"Some survivors and family members cursed at me at the site – I fully understand. All I can do is bow my head in apology," he said.

He also expressed his remorse to victims and their families, adding that he would assist them in any way possible.

wrong is still wrong to conduct business without license at high risk place. that's why the survivors and family are angry. gov won't allow you to do that kind of business, but you are still stubborn to do it for profit. If it's free, people wun angry lor. If you charge people money then you must perform ur due diligence.

i know is kopitiam...
But you seems to wanting to blame on either side

Why not a poll for that and collect /k opinion? Instead of...1 liner reply?

From a news portal, it did mentioned he did a lot of safety check. As a regular hikers and camper he is alright.
I personally not expert in this, and never visit the site and many other in this Thread...

So, lets just say assume he is super good in the Safety for the site...

But hey, he is not geological expert. Neither has government initiate to conduct such checking for any land nearby.
Is probably late to start now, it better than never. I guess...

Those lost souls would not be recover by any methods.....

Government allow or not, I wouldnt comment la...
Anytime is good time for create creative business kut...
Is just bad timing, and wrong place for him and most of the camper...

All in all, is natural Disaster

competitor kot

Should be accountable ma because he said he's the one who did safety for the site. Because Father's Organic Farmland did the safety check, therefore it is only logical they are the one to be blamed. Because if they knew any better, they would've closed the campsite due to heavy downpour in the last few weeks. If government is indeed involved in safety check + ada kertas dengan tandatangan, it's easier to get government support to handle this tragedy. I can imagine kena marah teruk sana but what's the point in blaming government when it is solely their responsibility. Government now also come help also need to cash out to pay for each dead bodies, still wanna throw curveballs to imply government at wrong. Ini macam perangai, won't be surprised if kill own parents for benefit.

dun forget u leased the land from gov. Take out the lease agreement sure got clause to say you cannot do any other things except agriculture related. if u follow the clause then no life would perish at that morning

I think the point is hard to say who is fully taking the blame.
Government answer: We will prevet any future occurence
Owner answer: I did all checking i can, I try apply but government say no such license avai, is not that i plan to kill them at the first place

Even taking blame is meaningless in many contexts
Hard to say la...we wouldnt know
Have to see the lease contract first

Not fair to judge on things we didnt see

There are always grey area when it comes to Contract...

Such like, is it okay to cut wood nearby under this contract?
Can we raise Rabbit and allow visitor to visit?
Can they do BBQ on the site? HOw abt packed Nasi lemak for Visitor?
Can we hire visitor to work on farm?

As entrepreneur, nothing comes easy when you are the pioneer. And he just met the devil...

I wouldn't be noisy about that greedy farm if they just stfu and don't blame government? They are starting to play point finger first, obviously as a reader, I know it's wrong. Nobody can prevent landslides and death is inevitable if it's going to happen. What's the reason to point finger to government when:

The farmland doesn't have license to run a campsite or resort type of business - This proves that the farmland development did not pass through necessary safety check points if any, related to operating a resort type business.

What the government get when they operate a campsite that's not licensed? How is the government to be blamed? I read that people are saying government doesn't put rules and regulation for campsite; congratulations, now they're doing it. More bureaucracy and unnecessary procedures to do business. Owner of farmland; baca news, blame government, wash hand. Zero accountability.

he host up to 100 pax at one time, and it never occur to him if anything bad happened such as fire and etc, he is open to shit load of tort law liability?

greed is certainly take over his brain

How is it a resort?

He also said he did the safety check, obviously now the blame should lie on him. Even in engineering the one who pass the safety check first kena blame. If he does the safety check himself, ada ke governing body or outer party with credibility to check their side did their due diligence? If takde then the safety measurements are solely on the farm's side and should've not blame government.

One thing I realized is that this forum think take blame = bad guy. Taking blame is part of accountability. From how I see it, Father's Organic Farmland are trying their best to brush it off just like that and pass it to the government including trying to blame government. Really irresponsible.

some people here like to focus on gov's incompetency, while all the claim of applying for license is just one side statement from operator. they also avoid to touch on operator's accountability citing it is purely due to natural disaster.

no sure what is their motive

he got another development plan approved for resort on another plot of land

look like he also aware that he threading a thin line and in fact running a resort business

Well I purposely hinting chinaman mentality tho admittedly I'm a racist. I read enough chinese manhwa to know Father's organic farmland has young master attitude, always depicted as villains in the story. In a more serious note, I probably think they think from different angle or just don't know some engineering stuffs and we're just looking on different angle. AAs much as people hate the government, when shit hit the fans, people crying for government just proves that people need government.

Isn’t that another matter. Unrelated to the camp grounds, right?
Not defending but aren’t the requirements different?

let me just ask you one simple question

what do you think is operator's accountability in this case?

You cannot make generalisations like that. His accountability is yet to be determined, if any.

so you think he is not accountable for anything lo