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Fyi, it's not biblical to reject quoted commentaries by other mature Christians or "counselors". AFAIK, here at SK, Christians can discuss matters cordially. Only at RWI, Christians can debate matters heatedly against one another. .......

PROVERBS.11: = 14 Where there is no counsel, the people fall;
But in the multitude of counselors there is safety.
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As I said, if the BIBLE ALONE, is not enough for you..and opinions are your flavours, then all the best to you.
Proverbs 18:2 ,"A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself."
2 Timothy 3:16,"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
Matthew 4:4,"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."
In Jesus' ministry and approach, COUNTLESS TIMES, Jesus quoted the WORD of God Which was the old testament.
I will still ignore opinions that has no word of God /biblical basis.

Very interesting you quote Proverbs 11:14. Dont ignore Proverbs 11:9,"An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour: but through knowledge shall the just be delivered." KNOWLEDGE! The WORD OF GOD! NOT OPINIONS
and if you lack understanding of Proverbs 11:14,"Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety."
Counsellors.. THROUGH THE WORD OF GOD! NOT OPINIONS..


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The End Times refers to the times just before the 2nd Coming of the Lord/God Jesus Christ (from heaven) to earth and the Great Tribulations affecting "the elect" (eg persecutions, sufferings, martyrdom, etc) will happen before His Coming.

So, 2PETER.1:10's "election" refers to salvation from hell.

AFAIK, the Great Tribulations will last 7 years and Jesus Christ will come in the middle 3.5th year to rapture living Christians suffering persecution, imprisonment, starvation, about to be martyred, etc. By the 7th year, this rotten earth and all the remaining unbelievers on it will be destroyed by Jesus ala the Great Flood of Noah. Jesus will create a new earth for His faithful Christian believers.
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If you can be wrong about your opinions of the Bible, you can also be wrong about your opinion that "true" Christians cannot be demon-possessed because they will never lose the indwelling Holy Spirit that came by faith in Christ = they will never lose faith = never lose salvation.

If even the apostles of Christ could betray Him, deny Him 3X before the cock crowed and stumble in their faith in Christ, eg after Christ was crucified, all the apostles fled back to their hometowns in despair and disillusionment (= the resurrected Christ had to call them back into faith), ... "true" Christians can also lose faith in Christ if they are too cocky, ignorant, not careful, sober, vigilant (eg about Satan's deceptions), diligent, etc.
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Just so you learn how to understand the Bible through the translated version you so fondly use,
2 Peter 1:10, "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:"
ELECTION in the ORIGINAL GREEK language is eklogēn, and that in ENGLISH means BEING CHOSEN, PICKED OUT. Again.. NOT BY WORKS.. not by you thinking you can SUSTAIN your FAITH.. IT IS PURELY BY FAITH ALONE.. and GOD CHOSE US! The only more complicated debate you can spin from this is pre-destined salvation..
so once more.. Who told you ELECTION refers to "Salvation from hell?" Prove it from the Bible.

to be frank, bible never say 'faith alone' if don't believe, can point to any verse with exact phase 'faith alone'?

faith is never alone, when bible want to show faith of a person, it always point to good work of such person.

it is sad that some church today treat work as dirty word

BTW, the whole bible is based on faith, any verse, whenever it show its promise, is conditional on faith

therefore, it is true that person have active faith can't be snatch off from god's hand

remember that god will never forsake us, it is us who forsake him. how we forsake him, by continue indulging in sin, with false sense of security that once saved is always saved.

Did you read those verses and understand it? or replied for the sake of it ?

Although I agree, faith ALWAYS co exist with WORKS.. As written in JAMES..
James 2:18," Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works."
James 2:19,"But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"

Dead Faith = without works..
You read it differently cos it says 'conditional' faith?
OR you totally ignored all the verses of the Bible that talks about salvation?

So really.. the question is.. DO YOU understand the Bible enough..

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Are both of you saying that justification for salvation from hell is by faith+works, as falsely taught by James's "a man is justified by works and not by faith only" + "faith without works is dead", .? ... which is contrary to the true teaching of apostle Paul, Peter, John and Jesus Christ.

No doubt, good works will bring blessings from God, mainly in the form of a good and long life on earth, and vice versa, as per DEUTERONOMY.28, HEBREWS.10:26-31 and ROMANS.2:5-13. As for the afterlife, many Scripture say that justification for salvation from hell is solely by faith in Jesus Christ = His atoning blood shed on the Cross.
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so you are saying part of bible is fake?

where do you get this idea?

well, i would try to understand what is jewish understanding of faith in OT first.

