QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Aug 2 2024, 05:58 PM)
MATTHEW.10: (NKJV) = The Twelve Apostles
Sending Out The Twelve
16 “Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. 17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. 18 You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; 20 for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.
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Fyi, you are falsely teaching that the sheep scourged in the synagogues and brought before governors and kings as in MATTHEW.10:16-20, were not only the apostles but included other sheep or Christians/believers like today's Gentile Christians. Including you and me too.?
= you are quoting MATTHEW.10:16-20 out-of-context as not referring to the Twelve apostles only but to also include other sheep or Christians/believers, like today's Gentile Christians, including you and me.
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JOHN.10: = 15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep . 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
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Why you ignore my above Bible quote about "other sheep" which refers to later Gentile Christians, ie not referring to Christ's apostles who were Jewish Christians.?
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Chronology of those who came to faith in Christ:
The apostles (= sheep) ---> early Jewish Christians (= lost sheep but later found) ---> Gentile Christians (= other sheep, eg converted by apostle Paul)
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= all the above sheep, ie the apostles, early Jewish Christians and later Gentile Christians, shall be saved from hell by faith in Christ, as per JOHN.10:7-9.
....... OTOH, JOHN.10:28-29's "sheep" was referring to the apostles whom the Father has given to Jesus Christ, which JOHN.17:11-12 says He kept and lost none of them except the "son of perdition", ie Judas Iscariot.
Please show the Bible verses that "other sheep" is not referring to Gentile Christians, eg those converted by Paul and falsely being Judaized by James - GALATIANS.2:9-14.
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Sending Out The Twelve
16 “Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. 17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. 18 You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; 20 for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.
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Fyi, you are falsely teaching that the sheep scourged in the synagogues and brought before governors and kings as in MATTHEW.10:16-20, were not only the apostles but included other sheep or Christians/believers like today's Gentile Christians. Including you and me too.?
= you are quoting MATTHEW.10:16-20 out-of-context as not referring to the Twelve apostles only but to also include other sheep or Christians/believers, like today's Gentile Christians, including you and me.
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JOHN.10: = 15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep . 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
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Why you ignore my above Bible quote about "other sheep" which refers to later Gentile Christians, ie not referring to Christ's apostles who were Jewish Christians.?
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Chronology of those who came to faith in Christ:
The apostles (= sheep) ---> early Jewish Christians (= lost sheep but later found) ---> Gentile Christians (= other sheep, eg converted by apostle Paul)
_ _ _ _ _ _ _
= all the above sheep, ie the apostles, early Jewish Christians and later Gentile Christians, shall be saved from hell by faith in Christ, as per JOHN.10:7-9.
....... OTOH, JOHN.10:28-29's "sheep" was referring to the apostles whom the Father has given to Jesus Christ, which JOHN.17:11-12 says He kept and lost none of them except the "son of perdition", ie Judas Iscariot.
Please show the Bible verses that "other sheep" is not referring to Gentile Christians, eg those converted by Paul and falsely being Judaized by James - GALATIANS.2:9-14.
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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 2 2024, 06:41 PM)
"you are falsely teaching that the sheep scourged in the synagogues and brought before governors and kings"
You like to add nonsense at any opportunity..
"You..as SHEEP.." Illustration of APOSTLES AS SHEEP..
"..Therefore..".. Subsequently what you (Apostles) need to do...
So what are you yapping those added words which i didnt say?
I've said it enough of times with supporting bible verses.
SHEEPS = Apostles OR Saved Christians
not SHEEPS = ONLY Apostles.. no where is it said..
But i showed you evidence from the BIBLE already.. why you ignore?
John 10:9
Stop ignoring those verses that you dont agree on, and then move on to distract it with another. please..
You like to add nonsense at any opportunity..
"You..as SHEEP.." Illustration of APOSTLES AS SHEEP..
"..Therefore..".. Subsequently what you (Apostles) need to do...
So what are you yapping those added words which i didnt say?
I've said it enough of times with supporting bible verses.
SHEEPS = Apostles OR Saved Christians
not SHEEPS = ONLY Apostles.. no where is it said..
But i showed you evidence from the BIBLE already.. why you ignore?
John 10:9
Stop ignoring those verses that you dont agree on, and then move on to distract it with another. please..
Of course, "sheep" was how Jesus Christ described some people of faith, eg sheep = the Twelve apostles as in MATTHEW.10:16-20 and 26:31; ... "lost sheep" of the house of Israel = early Jewish Christians who later got found by the apostles; .... and "other sheep" = Gentile Christians in JOHN.10:16, eg those early Gentile Christians converted by apostle Paul.
....... When Jesus Christ mentioned "sheep", it did not always = all of the above or all Christians/believers. We need to divide the truth and read the Bible verses in-context, not out-of-context, like you sometimes do.
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QUOTE((zanness)
"other sheep" is not referring to Gentile Christians
Hello , you very funny a..
1. I proved to you John 10:9, refers to ALL other sheeps including everyone else..
2. I proved how wrong your 'chronology' is and how mixed up you randomly match it in past replies, including son or perdition and JUDAS.. we had a LONG BIble verse to those.. please bother to read back and understand.. Dont ignore the BIBLE
3. You cant prove that other sheeps refer to ONLY to gentiles, now you ask me to proof for you?
you throw another verse again ..
4. And quote Galations 2:9-14, nothing wrong with it.. Yes its for gentiles.. BUT halo.. what has it got to "Other Sheep"?
Where in your Bible you find "other sheep' in Galations 2:9-14??
You pull your own dots make your own assumptions and conclusion?
My goodness... dont interpret the Bible like that without any basis.. thats how false doctrine starts!!
JOHN.10:16 = 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd. Hello , you very funny a..
1. I proved to you John 10:9, refers to ALL other sheeps including everyone else..
2. I proved how wrong your 'chronology' is and how mixed up you randomly match it in past replies, including son or perdition and JUDAS.. we had a LONG BIble verse to those.. please bother to read back and understand.. Dont ignore the BIBLE
3. You cant prove that other sheeps refer to ONLY to gentiles, now you ask me to proof for you?
you throw another verse again ..
4. And quote Galations 2:9-14, nothing wrong with it.. Yes its for gentiles.. BUT halo.. what has it got to "Other Sheep"?
Where in your Bible you find "other sheep' in Galations 2:9-14??
You pull your own dots make your own assumptions and conclusion?
My goodness... dont interpret the Bible like that without any basis.. thats how false doctrine starts!!
If the "other sheep" at JOHN.10:16 was not referring to Gentile Christians, then which other group of people or other sheep fold was it referring to.?
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ROMANS.11:16-24 mentioned how the Gentile Christians = wild olive tree branches, were grafted onto the holy olive tree = apostles and Jewish Christians, ... after some branches of the holy olive tree were broken off = Jews who rejected Christ.
The wild olive tree branches = "other sheep" brought into the flock = Gentile Christians, eg those converted by apostle Paul.
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