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post May 9 2023, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(autodriver @ May 8 2023, 10:04 AM)
Miti is expecting 4000 charging points this year. Imaging 5 years time it will be at least over 20k charging points or maybe even surpass 30k points. This is for public and not include private charging point for household. I predict most if not all petrol stations will ready with charging port in future.
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Here is an additional thought for you....

https://wattlogic.com/blog/ev-charging-station-franchise/

Instead of petrol station franchise....

Presenting EV charging franchise
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post May 9 2023, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(autodriver @ May 8 2023, 10:36 AM)
Many people keep complaining 400km range is too low should have at least 500km or even 700km range. I guess this might achievable in future. But for now 400km WLTP is reasonable. How many people really travel 150km per day, probably less than 10%.

Some concern KL bad traffic and cause more energy loss if driving EV. The concept of EV is almost upside down compare to ICE. EV give more range in city traffic and less range in highway cruise. In bad traffic the energy loss more in ICE and EV is less. ICE in bad traffic the engine is keep running to pull the fans belt to provide electricity to power electronic and also aircond.

2.0L idle for 1 hour is about 0.16 gallon (0.6L) without aircond. Assuming with aircond is 0.20 gallon per hour or 0.75L, it will be RM1.54 per hour stuck in traffic.

https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/fact-8...diesel-vehicles

While in EV the most consuming energy is aircond during idle or bad traffic. Imagine household non-inverted 1hp aircond is almost 1kwh, but car cabin is much smaller. Even if include all electronic stuffs and makes it at 1kwh during idle or bad traffic, it is only RM 0.571 per hour. So driving in City and bad traffic the EV is much saver than petrol even though Malaysia petrol is cheap.
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Yet many perceived hurdles will remain hurdles perceived.

To draw a parallel, many home dwellers has installed solar panel on their roof tops, and ended up paying much lesser bill (in some cases even zero bill) but many others on the other hand are still seceptical , saying it is upfront cost intensive, solar system will be less efficient in harvesting overtime, wait for technology to be more efficient first lah blah blah blah.

Not knowing or being sceptical about the incentives and such financing scheme offered even by TNB subsidiary company and not taking advantage of it. Wait and wait and wait.

Meanwhile complain about this and that, e.g. why only the rich get richer, complain about why electricity bill has gone up (after smart meters replacement rolled out) , complain about all these EVs are fancy flashy things only meant for the privileged yada yada yada.

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post May 9 2023, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ May 9 2023, 08:08 AM)
The ball on subsidy targeted removal or reduction  is already rolling...

https://www.carlist.my/news/targeted-fuel-s...ed-94079/94079/

I am in Energy Business so I should know.

But government of the day introduce carrot and stick so you will just need to find the carrots since it is year of rabbit.

Before the stick hit you... HARD.

A lot of big businesses already got hit  by the big stick some January this year.

Below is just some of the affected industries

https://themalaysianreserve.com/2022/12/20/...riff-surcharge/

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/node/649490

https://www.thesundaily.my/business/misif-a...sion-EL10397074
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2022...-business-group
Also the increase in income tax rate for  T20 group [by 0.5 to two percentage points for the income tax bracket of RM100,000 to RM1 million for about 150,000 Malaysian folks] is a taletell sign for more to come.
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/node/656686
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most links are from 2022 and it did not happen due to Gomen continue to give electric subsidies. https://www.thesundaily.my/local/electricit...2023-KE10729993

then to cut off fuel subsidy, doubt they even got the ball to do it, considering the PRN this year and not so fundamentally strong PMX gomen (a mix up combination). They had numerous Sunday meeting to discuss the petrol subsidy but as usual PMX dont have ball to pull it out.

I personally prefer Gomen don't spend more on subsidy for petrol, its kinda waste for gomen fund, in the North border, thousand of Thai registered cars put our 95. I did take pictures and report online + email to KPDNKK, as usual, but no action. If the Petrol price is less subsidy, sure plenty more will convert to riding public transport for work
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post May 9 2023, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ May 9 2023, 11:45 AM)
most links are from 2022 and it did not happen due to Gomen continue to give electric subsidies. https://www.thesundaily.my/local/electricit...2023-KE10729993

then to cut off fuel subsidy, doubt they even got the ball to do it, considering the PRN this year and not so fundamentally strong PMX gomen (a mix up combination). They had numerous Sunday meeting to discuss the petrol subsidy but as usual PMX dont have ball to pull it out.

