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Quoting you above; .... Ephesians 1:1 KJV - Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:.

In comparison to other Bible translations, .......

The NKJV Bible; ... EPHESIANS.1:1 = To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:

The ESV Bible; ... EPHESIANS.1:1 = To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus:

The NIV Bible; ... EPHESIANS.1:1 = To God’s holy people in Ephesus, the faithful in Christ Jesus:

The ASV Bible; ... EPHESIANS.1:1 = to the saints that are at Ephesus, and the faithful in Christ Jesus:
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Fyi, .......

HEBREWS.10: = 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

= this Bible passage applies to ALL Christian believers, in that through Bible knowledge or the Word/Jesus, they do not need others to teach them about knowing the Lord/God, law-keeping and the way to salvation from hell.
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Like I said before, ACTS.15:28-29 requires new-born-again Gentile Christian adults (= spiritual babies) to gradually learn to keep all the non-burdensome part of God's Law or Moses Law, eg the moral laws, which can be learned by ownself by reading the Bible or by hearing from mature spiritual adults like Church pastors and elders. This is in order for them to do well on earth by avoiding sins or (d)evil works or law-breaking - bearing in mind that justification for salvation is solely by faith in Christ, and not by good works or law-keeping.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Aug 5 2024, 06:59 PM

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Your answer is wrong and not obeying the Bible/Scripture, even if you assume out-of-contextually to be like the Twelve apostles.
....... Did you obey Jesus Christ's above commandment to only witness to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, and if possible, to heal the sick, cleanse the leper, raise the dead and cast out demons.?
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If you did not, the "shake off the dust from your feet" at "whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city," ... does not apply to you.?

Aren't you being deceived.? Please check with your pastor, if necessary.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Aug 5 2024, 07:17 PM

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To me, it is pure (d)evil for any Christian to wish "15 Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!" on another or a city by misusing the Bible against others through Bible misinterpretation, quoting out-of-context, etc.

Luckily, you are not of the Twelve apostles at MATTHEW.10: but just a misguided Gentile Christian.
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You have only 1 "witness" Bible translation whereas I have 4 "witnesses" Bible translations to say that the apostle Paul was addressing the faithful saints in the Church of Ephesus, not to ALL faithfuls or Christian believers.

It's 27 vs 5 = about 5 vs 1 wrt Bible translations saying ...
.... "faithful or the faithful" vs "to the faithful", at, .......

https://biblehub.com/ephesians/1-1.htm

So, chances of you being wrong is 5X higher than me being wrong wrt our comments/opinions on EPHESIANS.1 .
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Quoting you; .... "You should tear away Ephesians cos it’s not for you
Same for Philippians cos it’s not for you, for church of Philippi
Throw away Romans and Corinthians too cos not for you, for church of Corinth
See how funny and ridiculous you sound? "
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Fyi, .......

PHILIPPIANS.1: 1-3 (KJV) = 1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:

2 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

3 I thank my God upon every remembrance of you, ...
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ROMANS.1:1 & 6-7 (KJV) = 1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, ... &
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6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:

7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
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1CORINTHIANS.1:1-3 (KJV) = 1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

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GALATIANS.1:1-3 (KJV) = 1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)

2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,

= it's quite evident that ALL (.?) of Paul's epistles/letters in the Bible were personal and addressed to specific Churches or persons which or who he had ministered to previously in his travelling evangelism, ie not addressed to other Christian believers or to faithful believers in a future time or to you and me.
....... Also, it's quite evident that KJV wrongly translated EPHESIANS.1:1.

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I don't think it is necessary to "hide" our Bible discussion here wrt our comments/opinions on the Bible. As for our personal conversations, eg "shake the dust off your feet" at me, it's "What is good for the goose is good for the gander" and "Getting a taste of his own medicine" or the law of ni4ni.

Feel free to post here your comments/opinions on the Bible for the public or readers to judge for themselves, unless you have different malicious intentions or ulterior motives.
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Quoting you; ... 2 Timothy 3:16
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
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2TIMOTHY.2:15 (NKJV) = 15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

EPHESIANS.6: = 14 Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; 18 praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, ...

