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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Aug 6 2024, 11:51 AM) . Quoting you; ... 2 Timothy 3:16
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ . 2TIMOTHY.2:15 (NKJV) = 15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. EPHESIANS.6: = 14 Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; 18 praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, ... = the truth about the Epistle/Letter to the Ephesians is that the apostle Paul was personally addressing to the faithful saints in the Church of Ephesus, (as with his other letters, eg to the Romans, Philippians, Corinthians, etc) not to other Churches or other Christian believers then or now. ....... Of course, some of the things Paul wrote to the Ephesians can be
profitable to other Christian believers for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. . At MATTHEW.4:1-11, the Lord/God Jesus Christ when tested by Satan, had demonstrated to us by example, how the Scripture/Bible should not be misinterpreted and quoted out-of-context. Otherwise, the Scripture/Bible could have it's truth changed into false teachings/doctrines of demons, etc, that can be used by Satan to misguide and deceive Christians then and now, esp new Gentile Christian adults, until they may even lose their salvation by eventually losing faith in Christ, eg the false Hypergrace, OSAS, Word of Faith movement, Pentecostalism, etc. ....... A good example here is 'happy4ever', a Pentecostal Christian from DUMC, who got misguided and deceived into committing sexual immorality = he has been bedridden since before MCO. In his case, the biblical example of 1CORINTHIANS.5:1-5 applies. ....... Fyi, Ps. Raymond Koh was also from DUMC. He was accused by the authorities of proselytizing to Muslims with his charity NGO. When Scripture is properly interpreted and quoted in-context, it is useful and profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. . QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Aug 11 2024, 02:14 PM) . zanness My repost for your reminder, ....... . Fyi, my reply today to 'zanness' at RWI, ....... https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=110244153 - Protestant matters - RWI IOW, the Bible/Scripture says that the 12 apostles, the first martyr Stephen, some faithful Jewish Christian saints and some faithful Gentile Christian saints in Ephesus, Philippi, Rome, Corinth, Galatia, etc, circa 1st century AD, have already been elected/chosen and predestined by God to be saved from hell but as for the rest of the Christians after them like us today, let God/Jesus be the judge as to our election/chosenness and predestination by God wrt us being saved from hell, ie saved solely by faith in Christ/Messiah. . QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 11 2024, 09:57 PM) To all christians who may be new, and learning about the Bible.. We do not pick and choose the Bible verses that suit us or do not suit us.. CONSISTENCY in interpreting the Bible.. To be honest, this is the first time I hear it but its okay.. based on this self-made rule of ," some of the things Paul wrote to the Ephesians can be profitable to other Christian believers for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." That itself is inconsistent because 1. The Bible has clearly stated who they are addressed to .. unless written OTHERWISE another person it is addressed..we cant pick as we like what the Bible states and match it based on own liking or reasoning. 2. If the Bible addresses it to SOMEONE ELSE, the Bible would have wrote it as well.. so again we dont pick and choose i.e.The BIBLE does it according to the verses before or in the verse itself.. All letters were not just to the SAINTS but to all Christians (who are called to be SAINTS) according to the Bible in Ephesians and Romans.. . HEBREWS.11: = 32 And what more shall I say? For the time would fail me to tell of Gideon and Barak and Samson and Jephthah, also of David and Samuel and the prophets: 33 who through faith subdued kingdoms, worked righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, 34 quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, became valiant in battle, turned to flight the armies of the aliens. 35 Women received their dead raised to life again.
Others were tortured, not accepting deliverance, that they might obtain a better resurrection. 36 Still others had trial of mockings and scourgings, yes, and of chains and imprisonment. 37 They were stoned, they were sawn in two, were tempted, were slain with the sword. They wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins, being destitute, afflicted, tormented— 38 of whom the world was not worthy. They wandered in deserts and mountains, in dens and caves of the earth. How come you and ALL other Christian "saints" are not doing or experiencing the above events mentioned in (likely.?) Paul's epistle/letter to the Hebrews or Jewish Christians at around 60AD.? ....... Or do or be the below in Paul's letter to the Corinthians at around the same time as HEBREWS.?, ....... 1CORINTHIANS.12: = 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: 8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. ...
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28 And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? 31 But earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way. Are you and ALL of today's Christian "saints" the Romans or Ephesians or Hebrew Christians or Corinthians or Philippians or Galatians or etc personally addressed by apostle Paul in his letters/epistles dated in 1st century AD.? . This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Aug 12 2024, 12:04 PM |
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