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SUSlurkingaround
post Aug 2 2024, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Aug 2 2024, 05:58 PM)
MATTHEW.10: (NKJV) = The Twelve Apostles

Sending Out The Twelve

16 “Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. 17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. 18 You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; 20 for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.

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Fyi,  you are falsely teaching that the sheep scourged in the synagogues and brought before governors and kings as in MATTHEW.10:16-20, were not only the apostles but included other sheep or Christians/believers like today's Gentile Christians. Including you and me too.?

= you are quoting MATTHEW.10:16-20 out-of-context as not referring to the Twelve apostles only but to also include other sheep or Christians/believers, like today's Gentile Christians, including you and me.
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JOHN.10: = 15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep . 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
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Why you ignore my above Bible quote about "other sheep" which refers to later Gentile Christians, ie not referring to Christ's apostles who were Jewish Christians.?
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Chronology of those who came to faith in Christ:

The apostles (= sheep) ---> early Jewish Christians (= lost sheep but later found) ---> Gentile Christians (= other sheep, eg converted by apostle Paul)
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= all the above sheep, ie the apostles, early Jewish Christians and later Gentile Christians, shall be saved from hell by faith in Christ, as per JOHN.10:7-9.
....... OTOH, JOHN.10:28-29's "sheep" was referring to the apostles whom the Father has given to Jesus Christ, which JOHN.17:11-12 says He kept and lost none of them  except the "son of perdition", ie Judas Iscariot.

Please show the Bible verses that "other sheep" is not referring to Gentile Christians, eg those converted by Paul and falsely being Judaized by James - GALATIANS.2:9-14.
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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 2 2024, 06:41 PM)
"you are falsely teaching that the sheep scourged in the synagogues and brought before governors and kings"
You like to add nonsense at any opportunity..
"You..as SHEEP.." Illustration of APOSTLES AS SHEEP..
"..Therefore..".. Subsequently what you (Apostles) need to do...
So what are you yapping those added words which i didnt say?

I've said it enough of times with supporting bible verses.
SHEEPS = Apostles OR Saved Christians
not SHEEPS = ONLY Apostles.. no where is it said..
But i showed you evidence from the BIBLE already.. why you ignore?
John 10:9

Stop ignoring those verses that you dont agree on, and then move on to distract it with another. please..


Of course, "sheep" was how Jesus Christ described some people of faith, eg sheep = the Twelve apostles as in MATTHEW.10:16-20 and 26:31; ... "lost sheep" of the house of Israel = early Jewish Christians who later got found by the apostles; .... and "other sheep" = Gentile Christians in JOHN.10:16, eg those early Gentile Christians converted by apostle Paul.
....... When Jesus Christ mentioned "sheep", it did not always = all of the above or all Christians/believers. We need to divide the truth and read the Bible verses in-context, not out-of-context, like you sometimes do.
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QUOTE((zanness)
"other sheep" is not referring to Gentile Christians
Hello , you very funny a..
1. I proved to you John 10:9, refers to ALL other sheeps including everyone else..
2. I proved how wrong your 'chronology' is and how mixed up you randomly match it in past replies, including son or perdition and JUDAS.. we had a LONG BIble verse to those.. please bother to read back and understand.. Dont ignore the BIBLE
3. You cant prove that other sheeps refer to ONLY to gentiles, now you ask me to proof for you?
you throw another verse again ..
4. And quote Galations 2:9-14, nothing wrong with it.. Yes its for gentiles.. BUT halo.. what has it got to "Other Sheep"?
Where in your Bible you find "other sheep' in Galations 2:9-14??
You pull your own dots make your own assumptions and conclusion?
My goodness... dont interpret the Bible like that without any basis.. thats how false doctrine starts!!
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JOHN.10:16 = 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

If the "other sheep" at JOHN.10:16 was not referring to Gentile Christians, then which other group of people or other sheep fold was it referring to.?
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ROMANS.11:16-24 mentioned how the Gentile Christians = wild olive tree branches, were grafted onto the holy olive tree = apostles and Jewish Christians, ... after some branches of the holy olive tree were broken off = Jews who rejected Christ.

