Hi I'm software developer and currently salary <=8k. I had been working for 2 companies for my 12 years working life. Should I change my job since the economy in year of 2022 not so good right now? Btw, may i know will salary increment 20% too much for job hopping?
Kindly appreciate your experiences & comments. TQTQ~

This post has been edited by CuteSniper22: May 17 2022, 02:39 AM

8k for 12 years working is kinda low for Klang Valley.
20% is not a lot and software developer doesn't see this anyway.
If you have the skill/stack, they will pay you.

I m <=8k as well.
Worked for 5 years and is my 4th job.
IT consultant

20% is quite low tbh for job hopping.

You should be asking at least 30%.

Unexpected. I think u must in higher position with such salary.

Haha... are u just kidding? minimum 30%? more than 10k ~
Same for the workload + 30% ?
I wonder the HR will pusing kepala~ hehe

This post has been edited by CuteSniper22: May 17 2022, 02:57 AM

my last 2 job hopping was 53%~ and 37%~

and no im not kidding.

My title is Junior. So it is not high at all. Just the skill set is specific and in the IT presales world is generally lack of people. Cause most IT people prefer to not deal with people and work at backend. Presales requires a skill set to deal with customer that is sometimes an idiot and demanding. Just like programmer dealing with Project Manager that promise everything.

Just to give you the flow.
Support Engineer <3.5k
Presales Consultant cum Support Engineer <4.5k
Sales Specialist <6k
Current <8k

Each team in my department focus their own job equally, without interfere other job scope
That why I'm not prefer to do those all lumpsum jobs which need to deal with document works & user /operation side, hard to communicate with them like playing office politics... haiz~
Btw, are these job positions promoted in same company or hop to other company? Mind to share how many percentage of salary increment for each hopping?

This post has been edited by CuteSniper22: May 17 2022, 03:14 AM

Write above already lo. [start pay - last pay]
1st Job - Support Engineer [2.5k-3.5k] 1 Year before hop
2nd Job - Presales Consultant cum Support Engineer [3.8k-4.5k] 1.5 Year before hop
3rd Job - Sales Specialist [6k] 6 months before hop
4th Job - Consultant [7k-~8k] current

seem like ur increment around 1k+ for each hop.
middle increment with many hops (quite safety) ...haha

This post has been edited by CuteSniper22: May 17 2022, 03:41 AM

Mind to share your position, senior level? manager? or higher?

TS, just ask for 30% and trust your own skill.

I got my recommendation from a headhunter, they help me propose 30% of my current and I have around 8~9 years of experience and finally, I got the offer.

This post has been edited by dragon528: May 17 2022, 02:58 PM

Min 30%.

Good to start high and try not to sell yourself too low. Some companies may have antiquated policies. Those are the type, unless you are desperate, you should avoid.

Happened to me that I asked for 40% negotiable and got 70%. I got offered for a more higher position than what I applied because I did well in interview and have additional experience (as I was wearing multiple hats in my previous company) that fulfills the requirement for higher level position. But I had to go through additional rounds of interview for the higher level position though. Both company from my previous and current employment are MNC.

Ask for straight 40%
Then says negotiable...
So in the end would bet around 30% +/-
😁

Icic, but with such high increment, I have a major concern. My current company policy is like this: HR will tie & fit their salary level with job title/position. Meaning when salary increment meet until certain level & the person must promoted to higher job position which lead to wider job scope (all lumpsum tasks given? I really hated paperworks)
I wonder majority of companies behave like tat? CAn normal staff (non-manager level) able to gain salary of 10k above?

This post has been edited by CuteSniper22: May 17 2022, 06:43 PM

No wonder you all are k/tards
First, getting high increment when you job hop is NOTHING to celebrate because it simply means that you were underpaid the whole time and therefore leaving money on the table. You are merely getting your market's worth.
2) Those of you who propose 20-30% hike when job hopping is, while can happen OCCASIONALLY, is unrealistic. Majority of the job hoppers in Malaysia get a few percent.
3) Those people who loudly and unashamedly reveal their pay in the internet are already high to begin with which they will use as an opportunity to humble brag. This creates sample bias.

haha...that why I worried that 30% increment really acceptable by recruiters or not. Even yes, the job scope will be very tough. High stress job?

This post has been edited by CuteSniper22: May 17 2022, 08:14 PM

20% - 50% increase is ok and normal. RM8k is not much these day.