The biblical concept of faith can be seen in its earliest form in the Old Testament where a variety of Hebrew terms provide a rich and complex definition. As a language of action, Hebrew primitive verbs are "root" verbs.

'Ᾱman

As a root verb, a word consisting of three consonants, this term conveys the sense of "reliability, stability" and "firmness." The meaning of the root verb can be modified by changing the vowels or by adding consonants before the root (prefixes), after the root (suffixes) or within the root (infixes).

The form of the root verb indicates: a) the person (first - I, second - you, third - he /she), b) gender (m / f), and c) number (singular / plural).

The stem of the root verb indicates: a) the voice (active, passive, reflexive) and b) the action (simple, intensive, causative).

The conjugation of the verb indicates whether the action was completed, whether it was volitional, whether it functions as a noun or, as a noun, intensifies a verb, or functions as a verbal adjective.

Of the several verbal stems used in Hebrew, two are of interest in the study of faith.

The hiphil stem of 'āman conveys the meaning "to confirm, be certain, sure" or "to be assured" (Gen 15:6; Ex 14:31; Num 14:11; Deut 1:32; 9:23; Ps 78:22; Isa 43:10; Jonah 3:5). When used in the Old Testament, the context indicates that faith has a basis in historical events; faith has an objective basis in fact. "Faith" is not blind belief or a leap into the unknown, but instead founded on a truth certain of a real God and the absolute reality of His words.

Then he believed ('āman-hiphil) in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness. (Gen 15:6)

When Israel saw the great power which the LORD had used against the Egyptians, the people feared the LORD, and they believed ('āman-hiphil) in the LORD and in His servant Moses. (Ex 14:31)

The LORD said to Moses, "How long will this people spurn Me? And how long will they not believe ('āman-hiphil) in Me, despite all the signs which I have performed in their midst? (Num 14:11)

But for all this, you did not trust ('āman-hiphil) the LORD your God, (Deut 1:32)

When the LORD sent you from Kadesh-barnea, saying, 'Go up and possess the land which I have given you,' then you rebelled against the command of the LORD your God; you neither believed ('āman-hiphil) Him nor listened to His voice. (Deut 9:23)

Because they did not believe ('āman-hiphil) in God and did not trust in His salvation. (Ps 78:22)

You are My witnesses," declares the LORD, and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe ('āman-hiphil) Me and understand that I am He before Me there was no God formed, and there will be none after Me. (Isa 43:10)

Then the people of Nineveh believed ('āman-hiphil) in God; and they called a fast and put on sackcloth from the greatest to the least of them. (Jonah 3:5)

The niphal stem conveys the meaning "to be true, reliable or faithful" and can be applied to both God and men (i.e. God: Deut 7:9, Moses: Num 12:7, prophets: 1 Sam 3:20, servants: 1 Sam 22:14, messenger: Prov 25:13). When referring to beings, "faith" acquires a meaning of "to be entrusted with."

Deuteronomy 7:9 (God): Know therefore that the LORD your God, He is God, the faithful ('āman-niphal) God, who keeps His covenant and His lovingkindness to a thousandth generation with those who love Him and keep His commandments;

Numbers 12:7 (Moses): Not so, with My servant Moses, He is faithful ('āman-niphal) in all My household;

1 Samuel 3:20 (prophet): All Israel from Dan even to Beersheba knew that Samuel was confirmed ('āman-niphal) as a prophet of the LORD.

1 Samuel 22:14 (servant): Then Ahimelech answered the king and said, "And who among all your servants is as faithful ('āman-niphal) as David, even the king's son-in-law, who is captain over your guard, and is honored in your house?

Proverbs 25:13 (messenger): Like the cold of snow in the time of harvest is a faithful ('āman-niphal) messenger to those who send him, for he refreshes the soul of his masters.

When referring to objects, the emphasis of 'āman is placed on the word of God for its "dependability" and its confirmation in subsequent action (i.e. 1 Sam 25:28; 2 Sam 7:16; 1 Kings 8:26; 1 Chron 17:23). This usage is based on God's promise of a Davidic dynasty and is referred to "an established house". The fulfillment of God's promise is not based on the quality of the members of the dynasty; instead, it is an unconditional covenant (see the article "Divine Covenants… the King").