I personally prefer Gomen don't spend more on subsidy for petrol, its kinda waste for gomen fund, in the North border, thousand of Thai registered cars put our 95. I did take pictures and report online + email to KPDNKK, as usual, but no action. If the Petrol price is less subsidy, sure  plenty more will convert to riding public transport for work
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The links yes are 2022 but it already commences 2023 as for as electricity is concerned

Subsidy remains only for domestic and low voltage users + agricultural , but the rest have experienced massive hike.

In case you have not noticed , your water bills have experienced hike too.

Petrol and diesel Ron 95 is a bit more delicate matters since abang grab , food panda etc all depends on cheap fuel. The deferment is actually not a matter of balls but a matter of how, like you say, how to curb the leakages.

If you give out a subsidy card, most subsidy recipients will probably sell it or rent it out. Remember subsidized diesels for Fisher man in Malaysia...

How to control? By NRIC? By LHDN data (many income underreporting and no reporting), by petrol station control ? (Can't even control foreign owned cars effectively )

I too think it is counter productive. Perhaps the solution is to incentivise even more on low cost EV, motorbikes? Incentivise company who chooses to use commercial EV more (ask DHL, they have done it)....

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: May 9 2023, 03:21 PM
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post May 9 2023, 04:12 PM

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Charging points are the easy part. The harder part will be making our power grid support the load.

Even Singapore – small country, world-class city planning, lots of money, highly qualified politicians – has problems now where their fast chargers have to downclock to slow charging speeds during peak periods. The issue has become a running joke among EV community social media over there.

Imagine here, during festive season on NS highway. Look at the number of cars lining up at the petrol stations. Even if you divide that number by 4 and ensure enough charging points. If all those charging points used at the same time and fast charging, almost guaranteed nationwide blackout. Charging infra is more than simply building charging stations.

That’s why I think the recent Perodua estimate of 2030 is fairly realistic. If you buy a car now, make it a hybrid and plan to keep it for 5-6 yrs, and then look at the market again.

Removal of fuel subsidy won’t happen anytime soon. Government won’t dare. They remove fuel subsidy, it won’t just be your pump minyak price increase. Everything will become more expensive. Food, medication, services, etc. Political suicide for any government in power in this country. They must improve economy gradually and remove subsidy at the same rate, like 5% each time. Remove 20% in one go and confirm people riot.

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post May 10 2023, 08:41 AM

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https://themalaysianreserve.com/2023/05/08/...ecast-for-fy24/
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Monday, May 8th, 2023 at Markets | News | Wheels

Affin Hwang Investment Bank Bhd (AHIB) has released a report today, it said Bermaz’s FY23E earnings is expected to be at record levels on strong sales volume driven during the tax exemption period.

In the report, AHIB said it was positive on Bermaz’s strategy to tie up with a pure China electric vehicle (EV) player as their main EV line-up.

“Driven by a wide price range of China EV models, we think there is scope for [Bermaz Auto] to bring in affordable EV models that can cater to the low to mid-income group and more importantly become a volume driver for their EV segment.

“Besides, [Bermaz Auto] has introduced solid initiatives to strengthen their EV transition with investment worth RM3m, to date. Understandably, Mazda’s EV footprint is small while its roadmap is slow, which could adversely impact [Bermaz Auto]’s prospects as Mazda sales still accounts for 90% of revenue,” it said.

The report noted that after Bermaz Auto CEO visited an EV conference in China, he was keenly aware of the rapid EV growth in China with plenty of homegrown EV brands that have emerged and overtaken foreign players in EV sales volume for 2022 by more than 100% yoy growth.

“Currently, Bauto is engaging with several China EV players for EV distribution rights in Malaysia. We understand that Bauto has interest in bringing in a pure EV player like Xpeng, Dongfeng or Geely as their main EV line-up. Any successful tie up with the larger Chinese EV players would be a plus,” it said....


What say you now, the perpetual sceptic and reality denial propagators?
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post May 10 2023, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(dev/numb @ May 9 2023, 04:12 PM)
Charging points are the easy part. The harder part will be making our power grid support the load.

Even Singapore – small country, world-class city planning, lots of money, highly qualified politicians – has problems now where their fast chargers have to downclock to slow charging speeds during peak periods. The issue has become a running joke among EV community social media over there.

Imagine here, during festive season on NS highway. Look at the number of cars lining up at the petrol stations. Even if you divide that number by 4 and ensure enough charging points. If all those charging points used at the same time and fast charging, almost guaranteed nationwide blackout. Charging infra is more than simply building charging stations.

That’s why I think the recent Perodua estimate of 2030 is fairly realistic. If you buy a car now, make it a hybrid and plan to keep it for 5-6 yrs, and then look at the market again.

