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How can you correct me when you sometimes misinterpret the Bible, as I have already shown a few times (which you of course mostly denied).?,  but you have admitted once, .......
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self explanatory.. sadly you dont read well.. its your comment and im quoting it..  ive never missed any of your verses.. you've ignored them all :-)

If you think your works and effort sustains your salvation, and thats your reward.. then you are not doing enough.. Jesus has clearly said
Matthew 5:17," Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
Jesus was here to fulfil the law, that no man be JUDGED by works/LAW but only by Faith and Grace.

But in your persistence to do good.. you're not good enough..
Matthew 5:20,"For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."

Acts 4:12,"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

Acts 16:30,31,"And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."
So, was it Believe and DO GOOD WORKS? Believe and CONTINUE TO DO GOOD WORKS?
NO!
the ONLY word was BELIEVE!
Acts 16:34,"And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house."

ONLY BELIEVE!!

2 Timothy 1:9,"Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,"
NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS!!
NO!!!

So, if you so strongly believe your works can sustain your salvation, are you saying 2 Timothy 1:9 is CONDITIONAL?  is NOT COMPLETE?
NO!!
The Bible DOES NOT CONTRADICT itself..

your understanding is MUST be Bible based

"Your above self-set pre-condition added to our Bible discussion is like the Pharisees and Jews not allowing Jesus Christ to have His apostles/disciples accompanying Him and bear witness to His ministry of salvation through His atoning blood shed on the Cross. IOW,it's like they only allowed Jesus Christ to speak/comment/opine alone."

Thank God the wolf have shown his skin.. and thank you for re-sharing the replies I have posted.
Funny it feels like only from the last few replies when I have shake my dust of my feet at your doorstep, you become less repetitive.. and have more to reply.. So take some time.. go back to pg49.. READ the bible verses I replied you with.. UNDERSTAND it.. and REFLECT on your mistakes.. 
the ones you quoted here me.. and ALL the replies you ignored.. were consistently made of 2 segments
1. To answer the verses you used.. WITH THE BIBLE
2. To ask you to use ONLY the BIBLE.. and read it.. unfortunately as a Baptist.. you tend to filter and ignore sound doctrine..
Any layman would have the same conclusion on your disillusioned mind where you put assumptions and blasphemy..
Reflect and repent..

Hebrews 4:12,"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

And thank you for replying exactly what i've been consistently saying in ALL my replies.
"Fyi, I have been posting Bible commentaries/opinions by other mature Christians via links at RWI without any complaints from other posters there, eg from atheists, Buddhists, Christians, etc. Your complaint is the first."
2 Timothy 4:3,4,"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."
See the pattern? 'Commentaries? Opinions?' of.. 'MATURE' Christians????
Turning away from the TRUTH Aka BIBLE?
Turned into fables?? Aka fiction/stories to enforce truth/precept? all this are dictionary definitions btw.. go fact check it..
Bible has made it very clear for your harderned heart. 

1 John 4:1,"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."
2 Peter 2:1,"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction."
2 Corinthians 11:13," For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ."
Good luck in hearing your pastors over the BIBLE..
The fact you seek acknowledgement from PEOPLE? from other RELIGIONS??? not the BIBLE?? 
2 Corinthians 6:14,"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?"
1 Timothy 6:3,"If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;"
1 Timothy 6:4,"He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,"
1 Timothy 6:5,"Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself."
I dont know about RWI, but shame on the thread if no sound Biblical doctrine and Bible verses are being discussed, but rather OPINIONS and COMMENTARIES!! 
I don't care if it's even Martin Luther, but if he cant preach from the BIBLE, and he preaches against what the BIBLE says.. he's a FALSE APOSTLE for all I care.. And that's what the BIBLE SAYS!

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No la. I have not ignored ALL your Bible comments/opinions.
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I have ignored a few of your Bible comments/opinions for various reasons, eg because they were false accusations that I believe in justification for salvation by works. Eg, .......

Those you ignored ?
Jul 28
1. Your blasphemy Once Saved Always Saved is wrong
- Ephesians 2:8-10 (ignored)
- James 2:18-20 (ignored; cos you say James is teaching wrongly?)