= the truth about the Epistle/Letter to the Ephesians is that the apostle Paul was personally addressing to the faithful saints in the Church of Ephesus, (as with his other letters, eg to the Romans, Philippians, Corinthians, etc) not to other Churches or other Christian believers then or now.
....... Of course, some of the things Paul wrote to the Ephesians can be
profitable to other Christian believers for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.
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At MATTHEW.4:1-11, the Lord/God Jesus Christ when tested by Satan, had demonstrated to us by example, how the Scripture/Bible should not be misinterpreted and quoted out-of-context. Otherwise, the Scripture/Bible could have it's truth changed into false teachings/doctrines of demons, etc, that can be used by Satan to misguide and deceive Christians then and now, esp new Gentile Christian adults, until they may even lose their salvation by eventually losing faith in Christ, eg the false Hypergrace, OSAS, Word of Faith movement, Pentecostalism, etc.
....... A good example here is 'happy4ever', a Pentecostal Christian from DUMC, who got misguided and deceived into committing sexual immorality = he has been bedridden since before MCO. In his case, the biblical example of 1CORINTHIANS.5:1-5 applies.
....... Fyi, Ps. Raymond Koh was also from DUMC. He was accused by the authorities of proselytizing to Muslims with his charity NGO.

When Scripture is properly interpreted and quoted in-context, it is useful and profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Aug 6 2024, 12:00 PM

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Are you saying the Word of God/Jesus or Bible/Scripture below which are applicable, are wrong wrt how God will judge/curse Christians, then and now, who committed sexual immorality, eg 'happy4ever' the Pentecostal Christian who committed sexual immorality.? .......

ACTS.15:28-29 (NKJV) = 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.


1JOHN.5:16-17 (NKJV) = 16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.
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Fyi, .......
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1CORINTHIANS.10: (NKJV) = 6 Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted. 7 And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.” 8 Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell; 9 nor let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by serpents; 10 nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were destroyed by the destroyer. 11 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.

Like they say, "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
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Again you are misusing the Scripture at MATTHEW.18:15-17 because in most of our discussion here, it's about your comments/opinions vs my comments/opinions on the Bible/Scripture or Word of God, ... ie which one is being true or false, right or wrong, proper or improper interpretation, quoting in-context or out-of-context, etc, ... not about you sinning against me or me sinning against you, which may require 2 or more witnesses to convict of sin/law-breaking.

It's wise for us to stick to the issues at hand in our discussion here and not resort to ad hominem or personal attacks or insults, which will likely turn the discussion into a heated debate which is not allowed here at SK.
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Good you realized you're a bit heated and cant focus on issues at hand.
Let's look into those issues in a structured manner
1. Sheep
2. Ephesians
3. Bible Interpretation

Again I say, unless you have malice intentions, lets not spam this thread with your nonsense..
and resolve them at SK first..
I've posted you two replies now.. please reply.

Also, why you no reply to my post,?, .......

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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Aug 6 2024, 02:48 PM

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Fyi, .......

JOHN.20: & 21: (NKJV) = 20:29 Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

That You May Believe

30 And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name. ... &
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21:24 This is the disciple who testifies of these things, and wrote these things; and we know that his testimony is true.

25 And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.

= in-context and proper interpretation, the Scripture/Bible says only the 120 apostles/disciples of Christ saw the resurrected Christ and were then empowered by the Holy Spirit of God to preach salvation in Christ and perform miracles, signs and wonders at ACTS.2, until their passing = not ALL Christian believers then or now, experienced these historical biblical events. Hence, Pentecostalism's promotion of extra-biblical prophesies, miracles, signs and wonders, is very likely false.
......... Apostle JOHN and apostle Paul's assistant, LUKE, wrote these events down as an outreach to other sincere interested people so that they may learn from the Bible and believe in Christ for salvation from hell. Similarly, they can learn many things from Paul's personal written letters to the Churches of Ephesus, Philippi, Rome, Corinth, Galatia, etc, eg that they may believe that salvation is solely by faith in Christ, and not by works or by James's false faith+works.
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The 18th-century French Roman Catholic critic of Christianity and slavery, Voltaire, was alluded by Evelyn Beatrice Hall in her written-book/novel, to have the personal opinion of: “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
....... Many people learned from this personal opinion of his, which might have led to democracy (from more abusive monarchy) and the founding of democratic and liberty-based USA in 1776AD, whose Constitution forbids the powerful US government from limiting the people's freedom of speech with very few exceptions (cf; the CCP China and Madani(.?) governments).
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REVELATION.22: = A Warning

18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

= in-context and proper interpretation, this warning was directed at early NT Bible keepers and scribes/copiers before the Book of Revelation written by apostle JOHN at around 90AD, was established as Bible Canon in 350AD, ie not a warning to Christian believers thereafter or to you and me, eg when we comment/opine on the Book of REVELATION.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Aug 7 2024, 04:42 PM