There are factors of why the increments given are high, some of it are:
- High turn over rate, they need to maintain head count hence they would want to have a steady influx of people joining them filling the vacancy.
- High commitment for the work as you mentioned, usually it will cause high turn-over rate.
- Indeed, you are underpaid, so always check the market rate for the job you are applying for. I used multiple sources i searched online to get the idea.
- You are going vertical in the job grade ladder like a promotion, typically like from one job grade to another. In software company nowadays, Managers aren't necessarily higher level than like Staff/Principal Software Engineer or even as Software Architect. It is simply a different career path (one managerial, another as high rank Individual Contributor)
- Your previous company salary PIR (Pay in range) for the same job grade (like Senior Software Engineer, or SE III) are much lower than the other company's PIR. It largely depends on how strong financially the company is doing generally.
- Start-ups =/ I do notice start-ups offers really high salary jump to acquire talent, so in my opinion there are few things to check because it can be risky. One example the start up got large funding but yet to be profitable, and doing mass hiring. This means the cash-burn is really high. If operational cost outweigh the profit for a long time then you can anticipate company closure/retrench/etc.... It happened to a few of my friends before. On the bright side when you notice this is likely to happen, you have greater advantage to negotiate higher salary in a more stable company for a job hop.

Those are what I have in mind, of course there are more factors out there that you can do some research on

Mind to share your increment roughly?

I had more than +100% gross, when start / jump work to foreign employer when was about 26 YO.

good to know that i'm not alone.

BIG like to u. thanks for your comments.

haha... I think I'm too loyal to my current company. Why's your problem?

Assuming your employer has capacity to counter offer up to 30% of current salary, you should aim for at least 50%

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This post has been edited by mazai5100: Jun 29 2023, 11:19 PM

agreed.30 as a minimum..
You are mid 30s with only 8k

mine i think i'm enjoying the comfort zone. lol at myself

Those people who loudly and unashamedly reveal their pay in the internet are already high to begin with which they will use as an opportunity to humble brag. This creates sample bias.

- On this statement, I have never revealed my pay here but what I can say for certain is that many from MNC and GLC backgrounds go for min 20-30% hike. Especially when salary is below 30%. I have helped many friends, many of whom never used Lowyat forum before to secure 30% hike and not a measly 5% or 3% hike.

Those of you who propose 20-30% hike when job hopping is, while can happen OCCASIONALLY, is unrealistic. Majority of the job hoppers in Malaysia get a few percent.

- On this statement, maybe its true. But it is not OCCASSIONAL but very probable. This is from my experience in O&G and others in MNC environment.

Unless you are living in some small town with limited opportunities, then it is a different story.

Agree with you on 2 things:
1. Sample bias on Lowyat forum
2. getting high increment when you job hop is NOTHING to celebrate because it simply means that you were underpaid the whole time - Applicable most of the time.

This post has been edited by ZZMsia: May 18 2022, 03:18 PM

I too has been working for 11-12 years

salary growth

2019 - 62xx
2020 - 90xx (internal promotion)
2021 - 10xxx (job hop 1)
2022 - 11xxx (job hop 2, was asking just to match the previous pay due to not serving 1 full year in previous company, only to found out that the latest company actually can offer much more)

anyhow i can say i am no where a senior now, despite getting the manager lvl pay in other industries

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This post has been edited by mazai5100: Jun 29 2023, 11:19 PM

i would say yes and no

not everyone in IT can get 20k or even 15k per se

need to delve down the source of revenue of the company, does it offering services in USD/Euro market vs in local market? What industry is the company in? is it O&G, financial services, regulatory, media, or ecommerce?

all these factors determine the upper range they can offer for each position accordingly

my personal experience:

company that pays 9k - assuming the role of team lead / AM, carrying the expectations of a manager KPI in front of boss
company that pays 11k - merely a middle lvl engineer, much lesser responsibilities on shoulder


its the cold harsh fact that many MNCs somewhat disrupt the local IT SMEs pay range, smaller local companies has no choice but to turn into more vendors for their IT outsourcing

For me, 12 years as software developer work with salary < 8k is on the lower half.

Should you change job now? YES. Actually you should change back then during MCO 2020. But now is great time too.

Salary increment 20% is normal. I'd go for 30% and negotiate from there. But sometime percentage is just a number, if you're happy with the offer, you should take it.

Me too. I'm only focus on development only, quite easy for me. NOT involved in those lumpsum jobs such as full cycle of SDLC or any other non-related paperworks.

I'm quite interested on your job scope since your salary so high. Involved in Full SDLC cycle? Tough & Stress?

This post has been edited by CuteSniper22: May 18 2022, 06:18 PM

hmm... seem like quite complicated. Many factors impact the salary increment.

This post has been edited by CuteSniper22: May 18 2022, 06:15 PM

I had a 63.63% salary increment after jumping ships

Sounds like you joined one of the FAANG companies

nice one.

