I dont want to bring in race in this topic but from the general comments I received, Indians are notorious for having bad renting habits

Please help ur community by becoming better tenants, or else people will shun renting to your community

I rented my unit to a family for 12 years and they can afford to buy new house now.

They damaged my fixtures, and with rm480 tnb bill unpaid (ok i have deposit) and keep delaying the date of moving out. Promising that his cousin will continue renting but disappeared as well

Now both husband n wife shut off their hp and have not returned the keys

Sekian my ranting


What is your worst experience?

This post has been edited by amboi_asamboi: May 8 2022, 03:50 PM

serious /k going downhill

Revenue loss more than few hubdred k due to covid, tenant pay half only

That's y ppl don't rent to certain race yet they make a big fuss..

Cannot mention race, but i think same race with urs.

Always Late pay rent, some times pay abit abit 200, 300, sometimes drag few weeks. Utility semua late , house wall abit dirty, lucky not big damage.. lots of excuses

okla, refuse to cabut more hell

12 years and you expect no damages?

Demand for installment on rental. zz

There is a difference between “wear & tear” vs damage

At least didn't turn your house into junkyard with dead cats

Please elaborate.

to be fair it goes both ways. student time unker rent tiny furnished room with table chair n single bedframe in room. chair no gooding to sit n not ergonomic with table like kids chair. so unker move out exchange with dining table chair. the place got 3 other rooms oso rented out. before move in no problem.

wan move out landlord rep come inspect like doing stock take. check this check that check furniture. see kids chair not there straight call owner liport say wan rm 100. got other 2 rooms locked dunwan open to check. at that moment unker knew he kena scam. matada the way she check almost at if all planned out, put on show to extort cash from unker for missing chair.

unker even help clean up room nide tidy, yet they do this. but cannot argue becos there is no TA for student renting n they hold deposit. so end up unker kena scam rm100. so it go both ways.

I have only experience as a tenant/housemate. But i agree housemate with the group TS mention is seriously a headache.

One of my previous tenant did the same to me, rented out to him for 5 years without rentle increase. Default rentle for 7 months, outstanding tnb , water and indah water bill about 1.6k. Initially said his food cooking business cant operate during mco and asked for delay 3 months rental payments. After that quietly shifted back to hometown and shut off handphone.

This post has been edited by utellme_6376: May 8 2022, 04:53 PM

All i know is the tale is true... muka meroboh rumah

should follow South korea/Taiwan/ north east asia rental system. pay upfront one year rent.

A lot of people will be homeless.

And u sendiri got pay rent meh?

This post has been edited by JohnL77: May 8 2022, 05:08 PM

Rented out for 12 years no issue?

This is obviously due to covid la.. Come on.. He rented for 5 years no issue..i don't see a big problem

Got other issues but as long as it was solved, I didnt want to pursue.

1) they rented an extra parking lot, and didnt pay. Management called me for help to tell them nicely to pay or to vacate. I spoke to them, they paid and vacated the lot since they cant afford extra car and extra parking. So it wasnt really a problem with me.

2) they delay rental for a few months saying that their other tenant paying them late (they have a house that they rent to other tenant in another state). I said thats not my problem i need u to pay promptly before 3rd and show me the bank in receipt. They obliged and case closed

3) damaged the pipe and i asked them to settle themselves

4) damaged my cooking stove and asked my help. I helped to go replace, coz they had to cook for family gathering. By right they should buy n replace (the whole glass top shattered)

Not that i want to berkira but dont buat taik la

Now i wanna sell and get potential buyer to view the unit, everything messy.

The management told me their prayer altar also just left there.

Sorry to hear that

That’s it? They sound reasonable

Maybe show some photos so we can if really tenant from hell as you claim

This post has been edited by Lembu Goreng: May 8 2022, 06:08 PM

Owe rental 6 months and TNB owing 10k
Another shop owe rental 8 months and owe TNB 7k

Now blanket ban specific “profile”
Rather keep empty

Even if their own house they will also trash the whole neighborhood

To b fair for 12 years u should take 1 month every year to maintain. Or gv discount

That particular race they offer to pay twice also not worth the headache 🤭 take this as a lesson for all

Had my fair share of nightmare tenants. 2 stands out the most to me

1. The Hidden Tenant
An Indian lady was introduced via an agent who said she would be staying there with her kid and another of her female friends. She sounded trustable and I decided to let her rent my unit after agreeing on the monthly fees.