Please forgive the transgression of your maidservant; for the LORD will certainly make for my lord an enduring ('āman-niphal) house, because my lord is fighting the battles of the LORD, and evil will not be found in you all your days. (1 Sam 25:28)

Your house and your kingdom shall endure ('āman-niphal) before Me forever; your throne shall be established forever. (2 Sam 7:16)

Now therefore, O God of Israel, let Your word, I pray, be confirmed ('āman-niphal) which You have spoken to Your servant, my father David. (1 Kings 8:26)

Now, O LORD, let the word that You have spoken concerning Your servant and concerning his house be established ('āman-niphal) forever, and do as You have spoken. (1 Chron 17:23)

Over time, a root verb may morphologically change over time and become a source for derivative words. Arising from the root verb ’āman, several derivative nouns provide a nuanced conceptual meaning to "faith."

'ōmen (faithfulness)

The noun is used to describe God's counsel (Isa 25:11).

'ēmūn (faithful, trusting)

When used of nations, it is a standard by which to measure of their righteousness and acceptability to God (Deut 32:20; Isa 26:2).

When used of human beings, it is a model that is contrasted to the bad (Prov 13:17) and the false (Prov 14:5).

'ĕmûnâ (firmness, fidelity, steadiness)

This term basically applies to God Himself (Deut 32:4) to express His total dependability. It is frequently listed among the attributes of God (1 Sam 26:23; Ps 36:5; Ps 40:10; Lam 3:23) and is used to describe His works (Ps 33:4) and His words (Ps 119:86; 143:1).

It is also used to refer to those whose lives God establishes and in whom He expects to see faithfulness from (Prov 12:22; 2 Chron 19:9). Such faithfulness or a life of faith is characteristic of those justified in God's sight (Hab 2:4). God's word of truth establishes man's way of truth or faithfulness (Ps 119:30).

The Believer is entrusted with the duty of being faithful personally and faithfully responsible to carry out his office (1 Chron 9:22; 2 Chron 31:15).

'ĕmet (firmness, truth)

This term carries underlying sense of certainty and dependability, and it is used directly or indirectly of God. It is applied to God as a characteristic of His nature (Gen 24:27; Ex 34:6; Ps 25:5; 31:5), and it is a term applied to God's words (Ps 119:142, 151, 160).

As a characteristic of God revealed to men, it becomes the means by which men know and serve God as their Savior (Josh 24:14; 1 Kings 2:4; Ps 26:3; Ps 86:11), and a characteristic to be found in those who have come to God (Ex 18:21; Neh 7:2; Ps 15:2).

Because it is an attribute of God which is manifest in man's salvation and life of service as God's child, the word is often coupled with another attribute of God related to our salvation: mercy or love (Gen 24:27; Ps 61:7; Prov 14:22).

Because these attributes of God's truth and mercy lead to God's peace toward sinful men, saved by God's grace, the word is also often coupled with peace (Isa 39:8; Jer 33:6).

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Bāṭaḥ

Another Hebrew root verb figuring prominently in the concept of "faith," bāṭaḥ means "'to trust, rely upon" or "to put confidence in." With a qal or hiphil verbal stem, bāṭaḥ expresses the sense of well-being and security which results from having a certain trust in something or someone. It is the act of believing in something so strongly that a confidence is generated from that trust; for example, God is the true basis of security (2 Kings 18:30; Jer 39:18; Ps 62:8).

nor let Hezekiah make you trust (bāṭaḥ-hiphal) in the LORD, saying, "The LORD will surely deliver us, and this city will not be given into the hand of the king of Assyria." (2 Kings 18:30)

For I will certainly rescue you, and you will not fall by the sword; but you will have your own life as booty, because you have trusted (bāṭaḥ-qal) in Me," declares the LORD.' (Jer 39:18)

Trust (bāṭaḥ-qal) in Him at all times, O people;Pour out your heart before Him; God is a refuge for us. Selah. (Psalm 62:8)
In its various contexts, the Old Testament introduces the concept that "faith" is a belief in historical and factual events and leads to the conclusion that all truth comes from God, and is truth because it is related to God. With this objective basis, the concept of "faith" includes a human response that entails the subjective nature of trust. Genuine faith recognizes the historical reality of God and the reliability of His words and engenders a subjective trust within human beings.

By the time Hebrew is translated into Greek, the Hebrew concept of "faith" expands in the New Testament when describing the relationship between God and human beings.

The Hebrew root 'āman is translated in the LXX (Greek Old Testament) uniformly with the Greek term "pisteuō", which means "faith" in English.

