horns, how do you like the haimu midnight blue?
The specs looks freakishly similar to a Wuque switch..
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May 15 2023, 11:10 AM
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QUOTE(quarantined @ May 15 2023, 10:20 AM) horns, how do you like the haimu midnight blue? imo haimu midnight blue is relatively acceptable to be used as is. however, it's better to at least lube the spring and leaf. it also has a shorter key travel distance. (3.5mm)The specs looks freakishly similar to a Wuque switch..  yes, this is because haimu is the oem for wuque's switches. This post has been edited by horns: May 15 2023, 11:21 AM |
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May 15 2023, 11:37 AM
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QUOTE(zzzz52 @ May 13 2023, 10:54 PM) I agree with it. We go with items that fits with our budget. We can start small and get more feel and experience. Monday back to work, using the oilking+graywoodv3 (in office)I take whatever time I can spare to do small small experiments and read stuff here and other places. I have done a few more lubing + filming by doing 1pc and compare the "improvement" vs the stock » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « really 'deeply satisfied' on typing feel.... lubed graywood on home pc no way reach the feel, even in office only alphabet using oilking and other is stock graywood+mmd panda mix.  have a bit itchy to change home m1 to all oilking,but think again...... that that fine lubed graywood will be collect dust....i think i shouldnt do that  QUOTE(quarantined @ May 15 2023, 10:20 AM) horns, how do you like the haimu midnight blue? not so familiar with wuque switch, but once of the youtuber, Hipyo Tech seen like using a lot of weque switches. other youtuber/bilibili up's seen like nobody using.The specs looks freakishly similar to a Wuque switch.. so how it perform. as i see on shopee, the pricing quite reasonable. This post has been edited by josh5671: May 15 2023, 11:38 AM |
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May 15 2023, 11:45 AM
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I just lubed and filmed the Wuque WS brown, the ping is still "loud", but I did not lube the leaf. The top and bottom housing is still consider quite loose even after using a 0.14mm film.
It did come with factory lubed stock. This post has been edited by zzzz52: May 15 2023, 11:48 AM |
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May 15 2023, 12:00 PM
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QUOTE(zzzz52 @ May 15 2023, 11:45 AM) I just lubed and filmed the Wuque WS brown, the ping is still "loud", but I did not lube the leaf. The top and bottom housing is still consider quite loose even after using a 0.14mm film. this is weird. i am preparing wuque ws white/silent linear for the next build. there was no switch top wobble afaik.It did come with factory lubed stock. |
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May 15 2023, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE(horns @ May 15 2023, 12:00 PM) this is weird. i am preparing wuque ws white/silent linear for the next build. there was no switch top wobble afaik. This is what is observed. Other switch like the Boba U4T that I have do not show the gap between the top and bottom housing when "moved"  Above are GIF image. |
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May 15 2023, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE(zzzz52 @ May 15 2023, 12:35 PM) This is what is observed. Other switch like the Boba U4T that I have do not show the gap between the top and bottom housing when "moved" later i will double check again. i have tested mine after tuned, but didn't observe such issues. (my test is like yours, but pushing switch top in north-south, east-west directions repeatedly)» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Above are GIF image. edit: well, no wobble for switch tops here. i tested for more than 10 times of repeated teardowns previously. This post has been edited by horns: May 16 2023, 10:48 AM |
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May 17 2023, 09:39 AM
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this build is completed. later i will solder everything, and add it to my collection of reference builds.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « wuque ws silent linear (white) is another 5-pin linear with 3.5mm total key travel distance, 63.5g 15mm linear rated spring, full-nylon housing, and pom stem. |
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May 17 2023, 10:35 AM
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keebsproject mousepad?
also what are the keycaps set behind? Looks nice! |
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May 17 2023, 11:09 AM
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QUOTE(quarantined @ May 17 2023, 10:35 AM) keebsproject mousepad? the deskmat was from taobao.also what are the keycaps set behind? Looks nice! the key caps are shenpo's dye sub. the name of this set is literally 'pink green japanese'. there is one with the same colorways, korean sub legends. i think you can get it from shopee also iinm. know that taobao's shipping costs have increased for a while now. quarantined liked this post
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May 18 2023, 11:11 AM
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i usually ignore most of their marketing-related gadgets, but gateron released few innovations recently. they are mainly improvements to support switch hotswapping and rgb better.