After a few months, I noticed the electricity bill was not being paid. I messaged her and it was always later and later, so I decided to drop by the unit to speak to her.

When I knocked on my unit's door - I could hear a bunch of men speaking. Nigerian men.

I asked them if they knew my tenant and they said they did not know who she was. I told them that I am the owner of the unit and I do not know who they are.

I confronted my tenant, and she mentioned it was her boyfriend.
Lies, after lies after lies - they randomly moved out leaving me with a heavy water and electricity bill. Hacking to the wall to install Air Conditioning - leaving a gapping hole in my walls.

The lady rented my unit to rent out the a bunch of Nigerian men at a higher price.

2. The Unit is Haunted
Met a Malay couple who just graduated - seems trustworth. Wife is a school teacher nearby, man was looking for a job. To start with they could not make the full deposit and promised to clear it off within 3 months.

They never cleared off the deposit.

They stayed for over 8 months and during that time they missed a number of payments but I allowed it thinking they are just fresh graduates who are trying to build up their career.

Soon electricity bills were not paid, water bills were not paid... and then...

One night, I received a Whatsapp message saying that my unit is haunted by a girl who hanged herself on the hall's ceiling fan. They claim that they brought an ustaz and checked, and they said the place made them always argue and demotivated.

No such nonsense has ever happened in my unit.

After talking to them, I agreed for them to leave within 2 weeks and for them to settle all the outstanding balances.

2 weeks came, and they blocked my number and refused to pick up my calls. Balances were not paid, outstanding bills were not paid... they just vanished.

Keys were left in the unit with the doors unlocked.

Furnitures were stolen, only fixed furnitures were left.

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After all these experiences, I've decided to sell of the unit. Less to worry about.

TS not hold 2 month deposit meh ?

When it comes to toxic tenants, it boils down to:
1. Uneducated fools
2. Community values
3. Family values (mum, dad may be beggars/gangsters)

It's already warning signs.

If I were you, I will already tell them that I decided to sell the house and request them to move out once contract ended.

not tenants, my housemate, baling teh tarik dalam plastic dekat dinding.

build sampah landfill dalam bilik.

South Korea rental system is not same, I managed to speak to a S.Korea tour guide many years ago. According to the S.Korea tour guide, their rental system , they need to pay up front 12 or 24 months but this money , the owner must return these 12 or 24 months upfront money to the Tenant not a single sen less upon the end of the tenancy tenure. The owner can only use the money for their investment purpose/rolling with interest free from the tenant.

Never really rented to an Indian before. .

But I've rented to both Chinese and Malay.

Chinese one first few months paid on time. 4th month onwards never pay a single cent until went up to my unit and knocked the door. Found out that scum sub rent it to PRC. Dragged for 3 months didn't pay rent I straightaway changed all padlocks and door knob. That fucker returned and changed all the padlocks. Fucking scum of earth.

Malay one dragged 3 months straightaway MIA. Even left her rented Courts Mammoth furniture there.

Every race has their own fucked up ness. But some certain community indeed fucked up a lot. That's why the market react to it.

Looks like you got off easy

I've heard worse things happen when people move out.

Totally agree on your message about being better renters else risking community being shunned

Yup, based on Ts's experience. Only indians does that. Am i right ? If own race, dont mention 🙃🙃🙃🙃

In my humble opinion, all race does this. Dont microscopic ur issue based on one experience.

This post has been edited by bananajoe: May 8 2022, 10:27 PM

Destroyed my parquets floor when they moved out. Their deposit can't even cover the repairs.

But i have another Indian tenant ok, previous tenant also.

This post has been edited by c64: May 8 2022, 10:43 PM

12 year rent and only left with 480 bills which can be covered by deposit...hell 404

Waaaa. How did u recover the missed so many months rental?

next time use those insurance company like speedrent or instahome

Renting out is really a lottery game these days.

can elaborate plox? as in the things that they did

This post has been edited by butterkijen: May 8 2022, 11:15 PM

i used to have a very noisy and annoying neighbour (tenant next door) and luckily they had moved out. Their son would throw rubbish into my porch. They are so noisy like as if it's a market. Even another nearby neighbour (like ten doors away) said my neigbhour is the noisiest in the neighbourhood.