While the he Hebrew root "bāṭaḥ" is translated in the LXX with the Greek term "elpidzō," which means "to hope," it is also translated with the Greek term "pepoitha," which means "trust" or "rely upon" in English.

i don't know where you get that idea, but you need help

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this.. we can both agree

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If the Bible at GALATIANS.2:9-14 stated that James was the false leader of the false Judaizers who had falsely taught that new Gentile Christians converted by apostle Paul, must keep or work ALL the laws of Moses (eg be circumcised, eat only kosher foods, offer animal sacrifices, etc) in order to be saved from hell, it also means that James was teaching falsehood at JAMES.2, ie wrt justification for salvation from hell.
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It's likely that God included the sole Book by JAMES to teach us to discriminate between true and false teachings. Similarly, we should not follow the false teaching in the Book of JONAH or not be like Cain, Esau, King Saul, Judas Iscariot, etc.
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i don't know where you get that idea, but you need help

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How did the above theologians get the Book of James right.? Please elaborate.

Cf: .......

https://zondervanacademic.com/blog/martin-luther-james-bible - Did Martin Luther Really Want James Taken Out of the Bible? - 6 March 2019
Martin Luther, the celebrated catalyst of the Protestant Reformation, famously took issue with the book of James. He didn’t think it expressed the “nature of the Gospel,” it appeared to contradict Paul’s statements about justification by faith, and it didn’t directly mention Christ.

“Therefore St James’ epistle is really an epistle of straw, compared to these others, for it has nothing of the nature of the Gospel about it.” —Martin Luther ...

Martin Luther was openly critical of James, and he wondered whether the epistle belonged in our Bibles, but he never formally proposed it should be removed. He did, however, suggest it be thrown out of schools:

“We should throw the epistle of James out of this school, for it doesn’t amount to much. It contains not a syllable about Christ. Not once does it mention Christ, except at the beginning. I maintain that some Jew wrote it who probably heard about Christian people but never encountered any. Since he heard that Christians place great weight on faith in Christ, he thought, ‘Wait a moment! I’ll oppose them and urge works alone.’ This he did.” .... 

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If the Bible at GALATIANS.2:9-14 stated that James was the false leader of the false Judaizers who had falsely taught that new Gentile Christians converted by apostle Paul, must keep or work ALL the laws of Moses (eg be circumcised, eat only kosher foods, offer animal sacrifices, etc) in order to be saved from hell, it also means that James was teaching falsehood at JAMES.2, ie wrt justification for salvation from hell.
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It's likely that God included the sole Book by JAMES to teach us to discriminate between true and false teachings. Similarly, we should not follow the false teaching in the Book of JONAH or not be like Cain, Esau, King Saul, Judas Iscariot, etc.
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The lack of understanding in Galations 2:9-14 are evident.

In verses 9-10, Paul talks about how James, Peter, and John, recognized the grace given to him and accepted him and Barnabas as coworkers. They encouraged Paul and Barnabas to continue preaching to the Gentiles, while they themselves focused on the Jews.
However, in verses 11-14, Paul recounts an incident in Antioch where Peter stopped eating with Gentile believers after some Jewish Christians arrived, fearing criticism. Paul publicly rebuked Peter, highlighting the hypocrisy of trying to impose Jewish traditions on Gentiles while abandoning those traditions himself.
This passage emphasizes the importance of grace over works and the freedom of Gentiles from the Law of Moses. It also highlights the danger of hypocrisy and the need for consistency in Christian behavior.

You are deriving messages from your OWN understanding..
when the Bible says...
Proverbs 3:5,"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding."

The fact you claim JAMES was teaching falsehood in the Bible, are you indicating the bible is imperfect?
Im sure you need to reconsider your understanding if that's the right direction.

martin luther isn't prophet,

his word has not weight to me

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GALATIANS.2: = 11 Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; 12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. 13 And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.

ACTS.15:1-2 = 15:1 And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 Therefore, when Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and dispute with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas and certain others of them should go up to Jerusalem, to the apostles and elders, about this question.
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Fyi, James was the bishop of Jerusalem = leader of the Judaizers, a sect of early Jewish Christians. So, at GALATIANS.2:12, Peter was fearing men, ie the Judaizers from Bishop James in Jerusalem. The root cause of Peter's hypocrisy came from James who was likely influenced by Satan with his false teachings = doctrines of demons - 1TIMOTHY.4:1-2.
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James, Paul, PETER, all were sinners and all had Sin before and after the are saved.
They are not sinless.. they only SIN-LESS

But all your claims are your ASSUMPTIONS AT BEST..
You're delusional to assume from one chapter and placed the same assumption to another chapter, and best part is filter off all other Bible verses that says otherwise..
Galations 2:12,"For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision."
How can you jump into the conclusions so they are instructions from JAMES?
This merely says it comes from where James holds certain position!
and with that you added SO MANY WORDS into your own understanding to fit the picture you want to build? Or was it something you read from other commentary?