Removal of fuel subsidy won’t happen anytime soon. Government won’t dare. They remove fuel subsidy, it won’t just be your pump minyak price increase. Everything will become more expensive. Food, medication, services, etc. Political suicide for any government in power in this country. They must improve economy gradually and remove subsidy at the same rate, like 5% each time. Remove 20% in one go and confirm people riot.
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My question to you sir:

1. What makes you think our power grid cannot support the load?
Singapore is energy importer, Malaysia is actually exporter of energy

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/node/666169

2. Charging stations and EV growth will grow in tandem, got chicken got egg, simple logic , what makes you think there could be shortage of EV chargers issues?

You grow too fast chargers, you will know what will happen?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/202...or-public-plugs

3. Toyota ex chairman has been wrong with EV predictions until recent new CEO have admitted they have underestimated EV popularity, what makes you think Perodua is a better predictor of future.

I recall last year January 2022 Perodua is expecting only 5% of new cars sold in 2030 to be full EVs.

https://www.wapcar.my/news/ev-sales-in-mala...-analysts-59751

Many expected 2023 will have new EV below 4,500 as per above report
But if you do the simple math, in Malaysia BYD aims to get 3000 EV on the road with 1000 already achieved and booked, and my question to you is who is right, and who is wrong? You trust a guy that have no EV selling or trust a guy who has been selling EV in this sort of EV sales number prediction?


https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/sime...c-vehicle-sales

4. Why do you have extremist mindset? Who the hell is talking about complete removal of subsidy , we are talking about targetted subsidy reduction or removal and if you are still sceptical, here is another prediction for you.

https://themalaysianreserve.com/2023/04/12/...-early-as-june/

Haven't you noticed the consistent theme ? Big corporations and rich fellow is being targetted and the damn thing is IT HAS already happened

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post May 10 2023, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ May 9 2023, 10:45 AM)
Yet many perceived hurdles will remain hurdles perceived.

To draw a parallel, many home dwellers has installed solar panel on their roof tops, and ended up paying much lesser bill (in some cases even zero bill) but many others on the other hand are still seceptical , saying it is upfront cost intensive, solar system will be less efficient in harvesting overtime, wait for technology to be more efficient first lah blah blah blah.

Not knowing or being sceptical about the incentives and such financing scheme offered even by TNB subsidiary company and not taking advantage of it. Wait and wait and wait.

Meanwhile complain about this and that, e.g. why only the rich get richer,  complain about why electricity bill has gone up (after smart meters replacement rolled out) , complain about all these EVs are fancy flashy things only meant for the privileged yada yada yada.
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The majority mindset is only seeing problem and enlarge it instead of taking it as an opportunity. In Malaysia still many landed house which are extremely suitable to install solar panel. Some will say Malaysia although got hot days but also many raining days. There are getting more and more residents in European and US are installing solar panel and these countries are 4 seasons which has few sunny days like Malaysia. So if these 4 season countries getting more solar panel why not Malaysia. Installing solar panel in Malaysia can apply subsidy from TNB. Basically we only need to pay low electricity bill for household plus charging for EV car.

No doubt many people wanted a range of 600km per charge but in reality how many of us really go pump petrol after travel of 500km. I strongly believe less than 10% people really need travel 500km in short time (1 or 2 days driving range). If in city or town drive 1 day travel most likely 100km or below and 1 full charge will at least last 3 days (min 60kwh battery size). If battery drop half after 2 days just charge it at night. Example like Telsa charge cycley is 1500 times. Even if we charge every 2 days the battery expect to last for 8 years. How many of us really charge every 2 days once? We are most likely need charge after 3 or 4 days usage for daily town drive.
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QUOTE(autodriver @ May 10 2023, 09:39 AM)
The majority mindset is only seeing problem and enlarge it instead of taking it as an opportunity. In Malaysia still many landed house which are extremely suitable to install solar panel. Some will say Malaysia although got hot days but also many raining days. There are getting more and more residents in European and US are installing solar panel and these countries are 4 seasons which has few sunny days like Malaysia. So if these 4 season countries getting more solar panel why not Malaysia. Installing solar panel in Malaysia can apply subsidy from TNB. Basically we only need to pay low electricity bill for household plus charging for EV car.