2. You quoted 1 Peter 1:3 in your 'commentary'
- 1 Peter 1:3-5 (ignored after I brought up especially v4)
- Hebrews 4:v2,v10 (ignored as well)

3. You brought up Deuteronomy 18:9-14 as a possibility of losing faith cos of works
- replied with Galations 2:16 (ignored again)
- Ephesians 2:8-10 (Constantly being ignored)

4. You quoted Revelations 5:1, Daniel 12:8
- Replied with John 10:28 (ignored as usual)
- Backed with Hebrews 10:26, John 3:16

5. Because you swayed to far from the main topic of 'demonic possession'
I had to SUMMARIZE it for you again
- 1 John 4:4, 1 Corinthians 3:16, 2 Corinthians 6:16, Romans 8:9, Ephesians 1:13,14, 1 John 4:1
of course, you ignored them all :-)
July 29
6. In response to 1 Peter, you requoted 1 Peter in your 'Race'
- 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 - RACE, BODY (ignored again)
- Revelation 4:10 -  CROWNS! (Ignored entirely)

7. In response to your 1 Corinthians 15:50 (incoruptable)
- 1 Corinthians 15:49, 50, 53 ( obviously ignored cos you filtered all verses and just want to talk about v50 wihtout understanding)

8. You bring up parable of the Sower, Matthew 13:18-23
- Matthew 13: 13 (ignored)
- Matthew 13:19 (ignored as well)

9. You bring up Philippians 2:12
- Philippians 2:9,10,13 (ignored, cos you again dont want to understand and fixated on only v12.)

10.You brought up 'fear' and 'trembling'
- Proverbs 9:10 (ignored)
- 2 Corinthians 7:1 (ignored)
- 1 Timothy 4:1 (I repeated to you on your blasphemy in translation, ignored)
- Matthew 10:33 (This is the best.. you even had your own translation of what DENY is, rather than understanding the ORIGINAL BIBLE language of DENY)

11. You brought up losing salvation but you cant back it up in any of the bible verses
- 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18

12. You brought up Judas losing his salvation
Matthew 27:4

13. You ARGUE on the Parable of the seeds
- Mark 4:5-7 (parallel verse for this parable but well.. you ignored)

14. You ask WHY FEAR?
- Psalms 86:11 (ignored)
- 2 Corinthians 7:1 (ignored)
- Ephesians 5:21 (ignored)
- Hebrews 12:28- 29 (ignored)

15. you raised Lot's Wife.. Peter's Holy Spirit
- Luke 17:31,32 (ignored)
- 1 JOHN 1:17 (ignored)
- Romans 5:19 (ignored)
- Acts 1:1-4 (ignored)

16. You started quoting 1 Corinthians 9:27 , and 2 Peter 1:10
- 1 Corinthians 9:24 (ignored)
- 2 Peter 1:10 (asked for reference of your claim in losing salvation , ignored)
- James 2:18 (the reference for 2 Peter 1:10 - IGNORED)

17. possibility of losing FAITH and you trying to sustain it
- Matthew 5:17 (you trying = YOUR WORK , but you ignore it) ; not sure how you wanna spin this away if you sustaining it is not a 'work'
- Acts 4:12
- 2 Timothy 1:9 (you can't lose your faith and 'unchoose' God, cos GOD CHOSE US.. but you ignored)
a lot more! but you get the picture..
every single verse you use , i SURELY answer..
Every single CLAIM you do, I SURELY BACK IT with the BIBLE..
but you have nothing but tons and tons of opinions and commentaries

Once you are saved, you are forever saved and Spirit dwells in you, FOREVER.
The only reason a ‘Christian’ is possessed is because the Spirit of Christ was never there to begin with

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https://www.gotquestions.org/lose-the-Holy-Spirit.html - Can You Lose The Holy Spirit?
.... Acts 2 describes the transition from the Old Testament economy to the New as it pertains to the Holy Spirit. The disciples were gathered for prayer, waiting for the promise of the Father, in obedience to Jesus (John 14:26; Acts 1:4, 8). As they prayed, the Holy Spirit fell upon them all and filled them (verse 3–4). Jesus’ promise was fulfilled, and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit came upon all who had trusted in Christ. That outpouring resulted in courage in the face of opposition, love for all humanity, and supernatural gifts and abilities to further the gospel (1 Corinthians 12:4; Hebrews 2:4). ...

2TIMOTHY.1: = 13 Hold fast the pattern of sound words which you have heard from me, in faith and love which are in Christ Jesus. 14 That good thing which was committed to you, keep by the Holy Spirit who dwells in us.
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GALATIANS.3:2 = 2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

= The Holy Spirit is received by Christians by faith in Christ.
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MATTHEW.10: = 32 “Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. 33 But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.