The wild olive tree branches = "other sheep" brought into the flock = Gentile Christians, eg those converted by apostle Paul.
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SUSlurkingaround
post Aug 2 2024, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(Grape Seed X @ Aug 2 2024, 06:40 PM)
our fren got confused  biggrin.gif . dietary laws & mosaic laws, yes, maybe do away. BUT the 10 commandments  doh.gif
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Fyi, ACTS.15:28-29 implied that Jewish Christians were to continue to keep Moses Law because it was not a burden to them; ....
and new Gentile Christian adults were only required to keep the non-burdensome parts of Moses Law, esp the moral laws like the 10 Commandments at EXODUS.20, LEVITICUS.19:26 & 10:9, etc = begin their newborn-again lives by keeping the 4 simple laws of Moses = abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. , eg no need to be circumcised, eat only kosher foods, etc, ... in order to gradually grow into a spiritual adult and to do well on earth - bearing in mind that they were saved from hell solely by faith in Christ, not by doing the above good works of the Law.
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post Aug 3 2024, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Aug 2 2024, 07:23 PM)
Of course, "sheep" was how Jesus Christ described some people of faith, eg sheep = the Twelve apostles as in MATTHEW.10:16-20 and 26:31; ... "lost sheep" of the house of Israel = early Jewish Christians who later got found by the apostles; .... and "other sheep" = Gentile Christians in JOHN.10:16, eg those early Gentile Christians converted by apostle Paul. 
....... When Jesus Christ mentioned "sheep", it did not always = all of the above or all Christians/believers. We need to divide the truth and read the Bible verses in-context, not out-of-context, like you sometimes do.
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JOHN.10:16 = 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

If the "other sheep" at JOHN.10:16 was not referring to Gentile Christians, then  which other group of people or other sheep fold was it referring to.?
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ROMANS.11:16-24 mentioned how the Gentile Christians = wild olive tree  branches, were grafted onto the holy olive tree = apostles and Jewish Christians, ... after some branches of the holy olive tree were broken off = Jews who rejected Christ.

The wild olive tree branches = "other sheep" brought into the flock = Gentile Christians, eg those converted by apostle Paul.
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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 2 2024, 08:08 PM)
At this point, You're being repetitive, ignorant and babbling.. let me show you..
Unfounded Bible context
You have nothing to say on "Sheep" in John 10:9.. but bring back the same thing on Matthew 10:16-20,26-31.
And then put a claim it is HOUSE OF ISRAEL.. which is NOT IN THE BIBLE....Unless you can prove it from the Bible, else you're just babbling. 

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Fyi, .......

MATTHEW.10:6-7 (NKJV) = 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’

MATTHEW.15: = A Gentile Shows Her Faith

23 But He answered her not a word.

And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, “Send her away, for she cries out after us.”

24 But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

25 Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”

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QUOTE((zanness)
Delusional "SHEEP" definition
and you put a statement saying i take it out of context??
"When Jesus Christ mentioned "sheep", it did not always = all of the above or all Christians/believers."
I have few verses to prove its for ALL CHRISTIANS and you cant even show me one that says its only for jews or gentiles..
so who's taking what out of context?

And when you ran out of self-justifications
John 10:16, i told you other sheeps is the sheeps in the field , as how Jesus always see the people.
Such as Matthew 9:36,"But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd."
So your "other sheeps" are referring in matthew as?? "...MULTITUDES"
my goodness..

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Who were the "multitudes" mentioned by Jesus Christ "as sheep having no shepherd'.?
....... Weren't they His fellow Jews whom He had referred to as the "lost sheep of the house of Israel" at MATTHEW.10:6 & 15:24 above.? Were the multitudes Gentiles or the "other sheep" not of this fold referred by Jesus at JOHN.10:16.?
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QUOTE((zanness)
please dont simply take verses and match it up to your liking
And you bring up Romans.. when none in your reference even talks about sheep..
And you can still define SHEEP from that??
Do you hear yourself?
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At ROMANS.11:16-24, Paul's holy olive tree branches (= the apostles and Jewish Christians); ... grafted wild olive tree branches (= later Gentile Christians); .... some holy olive tree branches broken off (= the Jews who rejected Christ/Messiah); ...
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Jesus Christ's sheep (= the Twelve apostles and early Jewish Christians); ... other sheep not of this fold (= later Gentile Christians, eg converted by apostle Paul); .... lost sheep of the house of Israel (= the Jews who rejected Christ/Messiah), at MATTHEW.10, JOHN.10 & 17, respectively.
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post Aug 3 2024, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Aug 2 2024, 07:56 PM)
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Fyi, ACTS.15:28-29 implied that Jewish Christians were to continue to keep Moses Law because it was not a burden to them; ....
and new Gentile Christian adults were only required to keep the non-burdensome parts of Moses Law, esp the moral laws like the 10 Commandments at EXODUS.20, LEVITICUS.19:26 & 10:9, etc = begin their newborn-again lives by keeping the 4 simple laws of Moses = abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. , eg no need to be circumcised, eat only kosher foods, etc, ... in order to gradually grow into a spiritual adult and to do well on earth - bearing in mind that they were saved from hell solely by faith in Christ, not by doing the above good works of the Law.
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QUOTE(Grape Seed X @ Aug 2 2024, 08:08 PM)
errr....right. tat means you're agreeing wif me  icon_rolleyes.gif

neither do i eat food offered to idols, nor eat pork blood cubes in my porridge.
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Hence ,Gentile Christians like LYN member 'happy4ever' the Pentecostal Christian from DUMC who ignorantly committed sexual immorality, eg by following false or deceptive teachings, has been bedridden since before MCO.
....... He will still be saved from hell if he keeps the faith in Christ until death - 1CORINTHIANS.5:1-5.