1. gpro 3.0 series of key switches. the key switch pins of this series have been made 'harder', with increased conductivity; additional light diffusion plastic are added at the area of switch tops for led light, so the lighting effects are relatively better now (compared to their gpro 2.0); 2. gateron 2.0 switch sockets. now they have double-contact design to provide better supports to secure and contact switch pins; increased shelf life to 50k switch installations. note that the above are on paper mainly. i'm not sure how good such improvements irl. i believe there are something going on in the background for other brands. hopefully they will be out soon. |
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May 18 2023, 02:56 PM
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QUOTE(josh5671 @ May 15 2023, 11:37 AM) Monday back to work, using the oilking+graywoodv3 (in office) I just bought more of those MMD Holy panda from a different vendor than my initial ones. After lubing and filming them, they sounded different. lol really 'deeply satisfied' on typing feel.... lubed graywood on home pc no way reach the feel, even in office only alphabet using oilking and other is stock graywood+mmd panda mix. have a bit itchy to change home m1 to all oilking,but think again...... that that fine lubed graywood will be collect dust....i think i shouldnt do that not so familiar with wuque switch, but once of the youtuber, Hipyo Tech seen like using a lot of weque switches. other youtuber/bilibili up's seen like nobody using. so how it perform. as i see on shopee, the pricing quite reasonable. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Left = new Right = initial Can see the "MMD" are different. After this case, it will make me stay away from "clones" as although the name can be same, but the parts are different. At least when we buy the branded ones like Akko lavender, it will be lavender no matter where you bought it from. lol. I have tested the JWK T1 black, lubed, filmed and the feel, sound, cost are just right for me. Therefore I bought 90pcs to fix it to my M3 That I just received today. Just a few photos of it. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « This post has been edited by zzzz52: Jun 3 2023, 09:48 PM |
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May 18 2023, 04:13 PM
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QUOTE(zzzz52 @ May 18 2023, 02:56 PM) I just bought more of those MMD Holy panda from a different vendor than my initial ones. After lubing and filming them, they sounded different. lol it's also possible that they were from different revisions/versions. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Left = new Right = initial Can see the "MMD" are different. After this case, it will make me stay away from "clones" as although the name can be same, but the parts are different. At least when we buy the branded ones like Akko lavender, it will be lavender no matter where you bought it from. lol. I have tested the JWK T1 black, lubed, filmed and the feel, sound, cost are just right for me. Therefore I bought 90pcs to fix it to my M3 That I just received today. Just a few photos of it. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « however, inconsistency is a fairly common issue. it happens in at least two ways: different batches of the same switch, or different revisions. to counter this, i usually get sufficient amounts per batch. this also was why i found it weird that no one mentioned it anymore. it's like this doesn't happen to new budget switches. something is just not right. please share with us your experience with m3  |
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May 18 2023, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE(zzzz52 @ May 18 2023, 02:56 PM) I just bought more of those MMD Holy panda from a different vendor than my initial ones. After lubing and filming them, they sounded different. lol FYI, MMD holy panda did get V2 last year.  Left = new Right = initial Can see the "MMD" are different. After this case, it will make me stay away from "clones" as although the name can be same, but the parts are different. At least when we buy the branded ones like Akko lavender, it will be lavender no matter where you bought it from. lol. I have tested the JWK T1 black, lubed, filmed and the feel, sound, cost are just right for me. Therefore I bought 90pcs to fix it to my M3 That I just received today. Just a few photos of it.   but i cant differentiate v1 and v2....so i cant tell about 100 i own v1 or v2. definitely not inconsistent as i tested most (not all) of my MMD holy panda, they sound and feel the same. |
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May 18 2023, 04:43 PM
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QUOTE(josh5671 @ May 18 2023, 04:36 PM) FYI, MMD holy panda did get V2 last year. It is just the marking are different for both MMD that I have. The latest ones that I got, the shound is very much sharper and louder compared to my old ones.but i cant differentiate v1 and v2....so i cant tell about 100 i own v1 or v2. definitely not inconsistent as i tested most (not all) of my MMD holy panda, they sound and feel the same. But I will wait for the T1 and see how the latest order sounds like. But I just feel that if it is from a same switch model, but from different batchs without any "improvement" made to the design, I would think it should not have significant difference in sound or feel. If it is so different, it should be labeled with something like MMD Holy Panda V2. But so far I do not notice any shopee seller mark it this way? Do you know any seller marking it as V1, V2? |
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May 18 2023, 04:49 PM