= cf: Peter denied Christ 3X (= he lost faith) before the cock crowed.  The resurrected Jesus Christ had to "re-save" Peter by appearing to him after he had fled back to being a fisherman in his hometown.
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REVELATION.20: = Satan Bound 1,000 years ...

The Saints Reign with Christ 1,000 Years ....

Satanic Rebellion Crushed

7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

= 1THESSALONIANS.4:16-17 prophesied the 2nd Coming of the Lord/God Jesus Christ to earth when He will destroy all unbelievers on earth after rapturing living Christians and resurrecting dead/asleep Christians.

Jesus will then create a new earth to rule over the Christians in peace for 1,000 years - the Millennial Kingdom.

REVELATION.20 above prophesy that some of these millennial Christians will be deceived by Satan at the end of the 1,000 years, eg because of complacency, forgetfulness, temptations, false teachings/doctrines of demons, demonic impersonation, etc = the raptured/resurrected Christians will lose faith in Christ = will lose the Holy Spirit.

So, if even millennial Christians can somehow lose faith in Christ (= lose the Holy Spirit) through Satan's/demons' deception, so too can today's true Christians lose the Holy Spirit by losing faith in Christ or denying/renouncing the faith, departing from the faith, etc. Correct.?
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P S - REVELATION.13:11-18 & 14:9 prophesy the powerful world governments will be mandating everyone to receive the mark-of-the-beast (computer chip implants.?), in order to buy or sell stuffs. Will even true Christians receive this mark = will lose salvation because they lose faith in Christ = will also lose the Holy Spirit.?

This will be a "sequel" to how most of the apostles of Christ were martyred for not obeying the Imperial decree to worship the Roman Emperor or his statue as God - MATTHEW.24:15.
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I agree.. all the miracles by Jesus and the disciples are real..and has a record..
but despite that , we should be mindful Bible never say God cant do miracles...
If God willing, miracles MAY happen.. just that.. for the churches to somewhat commercialize it is a shame..

Just dropping by, and checking out the madness from the past few pages.
I'm mostly familiar with the points of debates/questioning that apologist usually answers(Frank Turek, Cliff Knecthle, William Lane Craig). But shit....some of the questions asked are so insane, its actually good if youre trolling. If not, my man, get some serious medical help. Also, seek knowledge outside of your own church, community, with all the "flavors" out there, the chance of you getting the pure version is pretty low (unless you researched and experienced tons of churches).

Still insist its opinions?
LOL
Prove that you dont read my replies.. which are ALL BIBLE VERSES! Merely replying for the sake of it..

Your heart is so hardened.. There's nothing to comment if even plain Bible verses cant get to your heart.. only prayers and God can

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All were BIBLE VERSES! Lols.. comments? Opinions? you need a dictionary.. those verses are self explanatory even without me putting words..
Still.. all ignored.. reasons its the BIBLE? highlight which is an opinion or comment? Let's see them together if its truly a 'comment' as you so claim.

Please see in the LIST OF IGNORANCE you have.. and re-read them ..
When you quoted this, I told you none says you lose the Holy Spirit. YOU OPINONATED SO! and for your benefit (in case you lack understanding and reading), please dont ignore the verses YOU YOURSELF shared

Did it say you lose the Holy Spirit?
John 14:26, "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you"

Did it say you lose the Holy Spirit?
Acts 1:4,"And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me."
Acts 1:8,"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."

Did it say you lose the Holy Spirit?
1 Corinthians 12:4,"Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit"
Hebrews 2:4,"God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?"

Don't get me wrong. I agree that's the HOLY SPIRIT.. what I think you're delusional, is you copy and paste, and come to your own conclusions without even READING the verses!