No doubt many people wanted a range of 600km per charge but in reality how many of us really go pump petrol after travel of 500km. I strongly believe less than 10% people really need travel 500km in short time (1 or 2 days driving range). If in city or town drive 1 day travel most likely 100km or below and 1 full charge will at least last 3 days (min 60kwh battery size). If battery drop half after 2 days just charge it at night. Example like Telsa charge cycley is 1500 times. Even if we charge every 2 days the battery expect to last for 8 years. How many of us really charge every 2 days once? We are most likely need charge after 3 or 4 days usage for daily town drive.
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the money power is different in Europe/US vs here. the solar panel parts and accessories are same prices i believe, so for them, they will find it affordable to purchase the solar. here it just too d expansive.
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ May 10 2023, 09:43 AM)
the money power is different in Europe/US vs here. the solar panel parts and accessories are same prices i believe, so for them, they will find it affordable to purchase the solar. here it just too d expansive.
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https://www.imoney.my/articles/solar-panels-cost

Costs ranging from between RM16,000 to RM23,000 for a basic system of 3kW.

The average salary in Malaysia is RM79,000 , so it will be 20% to 29% of an average Malaysian annual pay

https://worldsalaries.com/average-salary-in-malaysia/

Average annual pay for an American in the United States is $58,563 a year.

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Ameri....16%20an%20hour.

Average cost of solar panels USD 16,000 in USA

https://www.forbes.com/home-improvement/sol...f-solar-panels/

28% of theirs

Lebih kurang sama je , bukan?

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QUOTE(autodriver @ May 10 2023, 09:39 AM)
The majority mindset is only seeing problem and enlarge it instead of taking it as an opportunity. In Malaysia still many landed house which are extremely suitable to install solar panel. Some will say Malaysia although got hot days but also many raining days. There are getting more and more residents in European and US are installing solar panel and these countries are 4 seasons which has few sunny days like Malaysia. So if these 4 season countries getting more solar panel why not Malaysia. Installing solar panel in Malaysia can apply subsidy from TNB. Basically we only need to pay low electricity bill for household plus charging for EV car.

No doubt many people wanted a range of 600km per charge but in reality how many of us really go pump petrol after travel of 500km. I strongly believe less than 10% people really need travel 500km in short time (1 or 2 days driving range). If in city or town drive 1 day travel most likely 100km or below and 1 full charge will at least last 3 days (min 60kwh battery size). If battery drop half after 2 days just charge it at night. Example like Telsa charge cycley is 1500 times. Even if we charge every 2 days the battery expect to last for 8 years. How many of us really charge every 2 days once? We are most likely need charge after 3 or 4 days usage for daily town drive.
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The urban people do urban talk and talk from their frame of mind, many urban dwellers stayed in high rises, so change is the much harder for High rises dwellers.

Worst if their residence is still by JMB and not management corporation.

But you are right.

70% of residential properties are landed, we are taking about 70% of 5.8 millions residential properties

A whopping 4 millions !

Numbers from 2020 article :

https://www.propertyguru.com.my/property-gu...-malaysia-38675

As for the charging habits and range requirements, you know it , I know it, buy still many illogically deny it!

They must be coming from hurtful and hateful places it the only way I can explain it.

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...https://themalaysianreserve.com/2022/11/29/investment-into-evs-likely-to-surge-in-coming-years/

So said the professors



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the discussion kinda going to weird way haha.. Either way if i can afford 1, i will buy 1 in a heartbeat. muahaha
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the discussion kinda going to weird way haha.. Either way if i can afford 1, i will buy 1 in a heartbeat. muahaha
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Good way to sum it up
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Bubbles burst spreading to large China EV makers. Caution on China EV brands, do your own research on the company financial health.

WM Motor (Weltmiester 威马) once a top EV seller for 3 consecutive years, been facing financial issue since last year. Closed lots of dealerships, or ghosted dealerships left many owners without service and spare part support. Customers pending car delivery are not allowed to cancel their order. Motor is now seeking opportunities to restart production.
https://www.caixinglobal.com/2023-03-10/wm-...-102006605.html

Levdeo (Letin 雷丁) files for bankruptcy.
https://www.chinapev.com/ev-2/levdeo/chinas...r-making-scams/

WM Motor owner protest outside Hainan Island closed down dealership.


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post May 13 2023, 08:26 AM

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https://soyacincau.com/2023/05/12/ikea-mala...argers-by-2025/

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A worried report from Allianz Trade Europe.

https://www.allianz-trade.com/en_global/new...c-vehicles.html

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Full report can be downloaded for your reading pleasure

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i'm anxiously waiting for Tesla Sdn Bhd to start operating and o see pricing for model Y. if stars align, that's the car i would get for mself and x3 for wifey and if pricing not cun then will wait for latest x5 for me and get ix3 or xc40 recharge for wifey. for long distance family travel i already have big fridge (lepad)
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Does anyone know the cost of the replacement battery for Neta V after eight-year, 180,000-km warranty?
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post May 17 2023, 09:07 AM

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