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Above is an example of how the false teachings of Pentecostalism can cause a Gentile Christian adult to lose faith in Christ or the Word = lose salvation from hell when he/she dies.
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https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5474042 - LYN Christian Fellowship Thread Ver17, To know and learn about God - TS = 'zanness'
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You ever heard of self-regulation or self-censorship or self-control.? I wonder who has malice intentions.?
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Will 'zanness' be another 'unknown warrior' who often deleted posts by those Christians who disagreed with him about his false teachings, eg Antinomianism, OSAS, Pentecostalism, etc.? Eg the deleted posts of Sharpsword , sylar111, myself, etc.

Fyi, UW last posted at LYN in Sep 2023 and last logged-in to LYN in Jan 2024. What happened to him.?
....... To me, this thread has been doing OK since the TS = UW "left".
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Aug 7 2024, 04:43 PM

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Quoting 'zanness' post for the record or as proof.
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In this life on earth, Jews and Christians fearing Almighty God is like how ordinary Malaysian citizens should fear being saman or arrested by the powerful PDRM and local authorities, so that the people can have a peaceful and prosperous society and nation/"kingdom".

If we are fearing Almighty God or the powerful Police in this life on earth, we should also fear God's curse of hell in the afterlife.
....... Of course, no one alive can prove with evidence what is the afterlife after death, eg heaven or hell, reincarnation until achieve godhood or buddhahood, decay back into nothingness or atoms, become ghosts, etc. This is where our faith/belief/trust comes into play vitally.For Christians, iIt's like a child trusting the word or promise of his/her good father that he will bring him/her to Sunway Lagoon or Zoo Negara during the coming long school holidays for getting good grades inthe school exam.
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The splintering is caused by the Fall and Adam's Original Sin which handed dominion over the earth to Satan, who then became the ruler of this world or earth. - JOHN.12:31. Hence Jesus Christ's Parable of The Sower & The Wheat and Tares at MATTHEW.13. and apostle Peter's warning about our arch-enemy, Satan's hate for Man at 1PETER.5:8.

This is like a youth blaming God for him/her being born into a poor family and born not good-looking. He/she should rightly blame his/her forefathers because the blessings of prosperity and good-looks usually come to good and law-abiding people, eg as per DEUTERONOMY.28:1-14, ROMANS.2:5-13, etc.
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For the record, IINM, when 'Avangelice' posted at 'zanness' new Christian Fellowship V17 thread to disagree since this V16 thread was/is still open, 'zanness' responded by editing his topic title to something like "Christian ONLY Fellowship thread V1" and the Mod/Staff {= 'Everdying' .? ) soon closed 'zanness's new religious thread which the Mod posted as should only be opened at RWI. Later 'zanness's thread was deleted by the Mod.

The next day, 'zanness' opened his new "Christian Fellowship V1" thread at RWI but he wrongly believed he could still remove posts like at SK and then wrongly believed he could get Mod to remove posts by reporting non-Christianity related posts. I posted there to correct his wrong understanding or his ignorance.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Aug 10 2024, 04:54 PM

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zanness My repost for your reminder, .......

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Fyi, my reply today to 'zanness' at RWI, .......

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=110244153 - Protestant matters - RWI

IOW, the Bible/Scripture says that the 12 apostles, the first martyr Stephen, some faithful Jewish Christian saints and some faithful Gentile Christian saints in Ephesus, Philippi, Rome, Corinth, Galatia, etc, circa 1st century AD, have already been elected/chosen and predestined by God to be saved from hell but as for the rest of the Christians after them like us today, let God/Jesus be the judge as to our election/chosenness and predestination by God wrt us being saved from hell, ie saved solely by faith in Christ/Messiah.
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Remember the Lord/God Jesus Christ's Parable Of The Sower, The Wheat And The Tares at MATTHEW.13, ie there are and will be Christians planted in Churches who will lose faith in Christ = lose salvation, for various reasons, eg by following doctrines of demons because of their ignorance of the Bible/Scripture, during times of tribulation and persecution (= love their lives > Jesus/God), they love money/well-paying jobs > God/Jesus, etc.
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P S - Fyi, I often do ignore comments/opinions by others here at SK and RWI that are biblically out-of-context and/or misinterpreted or based on false teachings or doctrines of demons or when I agree to disagree with others.