2 Timothy 1:13? I told you and explained to you already. Did you read? nevermind, ill reshare it..
(To your question of 'Why Fear?', READ IT, its not an OPINION.. its the BIBLE!)
2 Timothy 1:7,8,"For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;"
(READ IT! What did the Bible say? its English so im not going to define the words cos its self explanatory.)
2 Timothy 1:9,"Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,"
UNDERSTAND PLEASE! "....which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began"
Did it say you lose the Holy Spirit?
You are already CHOSEN ! and as usual, cherry picking the bible and not reading it entirely..
2 Timothy 1:13,14,"Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us."
What does it say?
Hold fast the form of sound words
committed unto thee
keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us

So you wanna add a .. YOU LOSE YOUR HOLY SPIRIT? your OPINION? your DOCTRINE????
Matthew 10:32
My goodness.. why do you keep IGNORING the BIBLE?
Go look at item 10 on the IGNORANCES..
MATTHEW 10:32,".. DENY.."
Deny = arnēsomai = ἀρνήσομαι
Hello? ITS THE BIBLE! ITS THE ORIGINAL GREEK LANGUAGE!!
and ἀρνήσομαι or arnēsomai, or back in the KJV times the word DENY, is DISOWN!
HELLO? BIBLE!! Its like you referring to a dictionary.. not an opinion.. yours is.. this is FACT..
Revelation 20, 1 Thesallonians 4:16-17.
I told you.. NATIONS! you call them as CHRISTIANS.. and say they lose faith?
Who's putting in words into the Bible..

Revelations 13:11-18, 14:9,
Mark of the beast. wont be saved. thats a FACT..
Bible didnt mention saved Christians would receive the mark.. thats ALSO a FACT..
Matthew 24:15,"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)"
This will be a "sequel" to how most of the apostles of Christ were martyred for not obeying the Imperial decree to worship the Roman Emperor or his statue as God - MATTHEW.24:15.
This.. is YOUR OPINION.. "how most of the apostles of Christ "

Blasphemy.
Disciples asking Jesus about end of the world
Matthew 24:3," And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"
Context of the end of world type of people
Matthew 24:11,"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many."
Hope for PEOPLE to be saved; Still didnt mention losing of faith FYI..
Matthew 24:13,"But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."
Who it was preached to!
Matthew 24:14,"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."
Matthew 24:15,"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)"

So you have effectively reworded Matthew 24:14?  suddenly ,"...in all the world..." becomes CHRISTIANS?
Matthew 24:15 is talking about the world..  WHOSO READETH, LET HIM UNDERSTAND.. READ  ! PLEASE !

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Is your above post ALL Bible verses or just your Bible comments/opinions or views on the Bible verses.?

Fyi, the meaning of Bible verse, .......

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/verse
verse - noun

4 : one of the short divisions into which a chapter of the Bible is traditionally divided
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Delusional as usual
Just pick any example of what you claim to be my opinion of a Bible verse.

We’ll take it from there

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Fyi, it's not biblical to reject quoted commentaries by other mature Christians or "counselors". AFAIK, here at SK, Christians can discuss matters cordially. Only at RWI, Christians can debate matters heatedly against one another. .......

PROVERBS.11: = 14 Where there is no counsel, the people fall;
But in the multitude of counselors there is safety.
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My opinions are also based on the Bible. The difference between our opinions is which of our opinion is more in line with the Word of God/Jesus or Bible. Eg, which one of us is misinterpreting, misquoting, quoting out-of-context or misusing the Bible.?
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As I said, if the BIBLE ALONE, is not enough for you..and opinions are your flavours, then all the best to you.
Proverbs 18:2 ,"A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself."
2 Timothy 3:16,"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
Matthew 4:4,"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."
In Jesus' ministry and approach, COUNTLESS TIMES, Jesus quoted the WORD of God Which was the old testament.
I will still ignore opinions that has no word of God /biblical basis.

Very interesting you quote Proverbs 11:14. Dont ignore Proverbs 11:9,"An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour: but through knowledge shall the just be delivered." KNOWLEDGE! The WORD OF GOD! NOT OPINIONS
and if you lack understanding of Proverbs 11:14,"Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety."
Counsellors.. THROUGH THE WORD OF GOD! NOT OPINIONS..

If your opinions are biblically based, show me the verses and i show you your lack of understanding.
1PETER.1:3-5
So technically you are saying 1 Peter 1: v3 is addressed to one group of people? and suddenly v4 is to a DIFFERENT group?
If this is how you understand the Bible, then it explains why you dont understand it.

1 Corinthians 15:
Have you actually READ IT?
1 Corinthians 15:2,"By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain."
1 Corinthians 15:50,"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."
V49?,"And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly."
V53?,"For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

You quote these verses but event in NKJV, have you read and understood it?
we SHALL BE CHANGED!.. SHALL BE!! Thats why in v50, we CANT inherit the kingdom of God UNTIL we be changed!

so the question to you is, do you have confidence in your faith? Can you show from the Bible you are saved?
Ephesians 3:12,"In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him."
What kind of faith do you have if you think you can work your way to heaven?