Did you really understand Galations 2:14
"But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?"

This was a matter of JEWS and GENTILES!
Where Peter still hold to customs by the JEWS and the LAW!

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Without Martin Luther, the father of Protestantism, you and 'zanness' would likely have remained Roman Catholics with the papal decrees/words weighing heavily on you.
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Have you read the Trail of Blood ?
Did you think God would allow His word to die off or be absent?
Matthew 24:34 - 35,"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."

The only problem is because Protestants are from the Catholics, they still hold on to MANY Catholic church traditions and they teach it to people like you, which WILL BELIEVE, because you are not taught at the very basic, to JUST RELY ON THE BIBLE!!

The very fact you don’t base your believes in the Bible is the evident results.
Let’s look at baby baptism…

No doubt Protestant churches have preached the Gospel.. But sadly not all have preached the Word of God and understand it..

A whole huge segment on someone commenting?
A whole huge segment of assumptions from what ifs… and perhaps…
That’s how you learn to understand the Bible? Through perhaps and what ifs?
The Bible is COMPLETE! And is so direct , yet you ignore it?
All your quotes from these so called people, all were tackled on from the past replies
At least one thing is clear, where your “source” is from and it’s not the Bible. Merely the understanding of SOMEONE ELSE of Bible.
That’s why, you rather read COMMENTARIES then based it on what the BIBLE plainly has said..

You know what makes false prophets so successful? Is when they add their own thoughts , some FAKE, some even merely OPINIONS AND ASSUMPTIONS, and the COMBINE it with the truth.. lo and behold that’s what you are sharing

Fact check your understanding with the Bible.. any commentary beyond that and you’re basing your salvation on them, NOT the BIBLE

i don't know where you get that idea, but you need help

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this.. we can both agree

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AFAIK, most Protestant people like me do not believe in baby baptism.

Which Protestant Church still believe in baby baptism.? Fyi, I'm Baptist.
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Clearly you have NO IDEA on the other 'Protestant' churches

Do you know what the BAPTIST doctrines are???

If so, then you really gotta check your understanding that you can 'lose' your salvation with your pastor.

The best part is, you even quote people who are NOT baptists!! and you start believing what THEY SAY ?
and not the BIBLE??

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You can just answer my question above.

Does God's truth reside only with comments/opinions by the Baptists or by Catholics or by you or  'desmond2020' or  'unknown warrior' or  'happy4ever' , etc.?
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Fact
- you quote from a source NOT FROM THE BIBLE
- you have no other BIBLICAL base
- you CREATED a CONCLUSION from baseless understandings and ASSUMPTIONS

hence the next FACT
- your words are merely assumptions and none from the bible..
Thanks for quoting 2 Timothy 2. As usual, I will say to you.. UNDERSTAND 2 TIMOTHY 2!!
2 Timothy 2:7 ,"Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things."
2 Timothy 2:9,"Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound."
Can i please repeat this.. "... THE WORD OF GOD IS NOT BOUND"
2 Timothy 2:15," Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
STUDY!!! DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH!! which can only be the BIBLE!
2 Timothy 2:16, " But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness."
Do you need the definition of Babble? TO UTTER WORDS IMPERFECTLY OR INDISTINCTLY, AS CHILDREN, TO TALK IRRATIONALLY..
The fact you dont see yourself is saddening when all my replies are BIBLICALLY BASED when you try so hard to defend opinions and thoughts of other 'preachers', WHO ARE NOT EVEN BAPTISTS!

Your efforts to try and use the Bible, turns out to be aptly for YOURSELF.. The verses itself.. are self explanatory to you..
Again i tell you..
READ THE BIBLE!
Matthew 4:4,"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God"

When Jesus rebuked Satan, He used the scriptures. Even as Jesus have worthy opinions.. He would have used scriptures as references..

My goodness the arrogance..
just google it.. i'm sure you know how to.. you've done that so much in the past few replies, all the time !

Anglicans, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists ..