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This post has been edited by mazai5100: Jun 29 2023, 11:19 PM

tak nak kalah semua haha

Min 30% please. Dont spoil the job market.

I have been working in 5 companies already throughout my 7 years of working.

My increment ranges from 25% to 50%.

ain’t that be a cap in everything?

if not one can easily hit /k/ standard salary while just being a senior exec

Depends on company. And your nego skill.

For example, if you are from chinaman company with 3k basic and 5 years experience. Suddenly join petronas, you can get around 6k to 7k according to their standard scale.

Thats more than 50% no?

Yes it is highly dependent on the company and situation.

I know a guy who went from about RM9k per month as a manager at a chinaman company and getting RM14k at a multinational as a team lead, didn't even have to nego much because the multinational standard range was like that.

Maybe /k/ standard salary needs to be revised post covid /s

But in my case, the problem is 30% increment already lead to 10k above. With such high salary already meet the manager/team lead standard? isnt it? Someone still able to retain their same job title/workload with such high salary?

Possible. I know many of my peers just an executive/senior exec and not manager/lead. They earn 10k - 15k range.

In this age where even freshie can get around 4k/5k, 10k is not a lot to ask for.

its the value you create which define your salary. As mentioned, Chinaman company manager job will focus more on lower value item than MNC.

Its time for Malaysia to move away from low value job and become direct competition with Singapore.

In some companies, definitely the 3-4 multinationals I've worked at before, and even the local company I'm in now, they'll have two tracks ie. people management and individual contributor. Salary range for both are the same, the only difference being whether or not you have people reporting to you. In the hierarchy:

- team load = specialists
- manager = advisor
- senior manager = senior advisor

I've had specialists being paid RM18-25k. Good to ask if a company practices this when you're interviewing.

my case is 11k - middle level engineer, above me still got Sr engineer, then only team lead; above team lead is head of infra something already. So total only 5 ranks, from very bottom to very top.

btw the team lead has been on this role for more than 10 years

so i can deduce over here, they don't abuse the titles as much as other places, they don't simply give glamor titles,

Some company know how important advance technical personnel are and appreciate them, I'm SSE with the salary range of team lead/manager, or even HOD level if compare to my previous company.

And title is pretty misleading sometimes, at my previous company tech lead is just like SSE with heavier code monkey workload, and in my current company SSE need to provide architecture solution. But current working environment is much friendlier in term of workload with higher pay as they follow proper sprint and given enough time for development.

This post has been edited by ragk: May 23 2022, 02:38 PM

My job hopping salary
Working as SAP ABAP
2021: 2k (GLC)
2022: 3.5k (MNC)
2023: 6k (MNC)

The question is "how"?

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My job hopping salary/income - Digital Marketing
2018 - RM3800 (On-site)
2020 - Jobless
May 2021 - RM3200 (Hybrid, project basis)
August 2021 - RM4200 (Hybrid, headhunted by competitor)
November 2021 - RM6500 (Remote)
June 2022 - USD2500 (Remote, company ran into financial issues)
August 2022 - USD3000 (Remote)

This post has been edited by valerie.wen: Aug 10 2023, 11:27 AM

same way as how Singapore flash their low tech factory to Msia

same way as how Singapore flash their low tech factory to Msia. But Infineon kulim fab is a good start for Msia

This post has been edited by soules83: Aug 10 2023, 08:32 PM

i've hopped a couple of companies, and always ask for 30%.
result is one of 2 scenarios -
1. i got 30% (happen once only)
2. from 30%, nego to 20+% (more realistic).

so just go for 30% and nego from there.

Hyee, want to ask noob question, when u guys mention about salary, the amount already deduct tax, epf etc or not? The amount already include allowance or not?

This post has been edited by ambsviii: Mar 22 2024, 08:14 AM

Gross salary - before deduction of any epf, socso, pcb etc.
Nett salary - after compulsory deductions, your "take home" pay.

In salary column its always based on Gross Salary negotiation.

Whether to mention allowance, it depends on the allowance you're getting is based on a fixed monthly allowance (subject to income tax deduction) or monthly allowance like Phone, Parking etc which some companies require receipt to claim.

はぁ？ちょっと待ってください。それは違うよ。

30% is viable, as many have shared earlier
myself 6100 to 8k

Please use English ya, this is the J&C section.
I'm not sure, that's how I've always filled in for job interviews and the same way it has been negotiated for the staffs hiring that I do.

So if I'm wrong, how else do you (or everyone else) input salary then?

I would like to know more about the remote IT job. Mind to share where do you find those jobs?