Anyone, including ignorant Gentile Christians, who dabble in the occult, eg by consulting bomohs/mediums, fortune-tellers, psychics, tarot-card readers, ouija-boards, horoscope, etc, will be demon-oppressed or even demon-possessed.
....... Nearly all Jews and Jewish Christians or Messianic Jews are aware of the Moses laws forbidding dabbling in the occult, eg LEV.19:26 and DEUT.18:9-14.
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post Aug 4 2024, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Aug 3 2024, 04:06 PM)
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Hence ,Gentile Christians like LYN member  'happy4ever' the Pentecostal Christian from DUMC who ignorantly committed sexual immorality, eg by following false or deceptive teachings, has been bedridden since before MCO.
....... He will still be saved from hell if he keeps the faith in Christ until death - 1CORINTHIANS.5:1-5.

Anyone, including ignorant Gentile Christians, who dabble in the occult, eg by consulting bomohs/mediums, fortune-tellers, psychics, tarot-card readers, ouija-boards, horoscope, etc, will be demon-oppressed or even demon-possessed.
....... Nearly all Jews and Jewish Christians or Messianic Jews are aware of the Moses laws forbidding dabbling in the occult, eg LEV.19:26 and DEUT.18:9-14.
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QUOTE(Grape Seed X @ Aug 3 2024, 04:43 PM)
Damn bad lar u ! doh.gif  

Ppl already bedridden, yet u stil wanna pronounce it's a deserving judgment frm god.

Religion has so thoroughly brain-washed your stupid brain, tat you can no longer display empathy for ur fellow human being.

If thr's indeed a heaven, I do not wish to live thr with the likes of u. Need to be stuck thr forever some more  doh.gif
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Fyi, I'm just relating to you what the Word of God/Jesus or Bible says about ignorant Gentile Christians who committed the willful sin of sexual immorality. .......

1CORINTHIANS.6 & 3 = 6:18 Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. 19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s. ... &
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3:16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.


HEBREWS.10:26-31 = 26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. ...
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post Aug 4 2024, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Aug 3 2024, 03:46 PM)
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Fyi, .......

MATTHEW.10:6-7 (NKJV) = 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven  is at hand.’

MATTHEW.15: = A Gentile Shows Her Faith

23 But He answered her not a word.

And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, “Send her away, for she cries out after us.”

24 But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

25 Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”

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Who were the "multitudes" mentioned by Jesus Christ "as sheep having no shepherd'.?
....... Weren't they His fellow Jews whom He had referred to as the "lost sheep of the house of Israel" at MATTHEW.10:6 & 15:24 above.? Were the multitudes Gentiles or the "other sheep" not of this fold referred by Jesus at JOHN.10:16.?
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QUOTE((zanness)
please dont simply take verses and match it up to your liking
And you bring up Romans.. when none in your reference even talks about sheep..
And you can still define SHEEP from that??
Do you hear yourself?
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At ROMANS.11:16-24, Paul's holy olive tree branches (= the apostles and Jewish Christians); ... grafted wild olive tree branches (= later Gentile Christians); .... some holy olive tree branches broken off (= the Jews who rejected Christ/Messiah); ...
.... are analogous to ....
Jesus Christ's sheep (= the Twelve apostles and early Jewish Christians); ... other sheep not of this fold (= later Gentile Christians, eg converted by apostle Paul); .... lost sheep of the house of Israel (= the Jews who rejected Christ/Messiah), at MATTHEW.10, JOHN.10 & 17, respectively.
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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 3 2024, 07:58 PM)
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House of Israel - Sheep
1) you were highlighting another segment. And you are right it is mentioned in Matthew 10:6.
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Multitudes - Jesus
You are either saying Bible is inaccurate or it’s just you being delusional
Which part of the Bible says it’s only Jews here????
And at Matthew 10:6, Read! Jesus instruct them to go to.. and by going then a separation of instructions!
Why the Jews first? Go read Romans 15:8
you assumed everyone is Jews before Jesus spoke to the disciples ????
So yes, again, your own understanding

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Read and understand, .......

MATTHEW.9: (NKJV) = 35 Then Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people. 36 But when He saw the multitudes, He was moved with compassion for them, because they were weary and scattered, like sheep having no shepherd.

"synagogues" = the multitudes were Jews or the "lost sheep of the house of Israel", not Gentiles.
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Also fyi, in Jesus's time in 1st century AD in Judea, Jews did not mix or live with Gentiles. So the above "multitudes" were Jews, not Gentiles or the "other sheep not of this fold" , .......

ACTS.10: = Peter's Vision

Summoned To Caesarea

Peter Meets Cornelius

... . 28 Then he said to them, “You know how unlawful it is for a Jewish man to keep company with or go to one of another nation. But God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean. 29 Therefore I came without objection as soon as I was sent for. I ask, then, for what reason have you sent for me?” ....

The Holy Spirit Falls On The Gentiles

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Aug 4 2024, 01:35 PM)
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Read and understand, .......