God's truth resides IN THE BIBLE !
Not my opinion, not my comments..
All I did was showed you the Bible.. don't get offended if the words dont suit your taste..
thats what THE BIBLE wrote!

Fact
- you quote from a source NOT FROM THE BIBLE
- you have no other BIBLICAL base
- you CREATED a CONCLUSION from baseless understandings and ASSUMPTIONS

hence the next FACT
- your words are merely assumptions and none from the bible..
Thanks for quoting 2 Timothy 2. As usual, I will say to you.. UNDERSTAND 2 TIMOTHY 2!!
2 Timothy 2:7 ,"Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things."
2 Timothy 2:9,"Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound."
Can i please repeat this.. "... THE WORD OF GOD IS NOT BOUND"
2 Timothy 2:15," Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
STUDY!!! DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH!! which can only be the BIBLE!
2 Timothy 2:16, " But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness."
Do you need the definition of Babble? TO UTTER WORDS IMPERFECTLY OR INDISTINCTLY, AS CHILDREN, TO TALK IRRATIONALLY..
The fact you dont see yourself is saddening when all my replies are BIBLICALLY BASED when you try so hard to defend opinions and thoughts of other 'preachers', WHO ARE NOT EVEN BAPTISTS!

Your efforts to try and use the Bible, turns out to be aptly for YOURSELF.. The verses itself.. are self explanatory to you..
Again i tell you..
READ THE BIBLE!
Matthew 4:4,"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God"

When Jesus rebuked Satan, He used the scriptures. Even as Jesus have worthy opinions.. He would have used scriptures as references..

The biggest difference between you and me is you quote what PEOPLE SAY.. i quote what the BIBLE SAY.. and more importantly..
That is why i keep telling you to read the verses.. what im saying ARE NOT OPINIONS.
I literally REPEATED what the BIBLE SAYS!
in comparisons you literally took the PERHAPS , or WHAT IFS.. of what OTHER PEOPLE SAY!

Understand now what is OPINION Vs BIBLE ?

You are right.. This we can agree.. God is the highest judge.. but if you say you are a Christian.. and you are apart from the truth, it is my responsibility to rebuke you and tell you the truth..

I dont know the others, I know for a fact i've debated like this with this 'unknown warrior' using the same similar approach.. BIBLE AND NOTHING BUT THE BIBLE..
The only reason probably until today, you still think you are right, is because they are like you.. using opinions to debate on opinions..
Not the BIBLE..

Fact
- you quote from a source NOT FROM THE BIBLE
- you have no other BIBLICAL base
- you CREATED a CONCLUSION from baseless understandings and ASSUMPTIONS

hence the next FACT
- your words are merely assumptions and none from the bible..
Thanks for quoting 2 Timothy 2. As usual, I will say to you.. UNDERSTAND 2 TIMOTHY 2!!
2 Timothy 2:7 ,"Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things."
2 Timothy 2:9,"Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound."
Can i please repeat this.. "... THE WORD OF GOD IS NOT BOUND"
2 Timothy 2:15," Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
STUDY!!! DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH!! which can only be the BIBLE!
2 Timothy 2:16, " But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness."
Do you need the definition of Babble? TO UTTER WORDS IMPERFECTLY OR INDISTINCTLY, AS CHILDREN, TO TALK IRRATIONALLY..
The fact you dont see yourself is saddening when all my replies are BIBLICALLY BASED when you try so hard to defend opinions and thoughts of other 'preachers', WHO ARE NOT EVEN BAPTISTS!

Your efforts to try and use the Bible, turns out to be aptly for YOURSELF.. The verses itself.. are self explanatory to you..
Again i tell you..
READ THE BIBLE!
Matthew 4:4,"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God"

When Jesus rebuked Satan, He used the scriptures. Even as Jesus have worthy opinions.. He would have used scriptures as references..

Still insist its opinions?
LOL
Prove that you dont read my replies.. which are ALL BIBLE VERSES! Merely replying for the sake of it..

Your heart is so hardened.. There's nothing to comment if even plain Bible verses cant get to your heart.. only prayers and God can

penguin, i think this is enough of your madness here. you just troll here because no one give your attention in your RWI thread.

referring this, who give you right to choose which sin is okay? now begone. you can play at your RWI thread. this is last warning before you are reported to mods

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No la. Your reply/post are not ALL BIBLE VERSES. Prove that you don't read what you posted/replied.
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Talk to your pastor.
You have deliberately ignored all bible verses for past corrections but yet highlight grammers?

You need help

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Fyi, OT Jews and NT Christians who will be saved from hell are also called saints in the Bible. .......