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ISAIAH.9:6 = 6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

PROVERBS.12 = 12:20 Deceit is in the heart of those who devise evil,
But counselors of peace have joy.

EZRA.7:14 = 14 And whereas you are being sent by the king and his seven counselors to inquire concerning Judah and Jerusalem, with regard to the Law of your God which is in your hand; ...

2CHRONICLES.22:4 = . 4 Therefore he did evil in the sight of the Lord, like the house of Ahab; for they were his counselors after the death of his father, to his destruction. 

= no la. You are misinterpreting "counselors" as the Word of God or God's Law/commandments.
....... Jesus the Word (JOHN.1:1 & 14) = Counselor =/= Counselors.

The Bible often refers to counselors as people who could be good or evil counselors, ... and often refers to God's Law as good counsel.
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Seems you believe in the false doctrine of "Once Saved Always Saved" or OSAS, .......

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=110126880 - How does one know they are saved?, And not going to hell? - RWI
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No la. I believe even saints or "true" Christians can lose faith = lose salvation if they are over-confident, not sober, vigilant, careful, wary, etc. And if such were to then dabble in the occult, they can become demon-possessed or demon-oppressed like King Saul.
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1CORINTHIANS.9:27 = 27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.
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HEBREWS.3: = 12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. ...
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If saints or "true" Christians do not or cannot lose salvation by losing faith in Christ, why did the apostle Paul warn them about unbelief or losing belief/faith/trust in God or in Jesus Christ.?
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2PETER.1: = 5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble;  ...

= "true" Christians can stumble and lose their salvation/election by not diligently doing the good works that are the fruits of faith in Christ. .......
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Again, your false  (demonic) accusations, and also abusing the Bible to fit your own narrative/opinion against others. .......

REVELATION.12:10 = 10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.  ...

12 Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

Btw, what is your comment/opinion on the false doctrine of "Once saved, always saved" or OSAS, which 'unknown warrior' taught.?
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That’s the summary yes

So far there’s lack of Biblical discussion by that lurkingaround fella  that says OSAS is wrong , while plenty of Bible verses that affirms your salvation.
And he’s probably lost (Yes, his claims is the book of James is wrong and God put it there on purpose)

Feel free to indulge me in verses that says you lose your faith.. I don’t mind repeating the Bible verses for discussion as long as it’s BIBLE BASED

Delusional as usual
Just pick any example of what you claim to be my opinion of a Bible verse.

We’ll take it from there

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We have already done that with your Bible comment/opinion about the Bible word "counselors", which to me, your comment/opinion is wrong. .......

Did you read when I clarified your “Counselors” in the next reply and from the BIBLE verse itself? 
I guess not
Like all the Bible verses you ignored..

I imagine else can get somewhere with the truth.
Please continue to elaborate.. how does the word “counsellors” become an opinion?

Did you forget I quoted the Bible and there are also “evil counsellors?”

My advice to you.. is put down your pride..

. Please elaborate so?
Whatever copy and paste you did, I even explained their Bible verses.. in the long incomplete list of Bible verses you ignored
So, were there biblical discussions? If you understand what it means..

And do not ignore the accusations you so freely make

That’s the summary yes

So far there’s lack of Biblical discussion by that lurkingaround fella  that says OSAS is wrong , while plenty of Bible verses that affirms your salvation.
And he’s probably lost (Yes, his claims is the book of James is wrong and God put it there on purpose)

Feel free to indulge me in verses that says you lose your faith.. I don’t mind repeating the Bible verses for discussion as long as it’s BIBLE BASED

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So, what is your comment/opinion on the false doctrine of "Once saved, always saved" or OSAS, which 'unknown warrior' taught.?
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For the second time , and in my previous reply
(if you even bother to read, and not just reply for the sake of it)

I told you I don't know what this guy or girl taught.
Whatever you think he taught, let me know.. I'll just refer to the Bible and then comment if its true or false..