MATTHEW.9: (NKJV) = 35 Then Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people. 36 But when He saw the multitudes, He was moved with compassion for them, because they were weary and scattered, like sheep having no shepherd.

"synagogues" = the multitudes were Jews or the "lost sheep of the house of Israel", not Gentiles.
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Also fyi, in Jesus's time in 1st century AD in Judea, Jews did not mix or live with Gentiles. So the above "multitudes" were Jews, not Gentiles or the "other sheep not of this fold" , .......

ACTS.10: = Peter's Vision

Summoned To Caesarea

Peter Meets Cornelius

... . 28 Then he said to them, “You know how unlawful it is for a Jewish man to keep company with or go to one of another nation. But God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean. 29 Therefore I came without objection as soon as I was sent for. I ask, then, for what reason have you sent for me?” ....

The Holy Spirit Falls On The Gentiles

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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 4 2024, 02:06 PM)

You have clearly explained the culture in the past
But I think you read the Bible weirdly with no understanding. Funny you ask people to read and understand when you don’t.
I read and understood it also says ‘“ teaching in all the cities and villages….among the people”
Like I said , you like to just highlight one portion that suits you, then start ignoring everything else.
Nothing wrong with the word synagogue…. The only thing wrong is you seem to fixated in Sheep = only Jews (in this passage) , then pick all the words to suit yourself.
Sheep = apostles only (this part, there’s not even words from the Bible to support, merely your imagined analogy)

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MATTHEW.15: = 24 But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

= the "multitudes" and people in "all the cities and villages" taught, preached and ministered by Jesus Christ at MATTHEW.9:35-36 could not consist of Gentiles..
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1) 1 Peter1:1 - who is this written to?
2) Amongst this, were they gentiles ?
3) Hebrews 12:1 - are you part of this verse when it is written?
Please , since you have a tendency of pick and match, the above three questions are SIMPLE questions. Don’t ignore it. Please read up, understand, then only answer
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Always read the Bible in it's proper context, ie not out-of-context.

Like I said before, the chronology of those saved from hell by faith in Christ: ...

1. sheep = the Twelve apostles ---> 2. lost sheep who got found by the apostles = early Jewish Christians ---> 3. other sheep not of this fold = Gentile Christians converted by apostle Paul, and later their Gentile spiritual "descendants" like you and me.

Who were the first Christians.? the apostles and early Jewish Christans, ... or the early Gentile Christians converted by apostle Paul.?

Eg, .......

JOHN.17: = Jesus Prays For His Disciples
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Jesus Prays For All Believers

20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; ...

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Aug 4 2024, 03:02 PM)
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MATTHEW.15: = 24 But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

= the "multitudes" and people in "all the cities and villages" taught, preached and ministered by Jesus Christ at MATTHEW.9:35-36 could not consist of Gentiles..
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Always read the Bible in it's proper context, ie not out-of-context.

Like I said before, the chronology of those saved from hell by faith in Christ: ...

1. sheep = the Twelve apostles ---> 2. lost sheep who got found by the apostles = early Jewish Christians ---> 3. other sheep not of this fold = Gentile Christians converted by apostle Paul, and later their  Gentile spiritual "descendants" like you and me.

Who were the first Christians.? the apostles and early Jewish Christans, ... or the early Gentile Christians converted by apostle Paul.?

Eg, .......

JOHN.17: = Jesus Prays For His Disciples
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Jesus Prays For  All Believers

20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;  ...

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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 4 2024, 03:52 PM)
As usual
You like to smoke bomb your reasoning out of plain Bible truth
There’s nothing wrong with the chronology of faith , first to the Jews then to the Gentiles.
Sheep + other sheep = sheep 🐑

The only definition of type of sheep is it’s either lost or found
Please don’t be confused and go all around the world
You are arguing sheep are in reference to different people at different time and hence those Bible verses are not applicable for OTHER SHEEP..

There’s nothing wrong with chronology of faith as shown in
“ Romans 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”

The only problem I have with you is you inaccurately disagree that ‘My’ sheep is not for saved and only for Jews, (which you can’t substantiate anywhere from the Bible that sheep are ONLY for JEWS or APOSTLES), I’m saying the Bible says SHEEP, ‘MY’ SHEEP ARE SAVED PEOPLE, you’re saying “SHEEP” IS SELECTIVELY APPLIED AND DEFINED BASED ON PARTS OF THE BIBLE
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MATTHEW.10: (NKJV) = Sending Out the Twelve

5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. ...

Persecutions Are Coming

16 “Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. 17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. 18 You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. ....


= Again, always read the Bible in it's proper context, ie not out-of-context.

In context, are the "sheep" or "My sheep" (= all the saved people) being persecuted as above in MATTHEW.10. Eg are you and today's Gentile Christians (= "sheep" or "My sheep") likewise being persecuted as in MATTHEW.10.?