And another annoying and noisy neighbour two doors away. Same group as well.

Because of this experience, when i was booking for a new unit in a new residential area, i had to ask the developer who had booked the next unit to mine.

I'm already scared of a certain group.

Oh yes, forgot to mention that the landlord neighbour said the tenant left certain fixtures spoilt before they left. hohoho.

Choose your tenant carefully.

At one point, i stayed with 3 people from that group: 1 is employed, other 2 are students.

The working one is fine (stayed master room, has her own toilet). Others including me are using shared toilet.

Things these students did:
- never bothered to clean toilet or mop kitchen
- use fan at living room rarely turn off after usage
- their trash sometimes didn't take out until got maggots. I separate my trash bin, so i know it's not mine.
- 1 of them delayed rent payment multiple time, until the landlord stopped her tenancy
- the same person above got drama bringing her bf in and gaduh.
- the same person above sometimes pasang the incense in her room. The smell is so strong, i cannot tahan.
- using my slippers without permission and went out somewhere at least twice. This one got me pissed. I hate people using my stuff.

This post has been edited by hirano: May 9 2022, 02:29 AM

Foreigners especially from working class, make very good tenants. Prompt payment, high integrity, loyalty and honesty. Personally I don't mind renting out to them for slightly below market rate.

no indian wanan masuk and defend their race?

I'm sure my tenants considered pretty tame, but here are my experiences:
1. woken up at AM time by tenant's loud moaning when she brought her BF over. Happened few times. Once was thumping of bathroom door + moaning, plus entire time water running for nearly 1 hour.
2. another tenant more recently, boh-song because I told her to self-quarantine somewhere else for 7 days after she kena close contact. Some people might say I am an asshole, but I did it to protect my elderly father and unvacced baby. But I did credit her back 1/2 month rent for the hassle.

I have bad experience with landlord as well.

Paid rent every month, but landlord default condo maintenance fee. End up my parking card is blocked and one time tnb cut off power supply.

I threatened landlord that i will use my rent to pay the maintenance fees and tnb and wont pay to the landlord.

My landlord paid up everything the next week.

Stigma comes up when there are too many cases originating from the same source. Anyone would know saying only 1 race commiting it would not makes sense. Bad people come from all races. But when they are famous for it, there's a reason behind it.

Same thing with rempits.

I'm pretty sure you are involved in efforts to make your society better, moving forward, so thumbs up for that.

strip copper cable out then moving out....

U use phone wear and tear means got scuff and scratches. Damage is you drop the phone and screen pecah

What about electrical items?

Aircond or TV stops working considered wear and tear or damage? Most TA don't describe this well.

like this i dunno what to rent out my unit or not, recently got my key
so headache

Never clean toilet is a turn off.

tbh, if you plan to rent out your unit, first impression is quite important, you will get to know much or less how/what is that person are.

My advice to you is, follow the advice from the majority of the owners.

Were you not the one paying the tnb bills? How come they can cut?

Ayam wont rent to yindian & african, no matter how much they pay
Yeah, call me racist i dont give a damn

And I can assure you even yindian landlord would not prefer to rent to their own kind

Covid or not, should openly discuss, maybe can understand. My tenant discuss with me, asking for discount saying biz affected by covid, but when I do secret visit, biz is full and he just changed to new Alphard. I visit a few more times randomly, and each time also biz full of people.

So in the end I say NO

My worst case - a group of Chinese females, less educated type & blue collar workers. The rents always overdue by 1 to 3 days during the entire tenure.

Every month required frequent reminders. Once they occupied the unit, my neighbor downstair text me direct to complain about ppl stomping legs & pulling chair late at night & causes the nuisance, got cigarette butts being throwed to the balcony & ended in my neighbor unit. I'm in good term with my neighbor downstair & on/off we got text each other if there were trouble arises within the neighborhood. Due to the nuisance created, I called up my agent & extended the complaints I received, asking my agent if the group can be removed & I'll return their 2.5 months deposit.

My agent called them to investigate, the tenant denied all the allegations. The tenants even called me after that & refused to admit. My neighbor downstair text me back, after I complained, thereafter magically all the legs stomping, chair pulling , cigarette butts disappear by itself.