As to my comment/opinion on Once saved, always saved,
those are NOT my comments but BIBLE VERSES which i showed you.
and again.. for probably the 50th time i told you, READ, and dont ignore it..

and if you need me to repeat it..for your salvation' sake..
Read!! and i wont even add my own words, in case you falsely accuse them as 'opinions/comments'
John 3:16
John 5:24
Romans 8:1

John 10:28-29," And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."
"...eternal life;...neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand...no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."

------> (in case your opinions/comments is WHAT IF GOD/JESUS is the one that PLUCK IT OUT?)
-----------> Matthew 28:20," Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
----------->  Hebrews 13:5, ""Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee"
-----------> Romans 8:38,39,"For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
----------->  2 Corinthians 5:17,"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
And to your question of sinning Christians losing salvation..
1 John 3:9

As to my comment/opinion on Once saved, always saved,
those are NOT my comments but BIBLE VERSES which i showed you.
and again.. for probably the 50th time i told you, READ, and dont ignore it..

and if you need me to repeat it..for your salvation' sake..
Read!! and i wont even add my own words, in case you falsely accuse them as 'opinions/comments'
John 3:16
John 5:24
Romans 8:1

John 10:28-29 [ ," And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me , is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."
"...eternal life;...neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand...no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."

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JOHN.10:28-29 needs to be cross-referenced with JOHN.17:6-12, in order to not misinterpret the former as applying to ALL "true" Christians/believers or sheep. .......

JOHN.17: = Jesus Prays For His Disciples (= apostles)
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11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father , keep through Your name those whom You have given Me , that they may be one as We are. 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. ....

Jesus Prays For All Believers

20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;  ... 
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Here lies the danger..
When you reference John 17:6-12, do you understand it?
Again let me repeat your 'believe' and as a result, the 'interpretation'.
Your believe is YOU CAN LOSE YOUR FAITH, HENCE YOUR SALVATION
Your interpretation is from this is.. CHRISTIANS FALL OUT OF GRACE, AND HENCE NOT SAVED
I do not argue that yes, all this are in reference of TRULY SAVED CHRISTIANS.. nothing suggest otherwise..

The Message from the verse

John 17:11,12,"And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled."
You were chosen, God's choice,"...thou hast given me.."
Fulfilling the prophecy ,"...none of them is lost, but the son of perdition"
Wait...was there a verse that mention losing salvation somewhere there? Let me know if you see it.. do share 

John 17:20,"Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;"
Praying for NEW believers,".....which shall believe on me through their word"

Please explain from the verses you shared, which part of it contradicts John 10:28-29?
That you will LOSE YOUR SALVATION???

True Believers.. YES!! JAMES SAID SO!! I clearly state my point when i explained JAMES.

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As to my comment/opinion on Once saved, always saved,
those are NOT my comments but BIBLE VERSES which i showed you.
and again.. for probably the 50th time i told you, READ, and dont ignore it..

and if you need me to repeat it..for your salvation' sake..
Read!! and i wont even add my own words, in case you falsely accuse them as 'opinions/comments'
John 3:16
John 5:24
Romans 8:1

John 10:28-29 =  " And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me , is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."
"...eternal life;...neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand...no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."

------> (in case your opinions/comments is WHAT IF GOD/JESUS is the one that PLUCK IT OUT?)
-----------> Matthew 28:20," Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
----------->  Hebrews 13:5, ""Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee"
-----------> Romans 8:38,39,"For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
----------->  2 Corinthians 5:17,"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
And to your question of sinning Christians losing salvation..
1 John 3:9

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JOHN.10:28-29 needs to be cross-referenced with JOHN.17:6-12, in order to not misinterpret the former as applying to ALL "true" Christians/believers or sheep. .......

JOHN.17: = Jesus Prays For His Disciples (= apostles)
...
11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father , keep through Your name those whom You have given Me , that they may be one as We are. 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. ....

Jesus Prays For All Believers

20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;  ... 
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Enlighten me.. Where did i misinterpreted it..
Even though i kept my words to the MINIMAL and MERELY use Bible quotes.. please..please enlighten me where i 'misinterpreted' it.

I wont go into the details of your understanding for each of those verses yet..
but to remind you on the definition of KRIMA..
I have also cross checked all 'damnations' or 'Krima'.. it is indeed as defined below..
- Judgement/judgementS
- condemnation of wrong (severe or mild)


Due to that, there's a need to read 1 Timothy 5 to understand the 'Krima', and Romans 13:2, for what their 'Krima' is.
But one thing is clear, Krima as shown in Romans 2:2 clearly shows the example Krima is used for JUDGEMENT.. not HELL

Romans 2:2 ,"But we are sure that the judgment (κρίμα/Krima) of God is according to truth against them which commit such things."
1 Corinthians 6:7,"Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law (κρίμα/Krima) one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?"