In context, the "as sheep" in MATTHEW.10 referred to the Twelve apostles (not referring to all sheep or "saved people"), eg being sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel only (not yet to the Gentiles or "other sheep") and being persecuted by the Jewish Temple Council rulers and the Roman rulers).
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Also for cross-reference, .......

JOHN.10: = 14 I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. 15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd. ...
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25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. 26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. 27 My sheep hear My voice , and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”


MATTHEW.9: = 36 But when He saw the multitudes, He was moved with compassion for them, because they were weary and scattered, like sheep having no shepherd.

= at the time or context of JOHN.10 and MATTHEW.9 above, there was yet no Gentile Christians or "other sheep" not of this fold. So, the "My sheep" in JOHN.10 was referring to the Twelve apostles (and early Jewish Christians.?), not to just every "saved people", ... and the "other sheep" was referring to later Gentile Christians converted by apostle Peter and Paul, etc.

The first few Gentile Christians were converted by apostle Peter at ACTS.10. Thereafter most of the early Gentile Christians were converted by apostle Paul at ACTS.13 onward.
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Aug 4 2024, 05:11 PM)
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MATTHEW.10: (NKJV) = Sending Out the Twelve

5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. ...

Persecutions Are Coming

16 “Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. 17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. 18 You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles.  ....


= Again,  always read the Bible in it's proper context, ie not out-of-context.

In context, are the "sheep" or "My sheep" (= all the saved people) being persecuted as above in MATTHEW.10. Eg are you and today's Gentile Christians (= "sheep" or "My sheep") likewise being persecuted as in MATTHEW.10.?

In context, the "as sheep" in MATTHEW.10 referred to the Twelve apostles (not referring to all sheep or "saved people"), eg being sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel only (not yet to the Gentiles or "other sheep") and being persecuted by the Jewish Temple Council rulers and the Roman rulers).
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Also for cross-reference, .......

JOHN.10: = 14 I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. 15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will  hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd. ...
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25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. 26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. 27 My sheep hear My voice , and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.” 


MATTHEW.9: = 36 But when He saw the multitudes, He was moved with compassion for them, because they were weary and scattered, like sheep having no shepherd.

= at the time or context of JOHN.10 and MATTHEW.9 above, there was yet no Gentile Christians or "other sheep" not of this fold. So, the "My sheep" in JOHN.10 was referring to the Twelve apostles (and early Jewish Christians.?), not to just every "saved people", ... and the "other sheep" was referring to later Gentile Christians converted by apostle Peter and Paul, etc.

The first few Gentile Christians were converted by apostle Peter at ACTS.10. Thereafter most of the early Gentile Christians were converted by apostle Paul at ACTS.13 onward.
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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 4 2024, 05:33 PM)
For the third time , simple question but you try to avoid throwing smoke bombs here and there
Hello.. simple question
1) 1 Peter1:1 - who is this written to?
2) Amongst this, were they gentiles ?
3) Hebrews 12:1 - are you part of this verse when it is written?
We are sheep sent in the midst of wolves..
plenty of wolves (false prophets). I know I am when I use the Bible and some don’t.
We are no longer ‘persecuted’ physically today, as are the Jews, but the “persecution” comes from different “authorities” as of Jesus time
Whatever false nonsense you have on Sheep, just answer the three questions.

You quote a cross reference and insert it that it represents ONLY apostles, ONLY Israel.. and you go falsely say it doesn’t represent SAVED Christians.
During Jesus time, salvation was for the Jews first! Cos this is the covenant made, but doesn’t mean gentiles won’t be or can’t be saved . Jesus healed the gentile too! Recognizing her faith!

Romans 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Answer the three questions … and you YOURSELF will be humbled by the Bible on why SHEEP is all saved
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REVELATION.21: = The New Jerusalem
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14 Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.


= not all sheep or saved people were and will be the same in the kingdom of heaven wrt the "sheep" = the apostles, and "other sheep" = Gentile Christians, even though both are "saved people". Hence, the different sheepfold in the 4 NT gospels. Are you and me the same "sheep" as the Twelve apostles in the eyes of God/Jesus.?
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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 4 2024, 06:24 PM)
I beg to differ
It’s just a matter of one ignoring the Bible, but leaning to opinions and imaginations
And a matter of maturity
This lurkingaround fella must be a very young Baptist
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You are implying that you are a mature and old Baptist.

To me, you are just a self-righteous and old Baptist(.?) who sometimes misinterpret the Bible and are wrong on some points of the Bible. eg "lost sheep of the house of Israel".
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Aug 4 2024, 05:46 PM)
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REVELATION.21: = The New Jerusalem
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14 Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. 


= not all sheep or saved people were and will be the same in the kingdom of heaven wrt the "sheep" = the apostles, and "other sheep" = Gentile Christians, even though both are "saved people". Hence, the different sheepfold in the 4 NT gospels. Are you and me the same "sheep" as the Twelve apostles in the eyes of God/Jesus.?
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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 4 2024, 06:31 PM)
I won’t allow you to smoke bomb your way and ignore the Bible as you do, making a bad testimony and spamming these pages

For the fourth time

1) 1 Peter1:1 - who is this written to?
2) Amongst this, were they gentiles ?
3) Hebrews 12:1 - are you part of this verse when it is written?