On the 3rd month, the kitchen sink get choked. The tenant called up to complaint & talked in a tune like "customer always right" & asked me for compensation in term of rental rebate for not being to use the sink in cocky style. I did not promise anything to them immediately knowing that the argument without proof will lead to no conclusion. I told them my plumber will come to do the checking & fixing first. I reached out to my regular plumber, the plumber went to the unit immediately next day on my request. Upon checking, the plumber extended to me the reason of the sink being choked. All the food waste was washed down to the sink without the strainer, the oil waste also was poured down, I received all the photos evidences. Of course the tenants will argue it was not them. Before I contact them again, I called my agent again to clarify the clauses within the T.A. Found the clause within T.A that tenant have grace period of 1 week after moving in to make formal compliant to the owner for the rectification on any defects found. After the grace period over, the defect/damages are on tenant. I get my agent to call the tenant first before I call them. The repair cost was back charge to the tenant (deduction to the rental deposit).

This group was the only group of tenant being served almost 4~5 times notice of breached of T.A continuously on the late payments. At almost the end of tenure, when 2 months of notice on unit repossession (hope they move out quickly), the tenant stated not willing to continue. By surprise, on the last month , the tenant called if can extend another 2 weeks of stay & ask me to pro-rate the rental. I disagreed on the pro-rated rental, either they move out or take 1 month straight because the 1/2 month will be a total loss to the owner.

During the unit repossession process, multiple damages to the furniture, light bulbs blown not replace, door locked vandalized, sink strainer went missing, sliding door lock damaged, dining table's chair became shaky, TV also spoiled. When showing them the facts of finding, I was given the argument/ baseless defense without the proof. All the damages were there when they moved in. I responded, they have so many chances to notify me on the damages & yet the remained silent. If they reported it during the grace period of 1 week, all the damages cost will be on owner. If no record on such reporting, the damages cost will be on the tenants. After that, the tenant making up the story by claiming that they complained to my agent before. I said show me the Whatsapp proof on the record transpired between them & agent, I will honor the recording & won't penalize them if they can show. They became silent. I called the agent on the loudspeaker on the spot, the agent said didn't receive any complaint or else they will have forwarded the complaints to me.

Luckily I have not encounter any worse than that batch. The tenant's background is important, when handing over the keys, meet them in person & talk to them to know their characters. Sometime the agent's assessment on the character may not be accurate.

“Reasonable” because they still want to stay there

Or else they need to move out, and no point going against the management. They rented the parking, couldnt pay, and the rental piled up. They have to solve it anyway.

Now when they dont need the house they just leave it in a mess, broken fittings, etc

I rented to Chinese and blue collar foreign workers before this. No issues.

I dont need to puji them like Najib said harga kangkung turun kenapa tak puji kerajaan

I rented to this family without considering race or skin colour despite many people advising me against it.

All I asked is to for tenants to do their part. Dont perpetuate the social stigma, I am willing to rent out regardless of race, but if it causes problems, then I wouldnt want to rent again.

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Correct, thats being reasonable. And responsible too I might add

Some tenants don’t give a shit and still wanna continue to live there

I dont need to pay tnb bills under my contract. Tnb bills is still under landlord name.

Of course they can cut if my landlord didnt pay the bills.

The solution is simple, if you are so scared, charge a high deposit and perform proper background checks before renting out. Do regular inspections. By this method you can weed out the potential trouble makers, regardless of race.

I'm of the said race, and i paid up a fair bit of rental deposit for my rental condo, closer to 5 figures. Plus i was required to show proof of employment for my "reputable company/profession" before i was even given the keys.

Fast forward, 3 years down the road, i've been paying my rent always before the due date. My landlord has been so kind to replace/repair broken appliances, install new water heater and even dropped me medicines and supplements when we kena covid/quarantined. And we even invited him for a nice indian lunch at our home.

I've stayed with all races and even immigrants, and im sad to say the best housemates were the immigrants (pakistani/bangladeshi/philipino). I have my fair share of horror stories with other races. i can share them if you want to know.

I'm doing my fair bit to try and change that social stigma of my race. But please dont paint a picture that all are bad. I agree there are higher chances of getting bad tenants from certain race, but really its not the race, but rather the upbringing and etiquette.