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QUOTE(zzzz52 @ May 18 2023, 04:43 PM) It is just the marking are different for both MMD that I have. The latest ones that I got, the shound is very much sharper and louder compared to my old ones. from shopee search result. but i cant tell the different other then color ( maybe that just some photo whitebalance diff)But I will wait for the T1 and see how the latest order sounds like. But I just feel that if it is from a same switch model, but from different batchs without any "improvement" made to the design, I would think it should not have significant difference in sound or feel. If it is so different, it should be labeled with something like MMD Holy Panda V2. But so far I do not notice any shopee seller mark it this way? Do you know any seller marking it as V1, V2? https://shopee.com.my/search?keyword=mmd%20holy%20panda%20v2 |
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May 18 2023, 04:57 PM
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QUOTE(horns @ May 18 2023, 04:13 PM) it's also possible that they were from different revisions/versions. Regarding the switches, this just means that if I find a particular switch I'm fond of, I would be wise to order more relatively quickly from the initial purchase from the same vendor to "lock" in the characteristic that I'm looking for.however, inconsistency is a fairly common issue. it happens in at least two ways: different batches of the same switch, or different revisions. to counter this, i usually get sufficient amounts per batch. this also was why i found it weird that no one mentioned it anymore. it's like this doesn't happen to new budget switches. something is just not right. please share with us your experience with m3 How many are sufficient is really very subjective then. regarding the M3, it really exceeded my expectation. The anodizing, machining etc is just great. I was expecting something like a "tin kosong". I cannot imagine how a premium board feels and looks like. lolx I will be looking to install those stabs that came with the M3 first. |
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May 18 2023, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE(josh5671 @ May 18 2023, 04:49 PM) from shopee search result. but i cant tell the different other then color ( maybe that just some photo whitebalance diff) Ya ya. Same feeling here. It is just hard to know what you are really gonna get unless you buy like 1 or 2 pcs to try out then buy more. lolxhttps://shopee.com.my/search?keyword=mmd%20holy%20panda%20v2 |
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May 18 2023, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE(zzzz52 @ May 18 2023, 04:57 PM) Regarding the switches, this just means that if I find a particular switch I'm fond of, I would be wise to order more relatively quickly from the initial purchase from the same vendor to "lock" in the characteristic that I'm looking for. in the case of this switch, i think so. this is related to qc at manufacturing. for well-known brands, e.g., cherry, gateron, kailh, jwick, and tecsee, usually the differences are not signficant or obvious. however, shits might still happen, but the chances are relatively lower. for instance, cherry is well-known for their strict qc, but even for them there were incidents that certain batches are a bit 'different'.How many are sufficient is really very subjective then. regarding the M3, it really exceeded my expectation. The anodizing, machining etc is just great. I was expecting something like a "tin kosong". I cannot imagine how a premium board feels and looks like. lolx I will be looking to install those stabs that came with the M3 first. i think with the quality shifts between tiers, stories of 'tin kosong' might be gone for good after this. it's also easy to spot 'tin kosong'. just check the weight, then compare it to form factor, e.g., to avoid 'tin kosong' effects, for 60%, at least 1kg for the case alone; for 75 and tkl, at least 1.5kg. unless the designers are so drunk that they make very thin bottom, it should be safe enough to justify based on weight (mass). entry-level are usually plain and simple. mid-tier and premium kits usually have more 'features', e.g., additional weights, with different materials. design wise, they are also more complex, and should have support for more mounting styles in one kit. edit: the presence of dedicated weights also helps to minimize 'tin kosong' effects. (however, the weights must be heavy enough) there was a test on kbdfans' d65. without weight, the case sounded hollow. with weight, it sounded nice. This post has been edited by horns: May 18 2023, 08:19 PM zzzz52 liked this post
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May 18 2023, 10:55 PM
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Just completed the initial build of the M3, wanted to quickly know how an Aluminum board feels and sounds like to type on. Something interesting for me: I lubed and tuned the screw in stabs. Initially I checked all the stabs with the keycaps before the assembling PCB to the plate and casing. All was fine. But after fully assembling it, the spacebar got sticky and I had to open up the casing again, loosen the screw on the stabs, realign it, then only tighten it back. Didn't think that assembling the plate to the PCB would causing the stabs to be "misaligned" Anyhow, I just used the foam between the PCB and plate. Removed all the other foams. Switch = stock MMD holy pandas The typing feel and sound is something new to me. Even with this stock MMDs, the board does not sound that hollow/metallic. It was towards the right side near to the arrow keys area that I can notice the "echo". Comparing this Aluminum board to a plastic board that I have, a Alu board sounded more clean/crisp to me. Plastic is like muddy. This just means more time for me to play and have fun with this board. Now waiting for those JWK T1 black to reach me for me to try it out on the M3. Thinking of also getting that FR4 and POM plate for the M3 to play with as well later. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « This post has been edited by zzzz52: Jun 3 2023, 09:49 PM bjonbjonbjon liked this post
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