You often do not answer my questions and you demand that I answer yours.? This just shows how unjust or unfair you are.!
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QUOTE((zanness)
Revelations 21:14,
Stop putting words into the Bible
No where is it written at this verse on your false claims
No where in the Bible in fact!


And we’re going in circles again cos you can’t substantiate using the Bible your ridiculous claims
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What do you mean wrt REV.21:14.? Are you saying you are the same "sheep" as the Twelve apostles in the eyes of God/Jesus.?
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Aug 4 2024, 05:46 PM)
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REVELATION.21: = The New Jerusalem
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14 Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. 


= not all sheep or saved people were and will be the same in the kingdom of heaven wrt the "sheep" = the apostles, and "other sheep" = Gentile Christians, even though both are "saved people". Hence, the different sheepfold in the 4 NT gospels. Are you and me the same "sheep" as the Twelve apostles in the eyes of God/Jesus.?
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Aug 4 2024, 06:37 PM)
You often do not answer my questions and you demand that I answer yours.? This just shows how unjust or unfair you are.!
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What do you mean wrt REV.21:14.? Are you saying you are the same "sheep" as the Twelve apostles in the eyes of God/Jesus.?
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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 4 2024, 06:41 PM)
I’ve at all times answer your questions. And would have not ignored your lack of understanding on purpose.
With direct Bible verses, quotes, and without twisting other topics
I’ve also said there’s nothing wrong with House of Israel

At this point, if you can’t answer simple questions and decide to be emotional, unbiblical, I advise you just move on from this
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No la. You did not actually answer my question " Are you and me the same "sheep" as the Twelve apostles in the eyes of God/Jesus.? ." , but gave a diversion with smoke bombs of your own opinions..
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MATTHEW.15: = 24 But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

= the "multitudes" and people in "all the cities and villages" taught, preached and ministered by Jesus Christ at MATTHEW.9:35-36 could not consist of Gentiles..
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Always read the Bible in it's proper context, ie not out-of-context.

Like I said before, the chronology of those saved from hell by faith in Christ: ...

1. sheep = the Twelve apostles ---> 2. lost sheep who got found by the apostles = early Jewish Christians ---> 3. other sheep not of this fold = Gentile Christians converted by apostle Paul, and later their  Gentile spiritual "descendants" like you and me.

Who were the first Christians.? the apostles and early Jewish Christans, ... or the early Gentile Christians converted by apostle Paul.?

Eg, .......

JOHN.17: = Jesus Prays For His Disciples
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Jesus Prays For  All Believers

20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;  ...

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Aug 4 2024, 05:46 PM)
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REVELATION.21: = The New Jerusalem
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14 Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. 


= not all sheep or saved people were and will be the same in the kingdom of heaven wrt the "sheep" = the apostles, and "other sheep" = Gentile Christians, even though both are "saved people". Hence, the different sheepfold in the 4 NT gospels. Are you and me the same "sheep" as the Twelve apostles in the eyes of God/Jesus.?
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Aug 4 2024, 06:37 PM)
You often do not answer my questions and you demand that I answer yours.? This just shows how unjust or unfair you are.!
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What do you mean wrt REV.21:14.? Are you saying you are the same "sheep" as the Twelve apostles in the eyes of God/Jesus.?
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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 4 2024, 06:42 PM)
You saw the word sheep in Rev 21:14?
Your Bible show you so?
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Now you are splitting hairs, in order to be self-righteous about your own comments/opinions on the Bible.

Didn't Jesus Christ called His Twelve apostles as "sheep" at MATTHEW.10 and JOHN.10.?
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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 4 2024, 06:41 PM)
I’ve at all times answer your questions. And would have not ignored your lack of understanding on purpose.
With direct Bible verses, quotes, and without twisting other topics
I’ve also said there’s nothing wrong with House of Israel

At this point, if you can’t answer simple questions and decide to be emotional, unbiblical, I advise you just move on from this
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No la. Repost our post history, .......


QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 2 2024, 08:08 PM)
At this point, You're being repetitive, ignorant and babbling.. let me show you..
Unfounded Bible context
You have nothing to say on "Sheep" in John 10:9.. but bring back the same thing on Matthew 10:16-20,26-31.
And then put a claim it is HOUSE OF ISRAEL.. which is NOT IN THE BIBLE....Unless you can prove it from the Bible, else you're just babbling.
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Fyi, .......

MATTHEW.10:6-7 (NKJV) = 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven  is at hand.’

MATTHEW.15: = A Gentile Shows Her Faith

23 But He answered her not a word.

And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, “Send her away, for she cries out after us.”

