly agree on the last para

"Among those that received the notices are the D’Aini Chalet, M&F Agro Resort, Dmec Waterfall Cafe, Tingkat Valley and D’Sungai Meru. These premises are at risk of water surges, flash flooding and are located near slopes," he said.

Rumaizi added the council had conducted checks at eleven high risk locations in the city.

"These checks are being done regularly especially during this monsoon season.
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2022...-and-landslides

With the license, the local council can conduct checks and likely to halt their activities and hence no one will die at that time. The deceased must have assumed your business is a legit one especially since you hired workers as well. If legit means got a periodical check by authority. Since now without a license, you cannot drag the gov along.

If roadside burger stall, any reasonable person will know they have no license and if you got food poisoning and died, you cannot blame lor.

This post has been edited by Accord2018: Dec 22 2022, 04:28 PM

Ya..i noticed the afterthought by Govern...
At least they are doing something as prevention for now.
This issue is definitely in their 2023 checklist for sure now...

Right or wrong. Government can only do what they do now...
As citizen, we shd crosscheck their work and keep yourself prudent

Alive is alive, Dead is dead. There is no Chicken out issue here

This post has been edited by taitianhin: Dec 22 2022, 04:30 PM

Sini plotek aja. People died because of greed, must be government fault.

i know is kopitiam...
But you seems to wanting to blame on either side

Why not a poll for that and collect /k opinion? Instead of...1 liner reply?

I wouldn't be noisy about that greedy farm if they just stfu and don't blame government? They are starting to play point finger first, obviously as a reader, I know it's wrong. Nobody can prevent landslides and death is inevitable if it's going to happen. What's the reason to point finger to government when:

The farmland doesn't have license to run a campsite or resort type of business - This proves that the farmland development did not pass through necessary safety check points if any, related to operating a resort type business.

What the government get when they operate a campsite that's not licensed? How is the government to be blamed? I read that people are saying government doesn't put rules and regulation for campsite; congratulations, now they're doing it. More bureaucracy and unnecessary procedures to do business. Owner of farmland; baca news, blame government, wash hand. Zero accountability.

"Some survivors and family members cursed at me at the site – I fully understand. All I can do is bow my head in apology," he said.

He also expressed his remorse to victims and their families, adding that he would assist them in any way possible.

wrong is still wrong to conduct business without license at high risk place. that's why the survivors and family are angry. gov won't allow you to do that kind of business, but you are still stubborn to do it for profit. If it's free, people wun angry lor. If you charge people money then you must perform ur due diligence.

From a news portal, it did mentioned he did a lot of safety check. As a regular hikers and camper he is alright.
I personally not expert in this, and never visit the site and many other in this Thread...

So, lets just say assume he is super good in the Safety for the site...

But hey, he is not geological expert. Neither has government initiate to conduct such checking for any land nearby.
Is probably late to start now, it better than never. I guess...

Those lost souls would not be recover by any methods.....