I read all your replies.

Your angle is that as there is no existing license for the camping business, the owner claim is true. Also, it is a private property, owner can do whatever they want.

But your mindset is limited due to maybe you never own land before.

As stated, land have their own distinctive purpose. It will be mentioned in the title the purpose of the land. If it is for rubber plantation, you cant simply plant sawit.

The land he own is for farming, that is what in the title.

There is no license for camping site business because it doesn't exist. What exist in place if your land is a commercial title. Then under that, you should able to find the existing license for tourism.

Now, you want to argue that because it was owned by the farmer, he can do a camp site if he wanted to because there is no specific prohibition for people to camp on their own land.

You are correct if the family or relatives of the farmer camps there. However, the farmer make the camp site as a tourist spot. Hence, he is illegally conducting a business that he has no permit to do.

Not only he is not permitted, he is now responsible for the death of people who stay in his farm without knowing existing risk of that area.

If you go to any government owned tourist area, there will be a board that will mention if there is any health risk or dangerous risk associated with the place.

Govt, operator, rakyat all busy playing blame game. Seems nobody wants to ensure better prevention or mitigation for future deaths.

Ahhh beautiful beautiful Malaysia.

Go picnic got do business meh

Imagine everyone think like u , simply open business anywhere without permit. Wait, I guess u are one of them.

Correction, less frequent and smaller scale. There are natural landslides, usually in specific conditions like rainy season.

Not easy to observe if there are no humans around the area. We usually only report those that impact human activities, for obvious reasons.

Macam ada, tapi macam takde pun. So siapa fitnah?

Don't know about license for jungle trekking but you have to notify police or Jabatan hutan. Public places all regulations under gomen department.

The point is, the organizer themselves aren't bright enough to have safety measures or understand the risk to begin with. Why have to blame government? In the end government gives license. The one that makes money is the organizer not government. In this matter, there's no way it's government's fault, it's solely the organizer's fault. Takde lesen > incompetent government.

Just my two cents on the matter but one of the most famous landslides was the Highland Towers collapse. you can read it here especially the part under "Lawsuits":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highland_Towers_collapse



Its funny we put such a high standard on the campsite operator but as he rightly points out that the landslide originated from its uphill neighbour which is under gov and quite clearly there was a public road next to it and we don't put blame there.

My guess its because we have a "good government" now.

Is a tourism license also needed for all those farms that are open to the public?

So u mean profit is important, bisnes owner no need any standard checking especially at area they know has been designated as high risk?
Go check photo of the farm...some are clearly showing high risk area.

I like u as consumer. Pls continue defending such bisnes owner.

1) Kerajaan bina jalan untuk rangsang ekonomi dan kemudahan orang awam. Buang duit je bina jalan kat bukit kalau takde sebab.

2)Tu lereng bukit. Lereng bukit memang akan ada tanah runtuh. Banyak tered ada kat /k sini jugak kau pilih nak buang bodoh.

I terLOL-ed. Wonder if pengunjumg ask for free fruits and vege they will comply.

err isn't any land not owned privately is tanah kerajaan ?

govt did not give license to operate camp

Indeed liability still falls upon the operator simply on 2 terms:

1. Land owned by them
2. Land use designation licensed by council is not for tourism ; therefore it is wrong for campsite business.

operator will fully bear the blame

This post has been edited by quad: Dec 21 2022, 05:28 PM

just say public land la...
now kerajaan yang help out, now still aci aco say tanah kerajaan like kerajaan fault?

technically correct term but like i said, poor choice of word.

Everybody else understands the concept, only u jer pretend confuse.

Berapa commission FoF bagi kat u posting sini?

I'm just curious. Tanya pun tak boleh?

All u do is defend defend defend. I edi said u can blame and fine the operator cos no license. But the gomen no survey and close the place aso wrong.

And more importantly the victims are all adults. They know is rainy seasons. They know is slope. They know is hillside. Yet they go and camp. So who wrong?

Only 1 party or all aso bear responsibility??

Don't suddenly struck me by saying I'm one of them. U no think from all angle. Just focus too narrow on the victims.

This mentality of absolving government of actually governing is why our government is so lax. It is encouraging them to continue to not govern as blame only shifts to 1 party when multiple parties have stakes in safety measures.

Furthermore you missed the whole point of takde lesen. Literally no lesen to apply for even if any operator wanted to.