24 But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

25 Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”

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QUOTE((zanness @ Aug 3 2024, 07:58 PM)
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House of Israel - Sheep
1) you were highlighting another segment. And you are right it is mentioned in Matthew 10:6. ...

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Aug 4 2024, 06:31 PM)
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You are implying that you are a mature and old Baptist.

To me, you are just a self-righteous and  old Baptist(.?) who sometimes misinterpret the Bible and are wrong on some points of the Bible. eg "lost sheep of the house of Israel".
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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 4 2024, 07:22 PM)

Go read the replies I told you about House of Israel on that context
I replied you already
I told you nothing wrong
You should start reading instead of just copying and paste
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The main point is you are sometimes wrong in your points on the Bible, besides misinterpreting the Bible.
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Aug 4 2024, 05:46 PM)
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REVELATION.21: = The New Jerusalem
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14 Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. 


= not all sheep or saved people were and will be the same in the kingdom of heaven wrt the "sheep" = the apostles, and "other sheep" = Gentile Christians, even though both are "saved people". Hence, the different sheepfold in the 4 NT gospels. Are you and me the same "sheep" as the Twelve apostles in the eyes of God/Jesus.?
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Aug 4 2024, 07:04 PM)
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Now you are splitting hairs, in order to be self-righteous about your own comments/opinions on the Bible.

Didn't Jesus Christ called His Twelve apostles as "sheep" at MATTHEW.10 and JOHN.10.?
QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 4 2024, 07:29 PM)
I’m not splitting hairs
I’m stating the fact

Another false claim you say I ignore you
Show me and I’ll tell you I won’t ignore a lost person
Even house of Israel, I’ve replied you you are not wrong
The Bible is self explanatory, I even explained from Romans
Did you read those replies after that or you just reply for sake of it?

And another false claim, I quote the Bible to you but you say it’s opinions ,
I’m telling you there’s no sheep in rev21, and it’s your opinion to link that to sheep, you wanna spin this to another thing?
You need a pastor
If you’re still agitated ,
Why don’t you seek your pastor with all these claims and let him answer instead of you.
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Your post history about your own opinion that the apostles were also "sheep". .......

QUOTE((zanness @ Aug 2 2024, 05:19 PM)
Let's reply your confusion part by part..
Matthew 10:16
Who were "you" referred to..

Did you read my reply?
Sheep .. looking for sheep..
I did not the sheep did not include the apostles.. And what i certainly did not see and say is the exclusive rights of sheeps only for apostles.. ...

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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 4 2024, 07:39 PM)
Again, another accusation unfounded.
Even when I copy and paste the BIBLE you an say it’s misinterpreted..
and if it’s not your liking you say it’s misinterpreted? Even though the Bible stated so??
And you don’t want to even read the Bible and understand it

For the sixth time
1) 1 Peter1:1 - who is this written to?
2) Amongst this, were they gentiles ?
3) Hebrews 12:1 - are you part of this verse when it is written?

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I believe I have already auto-answered your question quite some time ago, but it seems you like to split hairs, in order to be self-righteous in your comments/opinions about the Bible, .......

QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Aug 2 2024, 05:58 PM)
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Chronology of those who came to faith in Christ:

The apostles (= sheep) ---> early Jewish Christians (= lost sheep but later found) ---> Gentile Christians (= other sheep, eg converted by apostle Paul)
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= all the above sheep, ie the apostles, early Jewish Christians and later Gentile Christians, shall be saved from hell by faith in Christ, as per JOHN.10:7-9.
....... OTOH, JOHN.10:28-29's "sheep" was referring to the apostles whom the Father has given to Jesus Christ, which JOHN.17:11-12 says He kept and lost none of them  except the "son of perdition", ie Judas Iscariot.

Please show the Bible verses that "other sheep" is not referring to Gentile Christians, eg those converted by Paul and falsely being Judaized by James - GALATIANS.2:9-14.
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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 4 2024, 11:18 AM)
Ephesians 1:4-5
4 - According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 - Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Your salvation, has been predestined.
Not to say you continue to live in sin
Not to say you don’t need to believe to be saved

What
1. we were chosen “…we should be holy…”
2. We were chosen “…should be….without blame”

How
1. “..the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself”

Why
1. “….the good pleasure of his will,”

There is nothing a person can do to earn his salvation, and similarly nothing a person can do.. to lose it … we believe in one side of the statement, we have to also believe the other side…
Nothing means… NOTHING
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EPHESIANS.1: (NKJV) = 1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,

To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:

2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.

