Another one that didn't do their homework.

The Jesus that I know (of the Bible) different from that religion teaches / says this one thing that sets it apart.

Love your enemies pray for those who persecute you.

I think, for those who lived long enough in Christianity will understand this;

The nature of the flesh or carnality, the natural reaction is to strike back when being offended.

The devil love this. The devil is all about destruction (kill, steal & destroy). How many have the devil has instigated people to kill or harm others thinking they're doing God a favor? Even this phrase is recorded in the Bible.
And Yet God tells us to do something that is really mind boggling if not weird.

Why love enemies who persecute or wants to harm you even?

It caused me to think this God is different from all others.

God has repeated told us, VENGEANCE "BELONGS" to HIM alone.

In overall perspective, it helped me to understand only God is qualified to dispense judgement if not vengeance. We human with limited knowledge who do not know everything hence is utterly unqualified. To be able to dispense judgement, you must know the facts and you must know everything that is going on to the best of your knowledge, else it will be flawed judgement. Only God has that kind of knowledge but a complete one A-Z.

This has given me the perspective the God that I've come to believe in and live in is the right one and different.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Feb 9 2023, 08:33 AM

I can understand your feeling but Christian main concern is after all for the well being of your soul if you can see it.

Their main concern is for you to saved from destruction.

But anyway the call to help other is something God tells us to do but whether you want to accept the invitation to be save or not cannot be forced, it's your right to choose.

Can you give a real life experience of who was your enemy and what they did to you and how when presented with the opportunity to actually strike back you did not.

Save from destruction ? I really don't know about that one. Lately I have been following YouTube Nabi Asli channel to understand about the Quran. Oh boy, what I can say is this, based on the teachings alone. As much as the Muslims wants to claim that our Lord Jesus is the same as their prophet Isa, our Almighty God is the same as their Allah, they are not the same at all. Their teachings in the Quran contradicts everything in our Holy Bible.

Yup agree with your last line, it is the same when our Lord walked on earth. Repent for the Kingdom of God is close at hand.

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Feb 9 2023, 08:53 AM

To me, it's more like us Christians had failed in transmitting our own Christian faith to our younger Christian generation.

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Feb 9 2023, 11:00 AM

It's clear that Islam and Christianity are different religions though share some common values.
But jangan pandai pandai stir up tension between the 2 just to show how clever or right you are. You shd understand the context of the country we live in. We are admonish to be at peace with all men..... As far as possible.

Isa of Islam is just another messenger.
Whereas Yeshua/Jesus of the Christians is the Almighty God Messiah who DIED and REsurrected after 3 days as He prophesied.
Muslins do not believe this.

The claim that the Apostle Paul is deceitful and has corrupted the Bible.

Galatians 2:9 (NIV) - James, Cephas and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised.


Lets look at the facts of Apostle Paul.

Before he met Christ, he was Saul a Pharisee of Pharisees who wanted to kill of Christianity. He very well advance in Judaism even beyond his peers in knowledge and zeal.

Why would someone steeped in what he believes in, and wanting to destroy Christianity, end up writing the Bible and rooting in support of Jesus Christ a 180 degrees turn?

That is Fact No 1 and it doesn't make any sense to say he is deceitful and wants to corrupt the Bible. Not unless he has indeed believe he has met the God of the scripture. That was all that mattered in his life.

The Bible cannot stand for long if you try to destroy by writing but at the same time rooting in great support. It just cannot last. No house, no organization can stand the test of time when you fight against internally or try to contradict. .

Everything that the Apostle Paul wrote and teach, ALL of them points to loving God and repenting from Sin. Nothing he wrote indicated to contradict what God wanted.

That is Fact No 2 and it doesn't make any sense to say he is deceitful and wants to corrupt the Bible.

And

Fact No 3. Paul was not influence by any human with regards to the message he preached and wrote.

Galatians 1: 11-12 (NIV) - I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.