REVELATION.14:12 = 12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

REV.17:6 = 6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus.

PSALM.116:15 = Precious in the sight of the Lord
Is the death of His saints.

MATTHEW.27: = 51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

ROMANS.8:27 = 27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
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Very good.
We are getting somewhere .
Now you know the importance of quoting the Bible in what you believe.
Now let me clarify, my reply was in reference to you saying that verse means for saints and me misinterpreting it ..
and as you have quoted, clearly saints are in reference to those who believe in Christ. 
Romans 8:26,27,"Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God."

Once more, ACCORDING TO THE WILL OF GOD. NOT OF OUR OWN WORKS OR OUR OWN EFFORT..
SAINTS.. in this context in reference to the CHRISTIANS in the Roman church. 
again another reference.
Ephesians 6:10, "Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might."
Ephesians 6:18,"Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints."
Saints have the Holy Spirit, I'm sure you can agree on that.
Saints are saved Christians, we all agree..
Saints DO NOT LOSE their salvation, You dont agree.. and you cant find a bible verse that supports or explains it when i've showed you from the Bible many many many references that i didnt even have to explain.. the verses were self-explanatory

Fact
- you quote from a source NOT FROM THE BIBLE
- you have no other BIBLICAL base
- you CREATED a CONCLUSION from baseless understandings and ASSUMPTIONS

hence the next FACT
- your words are merely assumptions and none from the bible..
Thanks for quoting 2 Timothy 2. As usual, I will say to you.. UNDERSTAND 2 TIMOTHY 2!!
2 Timothy 2:7 ,"Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things."
2 Timothy 2:9,"Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound."
Can i please repeat this.. "... THE WORD OF GOD IS NOT BOUND"
2 Timothy 2:15," Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
STUDY!!! DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH!! which can only be the BIBLE!
2 Timothy 2:16, " But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness."
Do you need the definition of Babble? TO UTTER WORDS IMPERFECTLY OR INDISTINCTLY, AS CHILDREN, TO TALK IRRATIONALLY..
The fact you dont see yourself is saddening when all my replies are BIBLICALLY BASED when you try so hard to defend opinions and thoughts of other 'preachers', WHO ARE NOT EVEN BAPTISTS!

Your efforts to try and use the Bible, turns out to be aptly for YOURSELF.. The verses itself.. are self explanatory to you..
Again i tell you..
READ THE BIBLE!
Matthew 4:4,"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God"

When Jesus rebuked Satan, He used the scriptures. Even as Jesus have worthy opinions.. He would have used scriptures as references..

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Your post is just your comment/opinion on a Bible passage.
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So, why can't I quote someone's Bible commentary to add to my comment on a certain topic, eg James's false teachings, since your above-above post is just your comment/opinion on a Bible passage.?

Only God can decide whether your or my Bible comments/opinions are true or false. So far, it seems, recent events have proven that MIA  'unknown warrior's (= a neo-Pentecostal/Charismatic) Bible comments/opinions are not quite true and the sexually immoral 'happy4ever's (= a Pentecostal from DUMC) Bible comments/opinions are quite false.

Also, only God can judge who are the true or false Christians, bound for heaven or hell, not you or me or etc.
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The biggest difference between you and me is you quote what PEOPLE SAY.. i quote what the BIBLE SAY.. and more importantly..
That is why i keep telling you to read the verses.. what im saying ARE NOT OPINIONS.
I literally REPEATED what the BIBLE SAYS!
in comparisons you literally took the PERHAPS , or WHAT IFS.. of what OTHER PEOPLE SAY!

Understand now what is OPINION Vs BIBLE ?

You are right.. This we can agree.. God is the highest judge.. but if you say you are a Christian.. and you are apart from the truth, it is my responsibility to rebuke you and tell you the truth..

I dont know the others, I know for a fact i've debated like this with this 'unknown warrior' using the same similar approach.. BIBLE AND NOTHING BUT THE BIBLE..
The only reason probably until today, you still think you are right, is because they are like you.. using opinions to debate on opinions..
Not the BIBLE..

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No la. You quote the Bible and gave your comments/opinions on it. Same like how other Christians quote the Bible and give comments/opinions on it.

Similarly when I quote these other Christians' comments/opinions to add to my comments/opinions and quotes of the Bible, eg about James's false teachings. To me, it's the same thing as what you have been doing. The only difference is that my post may have 2 or more Bible commentaries/opinions on a certain subject.
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https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4492449/+6860 - post #6879 - Evolution and scientific theory : real or myth?, Science versus belief
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Examples that I have already shown you the evidence/proofs but they were all likely denied by you, .......