Bible DO NOT contradict itself..
"...For this cause,.....weak... sickly among you.. sleep.."

Hope that clarifies your understanding on DAMNATION and KRIMA

As to my comment/opinion on Once saved, always saved,
those are NOT my comments but BIBLE VERSES which i showed you.
and again.. for probably the 50th time i told you, READ, and dont ignore it..

and if you need me to repeat it..for your salvation' sake..
Read!! and i wont even add my own words, in case you falsely accuse them as 'opinions/comments'
John 3:16
John 5:24
Romans 8:1

John 10:28-29 = " And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me , is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."
"...eternal life;...neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand...no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."

------> (in case your opinions/comments is WHAT IF GOD/JESUS is the one that PLUCK IT OUT?)
-----------> Matthew 28:20," Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
----------->  Hebrews 13:5, ""Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee"
-----------> Romans 8:38,39,"For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
----------->  2 Corinthians 5:17,"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

And to your question of sinning Christians losing salvation..
1 John 3:9

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JOHN.10:28-29 needs to be cross-referenced with JOHN.17:6-12, in order to not misinterpret the former as applying to ALL "true" Christians/believers or sheep. .......

JOHN.17: = Jesus Prays For His Disciples (= apostles)
...
11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father , keep through Your name those whom You have given Me , that they may be one as We are. 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. ....

Jesus Prays For All Believers

20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;  ... 
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Enlighten me.. Where did i misinterpreted it..
Even though i kept my words to the MINIMAL and MERELY use Bible quotes.. please..please enlighten me where i 'misinterpreted' it.

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Your misinterpretation of JOHN.10:28-29 is right here below, .......


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As shown by cross-referencing JOHN.17:6-12, the Bible verses at JOHN.10:28-29 is referring to Christ's apostles, not to ALL Christians/believers or sheep. So, you are misusing the Bible verse at JOHN.10:28-29 to back up your false doctrine of ALL Christians/believers being "Once Saved, Always Saved",  ".eternal life;...neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand...no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."
------> (in case your opinions/comments is WHAT IF GOD/JESUS is the one that PLUCK IT OUT?)" and "true" Christians do not sin = "Once Saved, Always Saved", as per your false assertion of "And to your question of sinning Christians losing salvation..  1 John 3:9"
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Are you confused? Not to SHEEP?
Read John 10:27," My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:"
THEY! = Sheep!
And subsequently John 10:28,"And I give unto them eternal life.."
THEM!!
Conclusion - Obviously your claims are FALSE. Cos you conveniently change John 10:28 to suit your own understanding, with NO BIBLE VERSES OR EXPLANATION

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Again, the "sheep" at JOHN.10:27 needs to be cross-referenced to MATTHEW.10:16 & 26:31 and JOHN.10:15-16 to correctly interpret the "sheep" as referring to the apostles, and not misinterpret it as referring to other Christians/believers who came into faith in Christ after the apostles, esp Gentile Christians like you and me. .......
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MATTHEW.10: (NKJV) = The Twelve Apostles

Sending Out The Twelve

16 “Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. 17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. 18 You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; 20 for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.
MATTHEW.26: = Jesus Predicts Peter’s Denial

31 Then Jesus said to them, “All of you will be made to stumble because of Me this night, for it is written:

‘I will strike the Shepherd,
And the sheep of the flock will be scattered.’

32 But after I have been raised, I will go before you to Galilee.”

33 Peter answered and said to Him, “Even if all are made to stumble because of You, I will never be made to stumble.”

34 Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you that this night, before the rooster crows, you will deny Me three times.”

35 Peter said to Him, “Even if I have to die with You, I will not deny You!”

And so said all the disciples.

JOHN.10: = 15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep . 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
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Your style of CROSS-REFERENCING and CHERRY PICKING
Matthew 10:16
You took the word sheep, and assumed it for apostles..
and Only looked at Matthew 10:16 when Jesus told the apostles they are sheep in the midst of wolves..
indeed the apostles are sheep, cos they believed..
But DONT IGNORE..
Matthew 10:6 ,"But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
so if we use your 'sheep' assumption, are you trying to say LOST APOSTLES of the house of Israel ?
NO RIGHT?
cos from the very start , you planted the idea its ONLY for the apostles.. Bible did not say so.
V16 is merely sheep looking for sheep ...