This post has been edited by juvaan: May 9 2022, 02:18 PM

My worse is tenant delay rental je, plan to curi curi move out, everytime give many excuses, so I did house inspection, everytime no ppl, checkmate em secure the unit when really no ppl in the house
Guai guai go find his mother for $$$ pay rental etcs then only I allowed move out everything
Race: Malay worse experience so far

Next tenant, Malay also so far so good 👍

Best tenant I got so far is Indian, rental always on time but no idea why he rent my place....coz I monitor utilities like hardly ppl in the house

So cannot really simply single out race as bad tenants, but can always mitigate risks the usual, regular monitor and unit inspection

Sekian rant

already rent 12 years, tak apa lah. Rental also earn back.
If every 2 years change tenant you lagi susah.

I see. No wonder.

I was wondering why it kena cut if you paid on time even if tnb account was under LL's name.

My rant:

Same race as mentioned my TS. TBH I'm a bit skeptical to rent my unit to them, but since he shows me his business card and company access ID to show that he is working, so I decided to give it a try. He have a degree from private U in IT, and working as IT Consultant.

1. First week, my neighbour complain they keep blasting music every night up to 3am. When my neighbour confronted them, they apologized, but repeat it everyday, up to one point, they just don't answer the door anymore.
2. Keep on bringing their friends over for party and drinking session, most of the time end up in fight. smashing bottle against the wall, screaming and fighting. same story every weekend.
3. Sometime lepak at the corridor and being a nuisance. Management issued fine to me instead because apparently its still my unit
4. Their guess parked at other people punya parking lot. When the guard clamp their car, they put up a fight. Bringing the whole family like thugs to the management building to make them open the clamp (the fine is actually only RM150 ffs)
5. Making loud noises with their cars (blasting music, noisy exhaust)
6. They keep dog in the unit, and sometime let the dog out by itself. The dog pee and poo and corridor. At one point, they just let it loose until someone else adopt it.
6. Again, excessive drinking, loud music, fighting.
7. Delay on rental. keep giving excuses like salary not yet in, bank problem, but got money to drink every night.

After 4 months, decided to kick them out. Luckily for me the house is in acceptable condition except for the toilet and kitchen (they never wash the toilet for 4 months, the kitchen sink tersumbat). Every room door got holes in it (i assume to due the fghting). Forfeited their deposit to repair the damaged door and to pay the cleaner, then gave them back the balance.

My next tenants are a mix of one malay guy, one chinese girl and one Singh girl. Best tenant so far, pay on time, mix well with neighbours, no complain so far.

i got 2 experience

rented a shoplot to an "myeg operator".
rental delayed for more than 6 months..tnb tertunggak 4k...
when i call him for rental, keep on say got ppl die. clerk, uncle, father mother semua die

another tenant, renting house, super demanding...wan this wan that.
wan u to paint the house again, want u to change all the piping when its a new house

Understand your potential tenants.

Get their profile, be it Facebook, Instagram or even better if one has LinkedIn, that means that person most likely is a professional in the career. Get to know what they do for a living is one of the most vital point. Try to understand a little bit of their background like how long they've been here, what have they been doing for the past years. Not easy to get so much information, but at least try to get some. Then you'll have clearer picture of the person.

Forget about race, after meeting a few messed up fellas from various race. Now I'm more focused into their lifestyle and their career.

I rent a HDB room here as a tenant in SG.
Everything works for the most part except wall clock batt dead and ceiling fan remote battery dead.

New $1000 mattress
New ikea PAX wardrobe
Office table
Office chair
Half height deep bookshelf
Newly painted walls
Nice 2x2 porcelain tiles

Free usage of Bosch washing machine, no restriction. Just weather dependent as it rains like light drizzles.. landlord say can use internal hanging racks if needed..yay! If hot day learning how to use the broomsticks to hang clothes was a fun experience.. other than the fact all the lingerie is in public display

Environment wise so nice, nothing much to complain about except ded batteries, I wouldn't even think of trashing the place FWIW batteries are insanely expensive here, dunno why..need to order from amazon for cheap ones..or go ikea for rechargeables

Other than no cooking ban except non polluting e.g. instant noods or soup based things, and no visitors, all in all no regret la.
Idk why some tenants want to trash the place, its not that ppl force u to rent.

This post has been edited by ceo684: May 10 2022, 12:57 AM

I remembered suiteng’s tenant from hell story.

Kudos

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