For Paul to be deceitful with intent to corrupt the Bible, all that he wrote would have been rejected by the Apostles and the church at that time. Yet he was accepted and recognize as an apostle and that his writing as accepted as authority of scripture. Bear in mind when Paul tried to join the other apostles at first, the apostles were afraid and didn't believe he was a disciple of Christ. What lead the other apostles to accept him later on? Think about it. It can only lead to the point that indeed Christ has chosen Paul to write the Bible as recorded on Galatians 1. Because they recognize Christ in Paul's writing. The Apostles are no nonsense type of people who simply accept anyone.

Fact No 4. Paul was convinced all that he understood & believed in Judaism is finally revealed pointing to Christ. For Judaism, God's Law was the center of attention for everything. It is the measuring stick to be measured against. Yet in Paul writing's, he finally understood the Law was not the truth but Christ is. If Paul had deceitful intention, he would have discredit Christ and magnified even more of what Judaism uphold not the other way around.

There are more to go on but I believe these 4 simple facts is enough to tell you, Paul who prior to conversion was willing to kill believers of Christ now is willing to die to defend all that is of Christianity, God, Scripture and even fellow believers.

Therefore, the idea that Paul corrupted or invented the beliefs of Christianity has no basis whatsoever. Indeed, Paul was a faithful minister of the gospel of Christ.

God Bless.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Feb 9 2023, 11:05 AM

Sorry bro, rather keep it P&C for now, I may have disclosed it the last time in previous Christian thread.

But suffice to say there is and even now.

It's still a learning curve for me, dare not claim I'm perfectly holy or what not. But I need to let go and love still, providing aid when needed.

The main gist of Christian life is to live free, light of burdens or bondages of hate, bad habits, etc.

To have God living in our life & heart is to be free of hate, bitterness, unforgiveness or resentment even.

Christianity is really day to day living with God in our lives. Being close....But for us we can call God our Heavenly Father even because that is what He is to his children.

Relationship.

Hebrews 10:38 - 39 (NIV) - And, But my righteous one will live by faith. And I take no pleasure in the one who shrinks back. But we do not belong to those who shrink back and are destroyed, but to those who have faith and are saved.

Disclaimer : All purely my opinion and it is up to you to take it or leave it. I'm just sharing my thoughts and some pointers.

I would say, His characteristics. - John 10:30-33
If you want to know more, you can do your own research.
His life biography all in the Bible. - Matthew, Mark, Luke, John
It's like getting to know a person, a new friend/relationship.
Take it as a personal journey. (For me, it is a life-changing experience.)

In this age of time, we're lucky to have the Bible easily available for us.
It's also digitally available online.

Also, everyone can say they believe in God/Jesus, the Devil also believe in God. - James 2:19
Believing easily without fact finding and understanding is called gullible.

So the question here, seriously, do you want to know Jesus personally? - John 10:27-28

Extra

But muslim believe Isa is born of virgin Mary.
But why Isa have this kind of special privilege?

This post has been edited by OlgaC4: Feb 9 2023, 11:13 AM

OlgaC4 you are a Muslim right ? Stop equating Isa being born of the Virgin Mary. Your prophet Isa is born of a different Mary from the Christians Virgin Mary. Either you are confused OR you are trying to confuse everyone.

There are many special special characteristics of Isa in the Quran. They cannot explain this clearly. Obviously it is plagiarised from the NT.
However, they do not accept the divinity and Messiahship of Jesus.

I am sin slave bought by Jesus using His own blood.

I applaud our brother & sisters in Christ of sharing our faith but the real danger doing this online without knowing who is actually behind the end of the other line, our words will be used against our very own brother & sister who are completely weak in their faith. The YouTube videos that I am coming across about Christians converting to other faiths, they are using the same Christian stories to suit and justify their narrative for conversion !

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Feb 9 2023, 11:26 AM

Also...

Being the moderator for this thread, if there are moment ..any hint of fights start, I'll have to delete such posts.

Guys keep everything level headed and calm.

Thank you very muchi.

And whoever welcome a little child like this in my name welcomes me. BUT if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large milestone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

As scriptures says we must be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Feb 9 2023, 11:34 AM

It is quite obvious from the video, she was not discipled and left on her own.
Most churches are very weak in discipleship.
OTOH there are many members in churches for various reasons, which may not include becoming a disciple of Jesus.