this is because the typing feel is nice if they are thick (it's different from thick pbt), and they are not ugly if the right printing technology is used (double-/triple-shot).

This post has been edited by horns: May 9 2023, 08:57 PM

Then probably will get those premium gmk keycaps one day. U made it feel so nice

huiyo don't put it that way. the fact that everyone is going after them gb after gb already spoke for itself haha

actually, to try out thick abs, you can pick gmk, jtk, or domikey. while there are differences in details, they are qualified thick abs.

for instance, instead of a complete set, you can get alpha-numeric-only from domikey. (also, domikey's long keys are all straight)

This post has been edited by horns: May 9 2023, 09:00 PM

Hey btw, I just receive 2pcs each of cherry black and brown, and it is immediately so distinct from my other switches, it seems like so "rough".... is this what they mean by scratchy?

right, that's called 'scratchy'. now you have a better idea what 'scratchy' means

yikes. stock cherry black and brown?
unless the price is real real low, otherwise china budget switch really overkill it left and right.

I'm gonna lube 1 of it to see how much improvement it can be made into.

I also just simply change the spring for 1pc of my Akko Jelly purple switch.
From the ori 22mm extension spring to the TX 18mm 65g spring. And it made the tactile feel so much less. Never know the spring will affect the tactile bump feel that significantly.

for cherry mx, it's better to do a brief break-in (at least for a week or two) before lubing. i think i saw a guy offering break-in service also (to make the so-called cherry mx ultraglides)

switch lubing was essential to cherry mx due to that scratchiness, because they were the mainstream mechanical key switches that made mkbs more accessible and popular back then. all we had were og full-nylon cherry mx switches with three base types, i.e., linear, tactile, and clicky. gateron, kailh, or outemu didn't exist yet. they only appeared later, and offerred mx style clone switches to the growing mkb community. because all makers followed the same cherry mx standards (it's not only about switches, but pcb, key cap sizes, etc.), a rich ecosystem and market for cherry mx style switches were formed. today, they are ridiculously rich in options, and remain as the most successful, totally community-driven ecosystem in the history of mechanical keyboards.

as for other mechanical key switches, like topre, alps, and even the newer low-profile, they are no where near.

in general, everything in a stock key switch plays a part to produce the final outcomes, e.g., for mx style key switches, they are housing, stem, leaf, and spring. additionally, mods also change stock feels and sound.

This post has been edited by horns: May 10 2023, 11:46 AM

tbh, it's really a shame that despite a good reference of historical success, makers apparently did not get the underlying benefits of standards, and how to harvest the buying power of a community.

if these makers can work together to define requirements that everyone can agree with, and share them as open standards (e.g., pcb designs, key switch footprints, keycaps, stabilizers, etc.), their low-profile key switches will enjoy another era of glory.

that's why i said, smart people can do dumb stuff, with terrible consequences. they manage to turn something with great revenue generating potentials into pointless struggles for them. impressive, right?

This post has been edited by horns: May 10 2023, 01:01 PM

capitalism are real

yes.

well, this hobby alone helps put food on tables for many people, and there are always many sides of a story. this is also why i don't bother to comment on clone keycap sets, or flippers.

i just hope new comers learn proper basics, so that they can make own judgements, get the right stuff, have fun, don't get influenced and conned so easily hehe

same reason I still reading & looking around

now is the better time to start. it's way better and cost effective than before.

compared to few years ago, boards with switch hotswapping support have been improved, with more features, e.g., various foams, hex screws, plate options, and affordable. when you have gained more experience, and wanna move on to advanced kits, you can still use the same hotswap board as test and break-in unit.

will you pay 3.5k usd (about 16k myr) for a titanium housing only? this is the price for a titanium-based norbaforce mark iv.



This post has been edited by horns: May 10 2023, 06:05 PM

maybe not... enuf only wallet made of Titanium

it's an example of what people are willing to do for their passions in life. we all do crazy stuffs for the best of the same, although 3.5k usd is not part of the plan haha

ryan norbauer makes various luxurious stuff for topre boards.

edit: the patent of topre electro-capacitive key switches expired in 2004.

it's almost 20 years after the expiry date, the movement is not as aggresive as cherry mx style key switches. however, topre enthusiasts are still working on various projects to make typing experience of topre boards relatively richer.

This post has been edited by horns: May 11 2023, 11:12 AM

testing switching office MG75 alphabets switches into oilking
force feel like graywoodv3 +5gram, but the travel and bottom out absolutely much much smoother
definitely worth to discover this

now next plan are switching large key into better tactile switches.
azure dragon v2 probably the way to go:hehe:


special thanks krayden for the oil king switch

What switch is that beside the oil king? The Oil king definitely is very smooth, I like it as well. If I'm using linear, I probably will go for that at the moment as well.
Any reason for the Azure dragon V2?

This post has been edited by zzzz52: May 11 2023, 10:43 PM

left of the oil king, not so sure, but i believe it is Penyu Linear Switch.
Quite loud of its short travel/bottom-out. smoothness consider 'so-so' compare to oil king/graywood v3

azure dragon v2 probably/consider is best tactile with that price range? about RM2~2.8 ish price range (ofc getting from china and ship with other keyboard part will make it lower)
or maybe got other budget but powerful tactile switch that i dont know about?


also just learned azure dragon series also gateron switches, seen like i give more attention on this brand, as before this i thought this just random cheaplak brand, as std gateron red that without dust proof perform so bad....

right, oil king is one of the better linear. its housing design also supports north facing orientation, so it will not interfere cherry profile keycaps at home row.