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Again you quote the Bible at EPHESIANS.1:4-5 out-of-context to misinterpret it by commenting/opining that the Bible passage says, "There is nothing a person can do to earn his salvation, and similarly nothing a person can do.. to lose it " ...
.... because the apostle Paul was referring to the faithful saints in the Gentile Church of Ephesus (circa 53AD) as chosen and predestined by God for salvation from hell and good works, ie not referring to just any or every Christian person or to you and me, eg in other Churches or other times.
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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 4 2024, 11:18 AM)
Ephesians 1:4-5
4 - According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 - Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Your salvation, has been predestined.
Not to say you continue to live in sin
Not to say you don’t need to believe to be saved

What
1. we were chosen “…we should be holy…”
2. We were chosen “…should be….without blame”

How
1. “..the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself”

Why
1. “….the good pleasure of his will,”

There is nothing a person can do to earn his salvation, and similarly nothing a person can do.. to lose it… we believe in one side of the statement, we have to also believe the other side…
Nothing means… NOTHING
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Read and compare what the Lord/God Jesus Christ and apostle Paul said about the Church of Ephesus, .......

REVELATION.2: = The Loveless Church

2:1 “To the angel of the church of Ephesus write,

‘These things says He who holds the seven stars in His right hand, who walks in the midst of the seven golden lampstands: 2 “I know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars; 3 and you have persevered and have patience, and have labored for My name’s sake and have not become weary. 4 Nevertheless I have this against you, that you have left your first love. 5 Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent. 6 But this you have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

7 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God.” ’

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EPHESIANS.1: = 15 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints , 16 do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: ...

= REVELATION was the last book in the Bible written by apostle John after the Lord/God Jesus Christ appeared to him in a vision, ie circa 90AD, and some years after apostle Paul had written the Epistle/Letter of Ephesians (circa 53AD).

So, at REV.2 at around 90AD, Jesus Christ warned the Gentile Christians at the Church of Ephesus to repent and not forget to do their first works, ie to love the saints (as per the commandment "You shall love your neighbor as yourself") - otherwise God would cause them to lose their salvation from hell, eg by them hating, insulting and offending the saints.

Today, a maybe eg (.?), .......

QUOTE(SharpSword @ Aug 5 2024, 09:31 AM)
Why complain ai lie when you are doing the same in your so called exposition of scripture aka heresy?
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Aug 5 2024, 01:40 PM)
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EPHESIANS.1: (NKJV) = 1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,

To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:

2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.

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Again you quote the Bible at EPHESIANS.1:4-5 out-of-context to misinterpret it  by commenting/opining that the Bible passage says, "There is nothing a person can do to earn his salvation, and similarly nothing a person can do.. to lose it " ...
.... because the apostle Paul was referring to the faithful saints in the Gentile Church of Ephesus (circa 53AD) as chosen and predestined by God for salvation from hell and good works, ie not referring to just any or every Christian person or to  you and me, eg in other Churches or other times.
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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 5 2024, 04:29 PM)
2 Timothy 3:16
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
If certain areas of the BIBLE don’t suit your hearing, I’m sorry for you and would pray for you.
In your logic,
You should tear away Ephesians cos it’s not for you
Same for Philippians cos it’s not for you, for church of Philippi
Throw away Romans and Corinthians too cos not for you, for church of Corinth
See how funny and ridiculous you sound?

Please seek help from whichever elder or Pastor
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Today's Christians can learn some things from these historical NT epistles or letters, circa 1st century AD. Like they say, "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it".

Fyi, 2PETER was addressed to faithful saints or Christian believers, eg not specifically to 1st century Churches. In it's proper context, the Epistle/Letter of 2PETER could be applied to you and me., .......

2PETER.1: = Greeting the Faithful

1 Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,

To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, ...

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MATTHEW.10: = Sending Out the Twelve

5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give. 9 Provide neither gold nor silver nor copper in your money belts, 10 nor bag for your journey, nor two tunics, nor sandals, nor staffs; for a worker is worthy of his food.

11 “Now whatever city or town you enter, inquire who in it is worthy, and stay there till you go out. 12 And when you go into a household, greet it. 13 If the household is worthy, let your peace come upon it. But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet. 15 Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!


So, are you to obey Jesus Christ's above commandment to only witness to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, and if possible, to heal the sick, cleanse the leper, raise the dead and cast out demons.?

Also, are you and 'unknown warrior' (the pastor.?) to "shake off the dust from your feet" as the Twelve apostles were told by Jesus to do if ... .? .......

QUOTE((zanness @ Jul 29 2024, 10:00 PM)
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Matthew 10:14,15"And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet."

My responsibility is to tell you the truth.. I might be wrong.. hence I'm here... for others to tell me the truth... TRUTH BASED ON THE BIBLE!
Now my every verse and reply has a bibilical basis and explanation.. somehow, you have ignored all of my past replies with those bible verses, and throw more verses in, of which I gladly explain again.. yet was ignored, and rebutted my more verses of which I did the same..

So, if i'm Biblically wrong.. i suggest you do the same.. prove it FROM THE BIBLE..
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QUOTE((zanness @ Oct 19 2017, 10:04 AM)
If you say you are a Pastor, then walk away from this.
Is this not also what Jesus asked His disciples to do so?
Matthew 10:14, "And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet."

Do remember that the entire journey of a christian is to be more Christ-like.. which means acting like one too.

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