Spear2 said on Jul 6 2023, 01:57pm
The problem is when you have no knowledge and understanding of TOE. On top of that you are only interested in refuting TOE. So even garbage in you would not be able to tell the difference as long as it serves your purpose.

If I ask you why it's not garbage, you would not answer except for insult, repeat and nonsense because you don't know TOE. ...
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lurkingaround said on Jul 6 2023, 03:46pm
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More cerita dongeng or garbage-spinning from atheists/evolutionists and scientists, .......

https://answersingenesis.org/human-evolutio...like-creatures/ - Did Humans Really Evolve from Apelike Creatures?
by Dr. David Menton on February 25, 2010; 
.... Even many Christians who uncritically accept evolution as “God’s way of creating” try to somehow elevate the origin of man, or at least his soul, above that of the beasts. Evolutionists attempt to soften the blow by assuring us that man didn’t exactly evolve from apes (tailless monkeys) but rather from apelike creatures. This is mere semantics, however, as many of the presumed apelike ancestors of man are apes and have scientific names, which include the word pithecus (derived from the Greek meaning “ape”).  The much-touted “human ancestor” commonly known as “Lucy,” for example, has the scientific name Australopithecus afarensis (meaning “southern ape from the Afar triangle of Ethiopia”).  ....
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Artistic imagination has been used to illustrate entire “apemen” from nothing more than a single tooth. In the early 1920s, the “apeman” Hesperopithecus (which consisted of a single tooth) was pictured in the London Illustrated News complete with the tooth’s wife, children, domestic animals, and cave! Experts used this tooth, known as “Nebraska man,” as proof for human evolution during the time of the Scopes trial in 1925. In 1927, parts of the skeleton were discovered together with the teeth, and Nebraska man was found to really be an extinct peccary (wild pig)! ....
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Combining Men and Apes

The most famous example of an apeman proven to be a combination of ape and human bones is Piltdown man. In 1912, Charles Dawson, a medical doctor and an amateur paleontologist, discovered a mandible (lower jawbone) and part of a skull in a gravel pit near Piltdown, England. The jawbone was apelike, but had teeth that showed wear similar to the human pattern. The skull, on the other hand, was very humanlike. These two specimens were combined to form what was called “Dawn man,” which was calculated to be 500,000 years old.

The whole thing turned out to be an elaborate hoax. The skull was indeed human (about 500 years old), while the jaw was that of a modern female orangutan whose teeth had been obviously filed to crudely resemble the human wear pattern. Indeed, the long ape canine tooth was filed down so far that it exposed the pulp chamber, which was then filled in to hide the mischief. It would seem that any competent scientist examining this tooth would have concluded that it was either a hoax or the world’s first root canal! The success of this hoax for over 50 years, in spite of the careful scrutiny of the best authorities in the world, led the human evolutionist Sir Solly Zuckerman to declare: “It is doubtful if there is any science at all in the search for man’s fossil ancestry.”1 ....
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Conclusion

Why then are there continued efforts to make apes out of man and man out of apes? In one of the most remarkably frank and candid assessments of the whole subject and the methodology of paleoanthropology, Dr. David Pilbeam (a distinguished professor of anthropology) suggested the following:

Perhaps generations of students of human evolution, including myself, have been flailing about in the dark; that our data base is too sparse, too slippery, for it to be able to mold our theories. Rather the theories are more statements about us and ideology than about the past. Paleoanthropology reveals more about how humans view themselves than it does about how humans came about. But that is heresy.4

Oh, that these heretical words were printed as a warning on every textbook, magazine, newspaper article, and statue that presumes to deal with the bestial origin of man!

No, we are not descended from apes. Rather, God created man as the crown of His creation on Day 6. We are a special creation of God, made in His image, to bring Him glory. What a revolution this truth would make if our evolutionized culture truly understood it!
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5300217/+5060 - post #5069 - Why are you not an atheist yet?, Benefits of being an atheist.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5300217/+4280 - post #4283 - Jun 22 2023, 11:55 AM ....
https://answersingenesis.org/natural-select...h-out-of-water/ - Did Humans Evolve from a Fish out of Water?
by Dr. Elizabeth Mitchell on February 1, 2014
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Evolutionists proclaim discovery of the ancestral anatomy for air-breathing terrestrials in an African fish. ...
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