Matthew 26:31
Why are you referencing an Old Testament? and not dwell into it ?
This is from Zechariah 13:7,"Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the Lord of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones."
And Jesus is quoting it , not to say the disciples are sheep.. but in fulfilling the prophecy, and is referring to EVERYONE
And you wanna say im misinterpreting it?
Look what Peter said to back this fact..
Matthew 26:33,"Peter answered and said unto him, Though all men shall be offended because of thee, yet will I never be offended."
"ALL MEN.. "
Evidence and proof Jesus in v31, "...All ye shall be offended.."

so again I ask you, where in the Bible does it say sheep is ONLY apostles???
You cant find it cos its not true..
AGAIN , the Bible SHOWS YOU WHO IS THE SHEEP
Matthew 10:7,"Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep."
Matthew 10:9, "I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture."
Mind you this is the SAME DOOR... and the BIBLE clearly telling you... "......by me if any man..."
Hello.. ANY MAN.. NOT APOSTLES!!

Dont go saying these are opinions cos all of the above are merely words i take from the Bible..
Your claim apostles are sheeps, THATS an opinion cos no where in the Bible is it said so...

Did the Bible say otherwise?
What did the Bible say about this?

I know churches who see it as if it transformed into the real body and real blood of the Lord, another Catholic practice and tradition that came after the Protestant..
Good thing is, the BIBLE is the one source of truth and all can be explained from the Bible itself..

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Again, the "sheep" at JOHN.10:27 needs to be cross-referenced to MATTHEW.10:16 & 26:31 and JOHN.10:15-16 to correctly interpret the "sheep" as referring to the apostles, and not misinterpret it as referring to other Christians/believers who came into faith in Christ after the apostles, esp Gentile Christians like you and me. .......
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MATTHEW.10: (NKJV) = The Twelve Apostles

Sending Out The Twelve

16 “Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. 17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. 18 You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; 20 for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.

MATTHEW.26: = Jesus Predicts Peter’s Denial

31 Then Jesus said to them, “All of you will be made to stumble because of Me this night, for it is written:

‘I will strike the Shepherd,
And the sheep of the flock will be scattered.’

32 But after I have been raised, I will go before you to Galilee.”

33 Peter answered and said to Him, “Even if all are made to stumble because of You, I will never be made to stumble.”

34 Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you that this night, before the rooster crows, you will deny Me three times.”

35 Peter said to Him, “Even if I have to die with You, I will not deny You!”

And so said all the disciples.

JOHN.10: = 15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep . 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
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16 “Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves.

Who were the "you" referred to.?

In context, the "you" was Jesus Christ referring to the Twelve apostles, not to the "lost sheep" of Israel (early Jewish Christians were lost sheep who later got found) or the "other sheep" or Gentile Christians.
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JOHN.10: = 15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep . 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
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Why you ignore my above Bible quote about "other sheep" which refers to later Gentile Christians, ie not referring to Christ's apostles who were Jewish Christians.?
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Chronology of those who came to faith in Christ:

The apostles (= sheep) ---> early Jewish Christians (= lost sheep but later found) ---> Gentile Christians (= other sheep, eg converted by apostle Paul)
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Let's reply your confusion part by part..
Matthew 10:16
Who were "you" referred to..

Did you read my reply?
Sheep .. looking for sheep..
I did not the sheep did not include the apostles.. And what i certainly did not see and say is the exclusive rights of sheeps only for apostles..
And i showed you in Matthew 10:6.. dont ignore la please..

John 10:15,16
i overlooked that because of the many shocking misunderstandings you have of the Bible, including this.
and i stand corrected that's John instead of Matthew.
John 10:7,"Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep."
John 10:9, "I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture."
Mind you this is the SAME DOOR... and the BIBLE clearly telling you... "......by me if any man..."
Hello.. ANY MAN.. NOT APOSTLES!!

and continuing on to your John argument
the above John 10:7,9, already said clearly "any man"

'Other sheep' - is your own words its for Gentiles? other Christians? or there's a bible verse that refers as such?
See the danger?? ITS YOUR OWN WORDS when the Bible in previous few verses, CLEARLY talks about ANY MAN